And If A Child Dies (2006) & Oh My Crying Child (1972)

[Guest guest]

....and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

if you have seen your reflection

and who it was who killed my innocence,

 

I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

And with my last dying breath, I ask:

Who has loved me?

 

Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

 

Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

Burning in hell.

 

7/29/06

 

 

oh, my crying child,

cold and hungry for want of

love and peace and understanding

growing up

in my world lacking;

so the wisdom of my sunset

prayed you may rise

above

this world of

illusions and delusions

and last find

peace

within yourself

 

7/72

 

 

The child in us is the child of the world, until we know this there can be no

peace....

 

 

Anna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> if you have seen your reflection

> and who it was who killed my innocence,

>

> I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> Who has loved me?

>

> Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

>

> Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> Burning in hell.

>

> 7/29/06

>

>

> oh, my crying child,

> cold and hungry for want of

> love and peace and understanding

> growing up

> in my world lacking;

> so the wisdom of my sunset

> prayed you may rise

> above

> this world of

> illusions and delusions

> and last find

> peace

> within yourself

>

> 7/72

>

>

> The child in us is the child of the world, until we know this there

can be no peace....

>

>

> Anna

 

 

 

beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done regarding

Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts below.......all children are

starchilds and we all are stardust:

 

 

Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright glorious light. The

light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer can't see

what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something does

appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it. This is the

famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in focus. In the

next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of the

monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is showing us that

the Starchild has entered into and passing through the monolith. In

the very next scene - which is the last scene in the movie - the

Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the Earth.

 

The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the voyage to the

infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe far more vast

and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever conceived.

 

In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the lead shaman

for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and he now knows

the truth about existence. He realizes that life would be completely

meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the monolith, or

the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be transformed

without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a God - if you

will. This supposedly atheist film director has made the ultimate

religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of Hollywood's

wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and religion. Kubrick is

taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that in every way.

Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the history of

humanity.

 

 

One last interesting note to all of this. The great alchemist

Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of the

human species is going to takes place at some time near the end of

the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick picked the

date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates prescribed by

many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we to make

of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final

transformation of the human species?

 

Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

 

 

...........bob

 

 

 

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> >

> > ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> > bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> > please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> > if you have seen your reflection

> > and who it was who killed my innocence,

> >

> > I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> > But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> > And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> > Who has loved me?

> >

> > Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

> >

> > Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> > Burning in hell.

> >

> > 7/29/06

> >

> >

> > oh, my crying child,

> > cold and hungry for want of

> > love and peace and understanding

> > growing up

> > in my world lacking;

> > so the wisdom of my sunset

> > prayed you may rise

> > above

> > this world of

> > illusions and delusions

> > and last find

> > peace

> > within yourself

> >

> > 7/72

> >

> >

> > The child in us is the child of the world, until we know this there

> can be no peace....

> >

> >

> > Anna

>

>

>

> beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done regarding

> Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts below.......all children are

> starchilds and we all are stardust:

>

>

> Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright glorious light. The

> light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer can't see

> what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something does

> appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it. This is the

> famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in focus. In the

> next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of the

> monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is showing us that

> the Starchild has entered into and passing through the monolith. In

> the very next scene - which is the last scene in the movie - the

> Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the Earth.

>

> The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the voyage to the

> infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe far more vast

> and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever conceived.

>

> In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the lead shaman

> for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and he now knows

> the truth about existence. He realizes that life would be completely

> meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the monolith, or

> the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be transformed

> without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a God - if you

> will. This supposedly atheist film director has made the ultimate

> religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of Hollywood's

> wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and religion. Kubrick is

> taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that in every way.

> Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the history of

> humanity.

>

>

> One last interesting note to all of this. The great alchemist

> Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of the

> human species is going to takes place at some time near the end of

> the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick picked the

> date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates prescribed by

> many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we to make

> of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final

> transformation of the human species?

>

> Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

>

>

> ...........bob

 

 

all dream bubbles

 

and goof balls

 

all most of all

 

having a ball

 

set for a fall

 

 

hey you all

 

we're only as light

 

as we're all small

 

 

like bob takes no position

 

where then's the imposition?

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 " <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> > > bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> > > please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> > > if you have seen your reflection

> > > and who it was who killed my innocence,

> > >

> > > I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> > > But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> > > And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> > > Who has loved me?

> > >

> > > Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

> > >

> > > Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> > > Burning in hell.

> > >

> > > 7/29/06

> > >

> > >

> > > oh, my crying child,

> > > cold and hungry for want of

> > > love and peace and understanding

> > > growing up

> > > in my world lacking;

> > > so the wisdom of my sunset

> > > prayed you may rise

> > > above

> > > this world of

> > > illusions and delusions

> > > and last find

> > > peace

> > > within yourself

> > >

> > > 7/72

> > >

> > >

> > > The child in us is the child of the world, until we know this

there

> > can be no peace....

> > >

> > >

> > > Anna

> >

> >

> >

> > beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done regarding

> > Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts below.......all

children are

> > starchilds and we all are stardust:

> >

> >

> > Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright glorious

light. The

> > light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer can't

see

> > what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something does

> > appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it. This is

the

> > famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in focus. In

the

> > next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of the

> > monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is showing us

that

> > the Starchild has entered into and passing through the monolith.

In

> > the very next scene - which is the last scene in the movie - the

> > Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the Earth.

> >

> > The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the voyage to

the

> > infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe far more

vast

> > and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever conceived.

> >

> > In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the lead

shaman

> > for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and he now

knows

> > the truth about existence. He realizes that life would be

completely

> > meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the monolith,

or

> > the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be transformed

> > without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a God - if

you

> > will. This supposedly atheist film director has made the

ultimate

> > religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of Hollywood's

> > wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and religion. Kubrick

is

> > taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that in every

way.

> > Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the history

of

> > humanity.

> >

> >

> > One last interesting note to all of this. The great alchemist

> > Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of

the

> > human species is going to takes place at some time near the end

of

> > the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick picked

the

> > date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates

prescribed by

> > many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we to

make

> > of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final

> > transformation of the human species?

> >

> > Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

> >

> >

> > ...........bob

>

>

> all dream bubbles

>

> and goof balls

>

> all most of all

>

> having a ball

>

> set for a fall

>

>

> hey you all

>

> we're only as light

>

> as we're all small

>

>

> like bob takes no position

>

> where then's the imposition?

>

 

 

 

 

the supposition is the proposition that all life is created equal:

however, having traveled to the other side of the Light,

we are the wayshowers, the pinpoints of stars, (see, it's all full

of stars'. let no man touch the new planet... 2010)

 

eh???

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 " <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> > > > bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> > > > please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> > > > if you have seen your reflection

> > > > and who it was who killed my innocence,

> > > >

> > > > I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> > > > But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> > > > And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> > > > Who has loved me?

> > > >

> > > > Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

> > > >

> > > > Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> > > > Burning in hell.

> > > >

> > > > 7/29/06

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > oh, my crying child,

> > > > cold and hungry for want of

> > > > love and peace and understanding

> > > > growing up

> > > > in my world lacking;

> > > > so the wisdom of my sunset

> > > > prayed you may rise

> > > > above

> > > > this world of

> > > > illusions and delusions

> > > > and last find

> > > > peace

> > > > within yourself

> > > >

> > > > 7/72

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The child in us is the child of the world, until we know this

> there

> > > can be no peace....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Anna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done regarding

> > > Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts below.......all

> children are

> > > starchilds and we all are stardust:

> > >

> > >

> > > Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright glorious

> light. The

> > > light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer can't

> see

> > > what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something does

> > > appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it. This is

> the

> > > famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in focus. In

> the

> > > next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of the

> > > monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is showing us

> that

> > > the Starchild has entered into and passing through the monolith.

> In

> > > the very next scene - which is the last scene in the movie - the

> > > Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the Earth.

> > >

> > > The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the voyage to

> the

> > > infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe far more

> vast

> > > and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever conceived.

> > >

> > > In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the lead

> shaman

> > > for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and he now

> knows

> > > the truth about existence. He realizes that life would be

> completely

> > > meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the monolith,

> or

> > > the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be transformed

> > > without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a God - if

> you

> > > will. This supposedly atheist film director has made the

> ultimate

> > > religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of Hollywood's

> > > wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and religion. Kubrick

> is

> > > taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that in every

> way.

> > > Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the history

> of

> > > humanity.

> > >

> > >

> > > One last interesting note to all of this. The great alchemist

> > > Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of

> the

> > > human species is going to takes place at some time near the end

> of

> > > the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick picked

> the

> > > date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates

> prescribed by

> > > many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we to

> make

> > > of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final

> > > transformation of the human species?

> > >

> > > Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

> > >

> > >

> > > ...........bob

> >

> >

> > all dream bubbles

> >

> > and goof balls

> >

> > all most of all

> >

> > having a ball

> >

> > set for a fall

> >

> >

> > hey you all

> >

> > we're only as light

> >

> > as we're all small

> >

> >

> > like bob takes no position

> >

> > where then's the imposition?

> >

>

>

>

>

> the supposition is the proposition that all life is created equal:

> however, having traveled to the other side of the Light,

> we are the wayshowers, the pinpoints of stars, (see, it's all full

> of stars'. let no man touch the new planet... 2010)

>

> eh???

 

 

>

all predisposition is perdition

 

why carry the weight of past or future

 

when both are the essence of daily torture?

 

 

the warmth of your presence is your present

 

anything more or less breeds resentment

 

....

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 "

<kailashana@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> > > > > bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> > > > > please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> > > > > if you have seen your reflection

> > > > > and who it was who killed my innocence,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> > > > > But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> > > > > And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> > > > > Who has loved me?

> > > > >

> > > > > Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> > > > > Burning in hell.

> > > > >

> > > > > 7/29/06

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > oh, my crying child,

> > > > > cold and hungry for want of

> > > > > love and peace and understanding

> > > > > growing up

> > > > > in my world lacking;

> > > > > so the wisdom of my sunset

> > > > > prayed you may rise

> > > > > above

> > > > > this world of

> > > > > illusions and delusions

> > > > > and last find

> > > > > peace

> > > > > within yourself

> > > > >

> > > > > 7/72

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The child in us is the child of the world, until we know

this

> > there

> > > > can be no peace....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Anna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done

regarding

> > > > Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts below.......all

> > children are

> > > > starchilds and we all are stardust:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright glorious

> > light. The

> > > > light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer

can't

> > see

> > > > what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something

does

> > > > appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it. This

is

> > the

> > > > famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in focus.

In

> > the

> > > > next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of the

> > > > monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is showing

us

> > that

> > > > the Starchild has entered into and passing through the

monolith.

> > In

> > > > the very next scene - which is the last scene in the movie -

the

> > > > Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the

Earth.

> > > >

> > > > The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the voyage

to

> > the

> > > > infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe far

more

> > vast

> > > > and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever conceived.

> > > >

> > > > In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the lead

> > shaman

> > > > for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and he

now

> > knows

> > > > the truth about existence. He realizes that life would be

> > completely

> > > > meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the

monolith,

> > or

> > > > the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be

transformed

> > > > without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a God -

if

> > you

> > > > will. This supposedly atheist film director has made the

> > ultimate

> > > > religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of

Hollywood's

> > > > wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and religion.

Kubrick

> > is

> > > > taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that in

every

> > way.

> > > > Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the

history

> > of

> > > > humanity.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > One last interesting note to all of this. The great alchemist

> > > > Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of

> > the

> > > > human species is going to takes place at some time near the

end

> > of

> > > > the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick

picked

> > the

> > > > date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates

> > prescribed by

> > > > many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we

to

> > make

> > > > of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final

> > > > transformation of the human species?

> > > >

> > > > Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...........bob

> > >

> > >

> > > all dream bubbles

> > >

> > > and goof balls

> > >

> > > all most of all

> > >

> > > having a ball

> > >

> > > set for a fall

> > >

> > >

> > > hey you all

> > >

> > > we're only as light

> > >

> > > as we're all small

> > >

> > >

> > > like bob takes no position

> > >

> > > where then's the imposition?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > the supposition is the proposition that all life is created equal:

> > however, having traveled to the other side of the Light,

> > we are the wayshowers, the pinpoints of stars, (see, it's all

full

> > of stars'. let no man touch the new planet... 2010)

> >

> > eh???

>

>

> >

> all predisposition is perdition

>

> why carry the weight of past or future

>

> when both are the essence of daily torture?

>

>

> the warmth of your presence is your present

>

> anything more or less breeds resentment

>

> ...

 

 

 

from one goofball to another.....where do you get some of this stuff??

 

" like bob takes no position " well maybe because " all predisposition

is perdition " .......sounds correct...and then " where then's the

imposition? " .......it would seem that by no position or

predisposition,ergo without perdition, there is no imposition,

suppositions or conditions of pain, suffering, illusion or need for

warmth or presence. . " anything more or less breeds

resentment " ..sounds like a personal problem....one wraught with

torture, and a causative agent of ranting and raving. if the warmth

of one's presence carries not the weight of past or future, it is no

presence at all....for all time,for all being, of and for all things,

is the only true presence, anything less or more is delusionary and

but feigned gracility.

 

........bob

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 "

> <kailashana@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> > > > > > bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> > > > > > please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> > > > > > if you have seen your reflection

> > > > > > and who it was who killed my innocence,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> > > > > > But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> > > > > > And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> > > > > > Who has loved me?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> > > > > > Burning in hell.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7/29/06

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > oh, my crying child,

> > > > > > cold and hungry for want of

> > > > > > love and peace and understanding

> > > > > > growing up

> > > > > > in my world lacking;

> > > > > > so the wisdom of my sunset

> > > > > > prayed you may rise

> > > > > > above

> > > > > > this world of

> > > > > > illusions and delusions

> > > > > > and last find

> > > > > > peace

> > > > > > within yourself

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7/72

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The child in us is the child of the world, until we know

> this

> > > there

> > > > > can be no peace....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done

> regarding

> > > > > Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts below.......all

> > > children are

> > > > > starchilds and we all are stardust:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright glorious

> > > light. The

> > > > > light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer

> can't

> > > see

> > > > > what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something

> does

> > > > > appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it. This

> is

> > > the

> > > > > famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in focus.

> In

> > > the

> > > > > next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of the

> > > > > monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is showing

> us

> > > that

> > > > > the Starchild has entered into and passing through the

> monolith.

> > > In

> > > > > the very next scene - which is the last scene in the movie -

> the

> > > > > Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the

> Earth.

> > > > >

> > > > > The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the voyage

> to

> > > the

> > > > > infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe far

> more

> > > vast

> > > > > and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever conceived.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the lead

> > > shaman

> > > > > for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and he

> now

> > > knows

> > > > > the truth about existence. He realizes that life would be

> > > completely

> > > > > meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the

> monolith,

> > > or

> > > > > the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be

> transformed

> > > > > without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a God -

> if

> > > you

> > > > > will. This supposedly atheist film director has made the

> > > ultimate

> > > > > religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of

> Hollywood's

> > > > > wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and religion.

> Kubrick

> > > is

> > > > > taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that in

> every

> > > way.

> > > > > Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the

> history

> > > of

> > > > > humanity.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > One last interesting note to all of this. The great alchemist

> > > > > Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of

> > > the

> > > > > human species is going to takes place at some time near the

> end

> > > of

> > > > > the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick

> picked

> > > the

> > > > > date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates

> > > prescribed by

> > > > > many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we

> to

> > > make

> > > > > of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final

> > > > > transformation of the human species?

> > > > >

> > > > > Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...........bob

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > all dream bubbles

> > > >

> > > > and goof balls

> > > >

> > > > all most of all

> > > >

> > > > having a ball

> > > >

> > > > set for a fall

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > hey you all

> > > >

> > > > we're only as light

> > > >

> > > > as we're all small

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > like bob takes no position

> > > >

> > > > where then's the imposition?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > the supposition is the proposition that all life is created equal:

> > > however, having traveled to the other side of the Light,

> > > we are the wayshowers, the pinpoints of stars, (see, it's all

> full

> > > of stars'. let no man touch the new planet... 2010)

> > >

> > > eh???

> >

> >

> > >

> > all predisposition is perdition

> >

> > why carry the weight of past or future

> >

> > when both are the essence of daily torture?

> >

> >

> > the warmth of your presence is your present

> >

> > anything more or less breeds resentment

> >

> > ...

>

>

>

> from one goofball to another.....where do you get some of this stuff??

>

> " like bob takes no position " well maybe because " all predisposition

> is perdition " .......sounds correct...and then " where then's the

> imposition? " .......it would seem that by no position or

> predisposition,ergo without perdition, there is no imposition,

> suppositions or conditions of pain, suffering, illusion or need for

> warmth or presence. . " anything more or less breeds

> resentment " ..sounds like a personal problem....one wraught with

> torture, and a causative agent of ranting and raving. if the warmth

> of one's presence carries not the weight of past or future, it is no

> presence at all....for all time,for all being, of and for all things,

> is the only true presence, anything less or more is delusionary and

> but feigned gracility.

>

> ........bob

>

 

that's exactly what someone completely out of touch with corpo reality

would be compelled to say

 

....

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 "

> > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> > > > > > > bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> > > > > > > please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> > > > > > > if you have seen your reflection

> > > > > > > and who it was who killed my innocence,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> > > > > > > But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> > > > > > > And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> > > > > > > Who has loved me?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> > > > > > > Burning in hell.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7/29/06

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > oh, my crying child,

> > > > > > > cold and hungry for want of

> > > > > > > love and peace and understanding

> > > > > > > growing up

> > > > > > > in my world lacking;

> > > > > > > so the wisdom of my sunset

> > > > > > > prayed you may rise

> > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > this world of

> > > > > > > illusions and delusions

> > > > > > > and last find

> > > > > > > peace

> > > > > > > within yourself

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7/72

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The child in us is the child of the world, until we

know

> > this

> > > > there

> > > > > > can be no peace....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done

> > regarding

> > > > > > Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts below.......all

> > > > children are

> > > > > > starchilds and we all are stardust:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright

glorious

> > > > light. The

> > > > > > light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the viewer

> > can't

> > > > see

> > > > > > what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily, something

> > does

> > > > > > appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it.

This

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in

focus.

> > In

> > > > the

> > > > > > next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body of

the

> > > > > > monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is

showing

> > us

> > > > that

> > > > > > the Starchild has entered into and passing through the

> > monolith.

> > > > In

> > > > > > the very next scene - which is the last scene in the

movie -

> > the

> > > > > > Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards the

> > Earth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the

voyage

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe

far

> > more

> > > > vast

> > > > > > and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever conceived.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the

lead

> > > > shaman

> > > > > > for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and

he

> > now

> > > > knows

> > > > > > the truth about existence. He realizes that life would be

> > > > completely

> > > > > > meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the

> > monolith,

> > > > or

> > > > > > the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be

> > transformed

> > > > > > without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a

God -

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > > will. This supposedly atheist film director has made the

> > > > ultimate

> > > > > > religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of

> > Hollywood's

> > > > > > wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and religion.

> > Kubrick

> > > > is

> > > > > > taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that

in

> > every

> > > > way.

> > > > > > Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the

> > history

> > > > of

> > > > > > humanity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One last interesting note to all of this. The great

alchemist

> > > > > > Fulcanelli and others have said that a great

transmutation of

> > > > the

> > > > > > human species is going to takes place at some time near

the

> > end

> > > > of

> > > > > > the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick

> > picked

> > > > the

> > > > > > date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates

> > > > prescribed by

> > > > > > many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are

we

> > to

> > > > make

> > > > > > of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final

> > > > > > transformation of the human species?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...........bob

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > all dream bubbles

> > > > >

> > > > > and goof balls

> > > > >

> > > > > all most of all

> > > > >

> > > > > having a ball

> > > > >

> > > > > set for a fall

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hey you all

> > > > >

> > > > > we're only as light

> > > > >

> > > > > as we're all small

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > like bob takes no position

> > > > >

> > > > > where then's the imposition?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > the supposition is the proposition that all life is created

equal:

> > > > however, having traveled to the other side of the Light,

> > > > we are the wayshowers, the pinpoints of stars, (see, it's all

> > full

> > > > of stars'. let no man touch the new planet... 2010)

> > > >

> > > > eh???

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > all predisposition is perdition

> > >

> > > why carry the weight of past or future

> > >

> > > when both are the essence of daily torture?

> > >

> > >

> > > the warmth of your presence is your present

> > >

> > > anything more or less breeds resentment

> > >

> > > ...

> >

> >

> >

> > from one goofball to another.....where do you get some of this

stuff??

> >

> > " like bob takes no position " well maybe because " all

predisposition

> > is perdition " .......sounds correct...and then " where then's the

> > imposition? " .......it would seem that by no position or

> > predisposition,ergo without perdition, there is no imposition,

> > suppositions or conditions of pain, suffering, illusion or need

for

> > warmth or presence. . " anything more or less breeds

> > resentment " ..sounds like a personal problem....one wraught with

> > torture, and a causative agent of ranting and raving. if the

warmth

> > of one's presence carries not the weight of past or future, it is

no

> > presence at all....for all time,for all being, of and for all

things,

> > is the only true presence, anything less or more is delusionary

and

> > but feigned gracility.

> >

> > ........bob

> >

>

> that's exactly what someone completely out of touch with corpo

reality

> would be compelled to say

>

> ...

 

 

 

not being a 'someone',for which there is thanks, I am unaware of

a 'someone's bounds or burdens of an obligated nature, or charged

feeling of clamored necessity, to compel that self-same 'someone' to

say something due of that 'self'-induced enjoinment to tell anyone

anything. how some ever........except for and despite the conditional

and additional aspect, of a 'someone'(is such a thing exists) to

be " out of touch " with reality[corpo, torpo, norpo.....whatever]

this authoritative and somewhat ungraceful statement would still not

be a compelling argument re anything or any person,

being 'compelled', because it says nothing nor proves anything but

only issues a resentful summation compelled by acrimonious,

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

<kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

<skywords@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz 2 "

> > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...and if you should hold me in my dying moments,

> > > > > > > > bleeding into the wretched hands of time,

> > > > > > > > please remember if you looked deep into my eyes,

> > > > > > > > if you have seen your reflection

> > > > > > > > and who it was who killed my innocence,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a child of God, not the God of your religion,

> > > > > > > > But the God of Life, without motive, without purpse

> > > > > > > > And with my last dying breath, I ask:

> > > > > > > > Who has loved me?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Who will lead the way to Heaven or Hell?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tears from a dying child, tears falling from heaven,

> > > > > > > > Burning in hell.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7/29/06

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > oh, my crying child,

> > > > > > > > cold and hungry for want of

> > > > > > > > love and peace and understanding

> > > > > > > > growing up

> > > > > > > > in my world lacking;

> > > > > > > > so the wisdom of my sunset

> > > > > > > > prayed you may rise

> > > > > > > > above

> > > > > > > > this world of

> > > > > > > > illusions and delusions

> > > > > > > > and last find

> > > > > > > > peace

> > > > > > > > within yourself

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7/72

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The child in us is the child of the world, until we

> know

> > > this

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > can be no peace....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > beauteous Ana...brings to mind some reading I've done

> > > regarding

> > > > > > > Kubrick and Clarke's 2001, some exceprts

below.......all

> > > > > children are

> > > > > > > starchilds and we all are stardust:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Slowly his aged body begins turning into a bright

> glorious

> > > > > light. The

> > > > > > > light is so intense that, for a brief moment, the

viewer

> > > can't

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > what is happening on the bed. But, momentarily,

something

> > > does

> > > > > > > appear. It is an embryo with a nearly-born fetus in it.

> This

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > famous Starchild. The Starchild slowly becomes more in

> focus.

> > > In

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > next shot Kubrick tracks his camera into the very body

of

> the

> > > > > > > monolith, coming from the direction of the bed. He is

> showing

> > > us

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the Starchild has entered into and passing through the

> > > monolith.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > the very next scene - which is the last scene in the

> movie -

> > > the

> > > > > > > Starchild is passing the moon and is heading towards

the

> > > Earth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The fourth and last sequence in the movie concerns the

> voyage

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > infinite. In this chapter Bowman experiences a universe

> far

> > > more

> > > > > vast

> > > > > > > and unbelievable than any mortal man has ever

conceived.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the end, Kubrick is saying that Bowman has been the

> lead

> > > > > shaman

> > > > > > > for humanity. He has passed through the four realms and

> he

> > > now

> > > > > knows

> > > > > > > the truth about existence. He realizes that life would

be

> > > > > completely

> > > > > > > meaningless if it were not for the intervention of the

> > > monolith,

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > the stone. He realizes that he himself could not be

> > > transformed

> > > > > > > without the assistance of an outside intelligence - a

> God -

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > will. This supposedly atheist film director has made

the

> > > > > ultimate

> > > > > > > religious movie. It single handedly outdoes all of

> > > Hollywood's

> > > > > > > wooden, superficial homage's to the spirit and

religion.

> > > Kubrick

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > taking this religion very seriously and he conveys that

> in

> > > every

> > > > > way.

> > > > > > > Kubrick has simultaneously taken the viewer through the

> > > history

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > humanity.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One last interesting note to all of this. The great

> alchemist

> > > > > > > Fulcanelli and others have said that a great

> transmutation of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > human species is going to takes place at some time near

> the

> > > end

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick

> > > picked

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates

> > > > > prescribed by

> > > > > > > many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What

are

> we

> > > to

> > > > > make

> > > > > > > of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the

final

> > > > > > > transformation of the human species?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jay Weidner is a film maker, lecturer and writer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...........bob

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all dream bubbles

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and goof balls

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all most of all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > having a ball

> > > > > >

> > > > > > set for a fall

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hey you all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > we're only as light

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as we're all small

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > like bob takes no position

> > > > > >

> > > > > > where then's the imposition?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > the supposition is the proposition that all life is created

> equal:

> > > > > however, having traveled to the other side of the Light,

> > > > > we are the wayshowers, the pinpoints of stars, (see, it's

all

> > > full

> > > > > of stars'. let no man touch the new planet... 2010)

> > > > >

> > > > > eh???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > all predisposition is perdition

> > > >

> > > > why carry the weight of past or future

> > > >

> > > > when both are the essence of daily torture?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > the warmth of your presence is your present

> > > >

> > > > anything more or less breeds resentment

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from one goofball to another.....where do you get some of this

> stuff??

> > >

> > > " like bob takes no position " well maybe because " all

> predisposition

> > > is perdition " .......sounds correct...and then " where then's the

> > > imposition? " .......it would seem that by no position or

> > > predisposition,ergo without perdition, there is no imposition,

> > > suppositions or conditions of pain, suffering, illusion or need

> for

> > > warmth or presence. . " anything more or less breeds

> > > resentment " ..sounds like a personal problem....one wraught with

> > > torture, and a causative agent of ranting and raving. if the

> warmth

> > > of one's presence carries not the weight of past or future, it

is

> no

> > > presence at all....for all time,for all being, of and for all

> things,

> > > is the only true presence, anything less or more is delusionary

> and

> > > but feigned gracility.

> > >

> > > ........bob

> > >

> >

> > that's exactly what someone completely out of touch with corpo

> reality

> > would be compelled to say

> >

> > ...

>

>

>

> not being a 'someone',for which there is thanks, I am unaware of

> a 'someone's bounds or burdens of an obligated nature, or charged

> feeling of clamored necessity, to compel that self-same 'someone'

to

> say something due of that 'self'-induced enjoinment to tell anyone

> anything. how some ever........except for and despite the

conditional

> and additional aspect, of a 'someone'(is such a thing exists) to

> be " out of touch " with reality[corpo, torpo, norpo.....whatever]

> this authoritative and somewhat ungraceful statement would still

not

> be a compelling argument re anything or any person,

> being 'compelled', because it says nothing nor proves anything but

> only issues a resentful summation compelled by acrimonious,

 

 

Dang that send button!......now to finish:

 

..........compelled by acrimonious, rancorous, embitterment. from what

and to which this ill will is formulated or directed is indeed the

question. from whom and to whom and to wit.....WHY?

 

...........bob