Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. Anyway, I wrote the following: --- Chaos is the non graspable non idea. All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. The ego is real but only to itself. The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared morphogenetic field of the trace. The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which might be called the direct manifestations of God. As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal, that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or focusing of no-thingness. Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the bifurcation of it. And God is chaos as the unknowable. The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is Truth. The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is visible in all things. Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. --- Hope you found it interesting:-) Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > --- > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > The ego is real but only to itself. > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared > morphogenetic field of the trace. > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal, > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or > focusing of no-thingness. > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the > bifurcation of it. > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is > Truth. > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > visible in all things. > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > --- > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > Stu > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would find it interesting? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > shared > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > fractal, > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is > the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > find it interesting? > > > > toombaru > now where are those goggles again... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > shared > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > fractal, > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is > the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > find it interesting? > > > > toombaru > it's a nice comment.........but why do 'you' ask this? .......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > shared > > morphogenetic field of the trance. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the " chaos " . > The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of " chaos " . > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order ... > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the " chaos " , and space is > the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu / ... I think it was very refreshing to read, the one thing that is always there rings very interesting, feel free to extend ... the only word i coundn't relate to is fractal, i therefore replaced it by chaos ... Lu Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > chaos. > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > --- > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > shared > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > The > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > fractal, > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > selves or > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > shaping or > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > is > > the > > > bifurcation of it. > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > that is > > > Truth. > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > visible in all things. > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > --- > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > it's a nice comment.........but why do 'you' ask this? > > .......bob > The assumption that the thoughts which flows through the the self can be of benefit to others is an egoic delusion. By the time Nisargadatta enters a life story......it is a solitary journey. Hoping that others will find what one writes entertaining is a diversion that takes the focus off the ego and allows it a little wiggle room. It's a very clever little monkey. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote: > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > --- > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > The ego is real but only to itself. > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared > morphogenetic field of the trace. > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal, > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or > focusing of no-thingness. > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the > bifurcation of it. > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is > Truth. > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > visible in all things. > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > --- > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > Stu > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. Especially like: > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. That pretty much sums it up. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > > chaos. > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > --- > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > > a doer. > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > > shared > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > > The > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > > fractal, > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > > selves or > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > > shaping or > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > > is > > > the > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > > that is > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > > visible in all things. > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > it's a nice comment.........but why do 'you' ask this? > > > > .......bob > > > > > > > The assumption that the thoughts which flows through the the self can > be of benefit to others is an egoic delusion. > > > By the time Nisargadatta enters a life story......it is a solitary > journey. > > > Hoping that others will find what one writes entertaining is a > diversion that takes the focus off the ego and allows it a little > wiggle room. > > It's a very clever little monkey. > > > > toombaru > obviously not clever enough, he NEVER hides..... this monkey of yours....it doesn't wiggle, it wallows..... in self importance and delusions of granduer. never wanting to admit that it is the one who cavorts about the stage of your circus, it alludes to solitary aloneness, and how of course all is just for the hell of it all and that in some mystical, magical way, it just acts at the behest of this Unknown Voice, which is not part and parcel of 'thought which flows through the self', which this Grander Overlord sees assuming, that which He of course does not, i.e. that it can benifit 'others'..... but hidden, speaking through the wiggling monkey, this Unmoved Mover and Unknown Knowing, Posesser of 'The Understanding' is in fact being of greatest edification for all and sundry as the 'toombaru', and not the egoic monkey who danced about the typewriter thinking up the nonsense. well, I am entertained (as well as others I'm sure), but not baffled or buffaloed by you and your monkey.....you have your times and you also don't have your times....this is one of those you don't. you are just, like us all, trying to speak the unspeakable......but you and the simian on your back try to speak AS that Understanding, and it's comical as well as entertaining, whereas it should be that: " Everybody's Got Something To Hide But Me And My Monkey " ,(thank you John Lennon), you try to hide yourself, and say it's all just this monkey deal that most folks have to unfortunately deal with all the time, whereas you as Grand Guru and Unknown Master, just allow it a little jiggle space, as a concessionary diversion for the needs of your benefactors to receive your wisdom. Ho Ho hehehe!....... .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote: > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal, > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu > > > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. > > Especially like: > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > That pretty much sums it up. > > Bill chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it neither IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain emptiness. void. .......bob > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > chaos. > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > --- > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > shared > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > The > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > fractal, > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > selves or > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > shaping or > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > is the > > > bifurcation of it. > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > that is > > > Truth. > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > visible in all things. > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > --- > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > Stu > > > > > > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. > > > > Especially like: > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > That pretty much sums it up. > > > > Bill > > > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it neither > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain > emptiness. void. > > .......bob 'chaos' is All there is, in these endless nuances of THIS, ever being alluded to, ever being deluded in and ever being lived as until one is aware of: Abiding. Now to live in abiding, well...;-) Love, Anna Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or > running > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > > chaos. > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > --- > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as > the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an > ego, > > a doer. > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > shared > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the > fractal. > > The > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors > which > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > fractal, > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > selves or > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > shaping or > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and > space > > is the > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > that is > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > > visible in all things. > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as > the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an > ego, > > a doer. > > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. > > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. > > > > > > Especially like: > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > That pretty much sums it up. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it > neither > > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain > > emptiness. void. > > > > .......bob > > > > 'chaos' is All there is, in these endless nuances of THIS, ever > being alluded to, ever being deluded in and ever being lived as > until one is aware of: > > Abiding. > > Now to live in abiding, well...;-) > > > Love, > Anna > > > > Anna ;-) ahhh! the poetry of Life as Lived.....it's a beautiful thing Ana! ...bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > shared > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > fractal, > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is > the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > find it interesting? > > > > toombaru > no different from above " why " question... both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct is quite boring there is no point whatsoever in raising the above question Stu said something fresh and interesting. toombaru's reply did not. only freshness counts, in my view " correctness " counts not a whit Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > shared > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > fractal, > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is > the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > find it interesting? Because it is my wish to not give people things that they are unwilling to experience. As the they say, " Do no harm " . Stu > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > chaos. > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > --- > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > shared > > > morphogenetic field of the trance. > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the " chaos " . > > The > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > might be called the direct manifestations of " chaos " . > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order ... > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > selves or > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > shaping or > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the " chaos " , and space > is > > the > > > bifurcation of it. > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > that is > > > Truth. > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > visible in all things. > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > --- > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > Stu / ... > > > I think it was very refreshing to read, the one thing that is always there rings very interesting, feel free to extend ... the only word i coundn't relate to is fractal, i therefore replaced it by chaos ... > > Lu > What about " fractal " did you not like in this context? To me the pattern is the beauty of the fractal and is the hidden order within chaos. Possibly I have a misunderstanding about what a fractal is... Stu > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote: > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal, > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu > > > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer. > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. I guess I am saying that I believe that awareness both IS as absolute Truth as a " Not Know " (the state above that of knowing information)... And that at the same time awareness falls down or divides up into duality as trance. This is of course just a story... > > Especially like: > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > That pretty much sums it up. To me both statements, the one you agreed with and the one you didn't agree with, both said the same thing... Stu > > Bill > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > chaos. > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > --- > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > shared > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > The > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > fractal, > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > selves or > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > shaping or > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > is the > > > bifurcation of it. > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > that is > > > Truth. > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > visible in all things. > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > --- > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > Stu > > > > > > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > a doer. > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. > > > > Especially like: > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > That pretty much sums it up. > > > > Bill > > > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it neither > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain > emptiness. void. > I agree in that all we think and say are just egoic stories, but these stories may be fingers pointing at the moon... Of course, there is no moon from the moon because it is the " Not Know " , but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego. Stu > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote: > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a > > trance (or running > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a > > trance, as chaos. > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis > > Wier. > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > --- > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the > > chaos. > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the > > chaos, no doer, no > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an > > ego. > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming > > and going as the > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a > > self, an ego, a doer. > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other > > within the shared > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of > > the fractal. The > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange > > attractors which > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden > > order or fractal, > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self > > proclaimed selves or > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly > > random shaping or > > focusing of no-thingness. > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the > > fractal, and space is the > > bifurcation of it. > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is > > the chaos that is > > Truth. > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things > > reveals > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > Self in all things refers to the one single > > commonality that is > > visible in all things. > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is > > always there. > > --- > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > Stu > > > Yes...are you a budding Sheldrake? Sheldrake is a visionary. Whoever then took morphogenetic field theory and developed " Constellation " group therapy is a genius. And Max Sander who took Constellation processing one step further to what he calls " Skywork " , may be an even greater genius:-) But all the highest level of sanity in the world is still egoic sanity...:-) Stu > > > Noel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > chaos. > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > --- > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > shared > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > The > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > fractal, > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > selves or > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > shaping or > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > is > > the > > > bifurcation of it. > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > that is > > > Truth. > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > visible in all things. > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > --- > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > is quite boring > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > question > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > toombaru's reply did not. > > only freshness counts, in my view > " correctness " counts not a whit > > Bill > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of 'fresh' ideas. It need new food every day. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos. > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > --- > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > shared > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > The > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > fractal, > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > selves or > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > shaping or > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is > > the > > > bifurcation of it. > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > that is > > > Truth. > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > visible in all things. > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > --- > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > > find it interesting? > > Because it is my wish to not give people things that they are > unwilling to experience. As the they say, " Do no harm " . > > Stu > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > What are your shoes made of? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > > chaos. > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > --- > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > shared > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > The > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > fractal, > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > selves or > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > shaping or > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > > is the > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > that is > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > > visible in all things. > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. > > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. > > > > > > Especially like: > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > That pretty much sums it up. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it neither > > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain > > emptiness. void. > > > > I agree in that all we think and say are just egoic stories, but these > stories may be fingers pointing at the moon... > Of course, there is no moon from the moon because it is the " Not > Know " , but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego. > > Stu unquestionably true stu. > > .......bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > > chaos. > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > --- > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > > a doer. > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > > shared > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > > The > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > > fractal, > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > > selves or > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > > shaping or > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > > is > > > the > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > > that is > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > > visible in all things. > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > is quite boring > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > question > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > Bill > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > toombaru > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding. ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > > chaos. > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > --- > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > shared > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > The > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > fractal, > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > selves or > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > shaping or > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > > is the > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > that is > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > > visible in all things. > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line: > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > a doer. > > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going. > > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer. > > > > > > Especially like: > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > That pretty much sums it up. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it neither > > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain > > emptiness. void. > > > > I agree in that all we think and say are just egoic stories, but these > stories may be fingers pointing at the moon... > Of course, there is no moon from the moon because it is the " Not > Know " , but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego. > > Stu > > " but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego " ... ....from the ego...thats the (error)...but you dont see this because you are to much involved with stories pointing at the moon... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or > running > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > > > chaos. > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > --- > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > > > doer, no > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going > as the > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an > ego, > > > > a doer. > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > > > shared > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the > fractal. > > > > The > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors > which > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > > > fractal, > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > > > selves or > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > > > shaping or > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and > space > > > is > > > > the > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the > chaos > > > > that is > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that > is > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' > would > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > > is quite boring > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > question > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding. > > > ........bob > I am not an eater... ...so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as > > chaos. > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > --- > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no > > > doer, no > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, > > > a doer. > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the > > > shared > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. > > > The > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or > > > fractal, > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed > > > selves or > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random > > > shaping or > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space > > is > > > the > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos > > > that is > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is > > > > visible in all things. > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there. > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > is quite boring > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > question > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > Bill > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > toombaru > just word games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or > > running > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, > as > > > > chaos. > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, > no > > > > > doer, no > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and > going > > as the > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, > an > > ego, > > > > > a doer. > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within > the > > > > > shared > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the > > fractal. > > > > > The > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange > attractors > > which > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order > or > > > > > fractal, > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self > proclaimed > > > > > selves or > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly > random > > > > > shaping or > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and > > space > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the > > chaos > > > > > that is > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality > that > > is > > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always > there. > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope > that 'we' > > would > > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > > > is quite boring > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > > question > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of > > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding. > > > > > > ........bob > > > I am not an eater... > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ? > ...iietsa > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there is no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes like pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians, who can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to break religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down on 'fresh ideas'. :-) ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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