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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

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> I am talking to everyone who is a part of my oneness.

> the false identities and the others...

 

the only false identity could be your own.....

in fact....your identity is identic with the percieved others

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> in my oneness, it is about the realisation of all,

> because all are part of my oneness... also the others.

 

so...when you reach realisation.....

then " your " percieved world is also realised....

 

whoever want to realise the world....instead of oneself.....

is like the one who want to be awake....during sleep

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> false identification would be to identify with the others,

> but if oneness is, how can identifying with the others be false ?

 

false identification is everything concerning....the perieved

world....

 

as long there is seer

as long there is seeing...

as long there is seen....

 

and identification with the seer.....seeing....seen

 

there is false identification

 

Shankara:

 

there is neither seer, seen, seeing.....but there is nothing but

absolut reality

 

 

the mind is what is seeing.....what is seer....what is seen....

 

mind is mind......

 

it's time and space related

 

whatever is time and space related....let appear the world

 

............and is of/by mind only............

 

 

mind can lead to most confusions.....to most ego....to most

selfishness....to most fabuloes illusions and dreams....

 

mind can also liberate from all this illusions.....

 

whenever it is calm....and peaceful......

it is on the path....to real Self.....

 

so now to oneness.....:

 

it's true that the (ego) mind only get this necessary peace....

when it's not too much busy with the world...

 

how to get detachment from the world...

 

best to live in peace with ...ALL....

 

to let All....be freely on the Same path....

 

Oneness is given by the love/peace that, in reality, you deeply

are....

 

like every appearing person else is too

 

 

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> the real self is not different from the false,

> awareness is the only thing which seperates them.

 

this is a fantastic illusion....

 

but ok.....it's your view of things....

and if you get peace with it.....go on...

 

 

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> it may be ignorant to take this little entity....for the real

self

> .... but it is the only identity i have... or do you have

another ?

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yes....

 

there are a few entities who take themself....for the real self....

 

thats fabuloes.....

 

realy wonderful...

 

it's of great spectacle sometimes....

 

when it come to reality....

 

they hide behind : " all is one " " i am God " " you too are God " " all is

fine " " love, love, love " ..... " bla bla bla " ...

 

Lulu,....i don't want to discuss more about philosophie with you

 

 

if you like mind-games....and philosophie....

 

if you like to save the world (yourself)....

 

if you like to be a mirror....or not....

 

if you are real self...or false self....

 

please....enjoy so

 

thank you

 

Marc

 

 

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On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote:

 

> when we speak of identity i'm thinking of something individual, maybe

> i should look up the meaning of identity in the dictionery, i believe

> someone recently posted an explanation, which i unconsciously noticed

> saying that identity comes from the word " idea " ...

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> Lulu

 

P; Interesting that identity comes from the Latin

words idem (same) and the word identidem (repeatedly)

An identity also denotes a particularization. So we can

define an identity as a feeling of standing apart which

is always felt as being the same. A particularization,

a standing apart repeated again, and again when performing

a social role. Can this identity be dropped when not acting

socially? Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has

no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

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> On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:10 AM, Nisargadatta wrote:

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> > when we speak of identity i'm thinking of something individual,

maybe

> > i should look up the meaning of identity in the dictionery, i

believe

> > someone recently posted an explanation, which i unconsciously

noticed

> > saying that identity comes from the word " idea " ...

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> > Lulu

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> P; Interesting that identity comes from the Latin

> words idem (same) and the word identidem (repeatedly)

> An identity also denotes a particularization. So we can

> define an identity as a feeling of standing apart which

> is always felt as being the same. A particularization,

> a standing apart repeated again, and again when performing

> a social role. Can this identity be dropped when not acting

> socially? Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has

> no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself.

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Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has

no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself.

 

 

Have you thought of the model that the alone is the sole identity in universe

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" playing " every identity, ...

 

Lulu repeating ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

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> Yes, it can. The Alone needs no identity, it has

> no need to stand apart from itself to sense itself as itself.

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> Have you thought of the model that the alone is the sole identity

in universe ?

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> " playing " every identity, ...

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So account for this...

 

> a woman wrote:

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> That's an interesting idea!

I don't have any experience with

> it, as I can't produce any milk :-(

 

> Bones (Larry Eptstein aka Epston)

wrote / replied:

 

> Maybe it's a personality things. You know,

> self-centered, selfish, non-giving.

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I replied... and it was Zen and the Art of replying...

 

(read on/cross posting but so what, you have a maniac in your midst...

try to help him before he helps himself)

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Malc>

Tears of sad rage came to my eyes when I read this.

 

Guys cry too.

(Is that what you wanted " Bones " ? You got it.)

 

Mum of my ds, her third son, after having breast fed the previous two,

just couldn't with the third.

Not from day one. Nothing happened. This was mystery. As a healthy,

natural living, easy going, person, with a " normal " pregnancy (except

ds didn't seem too crazy to make an appearance), when he did, he was

born at home, like the previous son, very laid back atmosphere

generally, despite the hugeness of the baby (just under a stone), an

uncomplicated birth, but no milk.

 

It was really depressing for her, I mean really depressing. She had

breastfed the previous two until they naturally tired of it, she loved

the experience. She thinks a lot of breastfeeding, that it is important

etc.

 

The depression led to one thing after another especially after the baby

kind of sussed that there was nothing to be had by suckling, and gave

up the suckling bit. He wouldn't suck, one of the most natural

instincts in a baby. He went on a down spiral, wouldn't and couldn't

eat, lost weight at such a speed I had to more or less force feed him

with a syringe (without needle of course! just squirting the formula

in the mouth bit by bit, drop by drop) joined to my little finger to

try and encourage the sucking action again, while Mum, bed ridden with

depression, also on a downward spiral, tried everything, supplements,

pumps, acupuncture, massage - but nothing. Boy oh boy, was she sad

about this.

It was a difficult time for all I can tell you.

I don't care for opinion on whether it was merited, that was what

happened.

 

So when the loving, selfless and caring Larry Epstein, comes up with a

statement as quoted above, a statement designed to hurt, I think very

profoundly hurt, and very much designed, a statement in my opinion so

odious and vile, so.... gods help me if he said that in a " face to

face " situation I would have taken his head off, after that is, having

consulted a lawyer as to how he could be cleaned out of every possible

cent and possession on the grounds of mental cruelty, and been

subjected to as much public humiliation as could be mustered. Yes, the

head would be on a stake at the gate.

 

I have never in my long long years of running, partaking in and

following Public E-groups (I have been at this for 20 years, yes my

dears, before the WWW was invented), ever come accross such a piece of

slime as the Larry Epstein.

 

To make such a statement, not even in a general sense, but directed at

an individual, is in my opinion a social crime. In fact I wonder, I

really wonder, if this poor soul is in desperate, urgent need of

serious psychiatric help. I fear the worse. It could well be he is a

total psychopath. They are always so charming you see... the serial

killers and maniacs are always described by those who knew them as

" such a nice person... I had no idea... " .

Well I do have an idea and he makes my flesh crawl. I see sickness and

a twisted brain. I see a cruel and vicious person who needs help. I see

a disaster in the making.

 

There are lines and limits, but personal attacks on that level,

combined with lies and cover ups and dodging around women the way he

does on multiple groups, god knows what " chat rooms " he infests, I see

a crime happening connected with Larry Epstein. I don't want to see his

" handle " on my door.

 

I like this group, and its tolerance (I'm still here!), its humour and

above all it is a " really helpful " group. At least I find it so. I have

this feeling about this person that is not good, there is something

profoundly and consistently sick about his posts. He's going to crack

one day and I don't want to be there to see it.

 

Hence the vote. And we " know " , Deniz, that your " kitchen is not a

democracy " (quote Gordon W - http://tinyurl.com/b2ypw), but as

Dictator, could you not politely ask the Epstein to desist the personal

attacks or leave, or at least put his posts on hold for a while in the

hope he gets bored and goes away somewhere else.

 

I think in fact if he had made such a comment to the subject of my

breastfeeding story, as a " post " , not even " to her face " , she might

have seriously ... well, done something undoable.

 

Sincerely,

 

Malc

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