Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is > not... > > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done > or > > > not > > > > > done > > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified > darkness ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views > > > this is > > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > > > fact...when > > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > yes...you know that... > > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > > and continue to be what he is not... > > > in the imagined suffering... > > > like a bird in a cage... > > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > > but he lives by his understanding... > > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > maybe it depend on how much is your attachment to this (appearing) > > sufferers.... > > and also...how much is your attachment to suffering > > > > it's rare that someone get birh....and is already detached from > > suffering.....from the (appearing) world.... > > > > during life-time.....one slowly develop this detachment.... > > depending the inner wish to be free > > > > as long this attachments work.....maybe one shouldn't > ignore....the > > inner voice/intiution/inspiration ....and do something.....what > one > > feel to do/help/love.... > > > > > > > > it is like one is attached by many invisible knots....to the world > ('s > > sufferings) > > > > one day....it's possible....to feel that there are no more such > > attachments....and one become aware of some liberation... > > and also aware of the attachments in which one had lived before > > > > ...few words > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes... > lets say that you..one day suddenly realizes what life really is... > and that you now can see that what you used to live merely was a > lie... .....wouldn't describe it as a " lie " ..... but just living in ignorance of/about real life > now you do not want to ever get back to the lie-life...because you > now see how poor that life was...that was not even a life... sound that you made not the most " positive " experiences....in the past.... > for the first time youre right in contact with the timeless living > being itself...you are one.... > and now you even see that all the people around you are living the > kind of life that you used to live before...the so called lie-life. no.... one start to " see " everything little different... one know that there is an ocean of truth....within deep everyone... just like in oneself there is some more respect to " wholeness " of appearing people.... and also the " understanding " ....of a certain " path " an entity, living in ignorance, has to go......for some reasons....(attachments i described before in a message) > now there is many on this list continuing to say that there is only > one...and that the so called others do not exist...this is true in > one way...but this is just another thought by the mind... > held tight by a lie-life... to only say " there is only one " ....because this is sooo much popular....and easy.......to say..... yes...it's not of deep understanding still yes...it is a lie to themself....if they are dreaming to be awake.... after having had a little moment of awareness.... endless " mind-work " is done.... means....endless excuses.....to no more follow still....the path.... of oneness > go on and hold on...its you holding it...not me... all I want is to help...but of course I can help nobody... > one can only help one self...but there is a refusal by most people > to really help one self...because of the fact that somehow you have > made the mind the king....maby not the whole mind...but a tiny part > of it...for example the idea that there is only one...and that there > is no others...duality and oneness...those are all ideas...mind... > walk on in darkness as long as you like...then continue for a while > with dislike...then perhaps there is a chance for death to kill that > lie-life... when one know the difference between real self...and self.... then it's possible to " see " that there are no others.... but there is indead....in reality.... " no other " to tell this.... non-sense...and non-sense talk...... but yes....it appear that some entities in here are in love....to non- sense talk or like you say.... " walk in/on darkness " Marc > ...iietsa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with presence... > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is not... > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this presence... > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done or not > done > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified darkness ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > only the mind says yes... but..., > only the heart asks why...if..., > only the light of awareness knows > how the heart and mind meet > in this moment of love, > gathering all thoughts and hearts > into an indivisible One. > > sat-chit-ananda > > > anna's bones > the heart is not asking....for anything.... what does " sat-chit-ananda " mean ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is > > not... > > > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing this > > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be done > > or > > > > not > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified > > darkness ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then fine... > > > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of views > > > > this is > > > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of view... > > > > > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones here... > > > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > > > > fact...when > > > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > yes...you know that... > > > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > > > and continue to be what he is not... > > > > in the imagined suffering... > > > > like a bird in a cage... > > > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > > > but he lives by his understanding... > > > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > > > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am the appearing sufferers > > > > > > i am the love in oneness > > > > > > when i vibrate in oneness > > > > > > they do too > > > > > > when i vibrate in " suffering " > > > > > > they vibrate in suffering, too > > > > > > there is no one > > > > > > nor two > > > > > > there is only the > > > > > > > > > > > > tune > > > > > > > > > > > > we play > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > ok...you are the one...and you are all and everything... > > this is so for you and everthing... > > but this is not realized everywhere... > > this onness is not aware of itself everywhere... > > are you saying ...let the oneness that delude itself to be only mind > > by identification live such an imagined life...do not put the light > > of oneness over this misunderstanding...dont give light to what > > appears to live in the dark... > > ...iietsa > > > > > why not? > > > the suffering is only my imagination > > projection > > the " truth " is only in the meeting > > the truth is only in our meeting > > all else is fiction > > > ... > in our meeting...at least there is more than one here...? if the one you meet is in great suffering even thou it is all imagined suffering...it will not help a lot to tell the other person that it is your suffering...not the other persons.. the other person would think of you as crazy...and go on with the suffering of his own...leaving you behind or punsh you in the bodyface... ....iietsa ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: iiesta: > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the > appearing > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > ...iietsa > > > maybe it depend on how much is your attachment to > this (appearing) > sufferers.... > and also...how much is your attachment to suffering > > it's rare that someone get birh....and is already > detached from > suffering.....from the (appearing) world.... > > during life-time.....one slowly develop this > detachment.... > depending the inner wish to be free > > as long this attachments work.....maybe one > shouldn't ignore....the > inner voice/intiution/inspiration ....and do > something.....what one > feel to do/help/love.... > > > > it is like one is attached by many invisible > knots....to the world('s > sufferings) > > one day....it's possible....to feel that there are > no more such > attachments....and one become aware of some > liberation... > and also aware of the attachments in which one had > lived before > > ...few words > > Marc Lovely, Marc Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is > > > not... > > > > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing > this > > > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be > done > > > or > > > > > not > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified > > > darkness ? > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then > fine... > > > > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of > views > > > > > this is > > > > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of > view... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones > here... > > > > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > > > > > fact...when > > > > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > yes...you know that... > > > > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > > > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > > > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > > > > and continue to be what he is not... > > > > > in the imagined suffering... > > > > > like a bird in a cage... > > > > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > > > > but he lives by his understanding... > > > > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > > > > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > > > > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am the appearing sufferers > > > > > > > > i am the love in oneness > > > > > > > > when i vibrate in oneness > > > > > > > > they do too > > > > > > > > when i vibrate in " suffering " > > > > > > > > they vibrate in suffering, too > > > > > > > > there is no one > > > > > > > > nor two > > > > > > > > there is only the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tune > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we play > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > ok...you are the one...and you are all and everything... > > > this is so for you and everthing... > > > but this is not realized everywhere... > > > this onness is not aware of itself everywhere... > > > are you saying ...let the oneness that delude itself to be only > mind > > > by identification live such an imagined life...do not put the > light > > > of oneness over this misunderstanding...dont give light to what > > > appears to live in the dark... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > why not? > > > > > > the suffering is only my imagination > > > > projection > > > > the " truth " is only in the meeting > > > > the truth is only in our meeting > > > > all else is fiction > > > > > > ... > > > in our meeting...at least there is more than one here...? > if the one you meet is in great suffering even thou it is all > imagined suffering...it will not help a lot to tell the other person > that it is your suffering...not the other persons.. > the other person would think of you as crazy...and go on with the > suffering of his own...leaving you behind or punsh you in the > bodyface... > ...iietsa > ...iietsa > but that's my point delightful iietsa, the truth is in our meeting, not in my saying any of the things you project onto the future of our/their meeting the future is only here, now your suffering all suffering is, precisely, speculation about the future (of suffering) .... 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Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one with > > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one is > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not noticing > > this > > > > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can be > > done > > > > or > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified > > > > darkness ? > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then > > fine... > > > > > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point of > > views > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of > > view... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned ones > > here... > > > > > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it was a > > > > > > fact...when > > > > > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...you know that... > > > > > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > > > > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > > > > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > > > > > and continue to be what he is not... > > > > > > in the imagined suffering... > > > > > > like a bird in a cage... > > > > > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > > > > > but he lives by his understanding... > > > > > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > > > > > > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the appearing > > > > > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am the appearing sufferers > > > > > > > > > > i am the love in oneness > > > > > > > > > > when i vibrate in oneness > > > > > > > > > > they do too > > > > > > > > > > when i vibrate in " suffering " > > > > > > > > > > they vibrate in suffering, too > > > > > > > > > > there is no one > > > > > > > > > > nor two > > > > > > > > > > there is only the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tune > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we play > > > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > ok...you are the one...and you are all and everything... > > > > this is so for you and everthing... > > > > but this is not realized everywhere... > > > > this onness is not aware of itself everywhere... > > > > are you saying ...let the oneness that delude itself to be only > > mind > > > > by identification live such an imagined life...do not put the > > light > > > > of oneness over this misunderstanding...dont give light to what > > > > appears to live in the dark... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not? > > > > > > > > > the suffering is only my imagination > > > > > > projection > > > > > > the " truth " is only in the meeting > > > > > > the truth is only in our meeting > > > > > > all else is fiction > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > in our meeting...at least there is more than one here...? > > if the one you meet is in great suffering even thou it is all > > imagined suffering...it will not help a lot to tell the other person > > that it is your suffering...not the other persons.. > > the other person would think of you as crazy...and go on with the > > suffering of his own...leaving you behind or punsh you in the > > bodyface... > > ...iietsa > > ...iietsa > > > > > but that's my point delightful iietsa, the truth is in our meeting, > not in my saying any of the things you project onto the future of > our/their meeting > > the future is only here, now > > your suffering > > all suffering > > is, precisely, speculation about the future (of suffering) > > > > > > ... > the meeting is in oneness the suffering is in love here now is in openness ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give attention to what is...and you are one > with > > > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > > > > > pure being...souring on the heart of light... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but presence and the > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness of thought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in light all is made indivisible > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...but there is taking oneself to be what one > is > > > > > not... > > > > > > > > > > > ...a kind of unawareness of thought...not > noticing > > > this > > > > > > > > > presence... > > > > > > > > > > > and from that point of view...there is duality... > > > > > > > > > > > and to anybody in that separatedness...what can > be > > > done > > > > > or > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > > > > to (awaken) awareness to all this... > > > > > > > > > > > how to shine your light into this selfidentified > > > > > darkness ? > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are already nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duality only appears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when invented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such is the limitlessness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in nonduality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all is/are/am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there is the understanding that all is one...then > > > fine... > > > > > > > > > but that is not the case everywhere...in some point > of > > > views > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > not so...then there is duality...in their point of > > > view... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were only trying to free the imagined imprisoned > ones > > > here... > > > > > > > > > there is of course no one to free... > > > > > > > > > but why let imagined suffering continue...as if it > was a > > > > > > > fact...when > > > > > > > > > there is nothing but love... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *imagined suffering continues* ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is permitted to coninue ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it becomes evident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is was will always be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing but love ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is only the interruption ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that makes imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ seem ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagined suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes...you know that... > > > > > > > love...loves all...in oneness... > > > > > > > and loves all to love...love...in the same onness.. > > > > > > > but your neighbour might disagree... > > > > > > > and continue to be what he is not... > > > > > > > in the imagined suffering... > > > > > > > like a bird in a cage... > > > > > > > of course there is no bird and there is no cage... > > > > > > > but he lives by his understanding... > > > > > > > so this whole identification-buisness continues... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you suggesting to just stay love...and let the > appearing > > > > > > > sufferers to live their imagined lifes... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am the appearing sufferers > > > > > > > > > > > > i am the love in oneness > > > > > > > > > > > > when i vibrate in oneness > > > > > > > > > > > > they do too > > > > > > > > > > > > when i vibrate in " suffering " > > > > > > > > > > > > they vibrate in suffering, too > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no one > > > > > > > > > > > > nor two > > > > > > > > > > > > there is only the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tune > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we play > > > > > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > > > as we meet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > ok...you are the one...and you are all and everything... > > > > > this is so for you and everthing... > > > > > but this is not realized everywhere... > > > > > this onness is not aware of itself everywhere... > > > > > are you saying ...let the oneness that delude itself to be > only > > > mind > > > > > by identification live such an imagined life...do not put > the > > > light > > > > > of oneness over this misunderstanding...dont give light to > what > > > > > appears to live in the dark... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not? > > > > > > > > > > > > the suffering is only my imagination > > > > > > > > projection > > > > > > > > the " truth " is only in the meeting > > > > > > > > the truth is only in our meeting > > > > > > > > all else is fiction > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > in our meeting...at least there is more than one here...? > > > if the one you meet is in great suffering even thou it is all > > > imagined suffering...it will not help a lot to tell the other > person > > > that it is your suffering...not the other persons.. > > > the other person would think of you as crazy...and go on with > the > > > suffering of his own...leaving you behind or punsh you in the > > > bodyface... > > > ...iietsa > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > but that's my point delightful iietsa, the truth is in our meeting, > > not in my saying any of the things you project onto the future of > > our/their meeting > > > > the future is only here, now > > > > your suffering > > > > all suffering > > > > is, precisely, speculation about the future (of suffering) > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > the meeting is in oneness > the suffering is in love > here now is in openness > ...iietsa > beautiful, as usual .... 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