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The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of

ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or

consciousness had been non-experiential.

 

While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine.

 

This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

experiences the divine.

 

By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which we

see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the

divine on the other.

 

Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

 

In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

experiences of the divine.

 

 

Bernadette Roberts

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

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>

>

>

>

> The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

> That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of

> ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or

> consciousness had been non-experiential.

>

> While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

> experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine.

>

> This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

> experiences the divine.

>

> By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which

we

> see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the

> divine on the other.

>

> Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

>

> In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

> experiences of the divine.

>

>

> Bernadette Roberts

 

 

Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so much

for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of this

year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat:

 

http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat

 

and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in

reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of

the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that in

deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that is

not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by the

limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'.

 

.............bob

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

> > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of

> > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or

> > consciousness had been non-experiential.

> >

> > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

> > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine.

> >

> > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

> > experiences the divine.

> >

> > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which

> we

> > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the

> > divine on the other.

> >

> > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

> >

> > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

> > experiences of the divine.

> >

> >

> > Bernadette Roberts

>

>

> Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so much

> for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of this

> year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat:

>

> http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat

>

> and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in

> reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of

> the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that in

> deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that is

> not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by the

> limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'.

>

> .............bob

>

 

 

 

Thanks Bob.

 

I think I'll go to be with her.

 

Wanna come?

 

Did you see that smile she has?

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

> > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences

of

> > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond

self or

> > > consciousness had been non-experiential.

> > >

> > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

> > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the

divine.

> > >

> > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

> > > experiences the divine.

> > >

> > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through

which

> > we

> > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and

the

> > > divine on the other.

> > >

> > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

> > >

> > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

> > > experiences of the divine.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bernadette Roberts

> >

> >

> > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so

much

> > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of

this

> > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat:

> >

> > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat

> >

> > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in

> > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of

> > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that

in

> > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that

is

> > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by

the

> > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'.

> >

> > .............bob

> >

>

>

>

> Thanks Bob.

>

> I think I'll go to be with her.

>

> Wanna come?

>

> Did you see that smile she has?

>

> toombaru

 

 

sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane

things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it all

without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can start

putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget).

 

.........bob

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

> > > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences

> of

> > > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond

> self or

> > > > consciousness had been non-experiential.

> > > >

> > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

> > > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the

> divine.

> > > >

> > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

> > > > experiences the divine.

> > > >

> > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through

> which

> > > we

> > > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and

> the

> > > > divine on the other.

> > > >

> > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

> > > >

> > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> > > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

> > > > experiences of the divine.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bernadette Roberts

> > >

> > >

> > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so

> much

> > > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of

> this

> > > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat:

> > >

> > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat

> > >

> > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in

> > > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of

> > > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that

> in

> > > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that

> is

> > > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by

> the

> > > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'.

> > >

> > > .............bob

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks Bob.

> >

> > I think I'll go to be with her.

> >

> > Wanna come?

> >

> > Did you see that smile she has?

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane

> things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it all

> without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can start

> putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget).

>

> .........bob

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

:-)

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

> > > > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences

> > of

> > > > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond

> > self or

> > > > > consciousness had been non-experiential.

> > > > >

> > > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

> > > > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the

> > divine.

> > > > >

> > > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

> > > > > experiences the divine.

> > > > >

> > > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through

> > which

> > > > we

> > > > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and

> > the

> > > > > divine on the other.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> > > > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

> > > > > experiences of the divine.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bernadette Roberts

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you so

> > much

> > > > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October of

> > this

> > > > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat

> > > >

> > > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian Mysticism " in

> > > > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down of

> > > > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found, that

> > in

> > > > deferance to communicating anything at all of the experience that

> > is

> > > > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained by

> > the

> > > > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'.

> > > >

> > > > .............bob

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks Bob.

> > >

> > > I think I'll go to be with her.

> > >

> > > Wanna come?

> > >

> > > Did you see that smile she has?

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane

> > things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it all

> > without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can start

> > putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget).

> >

> > .........bob

> >

>

>

> One good thing...........You don't need to buy a round trip ticket.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just

this:

> > > > > > That all of our experiences of the divine are only

experiences

> > > of

> > > > > > ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed

beyond

> > > self or

> > > > > > consciousness had been non-experiential.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While the divine had been the cause of our experiences.

the

> > > > > > experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not

the

> > > divine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This means that consciousness or self is the medium by

which man

> > > > > > experiences the divine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil

through

> > > which

> > > > > we

> > > > > > see and experience the divine - as if self were on one

side and

> > > the

> > > > > > divine on the other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man

himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> > > > > > consciousness or self is the whole human experience,

including

> > > > > > experiences of the divine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bernadette Roberts

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Great stuff......She's my One True Gal toombaru! Thank you

so

> > > much

> > > > > for the post......beyond words.She's incarnating in October

of

> > > this

> > > > > year in Hingham, Massachusetts for a weekend rertreat:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.geocities.com/keithops/brretreat

> > > > >

> > > > > and as you know, when they use the term " Christian

Mysticism " in

> > > > > reference to her Presence, it is a necessary valving down

of

> > > > > the 'Actuality' that she Presents.......she herself found,

that

> > > in

> > > > > deferance to communicating anything at all of the

experience that

> > > is

> > > > > not in truth an experience at all, that she was constrained

by

> > > the

> > > > > limits of the 'word'........and the 'Word made Flesh'.

> > > > >

> > > > > .............bob

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Bob.

> > > >

> > > > I think I'll go to be with her.

> > > >

> > > > Wanna come?

> > > >

> > > > Did you see that smile she has?

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > sounds good....I'm actually trying to reset a couple of mundane

> > > things so as to make the visitation. Yep, that smile says it

all

> > > without a word, without a sound. as the time approaches we can

start

> > > putting it together.....a trip to remember(and forget).

> > >

> > > .........bob

> > >

> >

> >

> > One good thing...........You don't need to buy a round trip

ticket.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

 

 

LOL

 

.......bob

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

>

>

>

> The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

> That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of

> ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or

> consciousness had been non-experiential.

>

> While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

> experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine.

>

> This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

> experiences the divine.

>

> By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which we

> see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the

> divine on the other.

>

> Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

>

> In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

> experiences of the divine.

>

>

> Bernadette Roberts

>

 

 

visual imagery is imaginary

 

visceral clarity is immediacy

 

the divine can divide

 

love is no side

 

....

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> The shocking revelation of the no-self experience is just this:

> That all of our experiences of the divine are only experiences of

> ourself, and that all along the divine as it existed beyond self or

> consciousness had been non-experiential.

>

> While the divine had been the cause of our experiences. the

> experiences themselves (the effects, that is) were not the divine.

>

> This means that consciousness or self is the medium by which man

> experiences the divine.

>

> By medium we do not mean that consciousness is a veil through which

we

> see and experience the divine - as if self were on one side and the

> divine on the other.

>

> Rather, consciousness is the experience we ARE: man himself.

>

> In essence man is consciousness and consciousness is man;

> consciousness or self is the whole human experience, including

> experiences of the divine.

>

>

> Bernadette Roberts

 

 

 

thanks for this interesting message....

 

 

the word " Divine " could be just exchanged by the word " real Self "

 

but ok....who cares about names.....

 

 

Marc

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