Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 there is no good and there is no bad... but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to everything... that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say because of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in a cage for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but that love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the bird itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird in a cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats the meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the bird.. on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference to the bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or not...its all a dreambubble anyway... this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light... .....speak freely...no fear... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > there is no good and there is no bad... > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to everything... > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say because > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in a cage > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but that > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the bird > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird in a > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats the > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the bird.. > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference to the > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or not...its > all a dreambubble anyway... > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light... > ....speak freely...no fear... > ...iietsa somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to everything... > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say > because > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in a > cage > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but > that > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the bird > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird in > a > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats the > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the bird.. > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference to > the > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or > not...its > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light... > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > ...iietsa > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... and say " there is no somebody " " all is just dream " and on an on... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > everything... > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say > > because > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in > a > > cage > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but > > that > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the > bird > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird > in > > a > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats > the > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the > bird.. > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference > to > > the > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or > > not...its > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light... > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > and say " there is no somebody " > " all is just dream " and on an on... > ...iietsa please tell me.... what are you " fighting for " ....? (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) some people can't handle some critics..... normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless expections to themself....and so...to " others " to let the birds fly....... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > everything... > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say > > > because > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in > > a > > > cage > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but > > > that > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the > > bird > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird > > in > > > a > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats > > the > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the > > bird.. > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference > > to > > > the > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or > > > not...its > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light... > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > and say " there is no somebody " > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > ...iietsa > > > please tell me.... > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > some people can't handle some critics..... > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > let the birds fly....... > > Marc > > > I am not fighting for....? peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? ....instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a million different things...like putting birds in a cage... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > everything... > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say > > > > because > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird > in > > > a > > > > cage > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > well...but > > > > that > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the > > > bird > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a > bird > > > in > > > > a > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > whats > > > the > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird > fly > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > indifference > > > to > > > > the > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or > > > > not...its > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light... > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > Marc > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > ...iietsa it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling some people in here.....whats your view of things about.... some people in here.....they are aware of writing to.....nobody specially ....when the write in here.... it's like a talk to themself... for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " ..... at least ...it give this impression you talk about the " natural state " .... i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you completely up.....in whole of being..... you talk about " selfish " hunger....?.... it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way... Marc Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > everything... > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some > say > > > > > because > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > bird > > in > > > > a > > > > > cage > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > well...but > > > > > that > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now > the > > > > bird > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a > > bird > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > whats > > > > the > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird > > fly > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with > the > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > indifference > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage > or > > > > > not...its > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > light... > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > ...iietsa > > > it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling some > people in here.....whats your view of things about.... > > some people in here.....they are aware of writing to.....nobody > specially ....when the write in here.... > > it's like a talk to themself... > > for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " ..... > at least ...it give this impression > > you talk about the " natural state " .... > i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you completely > up.....in whole of being..... > > you talk about " selfish " hunger....?.... > it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way... > > Marc > > > Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here > > > > > thank you marc... I am not what I seem to you... I will never be... what seem to you is your mind only... as you said...youre talking to yourself... your wishes is not for me... what fills up...comes down.. like clouds in the sky... what concern you deeply marc ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > everything... > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some > say > > > > > because > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > bird > > in > > > > a > > > > > cage > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > well...but > > > > > that > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now > the > > > > bird > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a > > bird > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > whats > > > > the > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird > > fly > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with > the > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > indifference > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage > or > > > > > not...its > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > light... > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > ...iietsa > > > everything done in duality....including writing > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to satisfy > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an individual > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to the > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to our > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are ONE, > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent and > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > ..bob > .......bob > in short.... everything you do is selfish... high indifference is beyond... then... why do.... why not just be high indifference... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some > > say > > > > > > because > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > bird > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > well...but > > > > > > that > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now > > the > > > > > bird > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison > a > > > bird > > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > whats > > > > > the > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the > bird > > > fly > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with > > the > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > indifference > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > cage > > or > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > light... > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > satisfy > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > individual > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to > the > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to > our > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are > ONE, > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent > and > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > ..bob > > .......bob > > > in short.... > everything you do is selfish... > high indifference is beyond... > > then... > why do.... > why not just be high indifference... > ...iietsa > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible to perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers nor teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list pertaining to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way is not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish behaviour patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits that we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. ......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > there...some > > > say > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > > bird > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > > well...but > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > love...now > > > the > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > imprison > > a > > > > bird > > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > > whats > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the > > bird > > > > fly > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > with > > > the > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > indifference > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > > cage > > > or > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > > light... > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > > satisfy > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > individual > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to > > the > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to > > our > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are > > ONE, > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent > > and > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > ..bob > > > .......bob > > > > > in short.... > > everything you do is selfish... > > high indifference is beyond... > > > > then... > > why do.... > > why not just be high indifference... > > ...iietsa > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible to > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers nor > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list pertaining > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way is > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish behaviour > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits that > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. > > ......bob > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love > to > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > there...some > > > > say > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to > put a > > > > bird > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > love...now > > > > the > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > imprison > > > a > > > > > bird > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing > wrong...but > > > > > whats > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let > the > > > bird > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > > > cage > > > > or > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have > endless > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing > a > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > > > satisfy > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > > individual > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom > nor > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and > to > > > the > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark > saying'to > > > our > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state > and > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided > and > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is > are > > > ONE, > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is > absent > > > and > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > in short.... > > > everything you do is selfish... > > > high indifference is beyond... > > > > > > then... > > > why do.... > > > why not just be high indifference... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible to > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers nor > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list > pertaining > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way > is > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish behaviour > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits > that > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. > > > > ......bob > > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish... > ...iietsa > just who among us here is not? ..bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some > > say > > > > > > because > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > bird > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > well...but > > > > > > that > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now > > the > > > > > bird > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison > a > > > bird > > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > whats > > > > > the > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the > bird > > > fly > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with > > the > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > indifference > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > cage > > or > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > light... > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling some > > people in here.....whats your view of things about.... > > > > some people in here.....they are aware of writing to.....nobody > > specially ....when the write in here.... > > > > it's like a talk to themself... > > > > for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " ..... > > at least ...it give this impression > > > > you talk about the " natural state " .... > > i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you completely > > up.....in whole of being..... > > > > you talk about " selfish " hunger....?.... > > it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way... > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here > > > > > > > > > > thank you marc... > I am not what I seem to you... > I will never be... > what seem to you is your mind only... > as you said...youre talking to yourself... > your wishes is not for me... > what fills up...comes down.. > like clouds in the sky... > what concern you deeply marc ? > ...iietsa don't worry....mind is calm... you don't like my wishes?.... ok...you areen't forced to accept my wishes... i think that, what concern me.....is not realy of your interest... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > there is no good and there is no bad... > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to everything... > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say because > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in a cage > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but that > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the bird > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird in a > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats the > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the bird.. > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference to the > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or not...its > all a dreambubble anyway... > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light... > ....speak freely...no fear... > ...iietsa > fully in light is there to give birth to fully in light as fully in light is there to fade ~ between dawn and the dusk dusk and dawn there is the fullest light: .... .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > everything... > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some > say > > > > > because > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > bird > > in > > > > a > > > > > cage > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > well...but > > > > > that > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now > the > > > > bird > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a > > bird > > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > whats > > > > the > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird > > fly > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with > the > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > indifference > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage > or > > > > > not...its > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > light... > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > ...iietsa > > > everything done in duality....including writing > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to satisfy > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an individual > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to the > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to our > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are ONE, > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent and > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > ..bob > .......bob > i am other no, not just the other the other other no, not just the other other but absolute and absolutely nothing but sheer other brother .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > there...some > > > say > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > > bird > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > > well...but > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > love...now > > > the > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > imprison > > a > > > > bird > > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > > whats > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the > > bird > > > > fly > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > with > > > the > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > indifference > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > > cage > > > or > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > > light... > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > > satisfy > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > individual > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to > > the > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to > > our > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are > > ONE, > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent > > and > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > ..bob > > > .......bob > > > > > in short.... > > everything you do is selfish... > > high indifference is beyond... > > > > then... > > why do.... > > why not just be high indifference... > > ...iietsa > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible to > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers nor > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list pertaining > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way is > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish behaviour > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits that > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. > > ......bob this " High Indifference " isn't easily obtainable....indeed fishes...as long living in an ocean....can't be " indifferent " to the ocean..... ego-minds.....as long living in the self-made mind-prison......can't be " indifferent " to the situation....of being unfree but when one individual soul....flow into the Soul..... .....even if there would be the wish to " react " ....it's no more of the " nature " ....... few words to the indifferent ones.... and the ones who are dreaming to be " Highly indifferent " ... and also the ones who aren't indifferent....to whatever appearing words....(only) Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some > > say > > > > > > because > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > bird > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > well...but > > > > > > that > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now > > the > > > > > bird > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a > > > bird > > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > whats > > > > > the > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird > > > fly > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with > > the > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > indifference > > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage > > or > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > light... > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to satisfy > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an individual > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to the > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to our > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are ONE, > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent and > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > ..bob > > .......bob > > > > > > > i am other > > no, not just the other > > the other other > > no, not just the other other > > but absolute and absolutely > > nothing but > > sheer other > > brother > > > > > ... > yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other brothers. some other brother other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > there...some > > > say > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > > bird > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > > well...but > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > love...now > > > the > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > imprison a > > > > bird > > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > > whats > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the > bird > > > > fly > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > with > > > the > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > indifference > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > cage > > > or > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > > light... > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > satisfy > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > individual > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to > the > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to > our > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are > ONE, > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent > and > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > ..bob > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am other > > > > no, not just the other > > > > the other other > > > > no, not just the other other > > > > but absolute and absolutely > > > > nothing but > > > > sheer other > > > > brother > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other > brothers. > > some other brother other > selfless .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > there...some > > > > say > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > > > bird > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > love...now > > > > the > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > imprison a > > > > > bird > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > > > whats > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the > > bird > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > > cage > > > > or > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > > satisfy > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > individual > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to > > the > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to > > our > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are > > ONE, > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent > > and > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am other > > > > > > no, not just the other > > > > > > the other other > > > > > > no, not just the other other > > > > > > but absolute and absolutely > > > > > > nothing but > > > > > > sheer other > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other > > brothers. > > > > some other brother other > > > > > > selfless > > > ... > sometimes somewhat elfishly, selfishly, selfless and helpless. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love > to > > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > > there...some > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to > put a > > > > > bird > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love > as > > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > > love...now > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > > imprison a > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing > wrong...but > > > > > > whats > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let > the > > > bird > > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in > a > > > cage > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully > in > > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have > endless > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing > a > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > > > satisfy > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > > individual > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one > of " High > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom > nor > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in > fact,no > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and > to > > > the > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark > saying'to > > > our > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state > and > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided > and > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is > are > > > ONE, > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is > absent > > > and > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am other > > > > > > > > no, not just the other > > > > > > > > the other other > > > > > > > > no, not just the other other > > > > > > > > but absolute and absolutely > > > > > > > > nothing but > > > > > > > > sheer other > > > > > > > > brother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other > > > brothers. > > > > > > some other brother other > > > > > > > > > > > selfless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > sometimes somewhat elfishly, selfishly, selfless and helpless. > i mean selfless as in vast white warmth beyond blue yonder peopled by the billions all in this one instant here itself (itselfless) you know .... 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love > > to > > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > > there...some > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to > > put a > > > > > bird > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love > as > > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > > love...now > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > > imprison > > > > a > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing > > wrong...but > > > > > > whats > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let > > the > > > > bird > > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in > a > > > > cage > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully > in > > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have > > endless > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing > > a > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to > > > > satisfy > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > > > individual > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one > of " High > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom > > nor > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in > fact,no > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and > > to > > > > the > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark > > saying'to > > > > our > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state > > and > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided > > and > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is > > are > > > > ONE, > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is > > absent > > > > and > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > in short.... > > > > everything you do is selfish... > > > > high indifference is beyond... > > > > > > > > then... > > > > why do.... > > > > why not just be high indifference... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible > to > > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily > > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there > > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers > nor > > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list > > pertaining > > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way > > is > > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish > behaviour > > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits > > that > > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish... > > ...iietsa > > > just who among us here is not? > > ..bob > selfish ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > there...some > > > say > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a > > > bird > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > > well...but > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > love...now > > > the > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > imprison > > a > > > > bird > > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but > > > > whats > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the > > bird > > > > fly > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > with > > > the > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > indifference > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > > cage > > > or > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > > light... > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling some > > > people in here.....whats your view of things about.... > > > > > > some people in here.....they are aware of writing to.....nobody > > > specially ....when the write in here.... > > > > > > it's like a talk to themself... > > > > > > for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " ..... > > > at least ...it give this impression > > > > > > you talk about the " natural state " .... > > > i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you > completely > > > up.....in whole of being..... > > > > > > you talk about " selfish " hunger....?.... > > > it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you marc... > > I am not what I seem to you... > > I will never be... > > what seem to you is your mind only... > > as you said...youre talking to yourself... > > your wishes is not for me... > > what fills up...comes down.. > > like clouds in the sky... > > what concern you deeply marc ? > > ...iietsa > > > don't worry....mind is calm... > > you don't like my wishes?.... > > ok...you areen't forced to accept my wishes... > > i think that, what concern me.....is not realy of your interest... > > Marc > > > > > I never think.... so in a way you think right... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love > to > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > there...some > > > > say > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to > put a > > > > bird > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > love...now > > > > the > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > imprison > > > a > > > > > bird > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing > wrong...but > > > > > whats > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let > the > > > bird > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a > > > cage > > > > or > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have > endless > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing > a > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling > some > > > > people in here.....whats your view of things about.... > > > > > > > > some people in here.....they are aware of writing > to.....nobody > > > > specially ....when the write in here.... > > > > > > > > it's like a talk to themself... > > > > > > > > for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " ..... > > > > at least ...it give this impression > > > > > > > > you talk about the " natural state " .... > > > > i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you > > completely > > > > up.....in whole of being..... > > > > > > > > you talk about " selfish " hunger....?.... > > > > it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you marc... > > > I am not what I seem to you... > > > I will never be... > > > what seem to you is your mind only... > > > as you said...youre talking to yourself... > > > your wishes is not for me... > > > what fills up...comes down.. > > > like clouds in the sky... > > > what concern you deeply marc ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > don't worry....mind is calm... > > > > you don't like my wishes?.... > > > > ok...you areen't forced to accept my wishes... > > > > i think that, what concern me.....is not realy of your interest... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > I never think.... > so in a way you think right... > ...iietsa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give > love > > > to > > > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > > > there...some > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not > to > > > put a > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is > love > > as > > > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > > > love...now > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > > > imprison > > > > > a > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing > > > wrong...but > > > > > > > whats > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not > let > > > the > > > > > bird > > > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to > interfere > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind > of > > > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its > in > > a > > > > > cage > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not > fully > > in > > > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have > > > endless > > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state... > > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ? > > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by > doing > > > a > > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a > cage... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and > to > > > > > satisfy > > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > > > > individual > > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one > > of " High > > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, > freedom > > > nor > > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in > > fact,no > > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe > and > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark > > > saying'to > > > > > our > > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this > state > > > and > > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the > divided > > > and > > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that > is > > > are > > > > > ONE, > > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is > > > absent > > > > > and > > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > in short.... > > > > > everything you do is selfish... > > > > > high indifference is beyond... > > > > > > > > > > then... > > > > > why do.... > > > > > why not just be high indifference... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor > impossible > > to > > > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily > > > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', > there > > > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers > > nor > > > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list > > > pertaining > > > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the > Way > > > is > > > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish > > behaviour > > > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish > habits > > > that > > > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > just who among us here is not? > > > > ..bob > > > selfish ? > that's the question yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give > > love > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > > > > there...some > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not > > to > > > > put a > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is > > love > > > as > > > > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > > > > love...now > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > > > > imprison > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing > > > > wrong...but > > > > > > > > whats > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not > > let > > > > the > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to > > interfere > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind > > of > > > > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its > > in > > > a > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not > > fully > > > in > > > > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural > state... > > > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural > state ? > > > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by > > doing > > > > a > > > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a > > cage... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and > > to > > > > > > satisfy > > > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > > > > > individual > > > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one > > > of " High > > > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, > > freedom > > > > nor > > > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in > > > fact,no > > > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe > > and > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark > > > > saying'to > > > > > > our > > > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this > > state > > > > and > > > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the > > divided > > > > and > > > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that > > is > > > > are > > > > > > ONE, > > > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth > is > > > > absent > > > > > > and > > > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > in short.... > > > > > > everything you do is selfish... > > > > > > high indifference is beyond... > > > > > > > > > > > > then... > > > > > > why do.... > > > > > > why not just be high indifference... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor > > impossible > > > to > > > > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily > > > > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', > > there > > > > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual > teachers > > > nor > > > > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list > > > > pertaining > > > > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the > > Way > > > > is > > > > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish > > > behaviour > > > > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish > > habits > > > > that > > > > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > just who among us here is not? > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > selfish ? > > > that's the question yes. > i.e., C flat or D major? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad... > > > > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give > > > love > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > everything... > > > > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in > > > > > > there...some > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not > > > to > > > > > put a > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is > > > love > > > > as > > > > > > > > > well...but > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark > > > > > > love...now > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why > > > > > > imprison > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing > > > > > wrong...but > > > > > > > > > whats > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not > > > let > > > > > the > > > > > > > bird > > > > > > > > > fly > > > > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to > > > interfere > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bird.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind > > > of > > > > > > > > > indifference > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its > > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > cage > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > not...its > > > > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway... > > > > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not > > > fully > > > > in > > > > > > > > light... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie.... > > > > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody " > > > > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics..... > > > > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....? > > > > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural > > state... > > > > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural > > state ? > > > > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by > > > doing > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a > > > cage... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing > > > > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and > > > to > > > > > > > satisfy > > > > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an > > > > > > > individual > > > > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one > > > > of " High > > > > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, > > > freedom > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in > > > > fact,no > > > > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe > > > and > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark > > > > > saying'to > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this > > > state > > > > > and > > > > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the > > > divided > > > > > and > > > > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that > > > is > > > > > are > > > > > > > ONE, > > > > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth > > is > > > > > absent > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in short.... > > > > > > > everything you do is selfish... > > > > > > > high indifference is beyond... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then... > > > > > > > why do.... > > > > > > > why not just be high indifference... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor > > > impossible > > > > to > > > > > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily > > > > > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', > > > there > > > > > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual > > teachers > > > > nor > > > > > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list > > > > > pertaining > > > > > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the > > > Way > > > > > is > > > > > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish > > > > behaviour > > > > > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish > > > habits > > > > > that > > > > > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ......bob > > > > > > > > > > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > just who among us here is not? > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > > > selfish ? > > > > > that's the question yes. > > > > > i.e., C flat > or D major? > > > ... > it's a twelve-tone piece with no defined key. 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