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there is no good and there is no bad...

but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to everything...

that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say because

of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in a cage

for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but that

love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the bird

itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird in a

cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats the

meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly

freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the bird..

 

on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference to the

bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or not...its

all a dreambubble anyway...

this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light...

.....speak freely...no fear...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> there is no good and there is no bad...

> but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to everything...

> that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say

because

> of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in a

cage

> for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but

that

> love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the bird

> itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird in

a

> cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats the

> meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly

> freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the bird..

>

> on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference to

the

> bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or

not...its

> all a dreambubble anyway...

> this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light...

> ....speak freely...no fear...

> ...iietsa

 

 

somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

 

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

everything...

> > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say

> because

> > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in

a

> cage

> > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but

> that

> > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the

bird

> > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird

in

> a

> > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats

the

> > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly

> > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the

bird..

> >

> > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference

to

> the

> > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or

> not...its

> > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light...

> > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > ...iietsa

>

>

> somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

>

>

>

> >

>

fear might make people lie....

and say " there is no somebody "

" all is just dream " and on an on...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> everything...

> > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say

> > because

> > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in

> a

> > cage

> > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but

> > that

> > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the

> bird

> > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird

> in

> > a

> > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats

> the

> > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly

> > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the

> bird..

> > >

> > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference

> to

> > the

> > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or

> > not...its

> > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light...

> > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> fear might make people lie....

> and say " there is no somebody "

> " all is just dream " and on an on...

> ...iietsa

 

 

please tell me....

 

what are you " fighting for " ....?

 

(if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

 

some people can't handle some critics.....

normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

 

let the birds fly.......

 

Marc

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > everything...

> > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say

> > > because

> > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird

in

> > a

> > > cage

> > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

well...but

> > > that

> > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the

> > bird

> > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a

bird

> > in

> > > a

> > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

whats

> > the

> > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird

fly

> > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the

> > bird..

> > > >

> > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

indifference

> > to

> > > the

> > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or

> > > not...its

> > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light...

> > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > fear might make people lie....

> > and say " there is no somebody "

> > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > ...iietsa

>

>

> please tell me....

>

> what are you " fighting for " ....?

>

> (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

>

> some people can't handle some critics.....

> normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

>

> let the birds fly.......

>

> Marc

> >

>

I am not fighting for....?

peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

....instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > everything...

> > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some

say

> > > > because

> > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

bird

> in

> > > a

> > > > cage

> > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> well...but

> > > > that

> > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now

the

> > > bird

> > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a

> bird

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> whats

> > > the

> > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird

> fly

> > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with

the

> > > bird..

> > > > >

> > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> indifference

> > > to

> > > > the

> > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage

or

> > > > not...its

> > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

light...

> > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > fear might make people lie....

> > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> > please tell me....

> >

> > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> >

> > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> >

> > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> >

> > let the birds fly.......

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> >

> I am not fighting for....?

> peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> ...iietsa

 

 

it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling some

people in here.....whats your view of things about....

 

some people in here.....they are aware of writing to.....nobody

specially ....when the write in here....

 

it's like a talk to themself...

 

for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " .....

at least ...it give this impression

 

you talk about the " natural state " ....

i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you completely

up.....in whole of being.....

 

you talk about " selfish " hunger....?....

it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way...

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > everything...

> > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some

> say

> > > > > because

> > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

> bird

> > in

> > > > a

> > > > > cage

> > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > well...but

> > > > > that

> > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now

> the

> > > > bird

> > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison

a

> > bird

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> > whats

> > > > the

> > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the

bird

> > fly

> > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with

> the

> > > > bird..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > indifference

> > > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

cage

> or

> > > > > not...its

> > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> light...

> > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > > please tell me....

> > >

> > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > >

> > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > >

> > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > >

> > > let the birds fly.......

> > >

> > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > I am not fighting for....?

> > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > ...iietsa

>

>

> it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling some

> people in here.....whats your view of things about....

>

> some people in here.....they are aware of writing to.....nobody

> specially ....when the write in here....

>

> it's like a talk to themself...

>

> for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " .....

> at least ...it give this impression

>

> you talk about the " natural state " ....

> i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you completely

> up.....in whole of being.....

>

> you talk about " selfish " hunger....?....

> it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way...

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here

>

>

> >

>

thank you marc...

I am not what I seem to you...

I will never be...

what seem to you is your mind only...

as you said...youre talking to yourself...

your wishes is not for me...

what fills up...comes down..

like clouds in the sky...

what concern you deeply marc ?

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > everything...

> > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some

> say

> > > > > because

> > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

> bird

> > in

> > > > a

> > > > > cage

> > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > well...but

> > > > > that

> > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now

> the

> > > > bird

> > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison

a

> > bird

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> > whats

> > > > the

> > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the

bird

> > fly

> > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with

> the

> > > > bird..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > indifference

> > > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

cage

> or

> > > > > not...its

> > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> light...

> > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > > please tell me....

> > >

> > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > >

> > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > >

> > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > >

> > > let the birds fly.......

> > >

> > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > I am not fighting for....?

> > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> everything done in duality....including writing

> this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

satisfy

> selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

individual

> life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High

> Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor

> slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no

> duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to

the

> degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to

our

> limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and

> condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and

> seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are

ONE,

> it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent

and

> unknown here among the community of lost souls.

>

> ..bob

> .......bob

>

in short....

everything you do is selfish...

high indifference is beyond...

 

then...

why do....

why not just be high indifference...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

there...some

> > say

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

> > bird

> > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > > well...but

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

love...now

> > the

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

imprison

> a

> > > bird

> > > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> > > whats

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the

> bird

> > > fly

> > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

with

> > the

> > > > > bird..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > indifference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

> cage

> > or

> > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> > light...

> > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > please tell me....

> > > >

> > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > >

> > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > >

> > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > >

> > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > everything done in duality....including writing

> > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

> satisfy

> > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> individual

> > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High

> > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor

> > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no

> > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to

> the

> > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to

> our

> > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and

> > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and

> > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are

> ONE,

> > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent

> and

> > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> >

> > ..bob

> > .......bob

> >

> in short....

> everything you do is selfish...

> high indifference is beyond...

>

> then...

> why do....

> why not just be high indifference...

> ...iietsa

>

no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible to

perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there

would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers nor

teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list pertaining

to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way is

not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish behaviour

patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits that

we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

 

......bob

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<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

<iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love

to

> > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> there...some

> > > say

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to

put a

> > > bird

> > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > > > well...but

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> love...now

> > > the

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> imprison

> > a

> > > > bird

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

wrong...but

> > > > whats

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let

the

> > bird

> > > > fly

> > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > indifference

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

> > cage

> > > or

> > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> > > light...

> > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > please tell me....

> > > > >

> > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > >

> > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > >

> > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

endless

> > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > >

> > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing

a

> > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

> > satisfy

> > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > individual

> > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High

> > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom

nor

> > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no

> > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and

to

> > the

> > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

saying'to

> > our

> > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state

and

> > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided

and

> > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is

are

> > ONE,

> > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is

absent

> > and

> > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > >

> > > ..bob

> > > .......bob

> > >

> > in short....

> > everything you do is selfish...

> > high indifference is beyond...

> >

> > then...

> > why do....

> > why not just be high indifference...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible to

> perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

> obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there

> would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers nor

> teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list

pertaining

> to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way

is

> not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish behaviour

> patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits

that

> we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

>

> ......bob

>

the unselfish is only hard for the selfish...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> <iietsa@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love

> to

> > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > there...some

> > > > say

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to

> put a

> > > > bird

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love

as

> > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> > love...now

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> > imprison

> > > a

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

> wrong...but

> > > > > whats

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let

> the

> > > bird

> > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in

a

> > > cage

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully

in

> > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

> endless

> > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing

> a

> > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

> > > satisfy

> > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > > individual

> > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one

of " High

> > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom

> nor

> > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in

fact,no

> > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and

> to

> > > the

> > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

> saying'to

> > > our

> > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state

> and

> > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided

> and

> > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is

> are

> > > ONE,

> > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is

> absent

> > > and

> > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > > >

> > > > ..bob

> > > > .......bob

> > > >

> > > in short....

> > > everything you do is selfish...

> > > high indifference is beyond...

> > >

> > > then...

> > > why do....

> > > why not just be high indifference...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible

to

> > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

> > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there

> > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers

nor

> > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list

> pertaining

> > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way

> is

> > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish

behaviour

> > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits

> that

> > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

> >

> > ......bob

> >

> the unselfish is only hard for the selfish...

> ...iietsa

>

just who among us here is not?

 

..bob

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

there...some

> > say

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

> > bird

> > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > > well...but

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

love...now

> > the

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

imprison

> a

> > > bird

> > > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> > > whats

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the

> bird

> > > fly

> > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

with

> > the

> > > > > bird..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > indifference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

> cage

> > or

> > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> > light...

> > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > please tell me....

> > > >

> > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > >

> > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > >

> > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > >

> > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> > it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling some

> > people in here.....whats your view of things about....

> >

> > some people in here.....they are aware of writing to.....nobody

> > specially ....when the write in here....

> >

> > it's like a talk to themself...

> >

> > for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " .....

> > at least ...it give this impression

> >

> > you talk about the " natural state " ....

> > i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you

completely

> > up.....in whole of being.....

> >

> > you talk about " selfish " hunger....?....

> > it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way...

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> thank you marc...

> I am not what I seem to you...

> I will never be...

> what seem to you is your mind only...

> as you said...youre talking to yourself...

> your wishes is not for me...

> what fills up...comes down..

> like clouds in the sky...

> what concern you deeply marc ?

> ...iietsa

 

 

don't worry....mind is calm...

 

you don't like my wishes?....:)

 

ok...you areen't forced to accept my wishes...

 

i think that, what concern me.....is not realy of your interest...

 

Marc

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> there is no good and there is no bad...

> but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to everything...

> that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some say because

> of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a bird in a cage

> for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as well...but that

> love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now the bird

> itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a bird in a

> cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but whats the

> meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird fly

> freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with the bird..

>

> on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of indifference to the

> bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage or not...its

> all a dreambubble anyway...

> this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in light...

> ....speak freely...no fear...

> ...iietsa

>

 

 

fully in light is there to give birth

 

to fully in light as fully in light

 

is there to fade

 

~

 

between dawn and the dusk

 

dusk and dawn

 

there is the fullest light:

 

....

 

 

 

 

....

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > everything...

> > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in there...some

> say

> > > > > because

> > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

> bird

> > in

> > > > a

> > > > > cage

> > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > well...but

> > > > > that

> > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark love...now

> the

> > > > bird

> > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why imprison a

> > bird

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> > whats

> > > > the

> > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the bird

> > fly

> > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere with

> the

> > > > bird..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > indifference

> > > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a cage

> or

> > > > > not...its

> > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> light...

> > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > > please tell me....

> > >

> > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > >

> > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > >

> > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > >

> > > let the birds fly.......

> > >

> > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > I am not fighting for....?

> > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> everything done in duality....including writing

> this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to satisfy

> selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an individual

> life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High

> Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor

> slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no

> duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to the

> degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to our

> limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and

> condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and

> seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are ONE,

> it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent and

> unknown here among the community of lost souls.

>

> ..bob

> .......bob

>

 

 

 

 

i am other

 

no, not just the other

 

the other other

 

no, not just the other other

 

but absolute and absolutely

 

nothing but

 

sheer other

 

brother

 

 

 

 

....

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<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> there...some

> > > say

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put

a

> > > bird

> > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > > > well...but

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> love...now

> > > the

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> imprison

> > a

> > > > bird

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

wrong...but

> > > > whats

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let

the

> > bird

> > > > fly

> > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > indifference

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

> > cage

> > > or

> > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> > > light...

> > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > please tell me....

> > > > >

> > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > >

> > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > >

> > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

endless

> > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > >

> > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

> > satisfy

> > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > individual

> > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High

> > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom

nor

> > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no

> > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to

> > the

> > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

saying'to

> > our

> > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state

and

> > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided

and

> > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is

are

> > ONE,

> > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is

absent

> > and

> > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > >

> > > ..bob

> > > .......bob

> > >

> > in short....

> > everything you do is selfish...

> > high indifference is beyond...

> >

> > then...

> > why do....

> > why not just be high indifference...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor impossible to

> perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

> obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case', there

> would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers nor

> teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list pertaining

> to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the Way is

> not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish behaviour

> patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish habits

that

> we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

>

> ......bob

 

 

this " High Indifference " isn't easily obtainable....indeed

 

fishes...as long living in an ocean....can't be " indifferent " to the

ocean.....

 

ego-minds.....as long living in the self-made mind-prison......can't

be " indifferent " to the situation....of being unfree

 

but when one individual soul....flow into the Soul.....

 

.....even if there would be the wish to " react " ....it's no more of

the " nature " .......

 

 

few words to the indifferent ones....

 

and the ones who are dreaming to be " Highly indifferent " ...

 

and also the ones who aren't indifferent....to whatever appearing

words....(only)

 

Marc

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>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

there...some

> > say

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

> > bird

> > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > > well...but

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

love...now

> > the

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

imprison a

> > > bird

> > > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> > > whats

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the

bird

> > > fly

> > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

with

> > the

> > > > > bird..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > indifference

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

cage

> > or

> > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> > light...

> > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > please tell me....

> > > >

> > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > >

> > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > >

> > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > >

> > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > everything done in duality....including writing

> > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

satisfy

> > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

individual

> > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High

> > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor

> > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no

> > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to

the

> > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to

our

> > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and

> > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and

> > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are

ONE,

> > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent

and

> > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> >

> > ..bob

> > .......bob

> >

>

>

>

>

> i am other

>

> no, not just the other

>

> the other other

>

> no, not just the other other

>

> but absolute and absolutely

>

> nothing but

>

> sheer other

>

> brother

>

>

>

>

> ...

>

yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other

brothers.

 

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wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love to

> > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> there...some

> > > say

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to put a

> > > bird

> > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > > > well...but

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> love...now

> > > the

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> imprison a

> > > > bird

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing wrong...but

> > > > whats

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let the

> bird

> > > > fly

> > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > indifference

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

> cage

> > > or

> > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> > > light...

> > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > please tell me....

> > > > >

> > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > >

> > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > >

> > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have endless

> > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > >

> > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing a

> > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

> satisfy

> > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> individual

> > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one of " High

> > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom nor

> > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in fact,no

> > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and to

> the

> > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark saying'to

> our

> > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state and

> > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided and

> > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is are

> ONE,

> > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is absent

> and

> > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > >

> > > ..bob

> > > .......bob

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > i am other

> >

> > no, not just the other

> >

> > the other other

> >

> > no, not just the other other

> >

> > but absolute and absolutely

> >

> > nothing but

> >

> > sheer other

> >

> > brother

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other

> brothers.

>

> some other brother other

>

 

 

 

selfless

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

<iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love

to

> > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > there...some

> > > > say

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to

put a

> > > > bird

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love

as

> > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> > love...now

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> > imprison a

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

wrong...but

> > > > > whats

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let

the

> > bird

> > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in

a

> > cage

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully

in

> > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

endless

> > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing

a

> > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

> > satisfy

> > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > individual

> > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one

of " High

> > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom

nor

> > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in

fact,no

> > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and

to

> > the

> > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

saying'to

> > our

> > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state

and

> > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided

and

> > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is

are

> > ONE,

> > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is

absent

> > and

> > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > > >

> > > > ..bob

> > > > .......bob

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i am other

> > >

> > > no, not just the other

> > >

> > > the other other

> > >

> > > no, not just the other other

> > >

> > > but absolute and absolutely

> > >

> > > nothing but

> > >

> > > sheer other

> > >

> > > brother

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other

> > brothers.

> >

> > some other brother other

> >

>

>

>

> selfless

>

>

>

...

>

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> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> <iietsa@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love

> to

> > > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > > there...some

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to

> put a

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love

> as

> > > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> > > love...now

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> > > imprison a

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

> wrong...but

> > > > > > whats

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let

> the

> > > bird

> > > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in

> a

> > > cage

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully

> in

> > > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

> endless

> > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing

> a

> > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and to

> > > satisfy

> > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > > individual

> > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one

> of " High

> > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad, freedom

> nor

> > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in

> fact,no

> > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe and

> to

> > > the

> > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

> saying'to

> > > our

> > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this state

> and

> > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the divided

> and

> > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that is

> are

> > > ONE,

> > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is

> absent

> > > and

> > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > > > >

> > > > > ..bob

> > > > > .......bob

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > i am other

> > > >

> > > > no, not just the other

> > > >

> > > > the other other

> > > >

> > > > no, not just the other other

> > > >

> > > > but absolute and absolutely

> > > >

> > > > nothing but

> > > >

> > > > sheer other

> > > >

> > > > brother

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > yeah sure you are....that's the only way we can have or be other

> > > brothers.

> > >

> > > some other brother other

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > selfless

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> sometimes somewhat elfishly, selfishly, selfless and helpless.

>

 

 

i mean selfless

 

as in vast white warmth

 

 

 

beyond blue yonder

 

 

 

peopled by the billions

 

 

all in this one instant

 

 

 

 

here

 

 

 

 

itself

 

 

 

 

 

 

(itselfless)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you know

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

<iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> > <iietsa@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give

love

> > to

> > > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > > there...some

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not

to

> > put a

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is

love

> as

> > > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> > > love...now

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> > > imprison

> > > > a

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

> > wrong...but

> > > > > > whats

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not

let

> > the

> > > > bird

> > > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to

interfere

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind

of

> > > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its

in

> a

> > > > cage

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not

fully

> in

> > > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

> > endless

> > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by

doing

> > a

> > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a

cage...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and

to

> > > > satisfy

> > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > > > individual

> > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one

> of " High

> > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad,

freedom

> > nor

> > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in

> fact,no

> > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe

and

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

> > saying'to

> > > > our

> > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this

state

> > and

> > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the

divided

> > and

> > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that

is

> > are

> > > > ONE,

> > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth is

> > absent

> > > > and

> > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > > > >

> > > > > ..bob

> > > > > .......bob

> > > > >

> > > > in short....

> > > > everything you do is selfish...

> > > > high indifference is beyond...

> > > >

> > > > then...

> > > > why do....

> > > > why not just be high indifference...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor

impossible

> to

> > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

> > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case',

there

> > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual teachers

> nor

> > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list

> > pertaining

> > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the

Way

> > is

> > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish

> behaviour

> > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish

habits

> > that

> > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

> > >

> > > ......bob

> > >

> > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> just who among us here is not?

>

> ..bob

>

selfish ?

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

<iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love

to

> > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> there...some

> > > say

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to

put a

> > > bird

> > > > in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love as

> > > > well...but

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> love...now

> > > the

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> imprison

> > a

> > > > bird

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

wrong...but

> > > > whats

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let

the

> > bird

> > > > fly

> > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> with

> > > the

> > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > indifference

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in a

> > cage

> > > or

> > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully in

> > > light...

> > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > please tell me....

> > > > >

> > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > >

> > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > >

> > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

endless

> > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > >

> > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing

a

> > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > >

> > > it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling

some

> > > people in here.....whats your view of things about....

> > >

> > > some people in here.....they are aware of writing

to.....nobody

> > > specially ....when the write in here....

> > >

> > > it's like a talk to themself...

> > >

> > > for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " .....

> > > at least ...it give this impression

> > >

> > > you talk about the " natural state " ....

> > > i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you

> completely

> > > up.....in whole of being.....

> > >

> > > you talk about " selfish " hunger....?....

> > > it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way...

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > thank you marc...

> > I am not what I seem to you...

> > I will never be...

> > what seem to you is your mind only...

> > as you said...youre talking to yourself...

> > your wishes is not for me...

> > what fills up...comes down..

> > like clouds in the sky...

> > what concern you deeply marc ?

> > ...iietsa

>

>

> don't worry....mind is calm...

>

> you don't like my wishes?....:)

>

> ok...you areen't forced to accept my wishes...

>

> i think that, what concern me.....is not realy of your interest...

>

> Marc

>

>

> >

>

I never think....

so in a way you think right...

....iietsa

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> <iietsa@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give love

> to

> > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > there...some

> > > > say

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not to

> put a

> > > > bird

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is love

as

> > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> > love...now

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> > imprison

> > > a

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

> wrong...but

> > > > > whats

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not let

> the

> > > bird

> > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to interfere

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind of

> > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its in

a

> > > cage

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not fully

in

> > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

> endless

> > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural state...

> > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural state ?

> > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by doing

> a

> > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a cage...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > it seem that you are much attached to the idea...of telling

> some

> > > > people in here.....whats your view of things about....

> > > >

> > > > some people in here.....they are aware of writing

> to.....nobody

> > > > specially ....when the write in here....

> > > >

> > > > it's like a talk to themself...

> > > >

> > > > for you....definitly....it's a talk to " others " .....

> > > > at least ...it give this impression

> > > >

> > > > you talk about the " natural state " ....

> > > > i have best wishes that exactly this state....fills you

> > completely

> > > > up.....in whole of being.....

> > > >

> > > > you talk about " selfish " hunger....?....

> > > > it seem that this what concern you deeply....in some way...

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: the natural state....is behind all this.....here

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > thank you marc...

> > > I am not what I seem to you...

> > > I will never be...

> > > what seem to you is your mind only...

> > > as you said...youre talking to yourself...

> > > your wishes is not for me...

> > > what fills up...comes down..

> > > like clouds in the sky...

> > > what concern you deeply marc ?

> > > ...iietsa

> >

> >

> > don't worry....mind is calm...

> >

> > you don't like my wishes?....:)

> >

> > ok...you areen't forced to accept my wishes...

> >

> > i think that, what concern me.....is not realy of your interest...

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> I never think....

> so in a way you think right...

> ...iietsa

 

 

:)

>

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> <iietsa@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> > > <iietsa@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give

> love

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > > > there...some

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not

> to

> > > put a

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is

> love

> > as

> > > > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> > > > love...now

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> > > > imprison

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

> > > wrong...but

> > > > > > > whats

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not

> let

> > > the

> > > > > bird

> > > > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to

> interfere

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind

> of

> > > > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its

> in

> > a

> > > > > cage

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not

> fully

> > in

> > > > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

> > > endless

> > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural

state...

> > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural

state ?

> > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by

> doing

> > > a

> > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a

> cage...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and

> to

> > > > > satisfy

> > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > > > > individual

> > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one

> > of " High

> > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad,

> freedom

> > > nor

> > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in

> > fact,no

> > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe

> and

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

> > > saying'to

> > > > > our

> > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this

> state

> > > and

> > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the

> divided

> > > and

> > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that

> is

> > > are

> > > > > ONE,

> > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth

is

> > > absent

> > > > > and

> > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ..bob

> > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > >

> > > > > in short....

> > > > > everything you do is selfish...

> > > > > high indifference is beyond...

> > > > >

> > > > > then...

> > > > > why do....

> > > > > why not just be high indifference...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor

> impossible

> > to

> > > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

> > > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case',

> there

> > > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual

teachers

> > nor

> > > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list

> > > pertaining

> > > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the

> Way

> > > is

> > > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish

> > behaviour

> > > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish

> habits

> > > that

> > > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

> > > >

> > > > ......bob

> > > >

> > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > just who among us here is not?

> >

> > ..bob

> >

> selfish ?

>

that's the question yes.

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>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> > <iietsa@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> > > > <iietsa@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to give

> > love

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > > > > there...some

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is freedom...not

> > to

> > > > put a

> > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness is

> > love

> > > as

> > > > > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of dark

> > > > > love...now

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but anyway...why

> > > > > imprison

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

> > > > wrong...but

> > > > > > > > whats

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why not

> > let

> > > > the

> > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to

> > interfere

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a kind

> > of

> > > > > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if its

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not

> > fully

> > > in

> > > > > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who have

> > > > endless

> > > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural

> state...

> > > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural

> state ?

> > > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger by

> > doing

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a

> > cage...

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of and

> > to

> > > > > > satisfy

> > > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as an

> > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one

> > > of " High

> > > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad,

> > freedom

> > > > nor

> > > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and in

> > > fact,no

> > > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I believe

> > and

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is a 'dark

> > > > saying'to

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt. this

> > state

> > > > and

> > > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the

> > divided

> > > > and

> > > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all that

> > is

> > > > are

> > > > > > ONE,

> > > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and impossible....Truth

> is

> > > > absent

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ..bob

> > > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > in short....

> > > > > > everything you do is selfish...

> > > > > > high indifference is beyond...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > then...

> > > > > > why do....

> > > > > > why not just be high indifference...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor

> > impossible

> > > to

> > > > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

> > > > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the case',

> > there

> > > > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual

> teachers

> > > nor

> > > > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list

> > > > pertaining

> > > > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass either.the

> > Way

> > > > is

> > > > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish

> > > behaviour

> > > > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish

> > habits

> > > > that

> > > > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

> > > > >

> > > > > ......bob

> > > > >

> > > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > just who among us here is not?

> > >

> > > ..bob

> > >

> > selfish ?

> >

> that's the question yes.

>

 

 

i.e., C flat

or D major?

 

 

....

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

<iietsa@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> > > <iietsa@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

> > > > > <iietsa@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no good and there is no bad...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but somehow...there is a deep feeling to

give

> > > love

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > everything...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that little bird in the cage...why is it in

> > > > > > there...some

> > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of love...but the love I know is

freedom...not

> > > to

> > > > > put a

> > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for selfish reasons...somehow selfishness

is

> > > love

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well...but

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > love is not fully in light...its kind of

dark

> > > > > > love...now

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > > > > > itself is not what is beyond...but

anyway...why

> > > > > > imprison

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cage...whats the meaning...there is nothing

> > > > > wrong...but

> > > > > > > > > whats

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning...I mean if all is love...then why

not

> > > let

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bird

> > > > > > > > > fly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > freely...why do human selfishness have to

> > > interfere

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bird..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on this list there sometimes seem to be a

kind

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > indifference

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bird...like... I dont give a monkeys ass if

its

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > > > cage

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > not...its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all a dreambubble anyway...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this seeing is what I would call...love not

> > > fully

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > light...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ....speak freely...no fear...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > somebody in here who keep birds in cages.....?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > fear might make people lie....

> > > > > > > > > > > and say " there is no somebody "

> > > > > > > > > > > " all is just dream " and on an on...

> > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > please tell me....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > what are you " fighting for " ....?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (if not for....your inner peace and freedom....)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > some people can't handle some critics.....

> > > > > > > > > > normally this are exactly the same people....who

have

> > > > > endless

> > > > > > > > > > expections to themself....and so...to " others " to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > let the birds fly.......

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not fighting for....?

> > > > > > > > > peace and freedom are mere words for the natural

> > state...

> > > > > > > > > I am only asking...why not just taste the natural

> > state ?

> > > > > > > > > ...instead of trying to satisfy the selfish hunger

by

> > > doing

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > million different things...like putting birds in a

> > > cage...

> > > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > everything done in duality....including writing

> > > > > > > > this...EVERYTHING...is selfish....done in the name of

and

> > > to

> > > > > > > satisfy

> > > > > > > > selfish desire. as long as one is alive and living as

an

> > > > > > > individual

> > > > > > > > life, all is vanity. the natural state however is one

> > > > of " High

> > > > > > > > Indifference " , wherein and whereby not good nor bad,

> > > freedom

> > > > > nor

> > > > > > > > slavery, right nor wrong, love nor hate, indeed and

in

> > > > fact,no

> > > > > > > > duality obtains.This I have been told and this I

believe

> > > and

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > degree that I am able, I intuit. that this is

a 'dark

> > > > > saying'to

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > limited thought and feeling,there can be no doubt.

this

> > > state

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > condition is one of utter incomprehensibility to the

> > > divided

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > seperate self. and until the Father and Son, and all

that

> > > is

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > ONE,

> > > > > > > > it appears as utter foolishness and

impossible....Truth

> > is

> > > > > absent

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > unknown here among the community of lost souls.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ..bob

> > > > > > > > .......bob

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in short....

> > > > > > > everything you do is selfish...

> > > > > > > high indifference is beyond...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > then...

> > > > > > > why do....

> > > > > > > why not just be high indifference...

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > no the High Indifference is not beyond nor above nor

> > > impossible

> > > > to

> > > > > > perceive. It merely goes unrecognised. If it was easily

> > > > > > obtainable...this recognition of 'what is alredy the

case',

> > > there

> > > > > > would have been no presentations in life of spiritual

> > teachers

> > > > nor

> > > > > > teachings.and you and I writing back and forth on a list

> > > > > pertaining

> > > > > > to the nondual truth, would not have come to pass

either.the

> > > Way

> > > > > is

> > > > > > not difficult.just narrow.and requires certain unselfish

> > > > behaviour

> > > > > > patterns and beliefs, that we as the creatures of selfish

> > > habits

> > > > > that

> > > > > > we are, find hard to exercise in thought or deed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ......bob

> > > > > >

> > > > > the unselfish is only hard for the selfish...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > just who among us here is not?

> > > >

> > > > ..bob

> > > >

> > > selfish ?

> > >

> > that's the question yes.

> >

>

>

> i.e., C flat

> or D major?

>

>

> ...

>

it's a twelve-tone piece with no defined key.

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