Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... pure being...souring on the heart of light... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > ...iietsa > there is nothing but presence and the awareness of thought in light all is made indivisible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > awareness of thought > > in light all is made indivisible > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... ....a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this presence... and from that point of view...there is duality... and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not done to (awaken) awareness to all this... how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > awareness of thought > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this presence... > and from that point of view...there is duality... > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not done > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > ...iietsa .... " light " belong to someone special...?... is it " yours " ...? Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this presence... > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not done > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > ...iietsa > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > Marc > > attention is the open door to what is... and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... it can also be said that when you are the openness itself you are the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes with presence... now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... but your question refers to identifying with mind...the inattention of attention.... my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... it is only a shift in attention... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > presence... > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not > done > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > attention is the open door to what is... > and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... > it can also be said that when you are the openness itself you are > the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... > and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes with > presence... > now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... > but your question refers to identifying with mind...the inattention > of attention.... > my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... > it is only a shift in attention... > > ...iietsa ....when there is light.....there is also " attention " .....and also an " open door " .... ok...yes... when there is light.....it is given to " you " ..... ....It is given to whole of.... " situation " ....which include maybe many things.....and also " you " .... it is maybe not of question in how to " share " light.... wherever/whenever awarereness of the Whole is there.....there is also light Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > ...iietsa > how do you define the word souring? misuse? Definitions of sour on the Web: * smelling of fermentation or staleness * having a sharp biting taste * one of the four basic taste sensations; like the taste of vinegar or lemons * off: in an unpalatable state; " sour milk " * a cocktail made of a liquor (especially whiskey or gin) mixed with lemon or lime juice and sugar * the taste experience when vinegar or lemon juice is taken into the mouth * go sour or spoil; " The milk has soured " ; " The wine worked " ; " The cream has turned--we have to throw it out " * false: inaccurate in pitch; " a false (or sour) note " ; " her singing was off key " * make sour or more sour * dark: showing a brooding ill humor; " a dark scowl " ; " the proverbially dour New England Puritan " ; " a glum, hopeless shrug " ; " he sat in moody silence " ; " a morose and unsociable manner " ; " a saturnine, almost misanthropic young genius " - Bruce Bliven; " a sour temper " ; " a sullen crowd " * sourness: the property of being acidic wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn * Human taste sensory organs, called taste buds or gustatory calyculi, and concentrated on the upper surface of the tongue, appear to be receptive to relatively few chemical species as tastes. This contrasts markedly with the sense of olfaction, where very large numbers of different species can be differentiated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour * A short drink consisting of liquor, lemon/lime juice and sugar. www.drinksmixer.com/guide/2-1.php * Sharply acidic or vinegary www.sallys-place.com/beverages/wine/wine_glossery.htm * not to be confused with acidity. A distinctively sour, rank or rancid taste is a defect often due to improper processing. www.kobricks.com/1terminology.html * tart flavors reminiscent of unripe fruit, not to be confused with acidity www.hartfordcoffeecompany.com/learn/Tasting * Almost a synonym for ACIDIC. Implies presence of acetic acid plus excess acid component. (Is also one of the four basic taste sensations detected by the human tongue). www.zuccafoods.com/wine/terms_phrases/terms_phrases.htm * Refers to a wine with sharp acidity. www.valleyvineyards.com/wine_glossary_stuv.htm * Wine which has turned into vinegar or which is in the process of doing so due to an excessive acidity. www.hintsandthings.co.uk/livingroom/glossaryRSTUVWXYZ.htm * The odour/flavour stimulus associated with acidic compounds such as vinegar and characterized by a pungent sensation. (aigre) www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/fispoi/manman/samnem/define.shtml * Disagreeable acidity (Vinegar). www.knowine.com/html/glossary.html * Only one thing to do - down the drain it goes. www.winesoftheworld.com/news/static/article_21.asp * The taste sensation of acid. Not to be confused with bitter, which is the taste of some tannins. www.marylandwine.com/wineries/appreciation/glossary2.html * is a particular taste linked to bacterial fermentation of green coffee beans, that produces a lactic acid from the lactose and acetic acid from alcohol. www.ultimate-coffees-info.com/coffees-tastes.html * A perfume is said to smell sour when it has aged prematurely owing to inappropriate storage. When this happens, chemical alterations occur which are irreversible, and the perfume must be considered " off. " www.auntjudysattic.com/About_Perfume.htm * A disagreeable taste, acid, vinegary, indicating a spoiled, undrinkable wine. Not to be confused with tartness, astringency or dryness. www.lynnwoodinn.com/content/wineterm.htm * The acid taste of wines that are made from unripe grapes. www.homemadewine.net/glossary/glossaryS.htm * Similar to TART in sensation, but usually imparts more of a green or underripe fruit quality, than by acids. www.grape-nutz.com/tastings/glossary.html * Unpleasant flavor having a sharp, acid taste. Different from acidity. www.grayskies.net/honeybear/terms.htm * spirit, lemon juice, sugar, angostura bitters and egg white, shaken. www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5514/glossary.htm * Related to over-acidity; a sharp, biting flavor, often from under ripe beans. www.roastedcoffeebean.com/coffeterms.html * Very acidic and possibly vinegary in taste. Not a good wine. www.viennatonight.com/main/terms.htm * Over acid, often vinegary. Sourness is an undesirable quality that will not disappear with aging. www.lovewine.org/ * Undesirable " diry socks " flavor of over-fermentation. www.making-coffee.com/terminology/tasting.php * Wine which is so high in acid that it is out of balance. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > presence... > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not > > done > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > > > > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > attention is the open door to what is... > > and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... > > it can also be said that when you are the openness itself you are > > the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... > > and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes with > > presence... > > now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... > > but your question refers to identifying with mind...the inattention > > of attention.... > > my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... > > it is only a shift in attention... > > > > ...iietsa > > > ...when there is light.....there is also " attention " .....and also > an " open door " .... > > ok...yes... > > when there is light.....it is given to " you " ..... > > ...It is given to whole of.... " situation " ....which include maybe many > things.....and also " you " .... > > it is maybe not of question in how to " share " light.... > > wherever/whenever awarereness of the Whole is there.....there is also > light > > > Marc > there is no need to go and try to awaken the light...ok but if there is not awareness of this beingness itself... ....but inattention that there is identification with... there is a knot in the energyflow...this knot does not matter to the light...but to the knottaking-itself to be a separate thing with an separate existens...not everything is in lightness... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > presence... > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > presence... > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > not > > > done > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > > > > > > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > attention is the open door to what is... > > > and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... > > > it can also be said that when you are the openness itself you > are > > > the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... > > > and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes with > > > presence... > > > now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... > > > but your question refers to identifying with mind...the > inattention > > > of attention.... > > > my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... > > > it is only a shift in attention... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ...when there is light.....there is also " attention " .....and also > > an " open door " .... > > > > ok...yes... > > > > when there is light.....it is given to " you " ..... > > > > ...It is given to whole of.... " situation " ....which include maybe > many > > things.....and also " you " .... > > > > it is maybe not of question in how to " share " light.... > > > > wherever/whenever awarereness of the Whole is there.....there is > also > > light > > > > > > Marc > > > there is no need to go and try to awaken the light...ok > but if there is not awareness of this beingness itself... > ...but inattention that there is identification with... > there is a knot in the energyflow...this knot does not matter to the > light...but to the knottaking-itself to be a separate thing with an > separate existens...not everything is in lightness... > ...iietsa yes... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > presence... > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > presence... > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > not > > > done > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > > > > > > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > attention is the open door to what is... > > > and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... > > > it can also be said that when you are the openness itself you > are > > > the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... > > > and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes with > > > presence... > > > now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... > > > but your question refers to identifying with mind...the > inattention > > > of attention.... > > > my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... > > > it is only a shift in attention... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ...when there is light.....there is also " attention " .....and also > > an " open door " .... > > > > ok...yes... > > > > when there is light.....it is given to " you " ..... > > > > ...It is given to whole of.... " situation " ....which include maybe > many > > things.....and also " you " .... > > > > it is maybe not of question in how to " share " light.... > > > > wherever/whenever awarereness of the Whole is there.....there is > also > > light > > > > > > Marc > > > there is no need to go and try to awaken the light...ok > but if there is not awareness of this beingness itself... > ...but inattention that there is identification with... > there is a knot in the energyflow...this knot does not matter to the > light...but to the knottaking-itself to be a separate thing with an > separate existens...not everything is in lightness... > ...iietsa > the not everything is in lightness is itself light ance, but from a different reson ance ~ it is always your reson ance in reson ance ~ that makes light or dark ance light or dark ance .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > presence... > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > presence... > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > > not > > > > done > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > > > > > > > > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention is the open door to what is... > > > > and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... > > > > it can also be said that when you are the openness itself you > > are > > > > the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... > > > > and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes with > > > > presence... > > > > now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... > > > > but your question refers to identifying with mind...the > > inattention > > > > of attention.... > > > > my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... > > > > it is only a shift in attention... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > ...when there is light.....there is also " attention " .....and also > > > an " open door " .... > > > > > > ok...yes... > > > > > > when there is light.....it is given to " you " ..... > > > > > > ...It is given to whole of.... " situation " ....which include maybe > > many > > > things.....and also " you " .... > > > > > > it is maybe not of question in how to " share " light.... > > > > > > wherever/whenever awarereness of the Whole is there.....there is > > also > > > light > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > there is no need to go and try to awaken the light...ok > > but if there is not awareness of this beingness itself... > > ...but inattention that there is identification with... > > there is a knot in the energyflow...this knot does not matter to > the > > light...but to the knottaking-itself to be a separate thing with an > > separate existens...not everything is in lightness... > > ...iietsa > > > yes... > > > Marc > > > > > still everything IS en light ance .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > ...iietsa > > > > > how do you define > > the word > > souring? > > misuse? > > Definitions of sour on the Web: > > * smelling of fermentation or staleness > * having a sharp biting taste > * one of the four basic taste sensations; like the taste of > vinegar or lemons > * off: in an unpalatable state; " sour milk " > * a cocktail made of a liquor (especially whiskey or gin) mixed > with lemon or lime juice and sugar > * the taste experience when vinegar or lemon juice is taken into > the mouth > * go sour or spoil; " The milk has soured " ; " The wine worked " ; " The > cream has turned--we have to throw it out " > * false: inaccurate in pitch; " a false (or sour) note " ; " her > singing was off key " > * make sour or more sour > * dark: showing a brooding ill humor; " a dark scowl " ; " the > proverbially dour New England Puritan " ; " a glum, hopeless shrug " ; " he > sat in moody silence " ; " a morose and unsociable manner " ; " a saturnine, > almost misanthropic young genius " - Bruce Bliven; " a sour temper " ; " a > sullen crowd " > * sourness: the property of being acidic > wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > > * Human taste sensory organs, called taste buds or gustatory > calyculi, and concentrated on the upper surface of the tongue, appear > to be receptive to relatively few chemical species as tastes. This > contrasts markedly with the sense of olfaction, where very large > numbers of different species can be differentiated. > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour > > * A short drink consisting of liquor, lemon/lime juice and sugar. > www.drinksmixer.com/guide/2-1.php > > * Sharply acidic or vinegary > www.sallys-place.com/beverages/wine/wine_glossery.htm > > * not to be confused with acidity. A distinctively sour, rank or > rancid taste is a defect often due to improper processing. > www.kobricks.com/1terminology.html > > * tart flavors reminiscent of unripe fruit, not to be confused > with acidity > www.hartfordcoffeecompany.com/learn/Tasting > > * Almost a synonym for ACIDIC. Implies presence of acetic acid > plus excess acid component. (Is also one of the four basic taste > sensations detected by the human tongue). > www.zuccafoods.com/wine/terms_phrases/terms_phrases.htm > > * Refers to a wine with sharp acidity. > www.valleyvineyards.com/wine_glossary_stuv.htm > > * Wine which has turned into vinegar or which is in the process of > doing so due to an excessive acidity. > www.hintsandthings.co.uk/livingroom/glossaryRSTUVWXYZ.htm > > * The odour/flavour stimulus associated with acidic compounds such > as vinegar and characterized by a pungent sensation. (aigre) > www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/fispoi/manman/samnem/define.shtml > > * Disagreeable acidity (Vinegar). > www.knowine.com/html/glossary.html > > * Only one thing to do - down the drain it goes. > www.winesoftheworld.com/news/static/article_21.asp > > * The taste sensation of acid. Not to be confused with bitter, > which is the taste of some tannins. > www.marylandwine.com/wineries/appreciation/glossary2.html > > * is a particular taste linked to bacterial fermentation of green > coffee beans, that produces a lactic acid from the lactose and acetic > acid from alcohol. > www.ultimate-coffees-info.com/coffees-tastes.html > > * A perfume is said to smell sour when it has aged prematurely > owing to inappropriate storage. When this happens, chemical > alterations occur which are irreversible, and the perfume must be > considered " off. " > www.auntjudysattic.com/About_Perfume.htm > > * A disagreeable taste, acid, vinegary, indicating a spoiled, > undrinkable wine. Not to be confused with tartness, astringency or > dryness. > www.lynnwoodinn.com/content/wineterm.htm > > * The acid taste of wines that are made from unripe grapes. > www.homemadewine.net/glossary/glossaryS.htm > > * Similar to TART in sensation, but usually imparts more of a > green or underripe fruit quality, than by acids. > www.grape-nutz.com/tastings/glossary.html > > * Unpleasant flavor having a sharp, acid taste. Different from > acidity. > www.grayskies.net/honeybear/terms.htm > > * spirit, lemon juice, sugar, angostura bitters and egg white, shaken. > www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5514/glossary.htm > > * Related to over-acidity; a sharp, biting flavor, often from > under ripe beans. > www.roastedcoffeebean.com/coffeterms.html > > * Very acidic and possibly vinegary in taste. Not a good wine. > www.viennatonight.com/main/terms.htm > > * Over acid, often vinegary. Sourness is an undesirable quality > that will not disappear with aging. > www.lovewine.org/ > > * Undesirable " diry socks " flavor of over-fermentation. > www.making-coffee.com/terminology/tasting.php > > * Wine which is so high in acid that it is out of balance. ... > sorry...souring is not the right word ....its soaring... thanks for noticing......SOARING.... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > how do you define > > > > the word > > > > souring? > > > > misuse? > > > > Definitions of sour on the Web: > > > > * smelling of fermentation or staleness > > * having a sharp biting taste > > * one of the four basic taste sensations; like the taste of > > vinegar or lemons > > * off: in an unpalatable state; " sour milk " > > * a cocktail made of a liquor (especially whiskey or gin) mixed > > with lemon or lime juice and sugar > > * the taste experience when vinegar or lemon juice is taken > into > > the mouth > > * go sour or spoil; " The milk has soured " ; " The wine > worked " ; " The > > cream has turned--we have to throw it out " > > * false: inaccurate in pitch; " a false (or sour) note " ; " her > > singing was off key " > > * make sour or more sour > > * dark: showing a brooding ill humor; " a dark scowl " ; " the > > proverbially dour New England Puritan " ; " a glum, hopeless > shrug " ; " he > > sat in moody silence " ; " a morose and unsociable manner " ; " a > saturnine, > > almost misanthropic young genius " - Bruce Bliven; " a sour > temper " ; " a > > sullen crowd " > > * sourness: the property of being acidic > > wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > > > > * Human taste sensory organs, called taste buds or gustatory > > calyculi, and concentrated on the upper surface of the tongue, > appear > > to be receptive to relatively few chemical species as tastes. This > > contrasts markedly with the sense of olfaction, where very large > > numbers of different species can be differentiated. > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour > > > > * A short drink consisting of liquor, lemon/lime juice and > sugar. > > www.drinksmixer.com/guide/2-1.php > > > > * Sharply acidic or vinegary > > www.sallys-place.com/beverages/wine/wine_glossery.htm > > > > * not to be confused with acidity. A distinctively sour, rank > or > > rancid taste is a defect often due to improper processing. > > www.kobricks.com/1terminology.html > > > > * tart flavors reminiscent of unripe fruit, not to be confused > > with acidity > > www.hartfordcoffeecompany.com/learn/Tasting > > > > * Almost a synonym for ACIDIC. Implies presence of acetic acid > > plus excess acid component. (Is also one of the four basic taste > > sensations detected by the human tongue). > > www.zuccafoods.com/wine/terms_phrases/terms_phrases.htm > > > > * Refers to a wine with sharp acidity. > > www.valleyvineyards.com/wine_glossary_stuv.htm > > > > * Wine which has turned into vinegar or which is in the > process of > > doing so due to an excessive acidity. > > www.hintsandthings.co.uk/livingroom/glossaryRSTUVWXYZ.htm > > > > * The odour/flavour stimulus associated with acidic compounds > such > > as vinegar and characterized by a pungent sensation. (aigre) > > > www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/fispoi/manman/samnem/define.shtml > > > > * Disagreeable acidity (Vinegar). > > www.knowine.com/html/glossary.html > > > > * Only one thing to do - down the drain it goes. > > www.winesoftheworld.com/news/static/article_21.asp > > > > * The taste sensation of acid. Not to be confused with bitter, > > which is the taste of some tannins. > > www.marylandwine.com/wineries/appreciation/glossary2.html > > > > * is a particular taste linked to bacterial fermentation of > green > > coffee beans, that produces a lactic acid from the lactose and > acetic > > acid from alcohol. > > www.ultimate-coffees-info.com/coffees-tastes.html > > > > * A perfume is said to smell sour when it has aged prematurely > > owing to inappropriate storage. When this happens, chemical > > alterations occur which are irreversible, and the perfume must be > > considered " off. " > > www.auntjudysattic.com/About_Perfume.htm > > > > * A disagreeable taste, acid, vinegary, indicating a spoiled, > > undrinkable wine. Not to be confused with tartness, astringency or > > dryness. > > www.lynnwoodinn.com/content/wineterm.htm > > > > * The acid taste of wines that are made from unripe grapes. > > www.homemadewine.net/glossary/glossaryS.htm > > > > * Similar to TART in sensation, but usually imparts more of a > > green or underripe fruit quality, than by acids. > > www.grape-nutz.com/tastings/glossary.html > > > > * Unpleasant flavor having a sharp, acid taste. Different from > > acidity. > > www.grayskies.net/honeybear/terms.htm > > > > * spirit, lemon juice, sugar, angostura bitters and egg white, > shaken. > > www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5514/glossary.htm > > > > * Related to over-acidity; a sharp, biting flavor, often from > > under ripe beans. > > www.roastedcoffeebean.com/coffeterms.html > > > > * Very acidic and possibly vinegary in taste. Not a good wine. > > www.viennatonight.com/main/terms.htm > > > > * Over acid, often vinegary. Sourness is an undesirable quality > > that will not disappear with aging. > > www.lovewine.org/ > > > > * Undesirable " diry socks " flavor of over-fermentation. > > www.making-coffee.com/terminology/tasting.php > > > > * Wine which is so high in acid that it is out of balance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > sorry...souring is not the right word ....its soaring... > thanks for noticing......SOARING.... > ...iietsa > ((; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this presence... > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not done > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > all are already nondual > > duality only appears > > when invented > > invited > > intended > > such is the limitlessness > > of nonduality > > no? > > in nonduality > > all is/are/am > > nondual > > no? > > > ... > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views this is not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... there is of course no one to free... but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a fact...when there is nothing but love... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > presence... > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > presence... > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > > not > > > > done > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > > > > > > > > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention is the open door to what is... > > > > and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... > > > > it can also be said that when you are the openness itself you > > are > > > > the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... > > > > and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes with > > > > presence... > > > > now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... > > > > but your question refers to identifying with mind...the > > inattention > > > > of attention.... > > > > my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... > > > > it is only a shift in attention... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > ...when there is light.....there is also " attention " .....and also > > > an " open door " .... > > > > > > ok...yes... > > > > > > when there is light.....it is given to " you " ..... > > > > > > ...It is given to whole of.... " situation " ....which include maybe > > many > > > things.....and also " you " .... > > > > > > it is maybe not of question in how to " share " light.... > > > > > > wherever/whenever awarereness of the Whole is there.....there is > > also > > > light > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > there is no need to go and try to awaken the light...ok > > but if there is not awareness of this beingness itself... > > ...but inattention that there is identification with... > > there is a knot in the energyflow...this knot does not matter to the > > light...but to the knottaking-itself to be a separate thing with an > > separate existens...not everything is in lightness... > > ...iietsa > > > > > the > > not everything is in lightness > > is itself light ance, > > but from a different reson ance > > ~ > > it is always your reson ance > > in reson ance ~ > > that makes light or dark ance > > light or dark ance > > > ... > attention turns darkness into light darkness was only because of inattention only give attention to what is...and all is light...one light ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > presence... > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not > done > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > duality only appears > > > > when invented > > > > invited > > > > intended > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > of nonduality > > > > no? > > > > in nonduality > > > > all is/are/am > > > > nondual > > > > no? > > > > > > ... > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views this is > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > there is of course no one to free... > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a fact...when > there is nothing but love... > ...iietsa > because as *imagined suffering continues* ~ is permitted to coninue ~ it becomes evident that it is was will always be nothing but love ~ it is only the interruption ~ that makes imagined suffering ~ seem ~ imagined suffering .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is > not... > > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done > or > > > not > > > > > done > > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified > darkness ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... " light " belong to someone special...?... > > > > > > > > > > > > is it " yours " ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention is the open door to what is... > > > > > and when this door is open...what is comes in full bloom... > > > > > it can also be said that when you are the openness itself > you > > > are > > > > > the light...it is not yours to hold...it is yours to give... > > > > > and whatever you give attention...lights up...and burnes > with > > > > > presence... > > > > > now...maby this is not a direct answer to your question... > > > > > but your question refers to identifying with mind...the > > > inattention > > > > > of attention.... > > > > > my saing refers to the attention to the inattention... > > > > > it is only a shift in attention... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > ...when there is light.....there is also " attention " .....and > also > > > > an " open door " .... > > > > > > > > ok...yes... > > > > > > > > when there is light.....it is given to " you " ..... > > > > > > > > ...It is given to whole of.... " situation " ....which include > maybe > > > many > > > > things.....and also " you " .... > > > > > > > > it is maybe not of question in how to " share " light.... > > > > > > > > wherever/whenever awarereness of the Whole is there.....there > is > > > also > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > there is no need to go and try to awaken the light...ok > > > but if there is not awareness of this beingness itself... > > > ...but inattention that there is identification with... > > > there is a knot in the energyflow...this knot does not matter to > the > > > light...but to the knottaking-itself to be a separate thing with > an > > > separate existens...not everything is in lightness... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > the > > > > not everything is in lightness > > > > is itself light ance, > > > > but from a different reson ance > > > > ~ > > > > it is always your reson ance > > > > in reson ance ~ > > > > that makes light or dark ance > > > > light or dark ance > > > > > > ... > > > attention turns darkness into light > darkness was only because of inattention > only give attention to what is...and all is light...one light > ...iietsa > attention without tension ~ is love ~ open ~ in ascension ~ .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > presence... > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not > > done > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > invited > > > > > > intended > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > no? > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views this is > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > there is of course no one to free... > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a fact...when > > there is nothing but love... > > ...iietsa > > > > > because as > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > it becomes evident > > that it is was will always be > > nothing but love ~ > > it is only the interruption ~ > > that makes imagined suffering > > ~ seem ~ > > imagined suffering > > > ... > yes...you know that... love...loves all...in oneness... and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. but your neighbour might disagree... and continue to be what he is not... in the imagined suffering... like a bird in a cage... of course there is no bird and there is no cage... but he lives by his understanding... so this whole identification-buisness continues... are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing sufferers to live their imagined lifes... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > presence... > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > presence... > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > not > > > done > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views > this is > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > fact...when > > > there is nothing but love... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > it becomes evident > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > ... > > > yes...you know that... > love...loves all...in oneness... > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > but your neighbour might disagree... > and continue to be what he is not... > in the imagined suffering... > like a bird in a cage... > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > but he lives by his understanding... > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > ...iietsa > i am the appearing sufferers i am the love in oneness when i vibrate in oneness they do too when i vibrate in " suffering " they vibrate in suffering, too there is no one nor two there is only the tune we play as we meet as we meet as we meet .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > presence... > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > presence... > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > not > > > done > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views > this is > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > fact...when > > > there is nothing but love... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > it becomes evident > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > ... > > > yes...you know that... > love...loves all...in oneness... > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > but your neighbour might disagree... > and continue to be what he is not... > in the imagined suffering... > like a bird in a cage... > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > but he lives by his understanding... > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > ...iietsa maybe it depend on how much is your attachment to this (appearing) sufferers.... and also...how much is your attachment to suffering it's rare that someone get birh....and is already detached from suffering.....from the (appearing) world.... during life-time.....one slowly develop this detachment.... depending the inner wish to be free as long this attachments work.....maybe one shouldn't ignore....the inner voice/intiution/inspiration ....and do something.....what one feel to do/help/love.... it is like one is attached by many invisible knots....to the world('s sufferings) one day....it's possible....to feel that there are no more such attachments....and one become aware of some liberation... and also aware of the attachments in which one had lived before ....few words Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > awareness of thought > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this presence... > and from that point of view...there is duality... > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not done > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > ...iietsa > only the mind says yes... but..., only the heart asks why...if..., only the light of awareness knows how the heart and mind meet in this moment of love, gathering all thoughts and hearts into an indivisible One. sat-chit-ananda anna's bones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > presence... > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > presence... > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > > not > > > > done > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views > > this is > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > > fact...when > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > yes...you know that... > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > and continue to be what he is not... > > in the imagined suffering... > > like a bird in a cage... > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > but he lives by his understanding... > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > ...iietsa > > > > > i am the appearing sufferers > > i am the love in oneness > > when i vibrate in oneness > > they do too > > when i vibrate in " suffering " > > they vibrate in suffering, too > > there is no one > > nor two > > there is only the > > > > tune > > > > we play > > as we meet > > as we meet > > as we meet > > > > ... > ok...you are the one...and you are all and everything... this is so for you and everthing... but this is not realized everywhere... this onness is not aware of itself everywhere... are you saying ...let the oneness that delude itself to be only mind by identification live such an imagined life...do not put the light of oneness over this misunderstanding...dont give light to what appears to live in the dark... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is > not... > > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done > or > > > not > > > > > done > > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified > darkness ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views > > > this is > > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > > > fact...when > > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > yes...you know that... > > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > > and continue to be what he is not... > > > in the imagined suffering... > > > like a bird in a cage... > > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > > but he lives by his understanding... > > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > i am the appearing sufferers > > > > i am the love in oneness > > > > when i vibrate in oneness > > > > they do too > > > > when i vibrate in " suffering " > > > > they vibrate in suffering, too > > > > there is no one > > > > nor two > > > > there is only the > > > > > > > > tune > > > > > > > > we play > > > > as we meet > > > > as we meet > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > ... > > > ok...you are the one...and you are all and everything... > this is so for you and everthing... > but this is not realized everywhere... > this onness is not aware of itself everywhere... > are you saying ...let the oneness that delude itself to be only mind > by identification live such an imagined life...do not put the light > of oneness over this misunderstanding...dont give light to what > appears to live in the dark... > ...iietsa > why not? the suffering is only my imagination projection the " truth " is only in the meeting the truth is only in our meeting all else is fiction .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do you define > > > > > > the word > > > > > > souring? > > > > > > misuse? > > > > > > Definitions of sour on the Web: > > > > > > * smelling of fermentation or staleness > > > * having a sharp biting taste > > > * one of the four basic taste sensations; like the taste of > > > vinegar or lemons > > > * off: in an unpalatable state; " sour milk " > > > * a cocktail made of a liquor (especially whiskey or gin) mixed > > > with lemon or lime juice and sugar > > > * the taste experience when vinegar or lemon juice is taken > > into > > > the mouth > > > * go sour or spoil; " The milk has soured " ; " The wine > > worked " ; " The > > > cream has turned--we have to throw it out " > > > * false: inaccurate in pitch; " a false (or sour) note " ; " her > > > singing was off key " > > > * make sour or more sour > > > * dark: showing a brooding ill humor; " a dark scowl " ; " the > > > proverbially dour New England Puritan " ; " a glum, hopeless > > shrug " ; " he > > > sat in moody silence " ; " a morose and unsociable manner " ; " a > > saturnine, > > > almost misanthropic young genius " - Bruce Bliven; " a sour > > temper " ; " a > > > sullen crowd " > > > * sourness: the property of being acidic > > > wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > > > > > > * Human taste sensory organs, called taste buds or gustatory > > > calyculi, and concentrated on the upper surface of the tongue, > > appear > > > to be receptive to relatively few chemical species as tastes. This > > > contrasts markedly with the sense of olfaction, where very large > > > numbers of different species can be differentiated. > > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sour > > > > > > * A short drink consisting of liquor, lemon/lime juice and > > sugar. > > > www.drinksmixer.com/guide/2-1.php > > > > > > * Sharply acidic or vinegary > > > www.sallys-place.com/beverages/wine/wine_glossery.htm > > > > > > * not to be confused with acidity. A distinctively sour, rank > > or > > > rancid taste is a defect often due to improper processing. > > > www.kobricks.com/1terminology.html > > > > > > * tart flavors reminiscent of unripe fruit, not to be confused > > > with acidity > > > www.hartfordcoffeecompany.com/learn/Tasting > > > > > > * Almost a synonym for ACIDIC. Implies presence of acetic acid > > > plus excess acid component. (Is also one of the four basic taste > > > sensations detected by the human tongue). > > > www.zuccafoods.com/wine/terms_phrases/terms_phrases.htm > > > > > > * Refers to a wine with sharp acidity. > > > www.valleyvineyards.com/wine_glossary_stuv.htm > > > > > > * Wine which has turned into vinegar or which is in the > > process of > > > doing so due to an excessive acidity. > > > www.hintsandthings.co.uk/livingroom/glossaryRSTUVWXYZ.htm > > > > > > * The odour/flavour stimulus associated with acidic compounds > > such > > > as vinegar and characterized by a pungent sensation. (aigre) > > > > > www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/fispoi/manman/samnem/define.shtml > > > > > > * Disagreeable acidity (Vinegar). > > > www.knowine.com/html/glossary.html > > > > > > * Only one thing to do - down the drain it goes. > > > www.winesoftheworld.com/news/static/article_21.asp > > > > > > * The taste sensation of acid. Not to be confused with bitter, > > > which is the taste of some tannins. > > > www.marylandwine.com/wineries/appreciation/glossary2.html > > > > > > * is a particular taste linked to bacterial fermentation of > > green > > > coffee beans, that produces a lactic acid from the lactose and > > acetic > > > acid from alcohol. > > > www.ultimate-coffees-info.com/coffees-tastes.html > > > > > > * A perfume is said to smell sour when it has aged prematurely > > > owing to inappropriate storage. When this happens, chemical > > > alterations occur which are irreversible, and the perfume must be > > > considered " off. " > > > www.auntjudysattic.com/About_Perfume.htm > > > > > > * A disagreeable taste, acid, vinegary, indicating a spoiled, > > > undrinkable wine. Not to be confused with tartness, astringency or > > > dryness. > > > www.lynnwoodinn.com/content/wineterm.htm > > > > > > * The acid taste of wines that are made from unripe grapes. > > > www.homemadewine.net/glossary/glossaryS.htm > > > > > > * Similar to TART in sensation, but usually imparts more of a > > > green or underripe fruit quality, than by acids. > > > www.grape-nutz.com/tastings/glossary.html > > > > > > * Unpleasant flavor having a sharp, acid taste. Different from > > > acidity. > > > www.grayskies.net/honeybear/terms.htm > > > > > > * spirit, lemon juice, sugar, angostura bitters and egg white, > > shaken. > > > www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5514/glossary.htm > > > > > > * Related to over-acidity; a sharp, biting flavor, often from > > > under ripe beans. > > > www.roastedcoffeebean.com/coffeterms.html > > > > > > * Very acidic and possibly vinegary in taste. Not a good wine. > > > www.viennatonight.com/main/terms.htm > > > > > > * Over acid, often vinegary. Sourness is an undesirable quality > > > that will not disappear with aging. > > > www.lovewine.org/ > > > > > > * Undesirable " diry socks " flavor of over-fermentation. > > > www.making-coffee.com/terminology/tasting.php > > > > > > * Wine which is so high in acid that it is out of balance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > sorry...souring is not the right word ....its soaring... > > thanks for noticing......SOARING.... > > ...iietsa > > > > > ((; > me thinks 'we' all noticed the soaring was not souring up up and away!! beyond the beyond!! superman and buzz lightyear anna's bones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > presence... > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > presence... > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or > > not > > > > done > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views > > this is > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > > fact...when > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > yes...you know that... > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > and continue to be what he is not... > > in the imagined suffering... > > like a bird in a cage... > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > but he lives by his understanding... > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > ...iietsa > > > maybe it depend on how much is your attachment to this (appearing) > sufferers.... > and also...how much is your attachment to suffering > > it's rare that someone get birh....and is already detached from > suffering.....from the (appearing) world.... > > during life-time.....one slowly develop this detachment.... > depending the inner wish to be free > > as long this attachments work.....maybe one shouldn't ignore....the > inner voice/intiution/inspiration ....and do something.....what one > feel to do/help/love.... > > > > it is like one is attached by many invisible knots....to the world ('s > sufferings) > > one day....it's possible....to feel that there are no more such > attachments....and one become aware of some liberation... > and also aware of the attachments in which one had lived before > > ...few words > > Marc > > > > > > > yes... lets say that you..one day suddenly realizes what life really is... and that you now can see that what you used to live merely was a lie... now you do not want to ever get back to the lie-life...because you now see how poor that life was...that was not even a life... for the first time youre right in contact with the timeless living being itself...you are one.... and now you even see that all the people around you are living the kind of life that you used to live before...the so called lie-life. now there is many on this list continuing to say that there is only one...and that the so called others do not exist...this is true in one way...but this is just another thought by the mind... held tight by a lie-life... go on and hold on...its you holding it...not me... all I want is to help...but of course I can help nobody... one can only help one self...but there is a refusal by most people to really help one self...because of the fact that somehow you have made the mind the king....maby not the whole mind...but a tiny part of it...for example the idea that there is only one...and that there is no others...duality and oneness...those are all ideas...mind... walk on in darkness as long as you like...then continue for a while with dislike...then perhaps there is a chance for death to kill that lie-life... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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