Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Namaste, Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who " is the mirror " or of a person who likes to " become a mirror " Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? Where are you? When " Being the Mirror " everything is a " mirror " even the real Self, is a mirror. So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? Is falsity also your nature ? Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? Are we born ignorant ? The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? How to describe the nature of falsity? Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! You are this primal being, everyone is this primal being, primal being is our true nature, falsity is the true nature of the primal being, ignorance is the true nature of falsity. But to realise we're ignorant, to identify with ignorance, and to realise that falsity is indeed our real self, is to realise that we are indeed the ignorant self of everyone, ... To realise that we are false, to realise that falseness is indeed our real nature, is to realise that everyone is equally ignorant and that we are indeed everyone equally. In " Being the Mirror " the seen and experienced, the reflected world is false, the experiencer, the seer, the reflector is false, the experiencing, the reflecting, is false and even the true self, the Mirror itself is false. In " Being the Mirror " everything is false, all beings are false, the false is the true identity of all beings. The primal false identity incarnates into each being at birth... it grows up and developpes a unique sense of self... an identity... the so developped identity is what the primal false identity from now on believes to be... it doesn't believe to be the primal false identity, it doesn't want to believe to be the primal false identity, when it is in fact the primal false identity... the primal false identity from now on chooses to believe in it's new found identity... fact is it still is and never will be something other than the primal false identity... only that it is now believing to be a different identity... it lives with the believe that it is the developped identity... and doesn't believe to be the primal false identity... to which it returnes at death when everything which it has imagined during live perishes. I know this is very complicated... maybe it helps if i explain that the primal false identity.... which is called " being the mirror " .... is also known as Brahman, God, the absolute. But maybe it confuses things even more... Think of the Brahman as being the primal false identity. Think of the primal false identity being your identity. Think of your identity being false, and think of your false identity being the nature of everything in creation, always or most often and naturally developping a false sense of self during growth. like yourself... i hope this makes sense now ? now do you know someone who " is false " ? Are there any people " being ignorant " ? Where can i meet someone or a group of people who " are false " ? or are there any people here with the intention of " becoming ignorant " please reply! Lulu Groups are talking. We & acute;re listening. Check out the handy changes to Groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who " is the mirror " or of a person who likes to " become a mirror " > > Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? > > Where are you? > > When " Being the Mirror " everything is a " mirror " even the real Self, is a mirror. > > So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? > > > If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? > > Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? > > Is falsity also your nature ? > > Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? > > Are we born ignorant ? > > The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. > > If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? > > How to describe the nature of falsity? > > Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. > > But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? > > Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. > > There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. > > To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! > > You are this primal being, everyone is this primal being, primal being is our true nature, falsity is the true nature of the primal being, ignorance is the true nature of falsity. > > But to realise we're ignorant, to identify with ignorance, and to realise that falsity is indeed our real self, is to realise that we are indeed the ignorant self of everyone, ... > > > To realise that we are false, to realise that falseness is indeed our real nature, is to realise that everyone is equally ignorant and that we are indeed everyone equally. > > > > > > In " Being the Mirror " the seen and experienced, the reflected world is false, the experiencer, the seer, the reflector is false, the experiencing, the reflecting, is false and even the true self, the Mirror itself is false. > > In " Being the Mirror " everything is false, all beings are false, the false is the true identity of all beings. > > The primal false identity incarnates into each being at birth... it grows up and developpes a unique sense of self... an identity... the so developped identity is what the primal false identity from now on believes to be... it doesn't believe to be the primal false identity, it doesn't want to believe to be the primal false identity, when it is in fact the primal false identity... the primal false identity from now on chooses to believe in it's new found identity... fact is it still is and never will be something other than the primal false identity... only that it is now believing to be a different identity... it lives with the believe that it is the developped identity... and doesn't believe to be the primal false identity... to which it returnes at death when everything which it has imagined during live perishes. > > I know this is very complicated... maybe it helps if i explain that the primal false identity.... which is called " being the mirror " .... is also known as Brahman, God, the absolute. > > But maybe it confuses things even more... > > Think of the Brahman as being the primal false identity. > > Think of the primal false identity being your identity. > > Think of your identity being false, > and think of your false identity being the nature of everything in creation, > always or most often and naturally developping a false sense of self during growth. > > like yourself... > > i hope this makes sense now ? > > > > > now do you know someone who " is false " ? > > Are there any people " being ignorant " ? > > Where can i meet someone or a group of people who " are false " ? > > or are there any people here with the intention of " becoming ignorant " > > > please reply! > > Lulu > a couple of years ago I was taking myself for what I was not... at the time I did not see this...so I went around like anybody...doing ordinary stuff...this whole thing went on for about twenty years, more or less...and I saw everything from my point of view...I had some knoweledge...and I was judging what was,thrue that clouded eyes...yeah I was quick with an answer...and I hardly ever lost an argument...I saw myself as rather smart and intelligent... so it happened that there was a big crises in my life...and I went down...all the way to the basement...there were no lights down there ....just me...and this me was like a small glow of orange... it struggled with all its power to come up again...but time had made it give all its energy away...so it died out...it ended there in the basement...now in the same moment of death...everything shifted into pure light without even the tinyest dust of darkness...I was who I was... and for the first time I saw that I had been living a lie-life... I had been living the false-life for more or less twenty years... now ...why so interested in this ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who " is the mirror " or of a person who likes to " become a mirror " > > Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? > > Where are you? > > When " Being the Mirror " everything is a " mirror " even the real Self, is a mirror. > > So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? > > > If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? > > Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? > > Is falsity also your nature ? > > Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? > > Are we born ignorant ? > > The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. > > If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? > > How to describe the nature of falsity? > > Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. > > But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? > > Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. > > There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. > > To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! > > You are this primal being, everyone is this primal being, primal being is our true nature, falsity is the true nature of the primal being, ignorance is the true nature of falsity. > > But to realise we're ignorant, to identify with ignorance, and to realise that falsity is indeed our real self, is to realise that we are indeed the ignorant self of everyone, ... > > > To realise that we are false, to realise that falseness is indeed our real nature, is to realise that everyone is equally ignorant and that we are indeed everyone equally. > > > > > > In " Being the Mirror " the seen and experienced, the reflected world is false, the experiencer, the seer, the reflector is false, the experiencing, the reflecting, is false and even the true self, the Mirror itself is false. > > In " Being the Mirror " everything is false, all beings are false, the false is the true identity of all beings. > > The primal false identity incarnates into each being at birth... it grows up and developpes a unique sense of self... an identity... the so developped identity is what the primal false identity from now on believes to be... it doesn't believe to be the primal false identity, it doesn't want to believe to be the primal false identity, when it is in fact the primal false identity... the primal false identity from now on chooses to believe in it's new found identity... fact is it still is and never will be something other than the primal false identity... only that it is now believing to be a different identity... it lives with the believe that it is the developped identity... and doesn't believe to be the primal false identity... to which it returnes at death when everything which it has imagined during live perishes. > > I know this is very complicated... maybe it helps if i explain that the primal false identity.... which is called " being the mirror " ..... is also known as Brahman, God, the absolute. > > But maybe it confuses things even more... > > Think of the Brahman as being the primal false identity. > > Think of the primal false identity being your identity. > > Think of your identity being false, > and think of your false identity being the nature of everything in creation, > always or most often and naturally developping a false sense of self during growth. > > like yourself... > > i hope this makes sense now ? > > > > > now do you know someone who " is false " ? > > Are there any people " being ignorant " ? > > Where can i meet someone or a group of people who " are false " ? > > or are there any people here with the intention of " becoming ignorant " > > > please reply! > > Lulu > to the true there is only the true. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who " is the mirror " or of a person who likes to " become a mirror " > > Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? > > Where are you? > > When " Being the Mirror " everything is a " mirror " even the real Self, is a mirror. > > So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? > > > If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? > > Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? > > Is falsity also your nature ? > > Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? > > Are we born ignorant ? > > The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. > > If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? > > How to describe the nature of falsity? > > Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. > > But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? > > Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. > > There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. > > To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! > > You are this primal being, everyone is this primal being, primal being is our true nature, falsity is the true nature of the primal being, ignorance is the true nature of falsity. > > But to realise we're ignorant, to identify with ignorance, and to realise that falsity is indeed our real self, is to realise that we are indeed the ignorant self of everyone, ... > > > To realise that we are false, to realise that falseness is indeed our real nature, is to realise that everyone is equally ignorant and that we are indeed everyone equally. > > > > > > In " Being the Mirror " the seen and experienced, the reflected world is false, the experiencer, the seer, the reflector is false, the experiencing, the reflecting, is false and even the true self, the Mirror itself is false. > > In " Being the Mirror " everything is false, all beings are false, the false is the true identity of all beings. > > The primal false identity incarnates into each being at birth... it grows up and developpes a unique sense of self... an identity... the so developped identity is what the primal false identity from now on believes to be... it doesn't believe to be the primal false identity, it doesn't want to believe to be the primal false identity, when it is in fact the primal false identity... the primal false identity from now on chooses to believe in it's new found identity... fact is it still is and never will be something other than the primal false identity... only that it is now believing to be a different identity... it lives with the believe that it is the developped identity... and doesn't believe to be the primal false identity... to which it returnes at death when everything which it has imagined during live perishes. > > I know this is very complicated... maybe it helps if i explain that the primal false identity.... which is called " being the mirror " .... is also known as Brahman, God, the absolute. > > But maybe it confuses things even more... > > Think of the Brahman as being the primal false identity. > > Think of the primal false identity being your identity. > > Think of your identity being false, > and think of your false identity being the nature of everything in creation, > always or most often and naturally developping a false sense of self during growth. > > like yourself... > > i hope this makes sense now ? > > > > > now do you know someone who " is false " ? > > Are there any people " being ignorant " ? > > Where can i meet someone or a group of people who " are false " ? > > or are there any people here with the intention of " becoming ignorant " > > > please reply! > > Lulu sll truth from memory is false who lives behind the mask in the mirror is behind any name is before any thought precedes any death and witnesses his/her own story of birth. and it's usually a Lulu!!!;-) > > > > Groups are talking. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Maybe it is of interest for you that i did not receive even one reply of a person who " is the mirror " or of a person who likes to " become a mirror " > > Are you practicing silence? Are you practicing internet absence? silence is the only expression of truth existing.... the one " who " can't understand " silence " ....is ignorant concerning true being > > Where are you? here > > When " Being the Mirror " everything is a " mirror " even the real Self, is a mirror. you are still attached to this " mirror-concept " .... maybe you could find out why this is the case..... > > So how can it be that no one is a mirror ? the world is your mirror.... you are the world... so...to " whom " are you talking....in this world....? when you reach oneness with the world..... means when you see yourself....in the whole world... means, when you get aware of that energy which give you the light....to see oneness.... means,when you get awareness of not being this little ego- mind ....for real..... means, when you develop awareness for the Real....Self... behind all this...... " reflections/concepts/theories/religions/philosophies/mind/m irrors.... " then there is a chance that you are perfectly satisfied with... Silence....only > > If the primal Being, the original mirror, resides inside us all, why is it that only a few can ever realise it's true nature? it's never about the realisation of " others " ..... it's about your own realisation... then there is no more question about the this subject > > Because falsity is the true nature of the primal being ? > > Is falsity also your nature ? > > Is falsity ignorance and is ignorance your nature ? > > Are we born ignorant ? yes.... entities who are mainly attached to the appearing world.... are ignorant about real being....real life..... and silence > > The primal being is like a mirror, never telling the truth and always telling the truth, always telling a different truth to every creature. > > If we realise that ignorance is indeed our real nature, and that we are in fact the ignorant mirror than how would you describe this nature best? > > How to describe the nature of falsity? the nature of falsity is .....false identication..... means being ignorant about real nature... means ...taking all this appearing little nice and fabuloes things.....for real > > Indeed falsity, the mirror and ignorance resides within each of us, but to make this ignorance, this falsity and this mirror to our highest god and call it enlightenment simply sounds ignorant to me. > > But falsity is not aware of falsity, you are not aware that your real self is indeed your false self are you? the real self....is not this entities to " whom " you are talking..... > > Your false self identifies with your real self naturally, for your false self it is only natural to identify with your real self, but it is not natural for your real self to identify with your false self, your false self is like a mirror, it has no problems to identify with you, it can identify itself with everything, the mirror can identify itself with everything, but not everything can identify itself with a mirror, to identify with a mirror, one must identify with the absolute, with all the eye sees, in the present, future and past... the mirror can identify itself with everything. > > There is no boundary for the mirror to identify itself with, the mirror can even identify itself with another mirror, with your mirror, and so with yourself. > > To assume yourself to be the real primal being sounds ignorant ! yes.....it is ignorant to take this little entity.... " who " has many nice and fabuloes concepts in mind......for the real self > ....you wrote many more words.... you asked many more questions.... i haven't the time to read all this words....and to write many words..... wish a nice ....being....of whatever Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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