Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > <pliantheart@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance (or > > > running > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a trance, > > as > > > > > chaos. > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the > chaos, > > no > > > > > > doer, no > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and > > going > > > as the > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a self, > > an > > > ego, > > > > > > a doer. > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other within > > the > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of the > > > fractal. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange > > attractors > > > which > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden order > > or > > > > > > fractal, > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self > > proclaimed > > > > > > selves or > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly > > random > > > > > > shaping or > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, and > > > space > > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is the > > > chaos > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things > reveals > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single commonality > > that > > > is > > > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always > > there. > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope > > that 'we' > > > would > > > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > > > > is quite boring > > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream of > > > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding. > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > I am not an eater... > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ? > > ...iietsa > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there is > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes like > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians, who > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to break > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down on 'fresh > ideas'. > > :-) > > ........bob > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-hermits... ....they are not a coomon thing... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 >SNIPPED FOR SNAPPERS< > > > I am not an eater... > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there > is > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes > like > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians, > who > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to > break > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down > on 'fresh > > ideas'. > > > > :-) > > > > ........bob > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic-hermits... > ...they are not a coomon thing... > ...iietsa > sneaking big macs has always been a common thing with ascetic veggie fans.......but now that you mention those ascetic-hermits, you got me thinking.....how come some of them are rather rolly-polly-jolly- jibjabbers? could it be the Satan of the jelly roll? ...............bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > >SNIPPED FOR SNAPPERS< > > > > > > I am not an eater... > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there > > is > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes > > like > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians, > > who > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to > > break > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down > > on 'fresh > > > ideas'. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic- hermits... > > ...they are not a coomon thing... > > ...iietsa > > > sneaking big macs has always been a common thing with ascetic veggie > fans.......but now that you mention those ascetic-hermits, you got me > thinking.....how come some of them are rather rolly-polly-jolly- > jibjabbers? could it be the Satan of the jelly roll? > > ...............bob > a whole troop of well feded ascetic-hermits it was... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a trance > > (or > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a > > trance, > > > > as > > > > > > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis Wier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the chaos. > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only the > > > chaos, > > > > no > > > > > > > > doer, no > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an ego. > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming and > > > > going > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as a > > self, > > > > an > > > > > ego, > > > > > > > > a doer. > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other > > within > > > > the > > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns of > > the > > > > > fractal. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange > > > > attractors > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden > > order > > > > or > > > > > > > > fractal, > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self > > > > proclaimed > > > > > > > > selves or > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and seemingly > > > > random > > > > > > > > shaping or > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the fractal, > > and > > > > > space > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which is > > the > > > > > chaos > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all things > > > reveals > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single > > commonality > > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is always > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope > > > > that 'we' > > > > > would > > > > > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > > > > > > is quite boring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant stream > > of > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > I am not an eater... > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the taste " good " ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if there > > is > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of tastes > > like > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and vegitarians, > > who > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to > > break > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down > > on 'fresh > > > ideas'. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic- hermits... > > ...they are not a coomon thing... > > ...iietsa > > > > > interesting: > > > toom eschews fresh > > > and eats flesh > > > bob " spews " fresh > > and eats flesh > > > iietsa demands fresh > > maybe needs to refresh > > while eating no flesh > > ... > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading the restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a fresh or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not change anything... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a > trance > > > (or > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a > > > trance, > > > > > as > > > > > > > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis > Wier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only > the > > > > chaos, > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > doer, no > > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an > ego. > > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming > and > > > > > going > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as > a > > > self, > > > > > an > > > > > > ego, > > > > > > > > > a doer. > > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other > > > within > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns > of > > > the > > > > > > fractal. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange > > > > > attractors > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden > > > order > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > fractal, > > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self > > > > > proclaimed > > > > > > > > > selves or > > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and > seemingly > > > > > random > > > > > > > > > shaping or > > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the > fractal, > > > and > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which > is > > > the > > > > > > chaos > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all > things > > > > reveals > > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance-ego. > > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single > > > commonality > > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is > always > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope > > > > > that 'we' > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > > > > > > > is quite boring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant > stream > > > of > > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an eater... > > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the > taste " good " ? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if > there > > > is > > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of > tastes > > > like > > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and > vegitarians, > > > who > > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to > > > break > > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down > > > on 'fresh > > > > ideas'. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic- > hermits... > > > ...they are not a coomon thing... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > interesting: > > > > > > toom eschews fresh > > > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > bob " spews " fresh > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > iietsa demands fresh > > > > maybe needs to refresh > > > > while eating no flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading the > restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a fresh > or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not change > anything... > ...iietsa > i know you're only posting for free english lessons: menu, not meny maybe, not maby .... 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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a > > trance > > > > (or > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of a > > > > trance, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by Dennis > > Wier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is only > > the > > > > > chaos, > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > doer, no > > > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as an > > ego. > > > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself coming > > and > > > > > > going > > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists as > > a > > > > self, > > > > > > an > > > > > > > ego, > > > > > > > > > > a doer. > > > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each other > > > > within > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated patterns > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > fractal. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the strange > > > > > > attractors > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of God. > > > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of hidden > > > > order > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > fractal, > > > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual self > > > > > > proclaimed > > > > > > > > > > selves or > > > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and > > seemingly > > > > > > random > > > > > > > > > > shaping or > > > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the > > fractal, > > > > and > > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, which > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > chaos > > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all > > things > > > > > reveals > > > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance- ego. > > > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single > > > > commonality > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that is > > always > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you hope > > > > > > that 'we' > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states of " others " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > > > > > > > > is quite boring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a constant > > stream > > > > of > > > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the feeding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an eater... > > > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the > > taste " good " ? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even if > > there > > > > is > > > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of > > tastes > > > > like > > > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and > > vegitarians, > > > > who > > > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no need to > > > > break > > > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down > > > > on 'fresh > > > > > ideas'. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic- > > hermits... > > > > ...they are not a coomon thing... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting: > > > > > > > > > toom eschews fresh > > > > > > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > > > > bob " spews " fresh > > > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > > > > iietsa demands fresh > > > > > > maybe needs to refresh > > > > > > while eating no flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading the > > restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a fresh > > or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not change > > anything... > > ...iietsa > > > > > i know you're only posting for free english lessons: > > menu, not meny > > maybe, not maby > ... > thanks for the menu..and the maby maybe... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a > > > trance > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of > a > > > > > trance, > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by > Dennis > > > Wier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the > > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is > only > > > the > > > > > > chaos, > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > doer, no > > > > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as > an > > > ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself > coming > > > and > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists > as > > > a > > > > > self, > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > ego, > > > > > > > > > > > a doer. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each > other > > > > > within > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated > patterns > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fractal. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the > strange > > > > > > > attractors > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of > hidden > > > > > order > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > fractal, > > > > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual > self > > > > > > > proclaimed > > > > > > > > > > > selves or > > > > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and > > > seemingly > > > > > > > random > > > > > > > > > > > shaping or > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the > > > fractal, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, > which > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chaos > > > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all > > > things > > > > > > reveals > > > > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance- > ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single > > > > > commonality > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that > is > > > always > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you > hope > > > > > > > that 'we' > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states > of " others " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual-correct > > > > > > > > > > is quite boring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a > constant > > > stream > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the > feeding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an eater... > > > > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the > > > taste " good " ? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even > if > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of > > > tastes > > > > > like > > > > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and > > > vegitarians, > > > > > who > > > > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no > need to > > > > > break > > > > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down > > > > > on 'fresh > > > > > > ideas'. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic- > > > hermits... > > > > > ...they are not a coomon thing... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting: > > > > > > > > > > > > toom eschews fresh > > > > > > > > > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > bob " spews " fresh > > > > > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa demands fresh > > > > > > > > maybe needs to refresh > > > > > > > > while eating no flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading > the > > > restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a > fresh > > > or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not > change > > > anything... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > i know you're only posting for free english lessons: > > > > menu, not meny > > > > maybe, not maby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > thanks for the menu..and the maby maybe... > ...iietsa > since it's all just menu, maybe it might be made just a little easier to read .... 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Guest guest Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been thinking a lot lately about what a > > > > trance > > > > > > (or > > > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer program) is, and about the absence of > > a > > > > > > trance, > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Things that are in a book I am reading by > > Dennis > > > > Wier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I wrote the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chaos is the non graspable non idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > All that I do, I do in a trance that hides the > > > > chaos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The chaos has no room for a doer; there is > > only > > > > the > > > > > > > chaos, > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > doer, no > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause, no effect; until one is in a trance as > > an > > > > ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ego is real but only to itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Truth as " the aware chaos " sees itself > > coming > > > > and > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles that produce trance, and thus it exists > > as > > > > a > > > > > > self, > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > ego, > > > > > > > > > > > > a doer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Trance-egos of Aware-chaos " experience each > > other > > > > > > within > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > > > > morphogenetic field of the trace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rhythm of the trance is the repeated > > patterns > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > fractal. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > rhythm of the trance is motivated by the > > strange > > > > > > > > attractors > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > might be called the direct manifestations of > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a result of this, all chaos is a kind of > > hidden > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > fractal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > that has nothing to do with us as individual > > self > > > > > > > > proclaimed > > > > > > > > > > > > selves or > > > > > > > > > > > > > egos. We are simply the flow and flux and > > > > seemingly > > > > > > > > random > > > > > > > > > > > > shaping or > > > > > > > > > > > > > focusing of no-thingness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time is the repetition of the pattern of the > > > > fractal, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bifurcation of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And God is chaos as the unknowable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trance-ego is afraid of only one thing, > > which > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chaos > > > > > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of finding self revealed in all > > > > things > > > > > > > reveals > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aware-chaos to its viewpoint, which is Trance- > > ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self in all things refers to the one single > > > > > > commonality > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > visible in all things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look for the commonality; the one thing that > > is > > > > always > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you found it interesting:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was nice Stu...............but why do you > > hope > > > > > > > > that 'we' > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > find it interesting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no different from above " why " question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both involve imaginations of the states > > of " others " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this whole business of speaking-nondual- correct > > > > > > > > > > > is quite boring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no point whatsoever in raising the above > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu said something fresh and interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru's reply did not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only freshness counts, in my view > > > > > > > > > > > " correctness " counts not a whit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The identified entity sustains its self on a > > constant > > > > stream > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > 'fresh' ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It need new food every day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is good......very good.....the post not the > > feeding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not an eater... > > > > > > > > ..so please tell me..how would you describe the > > > > taste " good " ? > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tasteless' would seem crude and unjustified........even > > if > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > no such thing as 'good' or 'bad'......I guess it sort of > > > > tastes > > > > > > like > > > > > > > pork.....which is neat for the Jews and Muslims and > > > > vegitarians, > > > > > > who > > > > > > > can all have their cake and eat it here as well.....no > > need to > > > > > > break > > > > > > > religious or 'health-thinking' sanctions when chowing down > > > > > > on 'fresh > > > > > > > ideas'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > fresh ideas..is like a whole troop of well feded ascetic- > > > > hermits... > > > > > > ...they are not a coomon thing... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toom eschews fresh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bob " spews " fresh > > > > > > > > > > and eats flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iietsa demands fresh > > > > > > > > > > maybe needs to refresh > > > > > > > > > > while eating no flesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > the real hungry ones...will still be hungry after been reading > > the > > > > restaurants meny for a thousand times...its not a demand for a > > fresh > > > > or refreshed meny...its just telling...reading menys will not > > change > > > > anything... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know you're only posting for free english lessons: > > > > > > menu, not meny > > > > > > maybe, not maby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > thanks for the menu..and the maby maybe... > > ...iietsa > > > > > since it's all just menu, > > maybe it might be made > > just a little easier to read > > like this: ....MENU... 1. take yourself for an separate entity trying to find your real true Self...2000£ 2. take yourself to be a footballplayer in any english premier league team you like...3000£.... 3. take yourself to be a happy hermit relaxing in the mountains...20£ all dishes is served with potatoes or fries and comes with a special " satisfaction garanty " for just 4000£ more ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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