Guest guest Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > > I am talking to everyone who is a part of my oneness. > the false identities and the others... the only false identity could be your own..... in fact....your identity is identic with the percieved others > > in my oneness, it is about the realisation of all, > because all are part of my oneness... also the others. so...when you reach realisation..... then " your " percieved world is also realised.... whoever want to realise the world....instead of oneself..... is like the one who want to be awake....during sleep > > false identification would be to identify with the others, > but if oneness is, how can identifying with the others be false ? false identification is everything concerning....the perieved world.... as long there is seer as long there is seeing... as long there is seen.... and identification with the seer.....seeing....seen there is false identification Shankara: there is neither seer, seen, seeing.....but there is nothing but absolut reality the mind is what is seeing.....what is seer....what is seen.... mind is mind...... it's time and space related whatever is time and space related....let appear the world ............and is of/by mind only............ mind can lead to most confusions.....to most ego....to most selfishness....to most fabuloes illusions and dreams.... mind can also liberate from all this illusions..... whenever it is calm....and peaceful...... it is on the path....to real Self..... so now to oneness.....: it's true that the (ego) mind only get this necessary peace.... when it's not too much busy with the world... how to get detachment from the world... best to live in peace with ...ALL.... to let All....be freely on the Same path.... Oneness is given by the love/peace that, in reality, you deeply are.... like every appearing person else is too > > the real self is not different from the false, > awareness is the only thing which seperates them. this is a fantastic illusion.... but ok.....it's your view of things.... and if you get peace with it.....go on... > > it may be ignorant to take this little entity....for the real self > .... but it is the only identity i have... or do you have another ? > yes.... there are a few entities who take themself....for the real self.... thats fabuloes..... realy wonderful... it's of great spectacle sometimes.... when it come to reality.... they hide behind : " all is one " " i am God " " you too are God " " all is fine " " love, love, love " ..... " bla bla bla " ... Lulu,....i don't want to discuss more about philosophie with you if you like mind-games....and philosophie.... if you like to save the world (yourself).... if you like to be a mirror....or not.... if you are real self...or false self.... please....enjoy so thank you Marc > Lu > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > when we speak of identity i'm thinking of something individual, maybe > i should look up the meaning of identity in the dictionery, i believe > someone recently posted an explanation, which i unconsciously noticed > saying that identity comes from the word " idea " ... > > Lulu P; Interesting that identity comes from the Latin words idem (same) and the word identidem (repeatedly) An identity also denotes a particularization. So we can define an identity as a feeling of standing apart which is always felt as being the same. A particularization, a standing apart repeated again, and again when performing a social role. Can this identity be dropped when not acting socially? Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > when we speak of identity i'm thinking of something individual, maybe > > i should look up the meaning of identity in the dictionery, i believe > > someone recently posted an explanation, which i unconsciously noticed > > saying that identity comes from the word " idea " ... > > > > Lulu > > P; Interesting that identity comes from the Latin > words idem (same) and the word identidem (repeatedly) > An identity also denotes a particularization. So we can > define an identity as a feeling of standing apart which > is always felt as being the same. A particularization, > a standing apart repeated again, and again when performing > a social role. Can this identity be dropped when not acting > socially? Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has > no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself. Have you thought of the model that the alone is the sole identity in universe ? " playing " every identity, ... Lulu repeating ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has > no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself. > > > Have you thought of the model that the alone is the sole identity in universe ? > > " playing " every identity, ... > > So account for this... > a woman wrote: > > That's an interesting idea! I don't have any experience with > it, as I can't produce any milk :-( > Bones (Larry Eptstein aka Epston) wrote / replied: > Maybe it's a personality things. You know, > self-centered, selfish, non-giving. ----- I replied... and it was Zen and the Art of replying... (read on/cross posting but so what, you have a maniac in your midst... try to help him before he helps himself) ------------------- Malc> Tears of sad rage came to my eyes when I read this. Guys cry too. (Is that what you wanted " Bones " ? You got it.) Mum of my ds, her third son, after having breast fed the previous two, just couldn't with the third. Not from day one. Nothing happened. This was mystery. As a healthy, natural living, easy going, person, with a " normal " pregnancy (except ds didn't seem too crazy to make an appearance), when he did, he was born at home, like the previous son, very laid back atmosphere generally, despite the hugeness of the baby (just under a stone), an uncomplicated birth, but no milk. It was really depressing for her, I mean really depressing. She had breastfed the previous two until they naturally tired of it, she loved the experience. She thinks a lot of breastfeeding, that it is important etc. The depression led to one thing after another especially after the baby kind of sussed that there was nothing to be had by suckling, and gave up the suckling bit. He wouldn't suck, one of the most natural instincts in a baby. He went on a down spiral, wouldn't and couldn't eat, lost weight at such a speed I had to more or less force feed him with a syringe (without needle of course! just squirting the formula in the mouth bit by bit, drop by drop) joined to my little finger to try and encourage the sucking action again, while Mum, bed ridden with depression, also on a downward spiral, tried everything, supplements, pumps, acupuncture, massage - but nothing. Boy oh boy, was she sad about this. It was a difficult time for all I can tell you. I don't care for opinion on whether it was merited, that was what happened. So when the loving, selfless and caring Larry Epstein, comes up with a statement as quoted above, a statement designed to hurt, I think very profoundly hurt, and very much designed, a statement in my opinion so odious and vile, so.... gods help me if he said that in a " face to face " situation I would have taken his head off, after that is, having consulted a lawyer as to how he could be cleaned out of every possible cent and possession on the grounds of mental cruelty, and been subjected to as much public humiliation as could be mustered. Yes, the head would be on a stake at the gate. I have never in my long long years of running, partaking in and following Public E-groups (I have been at this for 20 years, yes my dears, before the WWW was invented), ever come accross such a piece of slime as the Larry Epstein. To make such a statement, not even in a general sense, but directed at an individual, is in my opinion a social crime. In fact I wonder, I really wonder, if this poor soul is in desperate, urgent need of serious psychiatric help. I fear the worse. It could well be he is a total psychopath. They are always so charming you see... the serial killers and maniacs are always described by those who knew them as " such a nice person... I had no idea... " . Well I do have an idea and he makes my flesh crawl. I see sickness and a twisted brain. I see a cruel and vicious person who needs help. I see a disaster in the making. There are lines and limits, but personal attacks on that level, combined with lies and cover ups and dodging around women the way he does on multiple groups, god knows what " chat rooms " he infests, I see a crime happening connected with Larry Epstein. I don't want to see his " handle " on my door. I like this group, and its tolerance (I'm still here!), its humour and above all it is a " really helpful " group. At least I find it so. I have this feeling about this person that is not good, there is something profoundly and consistently sick about his posts. He's going to crack one day and I don't want to be there to see it. Hence the vote. And we " know " , Deniz, that your " kitchen is not a democracy " (quote Gordon W - http://tinyurl.com/b2ypw), but as Dictator, could you not politely ask the Epstein to desist the personal attacks or leave, or at least put his posts on hold for a while in the hope he gets bored and goes away somewhere else. I think in fact if he had made such a comment to the subject of my breastfeeding story, as a " post " , not even " to her face " , she might have seriously ... well, done something undoable. Sincerely, Malc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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