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I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos.

Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

 

Anyway, I wrote the following:

---

Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no

cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

The ego is real but only to itself.

The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer.

" Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared

morphogenetic field of the trace.

The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The

rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

might be called the direct manifestations of God.

As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal,

that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or

egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or

focusing of no-thingness.

Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the

bifurcation of it.

And God is chaos as the unknowable.

The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is

Truth.

 

The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

visible in all things.

Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

---

 

Hope you found it interesting:-)

Stu

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Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn

wrote:

>

> I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos.

> Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

>

> Anyway, I wrote the following:

> ---

> Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

doer, no

> cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> The ego is real but only to itself.

> The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

a doer.

> " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

shared

> morphogenetic field of the trace.

> The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

The

> rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

fractal,

> that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

selves or

> egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

shaping or

> focusing of no-thingness.

> Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is

the

> bifurcation of it.

> And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

that is

> Truth.

>

> The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> visible in all things.

> Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> ---

>

> Hope you found it interesting:-)

> Stu

>

 

 

That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would

find it interesting?

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as

the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

fractal.

> The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> fractal,

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space

is

> the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu

> >

>

>

> That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we'

would

> find it interesting?

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

now where are those goggles again...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

> The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> fractal,

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space

is

> the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu

> >

>

>

> That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would

> find it interesting?

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

it's a nice comment.........but why do 'you' ask this?

 

.......bob

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> Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trance.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the " chaos " .

> The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of " chaos " .

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order ...

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the " chaos " , and space

is

> the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu / ...

 

 

I think it was very refreshing to read, the one thing that is always there

rings very interesting, feel free to extend ... the only word i coundn't relate

to is fractal, i therefore replaced it by chaos ...

 

Lu

 

 

 

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starting at 1¢/min.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> chaos.

> > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > ---

> > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> > a doer.

> > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > shared

> > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

> > The

> > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > fractal,

> > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > selves or

> > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > shaping or

> > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space

> is

> > the

> > > bifurcation of it.

> > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> > that is

> > > Truth.

> > >

> > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > > visible in all things.

> > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > ---

> > >

> > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > Stu

> > >

> >

> >

> > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would

> > find it interesting?

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> it's a nice comment.........but why do 'you' ask this?

>

> .......bob

>

 

 

 

 

The assumption that the thoughts which flows through the the self can

be of benefit to others is an egoic delusion.

 

 

By the time Nisargadatta enters a life story......it is a solitary

journey.

 

 

Hoping that others will find what one writes entertaining is a

diversion that takes the focus off the ego and allows it a little

wiggle room.

 

It's a very clever little monkey.

 

 

 

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--- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote:

 

> I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos.

> Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

>

> Anyway, I wrote the following:

> ---

> Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no

> cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> The ego is real but only to itself.

> The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer.

> " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared

> morphogenetic field of the trace.

> The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The

> rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal,

> that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or

> egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or

> focusing of no-thingness.

> Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the

> bifurcation of it.

> And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is

> Truth.

>

> The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> visible in all things.

> Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> ---

>

> Hope you found it interesting:-)

> Stu

>

 

Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego, a doer.

I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

 

Especially like:

> The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no

> cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

running

> > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> > chaos.

> > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > ---

> > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> > > a doer.

> > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > > shared

> > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

fractal.

> > > The

> > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors

which

> > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > > fractal,

> > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > > selves or

> > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > > shaping or

> > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

space

> > is

> > > the

> > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

chaos

> > > that is

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that

is

> > > > visible in all things.

> > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > Stu

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we'

would

> > > find it interesting?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > it's a nice comment.........but why do 'you' ask this?

> >

> > .......bob

> >

>

>

>

>

> The assumption that the thoughts which flows through the the self

can

> be of benefit to others is an egoic delusion.

>

>

> By the time Nisargadatta enters a life story......it is a solitary

> journey.

>

>

> Hoping that others will find what one writes entertaining is a

> diversion that takes the focus off the ego and allows it a little

> wiggle room.

>

> It's a very clever little monkey.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

obviously not clever enough, he NEVER hides..... this monkey of

yours....it doesn't wiggle, it wallows..... in self importance and

delusions of granduer. never wanting to admit that it is the one who

cavorts about the stage of your circus, it alludes to solitary

aloneness, and how of course all is just for the hell of it all and

that in some mystical, magical way, it just acts at the behest of

this Unknown Voice, which is not part and parcel of 'thought which

flows through the self', which this Grander Overlord sees assuming,

that which He of course does not, i.e. that it can

benifit 'others'..... but hidden, speaking through the wiggling

monkey, this Unmoved Mover and Unknown Knowing, Posesser of 'The

Understanding' is in fact being of greatest edification for all and

sundry as the 'toombaru', and not the egoic monkey who danced about

the typewriter thinking up the nonsense. well, I am entertained (as

well as others I'm sure), but not baffled or buffaloed by you and

your monkey.....you have your times and you also don't have your

times....this is one of those you don't. you are just, like us all,

trying to speak the unspeakable......but you and the simian on your

back try to speak AS that Understanding, and it's comical as well as

entertaining, whereas it should be that: " Everybody's Got Something

To Hide But Me And My Monkey " ,(thank you John Lennon), you try to

hide yourself, and say it's all just this monkey deal that most folks

have to unfortunately deal with all the time, whereas you as Grand

Guru and Unknown Master, just allow it a little jiggle space, as a

concessionary diversion for the needs of your benefactors to receive

your wisdom. Ho Ho hehehe!.......

 

 

.........bob

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Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart

wrote:

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>

>

> --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote:

>

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

fractal,

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space

is the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu

> >

>

> Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

a doer.

> I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

> From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

>

> Especially like:

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> That pretty much sums it up.

>

> Bill

 

 

chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it neither

IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain

emptiness. void.

 

.......bob

 

 

 

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<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote:

> >

> > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

running

> > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> chaos.

> > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > ---

> > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as

the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> a doer.

> > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> shared

> > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

fractal.

> The

> > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors

which

> > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> fractal,

> > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> selves or

> > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> shaping or

> > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

space

> is the

> > > bifurcation of it.

> > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> that is

> > > Truth.

> > >

> > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > > visible in all things.

> > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > ---

> > >

> > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > Stu

> > >

> >

> > Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as

the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> a doer.

> > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

> > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

> >

> > Especially like:

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > That pretty much sums it up.

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it

neither

> IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain

> emptiness. void.

>

> .......bob

 

 

 

'chaos' is All there is, in these endless nuances of THIS, ever

being alluded to, ever being deluded in and ever being lived as

until one is aware of:

 

Abiding.

 

Now to live in abiding, well...;-)

 

 

Love,

Anna

 

 

 

Anna

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

> running

> > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> > chaos.

> > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > ---

> > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as

> the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

> ego,

> > a doer.

> > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > shared

> > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

> fractal.

> > The

> > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors

> which

> > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > fractal,

> > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > selves or

> > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > shaping or

> > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

> space

> > is the

> > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

chaos

> > that is

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that

is

> > > > visible in all things.

> > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > Stu

> > > >

> > >

> > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as

> the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

> ego,

> > a doer.

> > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

> > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

> > >

> > > Especially like:

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > That pretty much sums it up.

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it

> neither

> > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain

> > emptiness. void.

> >

> > .......bob

>

>

>

> 'chaos' is All there is, in these endless nuances of THIS, ever

> being alluded to, ever being deluded in and ever being lived as

> until one is aware of:

>

> Abiding.

>

> Now to live in abiding, well...;-)

>

>

> Love,

> Anna

>

>

>

> Anna

 

 

;-)

 

 

ahhh! the poetry of Life as Lived.....it's a beautiful thing Ana!

 

 

...bob

 

 

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

> The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> fractal,

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space

is

> the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu

> >

>

>

> That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would

> find it interesting?

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

no different from above " why " question...

 

both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

 

but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

is quite boring

 

there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

question

 

Stu said something fresh and interesting.

toombaru's reply did not.

 

only freshness counts, in my view

" correctness " counts not a whit

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

> The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> fractal,

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is

> the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu

> >

>

>

> That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would

> find it interesting?

 

Because it is my wish to not give people things that they are

unwilling to experience. As the they say, " Do no harm " .

 

Stu

 

>

>

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> chaos.

> > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > ---

> > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> > a doer.

> > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > shared

> > > morphogenetic field of the trance.

> > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the " chaos " .

> > The

> > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > > might be called the direct manifestations of " chaos " .

> > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order ...

> > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > selves or

> > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > shaping or

> > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the " chaos " , and space

> is

> > the

> > > bifurcation of it.

> > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> > that is

> > > Truth.

> > >

> > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > > visible in all things.

> > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > ---

> > >

> > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > Stu / ...

>

>

> I think it was very refreshing to read, the one thing that is

always there rings very interesting, feel free to extend ... the only

word i coundn't relate to is fractal, i therefore replaced it by chaos ...

>

> Lu

>

 

What about " fractal " did you not like in this context? To me the

pattern is the beauty of the fractal and is the hidden order within

chaos. Possibly I have a misunderstanding about what a fractal is...

 

Stu

 

 

>

>

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Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart wrote:

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>

>

> --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote:

>

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal. The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or fractal,

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu

> >

>

> Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

a doer.

> I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

> From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

 

 

I guess I am saying that I believe that awareness both IS as absolute

Truth as a " Not Know " (the state above that of knowing information)...

And that at the same time awareness falls down or divides up into

duality as trance. This is of course just a story...

 

>

> Especially like:

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> That pretty much sums it up.

 

To me both statements, the one you agreed with and the one you didn't

agree with, both said the same thing...

 

Stu

 

>

> Bill

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

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> Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote:

> >

> > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> chaos.

> > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > ---

> > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> a doer.

> > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> shared

> > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

> The

> > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> fractal,

> > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> selves or

> > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> shaping or

> > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space

> is the

> > > bifurcation of it.

> > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> that is

> > > Truth.

> > >

> > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > > visible in all things.

> > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > ---

> > >

> > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > Stu

> > >

> >

> > Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> a doer.

> > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

> > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

> >

> > Especially like:

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > That pretty much sums it up.

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it neither

> IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain

> emptiness. void.

>

 

I agree in that all we think and say are just egoic stories, but these

stories may be fingers pointing at the moon...

Of course, there is no moon from the moon because it is the " Not

Know " , but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego.

 

Stu

 

 

> .......bob

>

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> >

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Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote:

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>

>

> --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn wrote:

>

> > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a

> > trance (or running

> > computer program) is, and about the absence of a

> > trance, as chaos.

> > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis

> > Wier.

> >

> > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > ---

> > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the

> > chaos.

> > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the

> > chaos, no doer, no

> > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an

> > ego.

> > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming

> > and going as the

> > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a

> > self, an ego, a doer.

> > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other

> > within the shared

> > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of

> > the fractal. The

> > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange

> > attractors which

> > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden

> > order or fractal,

> > that has nothing to do with us as individual self

> > proclaimed selves or

> > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly

> > random shaping or

> > focusing of no-thingness.

> > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the

> > fractal, and space is the

> > bifurcation of it.

> > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is

> > the chaos that is

> > Truth.

> >

> > The practice of finding self revealed in all things

> > reveals

> > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > Self in all things refers to the one single

> > commonality that is

> > visible in all things.

> > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is

> > always there.

> > ---

> >

> > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > Stu

>

>

> Yes...are you a budding Sheldrake?

 

Sheldrake is a visionary.

Whoever then took morphogenetic field theory and developed

" Constellation " group therapy is a genius.

And Max Sander who took Constellation processing one step further to

what he calls " Skywork " , may be an even greater genius:-)

 

But all the highest level of sanity in the world is still egoic

sanity...:-)

 

Stu

 

>

> :)

> Noel

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> chaos.

> > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > ---

> > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> > a doer.

> > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > shared

> > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

> > The

> > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > fractal,

> > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > selves or

> > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > shaping or

> > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space

> is

> > the

> > > bifurcation of it.

> > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> > that is

> > > Truth.

> > >

> > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > > visible in all things.

> > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > ---

> > >

> > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > Stu

> > >

> >

> >

> > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would

> > find it interesting?

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> no different from above " why " question...

>

> both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

>

> but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> is quite boring

>

> there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> question

>

> Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> toombaru's reply did not.

>

> only freshness counts, in my view

> " correctness " counts not a whit

>

> Bill

>

 

 

 

The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of

'fresh' ideas.

 

 

 

It need new food every day.

 

 

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or running

> > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as chaos.

> > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > ---

> > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going as the

> > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an ego,

> > a doer.

> > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > shared

> > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the fractal.

> > The

> > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors which

> > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > fractal,

> > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > selves or

> > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > shaping or

> > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and space is

> > the

> > > bifurcation of it.

> > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the chaos

> > that is

> > > Truth.

> > >

> > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that is

> > > visible in all things.

> > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > ---

> > >

> > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > Stu

> > >

> >

> >

> > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we' would

> > find it interesting?

>

> Because it is my wish to not give people things that they are

> unwilling to experience. As the they say, " Do no harm " .

>

> Stu

>

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

 

 

 

What are your shoes made of?

 

 

 

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wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

running

> > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> > chaos.

> > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > ---

> > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> > a doer.

> > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > shared

> > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

fractal.

> > The

> > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors

which

> > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > fractal,

> > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > selves or

> > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > shaping or

> > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

space

> > is the

> > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

chaos

> > that is

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that

is

> > > > visible in all things.

> > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > Stu

> > > >

> > >

> > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> > a doer.

> > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

> > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

> > >

> > > Especially like:

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > That pretty much sums it up.

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it

neither

> > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain

> > emptiness. void.

> >

>

> I agree in that all we think and say are just egoic stories, but

these

> stories may be fingers pointing at the moon...

> Of course, there is no moon from the moon because it is the " Not

> Know " , but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego.

>

> Stu

 

unquestionably true stu.

 

 

 

> > .......bob

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

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>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

running

> > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> > chaos.

> > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > ---

> > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> > > a doer.

> > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > > shared

> > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

fractal.

> > > The

> > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors

which

> > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > > fractal,

> > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > > selves or

> > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > > shaping or

> > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

space

> > is

> > > the

> > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

chaos

> > > that is

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that

is

> > > > visible in all things.

> > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > Stu

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we'

would

> > > find it interesting?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > no different from above " why " question...

> >

> > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

> >

> > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > is quite boring

> >

> > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > question

> >

> > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > toombaru's reply did not.

> >

> > only freshness counts, in my view

> > " correctness " counts not a whit

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

>

>

> The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of

> 'fresh' ideas.

>

>

>

> It need new food every day.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding.

 

 

........bob

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Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , pliantheart <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- stuartkfmn <stuartkfmn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

running

> > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> > chaos.

> > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > ---

> > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos,

no

> > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> > a doer.

> > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within

the

> > shared

> > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

fractal.

> > The

> > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors

which

> > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > fractal,

> > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > selves or

> > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > shaping or

> > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

space

> > is the

> > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

chaos

> > that is

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that

is

> > > > visible in all things.

> > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > Stu

> > > >

> > >

> > > Fits pretty well for me except for the line:

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> > a doer.

> > > I wouldn't say the Truth sees itself coming and going.

> > > From the vantage point of Truth there is no self/ego/doer.

> > >

> > > Especially like:

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos,

no

> > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > That pretty much sums it up.

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > chaos is a concept. there is no such 'thing' or 'state'. it

neither

> > IS nor 'has no room'. emptiness CANNOT, not contain nor contain

> > emptiness. void.

> >

>

> I agree in that all we think and say are just egoic stories, but

these

> stories may be fingers pointing at the moon...

> Of course, there is no moon from the moon because it is the " Not

> Know " , but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego.

>

> Stu

>

>

" but there is, I think, a moon from the viewpoint of ego " ...

....from the ego...thats the (error)...but you dont see this because

you are to much involved with stories pointing at the moon...

....iietsa

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<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

<stuartkfmn@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

> running

> > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance,

as

> > > chaos.

> > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > ---

> > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos,

no

> > > > doer, no

> > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and

going

> as the

> > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self,

an

> ego,

> > > > a doer.

> > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within

the

> > > > shared

> > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

> fractal.

> > > > The

> > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange

attractors

> which

> > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order

or

> > > > fractal,

> > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self

proclaimed

> > > > selves or

> > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly

random

> > > > shaping or

> > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

> space

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

> chaos

> > > > that is

> > > > > Truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality

that

> is

> > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always

there.

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > Stu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope

that 'we'

> would

> > > > find it interesting?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > > no different from above " why " question...

> > >

> > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

> > >

> > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > > is quite boring

> > >

> > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > > question

> > >

> > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > >

> > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of

> > 'fresh' ideas.

> >

> >

> >

> > It need new food every day.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding.

>

>

> ........bob

>

I am not an eater...

...so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ?

....iietsa

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> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

running

> > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, as

> > chaos.

> > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > ---

> > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the chaos, no

> > > doer, no

> > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and going

as the

> > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, an

ego,

> > > a doer.

> > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within the

> > > shared

> > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

fractal.

> > > The

> > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange attractors

which

> > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order or

> > > fractal,

> > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self proclaimed

> > > selves or

> > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly random

> > > shaping or

> > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

space

> > is

> > > the

> > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

chaos

> > > that is

> > > > Truth.

> > > >

> > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things reveals

> > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality that

is

> > > > visible in all things.

> > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always there.

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > Stu

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope that 'we'

would

> > > find it interesting?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > no different from above " why " question...

> >

> > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

> >

> > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > is quite boring

> >

> > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > question

> >

> > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > toombaru's reply did not.

> >

> > only freshness counts, in my view

> > " correctness " counts not a whit

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

>

>

> The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of

> 'fresh' ideas.

>

>

>

> It need new food every day.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

<pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> <lastrain@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

> <stuartkfmn@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or

> > running

> > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance,

> as

> > > > chaos.

> > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the

chaos,

> no

> > > > > doer, no

> > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and

> going

> > as the

> > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self,

> an

> > ego,

> > > > > a doer.

> > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within

> the

> > > > > shared

> > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the

> > fractal.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange

> attractors

> > which

> > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order

> or

> > > > > fractal,

> > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self

> proclaimed

> > > > > selves or

> > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly

> random

> > > > > shaping or

> > > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and

> > space

> > > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the

> > chaos

> > > > > that is

> > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things

reveals

> > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality

> that

> > is

> > > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always

> there.

> > > > > > ---

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > > Stu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope

> that 'we'

> > would

> > > > > find it interesting?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > no different from above " why " question...

> > > >

> > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

> > > >

> > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > > > is quite boring

> > > >

> > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > > > question

> > > >

> > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > > >

> > > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of

> > > 'fresh' ideas.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It need new food every day.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding.

> >

> >

> > ........bob

> >

> I am not an eater...

> ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ?

> ...iietsa

>

'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there is

no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes like

pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians, who

can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to break

religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down on 'fresh

ideas'.

 

:-)

 

........bob

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