Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > >>Jesus was > > > >>observing not only the Pharisees but his own diciples and incarnate > > > >>self as Man....this was one of his most self depreciatory statements > > > > > > It was not a self depreciatory statement nor was Jesus talking of > > > himself. Whoever has a Bible can read that Jesus was speaking only of > > > the Pharasees and advising his disciples to, " Let them alone: they be > > > blind leaders of the blind. " (1st part of the previously quoted verse) > > > Any interpretation beyond this is imagination gone wild. > > > > > > Another quote: " Don't follow leaders; watch the parking > > meters. " ___Bob > > > Dylan > > > > > > > > > I didn't say Jesus was talking to, or only himself. Where do you read > > that in the posting? I said he wasn't talking MERELY about the > > Pharisees, but also himself. Jesus talked about all men including > > Himself at all times. He was not trying to put on the facada of being > > the Big Kahuna who issued statements from the mount about everyone > > except himself, that crap came latter when would be diciples and moon > > eyed idealists started creating a 'church' ABOUT Jesus, rather than > > living His teachings or maybe starting a 'church or school and school > > of thought' proselethysing his thoughts and ideas for, and about all > > mankind. Any interpretation that disallows this, or thinks that the > > fuller meaning or context is ipso facto wrong, bespeaks the mind of the > > little old " Church Lady " of Saturday Night Live fame, who would > > undoubtedly ask, " Could it be..... Satan " regarding the truth of this > > idea. Or are you still in that elementary school being informed by the > > nuns who also taught that Jesus' garment grew along with him and that > > every miracle in the New Testament is God's Honest Truth and happened > > just that way? Give us a break......I'd suggest you stick to watching > > parking meters or get a grip, grow up, and stop believing the dead word > > of the New Testament and start listening to it's living Truth. > > > > ......bob > > > jesus is a dream bubble > > let's argue about the rainbow patterns? > > > ... > there's no such thing as........hey...who's arguing? who's to argue? ...bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " > <n0ndual@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, both will > fall > > > into > > > > > a pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is what....and > > > what is > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad qualities > felt, and > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he is blind > to > > > the > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of these are in > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by contagion, or > blind > > > > > > belief, or > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same man......both will > fall > > > into > > > > > the > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and conceit > of > > > > > knowing what > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which they do not > > > know or > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions among peoples > of > > > the > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever stops trying > to > > > > > convince > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, even your > own > > > self. > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but his own > diciples > > > and > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most self > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You cold take these oneliner shiners to privi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let the dog eat the scraps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whaatttttttttt? sky, you grow tired. > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe, who doesn't? > > > > > > > > tiresome: that's something you may know a little better > > > > > > > > since i'm not selling or entertaining > > > > > > > > just singing in the shower > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > you need voice lessons, and a far better song to sing. you are > not > > > yet 'stage ready', not even for a crowd of no one. and most > certainly > > > I agree, you are not entertaining. and no one would buy your > product > > > anyway, so it's good your not trying to sell anything....but > golly, > > > from here it sure seems as though you are trying most hard to do > just > > > that. better wash off a little more.....cold showers also can > help to > > > awaken the tired or sleeping. > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > silly boy > > > > > > ... > well thank you.and 'tis true, 'tis true and I hope it never ends. > wll at least not in the 'foreseable future' > > > .......bob > airy visionary .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Jesus was > > > > >>observing not only the Pharisees but his own diciples and > incarnate > > > > >>self as Man....this was one of his most self depreciatory > statements > > > > > > > > It was not a self depreciatory statement nor was Jesus talking > of > > > > himself. Whoever has a Bible can read that Jesus was speaking > only of > > > > the Pharasees and advising his disciples to, " Let them alone: > they be > > > > blind leaders of the blind. " (1st part of the previously quoted > verse) > > > > Any interpretation beyond this is imagination gone wild. > > > > > > > > Another quote: " Don't follow leaders; watch the parking > > > meters. " ___Bob > > > > Dylan > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't say Jesus was talking to, or only himself. Where do you > read > > > that in the posting? I said he wasn't talking MERELY about the > > > Pharisees, but also himself. Jesus talked about all men including > > > Himself at all times. He was not trying to put on the facada of > being > > > the Big Kahuna who issued statements from the mount about > everyone > > > except himself, that crap came latter when would be diciples and > moon > > > eyed idealists started creating a 'church' ABOUT Jesus, rather > than > > > living His teachings or maybe starting a 'church or school and > school > > > of thought' proselethysing his thoughts and ideas for, and about > all > > > mankind. Any interpretation that disallows this, or thinks that > the > > > fuller meaning or context is ipso facto wrong, bespeaks the mind > of the > > > little old " Church Lady " of Saturday Night Live fame, who would > > > undoubtedly ask, " Could it be..... Satan " regarding the truth of > this > > > idea. Or are you still in that elementary school being informed > by the > > > nuns who also taught that Jesus' garment grew along with him and > that > > > every miracle in the New Testament is God's Honest Truth and > happened > > > just that way? Give us a break......I'd suggest you stick to > watching > > > parking meters or get a grip, grow up, and stop believing the > dead word > > > of the New Testament and start listening to it's living Truth. > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > jesus is a dream bubble > > > > let's argue about the rainbow patterns? > > > > > > ... > > > > > there's no such thing as........hey...who's arguing? who's to argue? > > > ...bob > you're pretending to learn the party line hook line and sinker but it's fun! what else is there? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, both will > > fall > > > > into > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is what....and > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad qualities > > felt, > > > > and > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he is blind > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of these are in > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by contagion, or > > blind > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same man......both will > > fall > > > > into > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and conceit > > of > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which they do not > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions among peoples > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever stops trying > > to > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, even your > > own > > > > self. > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but his own > > diciples > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most self > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it already > > and > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras(our own > > or > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as a > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a fallacy, > > and a > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am saying that > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and I am most > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers in the > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or in a > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > .....bob > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > bob > > > ... > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the hand of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the eye of the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or Mirror) , but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " .........Julius bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, both > will > > > fall > > > > > into > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > what....and > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad qualities > > > felt, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he is > blind > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of these are > in > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by contagion, > or > > > blind > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same man......both > will > > > fall > > > > > into > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and > conceit > > > of > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which they do > not > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions among > peoples > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever stops > trying > > > to > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, even > your > > > own > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but his own > > > diciples > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most self > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it > already > > > and > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras(our > own > > > or > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as a > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > fallacy, > > > and a > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am saying > that > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and I am > most > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers in > the > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or in a > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > bob > > > > > > ... > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the hand > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the eye of > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or Mirror) , > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > .........Julius bob > like i said .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, both > will > > > fall > > > > > into > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > what....and > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad qualities > > > felt, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he is > blind > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of these are > in > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by contagion, > or > > > blind > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same man......both > will > > > fall > > > > > into > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and > conceit > > > of > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which they do > not > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions among > peoples > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever stops > trying > > > to > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, even > your > > > own > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but his own > > > diciples > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most self > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it > already > > > and > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras(our > own > > > or > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as a > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > fallacy, > > > and a > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am saying > that > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and I am > most > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers in > the > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or in a > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > bob > > > > > > ... > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the hand > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the eye of > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or Mirror) , > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > .........Julius bob > like i said .... you said somethin? where and when was that? .bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, both > > will > > > > fall > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > what....and > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad qualities > > > > felt, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he is > > blind > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of these > are > > in > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by contagion, > > or > > > > blind > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same man......both > > will > > > > fall > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and > > conceit > > > > of > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which they > do > > not > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions among > > peoples > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever stops > > trying > > > > to > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, even > > your > > > > own > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but his own > > > > diciples > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most self > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it > > already > > > > and > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras(our > > own > > > > or > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as a > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > fallacy, > > > > and a > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am saying > > that > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and I am > > most > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers in > > the > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or in a > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the hand > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the eye of > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or > Mirror) , > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > like i said > > > ... > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > .bob > don't get too excited, now, bob .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, both > > > will > > > > > fall > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > > what....and > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad qualities > > > > > felt, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he is > > > blind > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of these > > are > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by contagion, > > > or > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same man......both > > > will > > > > > fall > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and > > > conceit > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which they > > do > > > not > > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions among > > > peoples > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever stops > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, even > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but his own > > > > > diciples > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most self > > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it > > > already > > > > > and > > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras (our > > > own > > > > > or > > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as a > > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > > fallacy, > > > > > and a > > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am saying > > > that > > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and I am > > > most > > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers in > > > the > > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or in a > > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the hand > > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the eye of > > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or > > Mirror) , > > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > > > > like i said > > > > > > ... > > > > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > > > > .bob > > > > don't get too excited, now, bob > > > ... > no fear of that, but if you can't tell me where or when...can you tell me at least 'what' it was you said...or why....I already know how you tried to say something, so no need to help me out there. so along with the boys let me say while I wait in wonder and expectation your informative answer, let me add: Come on come on come on come on Come on is such a joy Come on is such a joy Come on take it easy Come on take it easy Take it easy take it easy Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. The deeper you go the higher you fly The higher you fly the deeper you go So come on come on Come on is such a joy Come on is such a joy Come on make it easy Come on make it easy. Take it easy take it easy Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. Your inside is out and your outside is in Your outside is in and your inside is out So come on come on Come on is such a joy Come on is such a joy Come on make it easy Come on make it easy Make it easy make it easy Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. beatle bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, > both > > > > will > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > > > what....and > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad > qualities > > > > > > felt, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he > is > > > > blind > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of > these > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by > contagion, > > > > or > > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same > man......both > > > > will > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and > > > > conceit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which > they > > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions > among > > > > peoples > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever > stops > > > > trying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, > even > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but > his own > > > > > > diciples > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most > self > > > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it > > > > already > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras > (our > > > > own > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as > a > > > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > > > fallacy, > > > > > > and a > > > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am > saying > > > > that > > > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and > I am > > > > most > > > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers > in > > > > the > > > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or > in a > > > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the > hand > > > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the > eye of > > > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or > > > Mirror) , > > > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > > > > > > > like i said > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > > > > > > > .bob > > > > > > > don't get too excited, now, bob > > > > > > ... > > > no fear of that, but if you can't tell me where or when...can you > tell me at least 'what' it was you said...or why....I already know > how you tried to say something, so no need to help me out there. so > along with the boys let me say while I wait in wonder and expectation > your informative answer, let me add: > > Come on come on come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on take it easy > Come on take it easy > Take it easy take it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > The deeper you go the higher you fly > The higher you fly the deeper you go > So come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on make it easy > Come on make it easy. > > Take it easy take it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > Your inside is out and your outside is in > Your outside is in and your inside is out > So come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on make it easy > Come on make it easy > Make it easy make it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > beatle bob > how quickly we forget .... 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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, > both > > > > will > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > > > what....and > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad > qualities > > > > > > felt, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he > is > > > > blind > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of > these > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by > contagion, > > > > or > > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same > man......both > > > > will > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and > > > > conceit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which > they > > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions > among > > > > peoples > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever > stops > > > > trying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, > even > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but > his own > > > > > > diciples > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most > self > > > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it > > > > already > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras > (our > > > > own > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as > a > > > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > > > fallacy, > > > > > > and a > > > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am > saying > > > > that > > > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and > I am > > > > most > > > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers > in > > > > the > > > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or > in a > > > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the > hand > > > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the > eye of > > > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or > > > Mirror) , > > > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > > > > > > > like i said > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > > > > > > > .bob > > > > > > > don't get too excited, now, bob > > > > > > ... > > > no fear of that, but if you can't tell me where or when...can you > tell me at least 'what' it was you said...or why....I already know > how you tried to say something, so no need to help me out there. so > along with the boys let me say while I wait in wonder and expectation > your informative answer, let me add: > > Come on come on come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on take it easy > Come on take it easy > Take it easy take it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > The deeper you go the higher you fly > The higher you fly the deeper you go > So come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on make it easy > Come on make it easy. > > Take it easy take it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > Your inside is out and your outside is in > Your outside is in and your inside is out > So come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on make it easy > Come on make it easy > Make it easy make it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > beatle bob > how quickly we forget .... what's to remeber......and who's to do that? 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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, > both > > > > will > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > > > what....and > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad > qualities > > > > > > felt, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he > is > > > > blind > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of > these > > > are > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by > contagion, > > > > or > > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same > man......both > > > > will > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False Knowledge........and > > > > conceit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which > they > > > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions > among > > > > peoples > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever > stops > > > > trying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, > even > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but > his own > > > > > > diciples > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his most > self > > > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what it > > > > already > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become mantras > (our > > > > own > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' as > a > > > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > > > fallacy, > > > > > > and a > > > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all due > > > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am > saying > > > > that > > > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers and > I am > > > > most > > > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor fingers > in > > > > the > > > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things or > in a > > > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of the > hand > > > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the > eye of > > > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or > > > Mirror) , > > > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > > > > > > > like i said > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > > > > > > > .bob > > > > > > > don't get too excited, now, bob > > > > > > ... > > > no fear of that, but if you can't tell me where or when...can you > tell me at least 'what' it was you said...or why....I already know > how you tried to say something, so no need to help me out there. so > along with the boys let me say while I wait in wonder and expectation > your informative answer, let me add: > > Come on come on come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on take it easy > Come on take it easy > Take it easy take it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > The deeper you go the higher you fly > The higher you fly the deeper you go > So come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on make it easy > Come on make it easy. > > Take it easy take it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > Your inside is out and your outside is in > Your outside is in and your inside is out > So come on come on > Come on is such a joy > Come on is such a joy > Come on make it easy > Come on make it easy > Make it easy make it easy > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > beatle bob > how quickly we forget .... what's to remeber......and who's to do that? 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Re: what do you understand by this quote... > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, > > both > > > > > will > > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > > > > what....and > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad > > qualities > > > > > > > felt, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he > > is > > > > > blind > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of > > these > > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by > > contagion, > > > > > or > > > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same > > man......both > > > > > will > > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False > Knowledge........and > > > > > conceit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which > > they > > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions > > among > > > > > peoples > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever > > stops > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, > > even > > > > > your > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but > > his own > > > > > > > diciples > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his > most > > self > > > > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what > it > > > > > already > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become > mantras > > (our > > > > > own > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' > as > > a > > > > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > > > > fallacy, > > > > > > > and a > > > > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all > due > > > > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am > > saying > > > > > that > > > > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers > and > > I am > > > > > most > > > > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor > fingers > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things > or > > in a > > > > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > > > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of > the > > hand > > > > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the > > eye of > > > > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or > > > > Mirror) , > > > > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > > > > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > like i said > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > > > > > > > > > > .bob > > > > > > > > > > don't get too excited, now, bob > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > no fear of that, but if you can't tell me where or when...can you > > tell me at least 'what' it was you said...or why....I already know > > how you tried to say something, so no need to help me out there. so > > along with the boys let me say while I wait in wonder and > expectation > > your informative answer, let me add: > > > > Come on come on come on come on > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on take it easy > > Come on take it easy > > Take it easy take it easy > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > The deeper you go the higher you fly > > The higher you fly the deeper you go > > So come on come on > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on make it easy > > Come on make it easy. > > > > Take it easy take it easy > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > Your inside is out and your outside is in > > Your outside is in and your inside is out > > So come on come on > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on make it easy > > Come on make it easy > > Make it easy make it easy > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > > > > > beatle bob > > > > > how quickly we forget > > > ... > > > what's to remeber......and who's to do that? > you tell me .... 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Re: what do you understand by this quote... > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, > > both > > > > > will > > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > > > > what....and > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad > > qualities > > > > > > > felt, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he > > is > > > > > blind > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of > > these > > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by > > contagion, > > > > > or > > > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same > > man......both > > > > > will > > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False > Knowledge........and > > > > > conceit > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which > > they > > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions > > among > > > > > peoples > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever > > stops > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, > > even > > > > > your > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but > > his own > > > > > > > diciples > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his > most > > self > > > > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what > it > > > > > already > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become > mantras > > (our > > > > > own > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' > as > > a > > > > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > > > > fallacy, > > > > > > > and a > > > > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all > due > > > > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am > > saying > > > > > that > > > > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers > and > > I am > > > > > most > > > > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor > fingers > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things > or > > in a > > > > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > > > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of > the > > hand > > > > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the > > eye of > > > > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars(or > > > > Mirror) , > > > > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > > > > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > like i said > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > > > > > > > > > > .bob > > > > > > > > > > don't get too excited, now, bob > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > no fear of that, but if you can't tell me where or when...can you > > tell me at least 'what' it was you said...or why....I already know > > how you tried to say something, so no need to help me out there. so > > along with the boys let me say while I wait in wonder and > expectation > > your informative answer, let me add: > > > > Come on come on come on come on > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on take it easy > > Come on take it easy > > Take it easy take it easy > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > The deeper you go the higher you fly > > The higher you fly the deeper you go > > So come on come on > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on make it easy > > Come on make it easy. > > > > Take it easy take it easy > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > Your inside is out and your outside is in > > Your outside is in and your inside is out > > So come on come on > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on is such a joy > > Come on make it easy > > Come on make it easy > > Make it easy make it easy > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > > > > > beatle bob > > > > > how quickly we forget > > > ... > > > what's to remeber......and who's to do that? > ditto .... 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Re: what do you understand by this quote... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If a blind man leads a blind man, > > > both > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Matthew 15:14) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if a man is of opinions as to what is > > > > > > what....and > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.....and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he is.....and what the myriad > > > qualities > > > > > > > > felt, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known among entities of earth.......he > > > is > > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth that no one knows what one of > > > these > > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth.......and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follows that man, and takes on by > > > contagion, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > blind > > > > > > > > > > > > belief, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for attachment to that same > > > man......both > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > fall > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deception of False > > Knowledge........and > > > > > > conceit > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not know, or understanding that which > > > they > > > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > know or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the most common of deceptions > > > among > > > > > > peoples > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time immemorial.....and nobody ever > > > stops > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have a handle on the Real Deal, > > > even > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observing not only the Pharisees but > > > his own > > > > > > > > diciples > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incarnate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self as Man....this was one of his > > most > > > self > > > > > > > > > > depreciatory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also one of his wisest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jesus was blind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only the blind can feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why repeat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to what end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miraculously enough! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what pray tell are those? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our words are our mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we continually become what we say and hear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing becomes something else, nor changes from what > > it > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > always is. nothing transforms. we do NOT become > > mantras > > > (our > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > other's).'continually' is a word that assumes 'time' > > as > > > a > > > > > > > > > > constraining and transforming 'somewhat.this too is a > > > > > > fallacy, > > > > > > > > and a > > > > > > > > > > delusional property of an imagined being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, with all due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's the party line and should be quite obvious by now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what you're saying is the party mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm just pointing to the fingers pointing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well yes of course, and in return, and with as much 'all > > due > > > > > > > > respect'...I agree it's the 'party' mantra and only am > > > saying > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > same transforms nothing. It's not nice pointing fingers > > and > > > I am > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > certainly not, nor have I been pointing finger, nor > > fingers > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > plural at anyone. this is only your perception of things > > or > > > in a > > > > > > > > manner of speaking, your view from and in the Mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your capacity to distort ceaselessly is beautiful: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah but this fine glass has been ground and polished with the > > > > > > precision of the angels in heaven, and the craftsmanship of > > the > > > hand > > > > > > of God and the Cosmos. the only distotion that is, is in the > > > eye of > > > > > > the beholder. the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars (or > > > > > Mirror) , > > > > > > but in ourselves, that we are underlings. " > > > > > > > > > > > > .........Julius bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like i said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you said somethin? where and when was that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't get too excited, now, bob > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > no fear of that, but if you can't tell me where or when...can you > > > tell me at least 'what' it was you said...or why....I already know > > > how you tried to say something, so no need to help me out there. so > > > along with the boys let me say while I wait in wonder and > > expectation > > > your informative answer, let me add: > > > > > > Come on come on come on come on > > > Come on is such a joy > > > Come on is such a joy > > > Come on take it easy > > > Come on take it easy > > > Take it easy take it easy > > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > > > The deeper you go the higher you fly > > > The higher you fly the deeper you go > > > So come on come on > > > Come on is such a joy > > > Come on is such a joy > > > Come on make it easy > > > Come on make it easy. > > > > > > Take it easy take it easy > > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > > > Your inside is out and your outside is in > > > Your outside is in and your inside is out > > > So come on come on > > > Come on is such a joy > > > Come on is such a joy > > > Come on make it easy > > > Come on make it easy > > > Make it easy make it easy > > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. > > > > > > > > > > > > beatle bob > > > > > > > > > how quickly we forget > > > > > > ... > > > > > > what's to remeber......and who's to do that? > > > > you tell me > > > ... > ottid the Mirror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > >>Jesus was > > >>observing not only the Pharisees but his own diciples and incarnate > > >>self as Man....this was one of his most self depreciatory statements > > > > It was not a self depreciatory statement nor was Jesus talking of > > himself. Whoever has a Bible can read that Jesus was speaking only of > > the Pharasees and advising his disciples to, " Let them alone: they be > > blind leaders of the blind. " (1st part of the previously quoted verse) > > Any interpretation beyond this is imagination gone wild. > > > > Another quote: " Don't follow leaders; watch the parking > meters. " ___Bob > > Dylan > > > > > I didn't say Jesus was talking to, or only himself. Where do you read > that in the posting? I said he wasn't talking MERELY about the > Pharisees, but also himself. Jesus talked about all men including > Himself at all times. He was not trying to put on the facada of being > the Big Kahuna who issued statements from the mount about everyone > except himself, that crap came latter when would be diciples and moon > eyed idealists started creating a 'church' ABOUT Jesus, rather than > living His teachings or maybe starting a 'church or school and school > of thought' proselethysing his thoughts and ideas for, and about all > mankind. Any interpretation that disallows this, or thinks that the > fuller meaning or context is ipso facto wrong, bespeaks the mind of the > little old " Church Lady " of Saturday Night Live fame, who would > undoubtedly ask, " Could it be..... Satan " regarding the truth of this > idea. Or are you still in that elementary school being informed by the > nuns who also taught that Jesus' garment grew along with him and that > every miracle in the New Testament is God's Honest Truth and happened > just that way? Give us a break......I'd suggest you stick to watching > parking meters or get a grip, grow up, and stop believing the dead word > of the New Testament and start listening to it's living Truth. > > ......bob Let me remind you that Jesus said about himself, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. " He knew his divinity, even though you may not. You tell me to grow up, but you have the childish imagination to add a whole story out of a simple Bible verse and then call this fiction " the fuller meaning " . Like Freud said, " Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar " . I'm speaking to facts. You seem to respond by a personal attack on me. If I were a person I might care about your nonsense. Anyway, my style is to say something, let the person respond and then to be silent. In your case I made this exception of replying but won't continue with this thread. Be well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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