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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > <lastrain@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

> > <stuartkfmn@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance

(or

> > > running

> > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a

trance,

> > as

> > > > > chaos.

> > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos.

> > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the

> chaos,

> > no

> > > > > > doer, no

> > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego.

> > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and

> > going

> > > as the

> > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a

self,

> > an

> > > ego,

> > > > > > a doer.

> > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other

within

> > the

> > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of

the

> > > fractal.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange

> > attractors

> > > which

> > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden

order

> > or

> > > > > > fractal,

> > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self

> > proclaimed

> > > > > > selves or

> > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly

> > random

> > > > > > shaping or

> > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal,

and

> > > space

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is

the

> > > chaos

> > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things

> reveals

> > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single

commonality

> > that

> > > is

> > > > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always

> > there.

> > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > > > Stu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope

> > that 'we'

> > > would

> > > > > > find it interesting?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > no different from above " why " question...

> > > > >

> > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

> > > > >

> > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > > > > is quite boring

> > > > >

> > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > > > > question

> > > > >

> > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > > > >

> > > > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream

of

> > > > 'fresh' ideas.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It need new food every day.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding.

> > >

> > >

> > > ........bob

> > >

> > I am not an eater...

> > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ?

> > ...iietsa

> >

> 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there

is

> no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes

like

> pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians,

who

> can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to

break

> religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down

on 'fresh

> ideas'.

>

> :-)

>

> ........bob

>

fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-hermits...

....they are not a coomon thing...

....iietsa

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> > > I am not an eater...

> > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ?

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there

> is

> > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes

> like

> > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians,

> who

> > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to

> break

> > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down

> on 'fresh

> > ideas'.

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > ........bob

> >

> fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-hermits...

> ...they are not a coomon thing...

> ...iietsa

>

sneaking big macs has always been a common thing with ascetic veggie

fans.......but now that you mention those ascetic-hermits, you got me

thinking.....how come some of them are rather rolly-polly-jolly-

jibjabbers? could it be the Satan of the jelly roll?

 

...............bob

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> >SNIPPED FOR SNAPPERS<

>

>

> > > > I am not an eater...

> > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the

taste " good " ?

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if

there

> > is

> > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of

tastes

> > like

> > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and

vegitarians,

> > who

> > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to

> > break

> > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down

> > on 'fresh

> > > ideas'.

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > ........bob

> > >

> > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-

hermits...

> > ...they are not a coomon thing...

> > ...iietsa

> >

> sneaking big macs has always been a common thing with ascetic

veggie

> fans.......but now that you mention those ascetic-hermits, you got

me

> thinking.....how come some of them are rather rolly-polly-jolly-

> jibjabbers? could it be the Satan of the jelly roll?

>

> ...............bob

>

 

a whole troop of well feded ascetic-hermits it was...

 

:)

 

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > <lastrain@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

> > > > <stuartkfmn@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a

trance

> > (or

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a

> > trance,

> > > > as

> > > > > > > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis

Wier.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the

chaos.

> > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only

the

> > > chaos,

> > > > no

> > > > > > > > doer, no

> > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an

ego.

> > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming

and

> > > > going

> > > > > as the

> > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as

a

> > self,

> > > > an

> > > > > ego,

> > > > > > > > a doer.

> > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other

> > within

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns

of

> > the

> > > > > fractal.

> > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange

> > > > attractors

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden

> > order

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > fractal,

> > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self

> > > > proclaimed

> > > > > > > > selves or

> > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and

seemingly

> > > > random

> > > > > > > > shaping or

> > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the

fractal,

> > and

> > > > > space

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which

is

> > the

> > > > > chaos

> > > > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all

things

> > > reveals

> > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single

> > commonality

> > > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is

always

> > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > > > > > Stu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope

> > > > that 'we'

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > find it interesting?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > no different from above " why " question...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > > > > > > is quite boring

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > > > > > > question

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant

stream

> > of

> > > > > > 'fresh' ideas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It need new food every day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ........bob

> > > > >

> > > > I am not an eater...

> > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the

taste " good " ?

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if

there

> > is

> > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of

tastes

> > like

> > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and

vegitarians,

> > who

> > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to

> > break

> > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down

> > on 'fresh

> > > ideas'.

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > ........bob

> > >

> > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-

hermits...

> > ...they are not a coomon thing...

> > ...iietsa

> >

>

>

> interesting:

>

>

> toom eschews fresh

>

>

> and eats flesh

>

>

> bob " spews " fresh

>

> and eats flesh

>

>

> iietsa demands fresh

>

> maybe needs to refresh

>

> while eating no flesh

>

>

...

>

the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading the

restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a fresh

or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not change

anything...

....iietsa

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

> > > > > <stuartkfmn@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a

> trance

> > > (or

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a

> > > trance,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis

> Wier.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the

> chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only

> the

> > > > chaos,

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > doer, no

> > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an

> ego.

> > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming

> and

> > > > > going

> > > > > > as the

> > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as

> a

> > > self,

> > > > > an

> > > > > > ego,

> > > > > > > > > a doer.

> > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other

> > > within

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > fractal.

> > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange

> > > > > attractors

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God.

> > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden

> > > order

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > fractal,

> > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self

> > > > > proclaimed

> > > > > > > > > selves or

> > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and

> seemingly

> > > > > random

> > > > > > > > > shaping or

> > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the

> fractal,

> > > and

> > > > > > space

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which

> is

> > > the

> > > > > > chaos

> > > > > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all

> things

> > > > reveals

> > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego.

> > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single

> > > commonality

> > > > > that

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is

> always

> > > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > > > > > > Stu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope

> > > > > that 'we'

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > find it interesting?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > > > > > > > is quite boring

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant

> stream

> > > of

> > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It need new food every day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ........bob

> > > > > >

> > > > > I am not an eater...

> > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the

> taste " good " ?

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if

> there

> > > is

> > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of

> tastes

> > > like

> > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and

> vegitarians,

> > > who

> > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to

> > > break

> > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down

> > > on 'fresh

> > > > ideas'.

> > > >

> > > > :-)

> > > >

> > > > ........bob

> > > >

> > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-

> hermits...

> > > ...they are not a coomon thing...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> >

> >

> > interesting:

> >

> >

> > toom eschews fresh

> >

> >

> > and eats flesh

> >

> >

> > bob " spews " fresh

> >

> > and eats flesh

> >

> >

> > iietsa demands fresh

> >

> > maybe needs to refresh

> >

> > while eating no flesh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading the

> restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a fresh

> or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not change

> anything...

> ...iietsa

>

 

 

i know you're only posting for free english lessons:

 

menu, not meny

 

maybe, not maby

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

> > > > > > <stuartkfmn@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a

> > trance

> > > > (or

> > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of

a

> > > > trance,

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by

Dennis

> > Wier.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the

> > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is

only

> > the

> > > > > chaos,

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > doer, no

> > > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as

an

> > ego.

> > > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself

coming

> > and

> > > > > > going

> > > > > > > as the

> > > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists

as

> > a

> > > > self,

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > ego,

> > > > > > > > > > a doer.

> > > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each

other

> > > > within

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated

patterns

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > fractal.

> > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the

strange

> > > > > > attractors

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of

God.

> > > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of

hidden

> > > > order

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > fractal,

> > > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual

self

> > > > > > proclaimed

> > > > > > > > > > selves or

> > > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and

> > seemingly

> > > > > > random

> > > > > > > > > > shaping or

> > > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the

> > fractal,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > space

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing,

which

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > chaos

> > > > > > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all

> > things

> > > > > reveals

> > > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-

ego.

> > > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single

> > > > commonality

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that

is

> > always

> > > > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > Stu

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you

hope

> > > > > > that 'we'

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > find it interesting?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states

of " others " ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > > > > > > > > is quite boring

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a

constant

> > stream

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It need new food every day.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the

feeding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ........bob

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not an eater...

> > > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the

> > taste " good " ?

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even

if

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of

> > tastes

> > > > like

> > > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and

> > vegitarians,

> > > > who

> > > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no

need to

> > > > break

> > > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down

> > > > on 'fresh

> > > > > ideas'.

> > > > >

> > > > > :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > ........bob

> > > > >

> > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-

> > hermits...

> > > > ...they are not a coomon thing...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > interesting:

> > >

> > >

> > > toom eschews fresh

> > >

> > >

> > > and eats flesh

> > >

> > >

> > > bob " spews " fresh

> > >

> > > and eats flesh

> > >

> > >

> > > iietsa demands fresh

> > >

> > > maybe needs to refresh

> > >

> > > while eating no flesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading

the

> > restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a

fresh

> > or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not

change

> > anything...

> > ...iietsa

> >

>

>

> i know you're only posting for free english lessons:

>

> menu, not meny

>

> maybe, not maby

>

...

>

thanks for the menu..and the maby maybe...

....iietsa

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> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > > > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

> > > > > > > <stuartkfmn@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a

> > > trance

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of

> a

> > > > > trance,

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by

> Dennis

> > > Wier.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the

> > > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is

> only

> > > the

> > > > > > chaos,

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > doer, no

> > > > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as

> an

> > > ego.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself

> coming

> > > and

> > > > > > > going

> > > > > > > > as the

> > > > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists

> as

> > > a

> > > > > self,

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > ego,

> > > > > > > > > > > a doer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each

> other

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated

> patterns

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > fractal.

> > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the

> strange

> > > > > > > attractors

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of

> God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of

> hidden

> > > > > order

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > fractal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual

> self

> > > > > > > proclaimed

> > > > > > > > > > > selves or

> > > > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and

> > > seemingly

> > > > > > > random

> > > > > > > > > > > shaping or

> > > > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the

> > > fractal,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > space

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing,

> which

> > > is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chaos

> > > > > > > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all

> > > things

> > > > > > reveals

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-

> ego.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single

> > > > > commonality

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that

> is

> > > always

> > > > > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Stu

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you

> hope

> > > > > > > that 'we'

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > find it interesting?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states

> of " others " ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct

> > > > > > > > > > is quite boring

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above

> > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a

> constant

> > > stream

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It need new food every day.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the

> feeding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ........bob

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not an eater...

> > > > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the

> > > taste " good " ?

> > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even

> if

> > > there

> > > > > is

> > > > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of

> > > tastes

> > > > > like

> > > > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and

> > > vegitarians,

> > > > > who

> > > > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no

> need to

> > > > > break

> > > > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down

> > > > > on 'fresh

> > > > > > ideas'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ........bob

> > > > > >

> > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-

> > > hermits...

> > > > > ...they are not a coomon thing...

> > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > interesting:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toom eschews fresh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > and eats flesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > bob " spews " fresh

> > > >

> > > > and eats flesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > iietsa demands fresh

> > > >

> > > > maybe needs to refresh

> > > >

> > > > while eating no flesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading

> the

> > > restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a

> fresh

> > > or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not

> change

> > > anything...

> > > ...iietsa

> > >

> >

> >

> > i know you're only posting for free english lessons:

> >

> > menu, not meny

> >

> > maybe, not maby

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> thanks for the menu..and the maby maybe...

> ...iietsa

>

 

 

since it's all just menu,

 

maybe it might be made

 

just a little easier to read

 

 

 

 

....

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> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

<iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > > > > > > > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn "

> > > > > > > > <stuartkfmn@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about

what a

> > > > trance

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the

absence of

> > a

> > > > > > trance,

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by

> > Dennis

> > > > Wier.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides

the

> > > > chaos.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is

> > only

> > > > the

> > > > > > > chaos,

> > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > doer, no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance

as

> > an

> > > > ego.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself

> > coming

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > going

> > > > > > > > > as the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it

exists

> > as

> > > > a

> > > > > > self,

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > ego,

> > > > > > > > > > > > a doer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience

each

> > other

> > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > shared

> > > > > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated

> > patterns

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > fractal.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the

> > strange

> > > > > > > > attractors

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations

of

> > God.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind

of

> > hidden

> > > > > > order

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > fractal,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as

individual

> > self

> > > > > > > > proclaimed

> > > > > > > > > > > > selves or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and

> > > > seemingly

> > > > > > > > random

> > > > > > > > > > > > shaping or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of

the

> > > > fractal,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > space

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one

thing,

> > which

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > chaos

> > > > > > > > > > > > that is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in

all

> > > > things

> > > > > > > reveals

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is

Trance-

> > ego.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one

single

> > > > > > commonality

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > visible in all things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing

that

> > is

> > > > always

> > > > > > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do

you

> > hope

> > > > > > > > that 'we'

> > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > find it interesting?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states

> > of " others " ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-

correct

> > > > > > > > > > > is quite boring

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the

above

> > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting.

> > > > > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view

> > > > > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a

> > constant

> > > > stream

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the

> > feeding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ........bob

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not an eater...

> > > > > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the

> > > > taste " good " ?

> > > > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and

unjustified........even

> > if

> > > > there

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort

of

> > > > tastes

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and

> > > > vegitarians,

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no

> > need to

> > > > > > break

> > > > > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing

down

> > > > > > on 'fresh

> > > > > > > ideas'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ........bob

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-

> > > > hermits...

> > > > > > ...they are not a coomon thing...

> > > > > > ...iietsa

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > interesting:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toom eschews fresh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > and eats flesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > bob " spews " fresh

> > > > >

> > > > > and eats flesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > iietsa demands fresh

> > > > >

> > > > > maybe needs to refresh

> > > > >

> > > > > while eating no flesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been

reading

> > the

> > > > restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for

a

> > fresh

> > > > or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will

not

> > change

> > > > anything...

> > > > ...iietsa

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i know you're only posting for free english lessons:

> > >

> > > menu, not meny

> > >

> > > maybe, not maby

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > thanks for the menu..and the maby maybe...

> > ...iietsa

> >

>

>

> since it's all just menu,

>

> maybe it might be made

>

> just a little easier to read

>

>

like this:

....MENU...

1. take yourself for an separate entity trying to find your real

true Self...2000£

 

2. take yourself to be a footballplayer in any english premier

league team you like...3000£....

 

3. take yourself to be a happy hermit relaxing in the mountains...20£

 

all dishes is served with potatoes or fries

and comes with a special " satisfaction garanty " for just 4000£ more

 

....iietsa

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