Guest guest Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 <snip> > > Bill: > > Cute... but you seem to have missed my point. > > My point was that if you have a concern about > > earnestness being misplaced/misdirected, then > > shouldn't you also apply it to that concern as > > well? Perhaps your concern about earnestness > > being misplaced/misdirected is itself misplaced/ > > misdirected. > > > Noel: > Is this the obfuscatorium? not my intent... but a subtle point... sorry if not clear. > > Indeed, I think you were not *really* listening to me, > Bill. This of course speaks to my certainty about > what may or may not occur here...don't you think? > Though not spelled out, take a second look or listen. > Having such a concern may be a signal of one who is > earnest about earnestness Yes! And I do sense that from you... a genuine seriousness. Which is why I have put the energy into this thread that I have. > > > > Bill: > > > > > > > > > > The " inquiry " is one of cutting through the > > lines/ > > > > layers of thought, of getting to the root, the > > > > source > > > > of what is arising as a thought, as a question, > > > > as a desire etc. To cut through the lines of > > thought > > > > is to go past the meaning of the words to the > > > > energies, > > > > the vibrations out of which the question arises. > > > > When you go that deep you are surely closer to > > > > realizing " who " is asking than if you seek > > verbal > > > > answers, which can go on endlessly > > labyrinthine... > > > > > > > Noel: > > > If the only thing sought is realization of 'who' > > is > > > asking, it seems like a waste of time to 'cut > > through > > > lines of thought'. > > > > > > Perhaps one must apply earnestness to the > > Matryoshka > > > Nesting Doll before arriving at the Salt Doll. > > > > > > Bill: > > You can't be thinking in terms of a/the " goal " ... > > it is a going earnestly into whatever is " there " , > > just digging deeper, regardless... > > > > When thinking in terms of a goal then the mind is > > running the show and the show is going nowhere. > > > > Noel: > Welllllll...is there a human being who does anything > without a goal? Not sure if there is. Just because > thought says I do not have any goals, doesn't mean it > is true. Let me put it another way... *as I see it* the real motivation has to be to know/ realize the truth. Concern about results/outcomes have to be left by the wayside. As the saying goes, you can't serve two masters. > But, Matryoshka is not so much of a goal as metaphor > like 'cutting through lines of thought'. I just like > Matryoshka better. Each figure is 'captive' one > inside the other and in the end the biggest doll > consumes the lot. Think about that for a bit. Yes, and I understand that. And what " clicks " for you is what is going to be useful for you. > > > > I think back on all of the times 'I' thought 'I' > > had > > > found *it " . In those times 'I' thought 'I' was > > honest > > > and willing, indeed, perhaps too willing. In > > > retrospect I was honest and willing, but there > > were > > > things I could not see. See? > > > > > Bill: > > And yet you grew from that. > > Noel: > Thank you for the vote of confidence. > Wasn't hard. From your description it was clear you were in earnest at that time. Hey, I've had so many breakthroughs that seemed to be the ultimate... I can't tell you. They weren't so ultimate afterall, but they were important steps nevertheless. Just because overrated doesn't mean they were nothing. > > Bill: > > > > Nis on ornaments and gold: > > > > > > > > Just like gold made into ornaments has no > > advantage > > > > over gold dust, except when the mind makes it > > so, > > > > so are we one in being -- we differ only in > > > > appearance. We discover it by being earnest, by > > > > searching, enquiring, questioning daily and > > hourly, > > > > by giving one's life to this discovery. > > > > > > > > - I Am That, ch 2 > > Noel: > > > How about fools gold? > > Bill: > > Fool's Gold is getting distracted by thought. > > > Noel: > Precisely. > ) Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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