Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 only don't identify yourself with anything... and not with the idea of nothing as well... ....iietsa Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > ...iietsa > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > ...iietsa 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are no 'things'. there is no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing in the mind which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of any substance as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does not exist, and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we have:why ( a thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which does not exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a place that does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure(a judgement of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion[duality]...openess( a duality comparison with non-openness or closedness)...don't take yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) asking who(same same)......... sort of like the following.. without interuption..: .......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay(/go pure/inpure openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not exist to be a thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not exist.... ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting thing asking that entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a ground base fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a somewhat in a something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at all, and is not located anywhere. ;-) ..........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > ...iietsa > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are no 'things'. there is > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing in the mind > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of any substance > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does not exist, > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we have:why ( a > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which does not > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a place that > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure(a judgement > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion[duality]...openess( a > duality comparison with non-openness or closedness)...don't take > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) asking who (same > same)......... sort of like the following.. without interuption..: > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay(/go pure/inpure > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not exist to be a > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not exist.... > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting thing asking that > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a ground base > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a somewhat in a > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at all, and is not > located anywhere. > > ;-) > > ..........bob > it does not matter how good you are with words... you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 centuries... and still you can take yourself for what you are not... ....words are just like chewing gum...the more they are chewed the less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... ....meaning... as long as you give reality to words...you are their slave... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > ...iietsa > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are no 'things'. there > is > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing in the > mind > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of any > substance > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does not > exist, > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we have:why ( > a > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which does not > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a place > that > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure(a > judgement > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion[duality]...openess( > a > > duality comparison with non-openness or closedness)...don't take > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) asking who > (same > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without interuption..: > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay(/go > pure/inpure > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not exist to be > a > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not exist.... > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting thing asking > that > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a ground base > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a somewhat in > a > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at all, and > is not > > located anywhere. > > > > ;-) > > > > ..........bob > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 centuries... > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are chewed the > less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > ...meaning... > as long as you give reality to words...you are their slave... > ...iietsa and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, and/or what real you/who is saying all this with such great authority. one's ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or mean, can just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " (words,ideas) do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words here iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, thoughts and words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything whatsoever. I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and at the same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being-time Mystery we call life and love. ..........bob (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is to talk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are no 'things'. > there > > is > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing in the > > mind > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of any > > substance > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does not > > exist, > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we have:why > ( > > a > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which does > not > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a place > > that > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure(a > > judgement > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion [duality]...openess( > > a > > > duality comparison with non-openness or closedness)...don't take > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) asking who > > (same > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without interuption..: > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay(/go > > pure/inpure > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not exist to be > > a > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not exist.... > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting thing asking > > that > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a ground base > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a somewhat > in > > a > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at all, and > > is not > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 centuries... > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are chewed the > > less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > ...meaning... > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their slave... > > ...iietsa > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, and/or what > real you/who is saying all this with such great authority. one's > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or mean, can > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " (words,ideas) > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words here > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, thoughts and > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything whatsoever. > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and at the > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being-time Mystery > we call life and love. > > ..........bob > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is to talk) > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... I never walk there... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are no 'things'. > > there > > > is > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing in > the > > > mind > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of any > > > substance > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does not > > > exist, > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we > have:why > > ( > > > a > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which does > > not > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a > place > > > that > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure(a > > > judgement > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > [duality]...openess( > > > a > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or closedness)...don't > take > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) asking who > > > (same > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > interuption..: > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay(/go > > > pure/inpure > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not exist to > be > > > a > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not > exist.... > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting thing > asking > > > that > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a ground > base > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a > somewhat > > in > > > a > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at all, > and > > > is not > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 centuries... > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are chewed > the > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > ...meaning... > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their slave... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, and/or > what > > real you/who is saying all this with such great authority. one's > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or mean, > can > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > (words,ideas) > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words here > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, thoughts > and > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > whatsoever. > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and at the > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being-time > Mystery > > we call life and love. > > > > ..........bob > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is to talk) > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > I never walk there... > ...iietsa you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for the cars and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and can be pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I was a young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of those things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an enlightening experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know there's no such place. .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are no 'things'. > > > there > > > > is > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing in > > the > > > > mind > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of any > > > > substance > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does not > > > > exist, > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we > > have:why > > > ( > > > > a > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which > does > > > not > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a > > place > > > > that > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure (a > > > > judgement > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > [duality]...openess( > > > > a > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or closedness)...don't > > take > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) asking who > > > > (same > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay(/go > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not exist > to > > be > > > > a > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting thing > > asking > > > > that > > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a ground > > base > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a > > somewhat > > > in > > > > a > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at all, > > and > > > > is not > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 > centuries... > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are chewed > > the > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > > ...meaning... > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their slave... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, and/or > > what > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great authority. one's > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or mean, > > can > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > (words,ideas) > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words here > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, thoughts > > and > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > > whatsoever. > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and at the > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being-time > > Mystery > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > ..........bob > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is to talk) > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > I never walk there... > > ...iietsa > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for the cars > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and can be > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I was a > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of those > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an enlightening > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know there's > no such place. > > .........bob > when you were a young boy you say... so thats where the accident happened...hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > no 'things'. > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing > in > > > the > > > > > mind > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of > any > > > > > substance > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does > not > > > > > exist, > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we > > > have:why > > > > ( > > > > > a > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which > > does > > > > not > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a > > > place > > > > > that > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure > (a > > > > > judgement > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > a > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > closedness)...don't > > > take > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) asking > who > > > > > (same > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay (/go > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not > exist > > to > > > be > > > > > a > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting thing > > > asking > > > > > that > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a > ground > > > base > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a > > > somewhat > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at > all, > > > and > > > > > is not > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 > > centuries... > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are > chewed > > > the > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their slave... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, and/or > > > what > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great authority. > one's > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or > mean, > > > can > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > (words,ideas) > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words here > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, > thoughts > > > and > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > > > whatsoever. > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and at > the > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being-time > > > Mystery > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is to > talk) > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > I never walk there... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for the > cars > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and can > be > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I was a > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of those > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > enlightening > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know > there's > > no such place. > > > > .........bob > > > when you were a young boy you say... > so thats where the accident happened...hehe ;-)) remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there are no such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a tear has to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the wonderful game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably looking for some excitement and adventure to have for future conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I wasn't really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both ways before I crossed the road. ...........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > > no 'things'. > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, existing > > in > > > > the > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is of > > any > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and does > > not > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so we > > > > have:why > > > > > ( > > > > > > a > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing which > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace in a > > > > place > > > > > > that > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... pure > > (a > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > a > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > closedness)...don't > > > > take > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) > asking > > who > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay > (/go > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not > > exist > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > a > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does not > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting > thing > > > > asking > > > > > > that > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a > > ground > > > > base > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a > > > > somewhat > > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing at > > all, > > > > and > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 > > > centuries... > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are > > chewed > > > > the > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their > slave... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, > and/or > > > > what > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great authority. > > one's > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or > > mean, > > > > can > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words here > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, > > thoughts > > > > and > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and at > > the > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being- time > > > > Mystery > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is to > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > I never walk there... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for the > > cars > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and can > > be > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I was a > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of those > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > enlightening > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know > > there's > > > no such place. > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > ;-)) > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there are no > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a tear has > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the wonderful > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably looking > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I wasn't > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both ways > before I crossed the road. > > > ...........bob > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure openness... > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, > existing > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is > of > > > any > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and > does > > > not > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so > we > > > > > have:why > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing > which > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace > in a > > > > > place > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... > pure > > > (a > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > take > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) > > asking > > > who > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay > > (/go > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not > > > exist > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does > not > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting > > thing > > > > > asking > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a > > > ground > > > > > base > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of a > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing > at > > > all, > > > > > and > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are > > > chewed > > > > > the > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are tasteless... > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their > > slave... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, > > and/or > > > > > what > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great authority. > > > one's > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or > > > mean, > > > > > can > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words > here > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, > > > thoughts > > > > > and > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and > at > > > the > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being- > time > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is > to > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for > the > > > cars > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and > can > > > be > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I > was a > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of > those > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > enlightening > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know > > > there's > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there are no > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a tear > has > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the wonderful > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably looking > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I wasn't > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both ways > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > ...........bob > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > ...iietsa who's to say? .......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > openness... > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, > > existing > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is > > of > > > > any > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so > > we > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing > > which > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace > > in a > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... > > pure > > > > (a > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody(ditto) > > > asking > > > > who > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay > > > (/go > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not > > > > exist > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does > > not > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting > > > thing > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a > > > > ground > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of > a > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing > > at > > > > all, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are > > > > chewed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > tasteless... > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their > > > slave... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, > > > and/or > > > > > > what > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > authority. > > > > one's > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or > > > > mean, > > > > > > can > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words > > here > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, > > > > thoughts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and > > at > > > > the > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being- > > time > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is > > to > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for > > the > > > > cars > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and > > can > > > > be > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I > > was a > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of > > those > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > > enlightening > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know > > > > there's > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there are no > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a tear > > has > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the wonderful > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably > looking > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I wasn't > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both ways > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > ...iietsa > > > who's to say? > > .......bob > you think you're high, not ravin' but you're missin' so much, can't even begin from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over all your ramblin' you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy free, light n' lightnin' hearted. but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you think he's just standin' in one place. when you realize it's not a race only then will you get - - what you need is - - grace your actual pal (as proven here) ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > openness... > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, > > existing > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is > > of > > > > any > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so > > we > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing > > which > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace > > in a > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... > > pure > > > > (a > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody (ditto) > > > asking > > > > who > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay > > > (/go > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not > > > > exist > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does > > not > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting > > > thing > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a > > > > ground > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of > a > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing > > at > > > > all, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are > > > > chewed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > tasteless... > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their > > > slave... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, > > > and/or > > > > > > what > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > authority. > > > > one's > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or > > > > mean, > > > > > > can > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words > > here > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, > > > > thoughts > > > > > > and > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and > > at > > > > the > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being- > > time > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is > > to > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for > > the > > > > cars > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and > > can > > > > be > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I > > was a > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of > > those > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > > enlightening > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know > > > > there's > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there are no > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a tear > > has > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the wonderful > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably > looking > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I wasn't > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both ways > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > ...iietsa > > > who's to say? > > .......bob maby: the " I " that was probably looking for some excitement and adventure to have for future conversations... or: the " I " that crossed the road... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking who... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, > > > existing > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a who is > > > of > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing and > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. so > > > we > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a thing > > > which > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go anyplace > > > in a > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not exist)... > > > pure > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody (ditto) > > > > asking > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. without > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that isn't....stay > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does not > > > > > exist > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that does > > > not > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last nonexisting > > > > thing > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is asking/answering a > > > > > ground > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion of > > a > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a thing > > > at > > > > > all, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last 2000 > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are not... > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they are > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew them... > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are their > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or from, > > > > and/or > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > > authority. > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what either/or > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of words > > > here > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your ideas, > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or anything > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, and > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this being- > > > time > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all there is > > > to > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out for > > > the > > > > > cars > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum and > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when I > > > was a > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one of > > > those > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I know > > > > > there's > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there are no > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a tear > > > has > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the wonderful > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably > > looking > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I wasn't > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both ways > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > .......bob > > > > you think you're high, not ravin' > > but you're missin' so much, can't even begin > > from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over all your ramblin' > > you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy free, light n' > lightnin' hearted. > > but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you think he's > just standin' in one place. > > when you realize > > it's not a race > > only then > > will you get - - > > what you need > > is - - > > > grace > > > your actual pal > > (as proven here) > > > ~*~ > why all this ranting and raving.....I am Space, not in a space race. Containing all 'things' yet contained by none, and by nothing I'm known as All and Alone. There's the phone......gotta run! :-) ......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, > > > > existing > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a > who is > > > > of > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing > and > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. > so > > > > we > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a > thing > > > > which > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go > anyplace > > > > in a > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not > exist)... > > > > pure > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody > (ditto) > > > > > asking > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. > without > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that > isn't....stay > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does > not > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last > nonexisting > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > asking/answering a > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion > of > > > a > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a > thing > > > > at > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last > 2000 > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are > not... > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they > are > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew > them... > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are > their > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or > from, > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > > > authority. > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what > either/or > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of > words > > > > here > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your > ideas, > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or > anything > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, > and > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this > being- > > > > time > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all > there is > > > > to > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out > for > > > > the > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum > and > > > > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when > I > > > > was a > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one > of > > > > those > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I > know > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there > are no > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a > tear > > > > has > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the > wonderful > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably > > > looking > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I > wasn't > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both > ways > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > you think you're high, not ravin' > > > > but you're missin' so much, can't even begin > > > > from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over all your > ramblin' > > > > you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy free, light n' > > lightnin' hearted. > > > > but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you think he's > > just standin' in one place. > > > > when you realize > > > > it's not a race > > > > only then > > > > will you get - - > > > > what you need > > > > is - - > > > > > > grace > > > > > > your actual pal > > > > (as proven here) > > > > > > ~*~ > > > why all this ranting and raving.....I am Space, not in a space race. > Containing all 'things' yet contained by none, and by nothing I'm > known as All and Alone. There's the phone......gotta run! > > :-) > > ......bob " the cars and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum " ....to whom are they far more dangerous bob... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu > Dong > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with > anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as > well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking > > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there > are > > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a > concept, > > > > > existing > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a > > who is > > > > > of > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not > thing > > and > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not > exist. > > so > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a > > thing > > > > > which > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go > > anyplace > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not > > exist)... > > > > > pure > > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody > > (ditto) > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. > > without > > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that > > isn't....stay > > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that > does > > not > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity > that > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last > > nonexisting > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > > asking/answering a > > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just > illusion > > of > > > > a > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a > > thing > > > > > at > > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last > > 2000 > > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more > they > > are > > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew > > them... > > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are > > their > > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or > > from, > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > > > > authority. > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what > > either/or > > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as > those " things " > > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of > > words > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your > > ideas, > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or > > anything > > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and > all, > > and > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this > > being- > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all > > there is > > > > > to > > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch > out > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing > gum > > and > > > > > can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! > when > > I > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with > one > > of > > > > > those > > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though > I > > know > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there > > are no > > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many > a > > tear > > > > > has > > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the > > wonderful > > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably > > > > looking > > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I > > wasn't > > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking > both > > ways > > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > you think you're high, not ravin' > > > > > > but you're missin' so much, can't even begin > > > > > > from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over all > your > > ramblin' > > > > > > you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy free, > light n' > > > lightnin' hearted. > > > > > > but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you think > he's > > > just standin' in one place. > > > > > > when you realize > > > > > > it's not a race > > > > > > only then > > > > > > will you get - - > > > > > > what you need > > > > > > is - - > > > > > > > > > grace > > > > > > > > > your actual pal > > > > > > (as proven here) > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > why all this ranting and raving.....I am Space, not in a space > race. > > Containing all 'things' yet contained by none, and by nothing I'm > > known as All and Alone. There's the phone......gotta run! > > > > :-) > > > > ......bob > > " the cars and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum " > ...to whom are they far more dangerous bob... who knows? ......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there are > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a concept, > > > > existing > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a > who > > is > > > > of > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not thing > > and > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not exist. > > so > > > > we > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a > > thing > > > > which > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go > > anyplace > > > > in a > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not > > exist)... > > > > pure > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody > > (ditto) > > > > > asking > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. > > without > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that > > isn't....stay > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that does > > not > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity that > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last > > nonexisting > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > asking/answering > > a > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just illusion > > of > > > a > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a > > thing > > > > at > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last > 2000 > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are > > not... > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more they > > are > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew > > them... > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are > their > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or > > from, > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > > > authority. > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what > > either/or > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as those " things " > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of > > words > > > > here > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your > ideas, > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or > > anything > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and all, > > and > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this > > being- > > > > time > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all > there > > is > > > > to > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch out > > for > > > > the > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum > > and > > > > can > > > > > > be > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! when > > I > > > > was a > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with one > of > > > > those > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though I > > know > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there > are > > no > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many a > > tear > > > > has > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the > wonderful > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably > > > looking > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I > > wasn't > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking both > > ways > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > .......bob > > maby: > > the " I " that was probably looking for some excitement and > > adventure to have for future conversations... > > or: > > the " I " that crossed the road... > > ...iietsa > > > the road to perdition or the road to heaven? who can say, who > knows.....but as the who who is....I am 'On the Road' and never > really crossed one at all.......It's a long and winding road, but the > Path is straight and narrow...........an eye in a needle one must go > through.... travelling straight ahead beyond the Crossroads, where > one meets the Devil and carries the Cross. > > ......bob > road to this...road to that... mind to mind...duality... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu > > Dong > > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with > > anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as > > well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > > > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking > > > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there > > are > > > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a > > concept, > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor > a > > > who is > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not > > thing > > > and > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not > > exist. > > > so > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a > > > thing > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go > > > anyplace > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not > > > exist)... > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody > > > (ditto) > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. > > > without > > > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that > > > isn't....stay > > > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that > > does > > > not > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity > > that > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last > > > nonexisting > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > > > asking/answering a > > > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just > > illusion > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not > a > > > thing > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with > words... > > > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you > are > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more > > they > > > are > > > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > > > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew > > > them... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are > > > their > > > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or > > > from, > > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > > > > > authority. > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what > > > either/or > > > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as > > those " things " > > > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master > of > > > words > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your > > > ideas, > > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and > > all, > > > and > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in > this > > > being- > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all > > > there is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch > > out > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing > > gum > > > and > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! > > when > > > I > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with > > one > > > of > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't > an > > > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though > > I > > > know > > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as > nonduality....there > > > are no > > > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many > > a > > > tear > > > > > > has > > > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the > > > wonderful > > > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was > probably > > > > > looking > > > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I > > > wasn't > > > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking > > both > > > ways > > > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > you think you're high, not ravin' > > > > > > > > but you're missin' so much, can't even begin > > > > > > > > from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over all > > your > > > ramblin' > > > > > > > > you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy free, > > light n' > > > > lightnin' hearted. > > > > > > > > but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you think > > he's > > > > just standin' in one place. > > > > > > > > when you realize > > > > > > > > it's not a race > > > > > > > > only then > > > > > > > > will you get - - > > > > > > > > what you need > > > > > > > > is - - > > > > > > > > > > > > grace > > > > > > > > > > > > your actual pal > > > > > > > > (as proven here) > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > why all this ranting and raving.....I am Space, not in a space > > race. > > > Containing all 'things' yet contained by none, and by nothing I'm > > > known as All and Alone. There's the phone......gotta run! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > ......bob > > > > " the cars and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing gum " > > ...to whom are they far more dangerous bob... > > > > who knows? > > ......bob > " who knows? " your words are wiser than you are... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu > Dong > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with > anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as > well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay pure > > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody asking > > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it was....there > are > > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a > concept, > > > > > existing > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody nor a > > who > > > is > > > > > of > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not > thing > > > and > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not > exist. > > > so > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind (a > > > thing > > > > > which > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or go > > > anyplace > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not > > > exist)... > > > > > pure > > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is illusion > > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be sombody > > > (ditto) > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the following.. > > > without > > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that > > > isn't....stay > > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing that > does > > > not > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity > that > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last > > > nonexisting > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > > asking/answering > > > a > > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just > illusion > > > of > > > > a > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is not a > > > thing > > > > > at > > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with words... > > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the last > > 2000 > > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you are > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the more > they > > > are > > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to chew > > > them... > > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you are > > their > > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about or > > > from, > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such great > > > > authority. > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or what > > > either/or > > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as > those " things " > > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the master of > > > words > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on your > > ideas, > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you or > > > anything > > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... and > all, > > > and > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in this > > > being- > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's all > > there > > > is > > > > > to > > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. watch > out > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing > gum > > > and > > > > > can > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or challenge! > when > > > I > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact with > one > > of > > > > > those > > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it wasn't an > > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even though > I > > > know > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as nonduality....there > > are > > > no > > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and many > a > > > tear > > > > > has > > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the > > wonderful > > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was probably > > > > looking > > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so I > > > wasn't > > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking > both > > > ways > > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > maby: > > > the " I " that was probably looking for some excitement and > > > adventure to have for future conversations... > > > or: > > > the " I " that crossed the road... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > the road to perdition or the road to heaven? who can say, who > > knows.....but as the who who is....I am 'On the Road' and never > > really crossed one at all.......It's a long and winding road, but > the > > Path is straight and narrow...........an eye in a needle one must > go > > through.... travelling straight ahead beyond the Crossroads, where > > one meets the Devil and carries the Cross. > > > > ......bob > > > road to this...road to that... > mind to mind...duality... > ...iietsa words......words.......all is nondual......roads, minds, this and that, are but the ieetsas and bobs misting and mingling and doing nothing at all. ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > Lulu > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with > > > anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as > > > well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay > pure > > > > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody > asking > > > > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it > was....there > > > are > > > > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a > > > concept, > > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody > nor > > a > > > > who is > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a not > > > thing > > > > and > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does not > > > exist. > > > > so > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the mind > (a > > > > thing > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or > go > > > > anyplace > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does not > > > > exist)... > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be > sombody > > > > (ditto) > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the > following.. > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that > > > > isn't....stay > > > > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing > that > > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an entity > > > that > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last > > > > nonexisting > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > > > > asking/answering a > > > > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just > > > illusion > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is > not > > a > > > > thing > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with > > words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the > last > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what you > > are > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the > more > > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words are > > > > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to > chew > > > > them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you > are > > > > their > > > > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking about > or > > > > from, > > > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such > great > > > > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or > what > > > > either/or > > > > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as > > > those " things " > > > > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the > master > > of > > > > words > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on > your > > > > ideas, > > > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you > or > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... > and > > > all, > > > > and > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in > > this > > > > being- > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's > all > > > > there is > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. > watch > > > out > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than > chewing > > > gum > > > > and > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or > challenge! > > > when > > > > I > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact > with > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it > wasn't > > an > > > > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even > though > > > I > > > > know > > > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as > > nonduality....there > > > > are no > > > > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and > many > > > a > > > > tear > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was > > probably > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, so > I > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not looking > > > both > > > > ways > > > > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you think you're high, not ravin' > > > > > > > > > > but you're missin' so much, can't even begin > > > > > > > > > > from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over all > > > your > > > > ramblin' > > > > > > > > > > you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy free, > > > light n' > > > > > lightnin' hearted. > > > > > > > > > > but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you > think > > > he's > > > > > just standin' in one place. > > > > > > > > > > when you realize > > > > > > > > > > it's not a race > > > > > > > > > > only then > > > > > > > > > > will you get - - > > > > > > > > > > what you need > > > > > > > > > > is - - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your actual pal > > > > > > > > > > (as proven here) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > why all this ranting and raving.....I am Space, not in a space > > > race. > > > > Containing all 'things' yet contained by none, and by nothing > I'm > > > > known as All and Alone. There's the phone......gotta run! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > " the cars and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing > gum " > > > ...to whom are they far more dangerous bob... > > > > > > > > who knows? > > > > ......bob > > > " who knows? " > your words are wiser than you are... > ...iietsa and so 'what' is 'wise'? and further, what is 'wisdom'?.....you seem to know. I'd be interested in your ideation on same, as I appear to be lesser in both than my 'words', and by implication, lesser than you, for you have made this observation and must be as 'wise' and posessed of this 'wisdom' as the words you have judged...much more so than the imagined person to whom you compare both those words and your observations. thanking you in advance for your words of wisdom, I stand and wait. ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > Lulu > > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with > > > > anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing as > > > > well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay > > pure > > > > > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody > > asking > > > > > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it > > was....there > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a > > > > concept, > > > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a somebody > > nor > > > a > > > > > who is > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a > not > > > > thing > > > > > and > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does > not > > > > exist. > > > > > so > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the > mind > > (a > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay or > > go > > > > > anyplace > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does > not > > > > > exist)... > > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is > > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness or > > > > > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be > > sombody > > > > > (ditto) > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the > > following.. > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing that > > > > > isn't....stay > > > > > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a thing > > that > > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an > entity > > > > that > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that last > > > > > nonexisting > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > > > > > asking/answering a > > > > > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to just > > > > illusion > > > > > of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that is > > not > > > a > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with > > > words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of the > > last > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what > you > > > are > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the > > more > > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words > are > > > > > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have to > > chew > > > > > them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to words...you > > are > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking > about > > or > > > > > from, > > > > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such > > great > > > > > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or > > what > > > > > either/or > > > > > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as > > > > those " things " > > > > > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the > > master > > > of > > > > > words > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on > > your > > > > > ideas, > > > > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or you > > or > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question everything... > > and > > > > all, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy in > > > this > > > > > being- > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because that's > > all > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the sidewalk... > > > > > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. > > watch > > > > out > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than > > chewing > > > > gum > > > > > and > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or > > challenge! > > > > when > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact > > with > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it > > wasn't > > > an > > > > > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even > > though > > > > I > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as > > > nonduality....there > > > > > are no > > > > > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... and > > many > > > > a > > > > > tear > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in the > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was > > > probably > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for future > > > > > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now too, > so > > I > > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not > looking > > > > both > > > > > ways > > > > > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the past... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you think you're high, not ravin' > > > > > > > > > > > > but you're missin' so much, can't even begin > > > > > > > > > > > > from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over > all > > > > your > > > > > ramblin' > > > > > > > > > > > > you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy free, > > > > light n' > > > > > > lightnin' hearted. > > > > > > > > > > > > but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you > > think > > > > he's > > > > > > just standin' in one place. > > > > > > > > > > > > when you realize > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not a race > > > > > > > > > > > > only then > > > > > > > > > > > > will you get - - > > > > > > > > > > > > what you need > > > > > > > > > > > > is - - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your actual pal > > > > > > > > > > > > (as proven here) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > why all this ranting and raving.....I am Space, not in a > space > > > > race. > > > > > Containing all 'things' yet contained by none, and by nothing > > I'm > > > > > known as All and Alone. There's the phone......gotta run! > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > " the cars and trucks, they are far more dangerous than chewing > > gum " > > > > ...to whom are they far more dangerous bob... > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows? > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > " who knows? " > > your words are wiser than you are... > > ...iietsa > > > and so 'what' is 'wise'? and further, what is 'wisdom'?.....you seem > to know. I'd be interested in your ideation on same, as I appear to > be lesser in both than my 'words', and by implication, lesser than > you, for you have made this observation and must be as 'wise' and > posessed of this 'wisdom' as the words you have judged...much more so > than the imagined person to whom you compare both those words and > your observations. thanking you in advance for your words of wisdom, > I stand and wait. > > ........bob > this mirror you saw...yes " lesser " you say...yes now maby its not so easy to hide behind " who knows? " " the cars and trucks, they are far " more " dangerous than chewing gum " ...to whom are they far " more " dangerous bob... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , > > > Lulu > > > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only don't identify yourself with > > > > > anything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not with the idea of nothing > as > > > > > well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi iietsa, can you explain why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " why " is a thing of the mind....stay > > > pure > > > > > > > > openness... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont take yourself to be a somebody > > > asking > > > > > > who... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'why' is not a thing and if it > > > was....there > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > no 'things'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no such thing as 'mind'. openness is a > > > > > concept, > > > > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which does not exist. niether a > somebody > > > nor > > > > a > > > > > > who is > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > substance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as they too are of the mind which is a > > not > > > > > thing > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are from or in the mind which does > > not > > > > > exist. > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > have:why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing which does not exist) is of the > > mind > > > (a > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist).....stay(assuming one can stay > or > > > go > > > > > > anyplace > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not exist and as someone who does > > not > > > > > > exist)... > > > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of duality i.e. pure/impure which is > > > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > [duality]...openess( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality comparison with non-openness > or > > > > > > > > > > > closedness)...don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself(which does not exist) to be > > > sombody > > > > > > (ditto) > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same)......... sort of like the > > > following.. > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > interuption..: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......a thing that isn't is a thing > that > > > > > > isn't....stay > > > > > > > > > > (/go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure/inpure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > openess/closedness...don't take a > thing > > > that > > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing that does not exist asking an > > entity > > > > > that > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok what's being said or what's that > last > > > > > > nonexisting > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entity that is not either? and is > > > > > > asking/answering a > > > > > > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > > > > > > base > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental nondualism? or is it to > just > > > > > illusion > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something that it posesses(mind) that > is > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > located anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it does not matter how good you are with > > > > words... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can be the greatest word-master of > the > > > last > > > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and still you can take yourself for what > > you > > > > are > > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...words are just like chewing gum...the > > > more > > > > > they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > chewed > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less they taste...and for me...all words > > are > > > > > > > > tasteless... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you know what...I did not even have > to > > > chew > > > > > > them... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...meaning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long as you give reality to > words...you > > > are > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > slave... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and exactly what reality are you talking > > about > > > or > > > > > > from, > > > > > > > > > > and/or > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real you/who is saying all this with such > > > great > > > > > > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideas on words, and thoughts on reality or > > > what > > > > > > either/or > > > > > > > > > > > mean, > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just as easily and quickly enslave, as > > > > > those " things " > > > > > > > > > > > > > (words,ideas) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do of and by themselves no? I am not the > > > master > > > > of > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa......you are...and I commend you on > > > your > > > > > > ideas, > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words....but I am not enslaved by them or > you > > > or > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe nothing and question > everything... > > > and > > > > > all, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same, time I find celebration in great joy > in > > > > this > > > > > > being- > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we call life and love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (just conversing for the fun, because > that's > > > all > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > talk) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words are like chewing gums on the > sidewalk... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never walk there... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you walk in the middle of the street?????????. > > > watch > > > > > out > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > cars > > > > > > > > > > > > and trucks, they are far more dangerous than > > > chewing > > > > > gum > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > pretty damn sticky things to mess with or > > > challenge! > > > > > when > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > young boy, my nonexistent self came in contact > > > with > > > > > one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > things that are not for real....strangely it > > > wasn't > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening > > > > > > > > > > > > experience, but it did hurt like hell.....even > > > though > > > > > I > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > there's > > > > > > > > > > > > no such place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you were a young boy you say... > > > > > > > > > > > so thats where the accident happened...hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember though, in duality as well as > > > > nonduality....there > > > > > > are no > > > > > > > > > > such things as accidents.it's all in the game... > and > > > many > > > > > a > > > > > > tear > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > to fall, but it's all.... in the game.....all in > the > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > game.....that we know, as love/life.....and I was > > > > probably > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > for some excitement and adventure to have for > future > > > > > > > > > > conversations.......the past is right here now > too, > > so > > > I > > > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > > > > really looking ahead....and most obviously not > > looking > > > > > both > > > > > > ways > > > > > > > > > > before I crossed the road. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you saying that you had a life...back in the > past... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you think you're high, not ravin' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but you're missin' so much, can't even begin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from where i'm standin', iietsa's got it hands down over > > all > > > > > your > > > > > > ramblin' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you think you're fast, unbounded and aboundin', fancy > free, > > > > > light n' > > > > > > > lightnin' hearted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but iietsa's running so many circles round you, that you > > > think > > > > > he's > > > > > > > just standin' in one place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you realize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not a race > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will you get - - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what you need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is - - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your actual pal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (as proven here) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > why all this ranting and raving.....I am Space, not in a > > space > > > > > race. > > > > > > Containing all 'things' yet contained by none, and by > nothing > > > I'm > > > > > > known as All and Alone. There's the phone......gotta run! > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > " the cars and trucks, they are far more dangerous than > chewing > > > gum " > > > > > ...to whom are they far more dangerous bob... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows? > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > " who knows? " > > > your words are wiser than you are... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > and so 'what' is 'wise'? and further, what is 'wisdom'?.....you > seem > > to know. I'd be interested in your ideation on same, as I appear > to > > be lesser in both than my 'words', and by implication, lesser than > > you, for you have made this observation and must be as 'wise' and > > posessed of this 'wisdom' as the words you have judged...much more > so > > than the imagined person to whom you compare both those words and > > your observations. thanking you in advance for your words of > wisdom, > > I stand and wait. > > > > ........bob > > > this mirror you saw...yes > " lesser " you say...yes > now maby its not so easy to hide behind " who knows? " > " the cars and trucks, they are far " more " dangerous than chewing > gum " > ...to whom are they far " more " dangerous bob... > > > > ...iietsa who knows? not the 'cars' nor the 'trucks' nor the 'who' exist....more or less. anyway this is a 'less' 'dangerous' way of 'Looking' at it.....if a 'way' is a thing that 'one' is on. " Look Away, Look Away, Look Away 'Look Away " : Dixie by Daniel Decatur Emmett of Mount Vernon, Ohio Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton, Old times there are not forgotten, (Alt Original: Cinnamon seed and sandy bottom,) Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land. In Dixie Land, where I was born in, early on one frosty mornin', Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land. I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie. Away, away, away down south in Dixie. Away, away, away down south in Dixie Optional Verses Ole Missus marry " Will the weaver " Willum was a gay deceiver Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land But when he put his arm around 'er, He smiled fierce as a forty pounder, Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaver But that did not seem to grieve 'er Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land Ole Missus acted the foolish part And died for a man that broke her heart Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land Now here's a health to the next ole Missus An' all the gals that want to kiss us; Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land But if you want to drive 'way sorrow Come and hear this song tomorrow Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land There's buckwheat cakes and Injun batter, Makes you fat or a little fatter Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land Then hoe it down and scratch your gravel, To Dixie's Land I'm bound to travel, Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land Love that tune.......now if I only knew what 'love' was. LOL ....bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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