Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or consciousness had been non-experiential. While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine. This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man experiences the divine. By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which we see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the divine on the other. Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including experiences of the divine. Bernadette Roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine. > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > experiences the divine. > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which we > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the > divine on the other. > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > experiences of the divine. > > > Bernadette Roberts Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so much for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of this year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat: http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that in deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that is not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by the limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'. .............bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or > > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine. > > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > > experiences the divine. > > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which > we > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the > > divine on the other. > > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > > experiences of the divine. > > > > > > Bernadette Roberts > > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so much > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of this > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat: > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that in > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that is > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by the > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'. > > .............bob > Thanks Bob. I think I'll go to be with her. Wanna come? Did you see that smile she has? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of > > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or > > > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > > > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine. > > > > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > > > experiences the divine. > > > > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which > > we > > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the > > > divine on the other. > > > > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > > > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > > > experiences of the divine. > > > > > > > > > Bernadette Roberts > > > > > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so much > > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of this > > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat > > > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in > > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of > > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that in > > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that is > > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by the > > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'. > > > > .............bob > > > > > > Thanks Bob. > > I think I'll go to be with her. > > Wanna come? > > Did you see that smile she has? > > toombaru sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it all without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can start putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget). .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > > > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences > of > > > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond > self or > > > > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > > > > > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > > > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the > divine. > > > > > > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > > > > experiences the divine. > > > > > > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through > which > > > we > > > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and > the > > > > divine on the other. > > > > > > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > > > > > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > > > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > > > > experiences of the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette Roberts > > > > > > > > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so > much > > > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of > this > > > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat: > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat > > > > > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in > > > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of > > > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that > in > > > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that > is > > > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by > the > > > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'. > > > > > > .............bob > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bob. > > > > I think I'll go to be with her. > > > > Wanna come? > > > > Did you see that smile she has? > > > > toombaru > > > sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane > things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it all > without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can start > putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget). > > .........bob > :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > > > > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences > > of > > > > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond > > self or > > > > > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > > > > > > > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > > > > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the > > divine. > > > > > > > > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > > > > > experiences the divine. > > > > > > > > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through > > which > > > > we > > > > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and > > the > > > > > divine on the other. > > > > > > > > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > > > > > > > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > > > > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > > > > > experiences of the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette Roberts > > > > > > > > > > > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so > > much > > > > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of > > this > > > > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat: > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat > > > > > > > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in > > > > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of > > > > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that > > in > > > > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that > > is > > > > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by > > the > > > > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'. > > > > > > > > .............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bob. > > > > > > I think I'll go to be with her. > > > > > > Wanna come? > > > > > > Did you see that smile she has? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane > > things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it all > > without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can start > > putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget). > > > > .........bob > > > > > One good thing...........You don't need to buy a round trip ticket. > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > > > > > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences > > > of > > > > > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond > > > self or > > > > > > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > > > > > > > > > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > > > > > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the > > > divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > > > > > > experiences the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through > > > which > > > > > we > > > > > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and > > > the > > > > > > divine on the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > > > > > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > > > > > > experiences of the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernadette Roberts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so > > > much > > > > > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of > > > this > > > > > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat > > > > > > > > > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in > > > > > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of > > > > > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that > > > in > > > > > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that > > > is > > > > > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by > > > the > > > > > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'. > > > > > > > > > > .............bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bob. > > > > > > > > I think I'll go to be with her. > > > > > > > > Wanna come? > > > > > > > > Did you see that smile she has? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane > > > things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it all > > > without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can start > > > putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget). > > > > > > .........bob > > > > > > > > > One good thing...........You don't need to buy a round trip ticket. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru LOL .......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine. > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > experiences the divine. > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which we > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the > divine on the other. > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > experiences of the divine. > > > Bernadette Roberts > visual imagery is imaginary visceral clarity is immediacy the divine can divide love is no side .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this: > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or > consciousness had been non-experiential. > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine. > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man > experiences the divine. > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which we > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the > divine on the other. > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself. > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man; > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including > experiences of the divine. > > > Bernadette Roberts thanks for this interesting message.... the word " Divine " could be just exchanged by the word " real Self " but ok....who cares about names..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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