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As I passed through weeks of hectic

activities involved in lot of things - I

noticed I had no sense of " suffering " .

 

 

I had no suffering, even though some of

the things that I had passed through

included anger, arguments and fights. I

had no suffering even though many

nights I slept much less than usual and

slept in conditions that were less than

ideal.

 

I had no time for mediation, prayer or

spiritual reading yet, I felt no need

for any of those.

 

Things passed around me, events,

incidents happened, they affected me,

they moved me, I responded, I acted, I

made decisions, plans succeeded, plans

failed - yet, I didn't feel suffering

nor did felt much " effort " in my

acting. As if I was just a part of the

world and it was only the world that

acted through me.

 

Later, I did experience suffering

again and I wondered what the

difference in the external

situations/conditions was and inner

condition, perspective, outlook or

thinking when it lead to suffering and

when didn't.

 

 

I also wondered what actually I do see

as " suffering " after it became clear to

me that I was not " suffering " even when

I was passing through anger, rage,

fights, and arguments and ...even

tiredness, fatigue or sadness [low

energy]!

 

Now after some examination and

reflection, I think what I call as

" suffering " is the same thing that is

commonly called stress! And, thus in my

view:

 

No stress = no suffering

 

and,

 

Suffering = stress

 

 

 

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Reference:

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_%28medicine%29

 

About the time of Selye's work, the

gradual realization dawned that such

concepts as anxiety, antagonism,

exhaustion, frustration, distress,

despair, overwork, pre-menstrual

tension, over-focusing, confusion,

mourning and fear could all come

together in a general broadening of the

meaning of the term stress.

 

....

 

Stress activates the sympathetic

nervous system and release of stress

hormones including

adrenaline/epinephrine and cortisol.

 

Sympathetic nervous output tends to

divert bloodflow to the large muscles -

the body 'thinks' it has to run away

from something or fight something: the

so-called 'fight or flight' response of

ancient evolutionary heritage - and

bloodflow is correspondingly less to

the bowel and other non-muscle organs.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety

 

Anxiety is a complex combination of

negative emotions that includes fear,

apprehension and worry, and is often

accompanied by physical sensations such

as palpitations, nausea, chest pain

and/or shortness of breath.

 

Anxiety is often described as having

cognitive, somatic, emotional, and

behavioral components (Seligman, Walker

& Rosenhan, 2001). The cognitive

component entails expectation of a

diffuse and uncertain danger.

Somatically the body prepares the

organism to deal with threat (known as

an emergency reaction); blood pressure

and heart rate are increased, sweating

is increased, bloodflow to the major

muscle groups is increased, and immune

and digestive system functions are

inhibited. Externally, somatic signs of

anxiety may include pale skin,

sweating, trembling, and pupillary

dilation. Emotionally, anxiety causes a

sense of dread or panic and physically

causes nausea, and chills.

Behaviorally, both voluntary and

involuntary behaviors may arise

directed at escaping or avoiding the

source of anxiety.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonism

 

Antagonism is defined as hostility

that results in active resistance,

opposition, or contentiousness.

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>

> As I passed through weeks of hectic

> activities involved in lot of things - I

> noticed I often had no sense of " suffering " .

>

>

> I had no suffering, even though some of

> the things that I had passed through

> included anger, arguments and fights. I

> had no suffering even though many

> nights I slept much less than usual and

> slept in conditions that were less than

> ideal.

>

 

 

I noticed that often " suffering "

occurred when I was

attempting to " review " " what happened "

and when it was actually happening.

When it was actually happening, I was

usually to 'absorbed' in it to

experience it as " suffering " !

 

I noticed that the " review " of " what

happened " and " what it means " was often

much more [psychologically] painful and

[psychologically] damaging than what

" really " happened!

 

I noticed that to experience

" suffering " ; I had to really see myself

as separate, distinct entity to which

things had happened, were happening or

were 'going to happen'. When I was in

middle of a " real " happening I was

often too involved to feel myself

separately from what was happening and

thus lacked the experience of

'suffering'.

 

I noticed that " suffering " was a very

distinct physical and mental activity

whose patterns were very different from

other things.

 

At the minimum it required me to feel

the 'separation', to feel the

'division'. At minimum it did require

me to see the 'other', see the 'fear'.

And, at minimum it did require me to

experience 'helplessness' at one end

feeling the " need " for the things to be

different at the other end...

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[...]

 

> I noticed that " suffering " was a very

> distinct physical and mental activity

> whose patterns were very different from

> other things.

>

> At the minimum it required me to feel

> the 'separation', to feel the

> 'division'. At minimum it did require

> me to see the 'other', see the 'fear'.

> And, at minimum it did require me to

> experience 'helplessness' at one end

> feeling the " need " for the things to be

> different at the other end...

>

 

It did require me to me 'helpless'...

 

It did require me to feel 'powerless'...

 

It did require me to feel like a 'victim'...

 

It did require me to see NO Exit, no way...

 

It required me to feel 'trapped'...

 

 

 

In common, worldly [non-spiritual, non-

philosophical, non-evolved, non-

learned] scenarios, it happened...

 

- As I visited a shop and saw things

that " couldn't " buy!

 

The feeling was very different when I

saw things that I could easily buy!

 

- As I heard my seemingly

'irreplaceable' superior passing the

blame of their [often unrecognized]

inefficiencies and lack of skills to

myself and other team members.

 

The feeling was very different when I

heard this kind of talk from my juniors

or my 'equal' colleagues where I 'knew'

I did have power to address them as I

desired.

 

- As my wife made great efforts to

remind me of the money that 'I don't

have', 'the profit that I didn't make',

'and the opportunity that I missed' and

things that I can't buy!

 

The feeling was very different when I

was thinking of things that I could

buy, things that I could do with money

that I do have!

 

- As I my wife blamed me for same

thing one thousandth times that I knew

were false and as I remembered how I

" can not " leave my wife and how I " have

to " possibly hear things like that

again and again.

 

The felling was very different when

one of my friend said things like this

and I knew " could " easily leave that

friend.

 

- As I saw woman and remembered what I

" can not " do because I am married!

 

The feeling was very different when I

thought of things that " could do "

because I was married, things that I

" do have " because I am married!

 

I noticed that stress often occurred

when I focused on the negatives, the

things that aren't there, things that

could have been there, thing that

should have been there, things that I

can not do, things that I can not have,

route that I can not take...

 

Whereas, whenever I focused on what I

" can " do, what " can " have... the

feeling was very different. I felt

empowered, I felt enthusiasm... yes, I

felt no stress, I felt at home, I felt

happy...

 

 

 

---

 

I also noticed that there were really

places, people and situations which

aroused more of the one [positives,

" can do " , " can have " ] or another

[ " lack " , " absence " , " failed " , " can not

do " , " can not have " ].

 

And, I also saw that both these

tendencies can easily become habitual,

addictive and self-enforcing!

 

I noticed that there can indeed be

people, friends, surroundings, company,

groups that can " empower " or the one

that can " drain " out...

 

 

Yes, I DO know that you can " work " on it!

 

 

Yet, I saw that [external] " input "

can indeed play a great role! I saw

that I am not really a really separate

island and I don't live in the world

totally isolated, uninfluenced and

totally 'independent' of my

surroundings...

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

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>

> [...]

>

> > I noticed that " suffering " was a very

> > distinct physical and mental activity

> > whose patterns were very different from

> > other things.

> >

> > At the minimum it required me to feel

> > the 'separation', to feel the

> > 'division'. At minimum it did require

> > me to see the 'other', see the 'fear'.

> > And, at minimum it did require me to

> > experience 'helplessness' at one end

> > feeling the " need " for the things to be

> > different at the other end...

> >

>

> It did require me to me 'helpless'...

>

> It did require me to feel 'powerless'...

>

> It did require me to feel like a 'victim'...

>

> It did require me to see NO Exit, no way...

>

> It required me to feel 'trapped'...

>

>

>

> In common, worldly [non-spiritual, non-

> philosophical, non-evolved, non-

> learned] scenarios, it happened...

>

> - As I visited a shop and saw things

> that " couldn't " buy!

>

> The feeling was very different when I

> saw things that I could easily buy!

>

> - As I heard my seemingly

> 'irreplaceable' superior passing the

> blame of their [often unrecognized]

> inefficiencies and lack of skills to

> myself and other team members.

>

> The feeling was very different when I

> heard this kind of talk from my juniors

> or my 'equal' colleagues where I 'knew'

> I did have power to address them as I

> desired.

>

> - As my wife made great efforts to

> remind me of the money that 'I don't

> have', 'the profit that I didn't make',

> 'and the opportunity that I missed' and

> things that I can't buy!

>

> The feeling was very different when I

> was thinking of things that I could

> buy, things that I could do with money

> that I do have!

>

> - As I my wife blamed me for same

> thing one thousandth times that I knew

> were false and as I remembered how I

> " can not " leave my wife and how I " have

> to " possibly hear things like that

> again and again.

>

> The felling was very different when

> one of my friend said things like this

> and I knew " could " easily leave that

> friend.

>

> - As I saw woman and remembered what I

> " can not " do because I am married!

>

> The feeling was very different when I

> thought of things that " could do "

> because I was married, things that I

> " do have " because I am married!

>

> I noticed that stress often occurred

> when I focused on the negatives, the

> things that aren't there, things that

> could have been there, thing that

> should have been there, things that I

> can not do, things that I can not have,

> route that I can not take...

>

> Whereas, whenever I focused on what I

> " can " do, what " can " have... the

> feeling was very different. I felt

> empowered, I felt enthusiasm... yes, I

> felt no stress, I felt at home, I felt

> happy...

>

>

>

> ---

>

> I also noticed that there were really

> places, people and situations which

> aroused more of the one [positives,

> " can do " , " can have " ] or another

> [ " lack " , " absence " , " failed " , " can not

> do " , " can not have " ].

>

> And, I also saw that both these

> tendencies can easily become habitual,

> addictive and self-enforcing!

>

> I noticed that there can indeed be

> people, friends, surroundings, company,

> groups that can " empower " or the one

> that can " drain " out...

>

>

> Yes, I DO know that you can " work " on it!

>

>

> Yet, I saw that [external] " input "

> can indeed play a great role! I saw

> that I am not really a really separate

> island and I don't live in the world

> totally isolated, uninfluenced and

> totally 'independent' of my

> surroundings...

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

absolutely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

can you swallow it all up

 

 

 

 

 

 

with your open heart?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

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>

> As I passed through weeks of hectic

> activities involved in lot of things - I

> noticed I had no sense of " suffering " .

>

 

Involved in hectic activities, I was

often full of thoughts!

 

Yet, none of these thoughts seemed as

a 'problem', none of these thoughts

created stress or suffering.

 

These thoughts were aligned with what

I was doing.

 

I was doing, what I was thinking and

in fact, these thoughts were empowering

me! They were energizing me; they were

filling me with energy, enthusiasm,

passion! They were guiding me and they

were giving me ideas for actions...

 

I was acting as I was thinking.

Thinking and acting were one... and,

there was Peace.

 

 

Even, when I in fact was externally

" fighting " ... it felt un-stressful! It

felt like peace!

 

And, then after a bout of thinking and

doing the thoughts, after doing what I

thought, the thoughts will stop on its

own. As if the mind was " resting " ...

and, what then was felt was what I had

previously called Peace, Love,

Enlightenment, Nirvana... except that

it was not the result of any

" spiritual " practice, a spiritual

sadhna or prayer. It was just the mind

running its course from high activities

to effortless relaxation and ease!

 

Other difference was that I had no

'preference' for this state of 'no

thought' over the period when I was

vigorously engaged in activities. I

noticed that I truly enjoyed these

bouts of high activities and

'continuous' thinking... even when,

these bouts contained many emotions and

not just " happiness " , " pleasure " of

" feeling of success " .

 

Among other things, I noticed that not

just feeling happy, laughing and

giggling...

 

I loved " crying " too...

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> >

> > As I passed through weeks of hectic

> > activities involved in lot of things - I

> > noticed I had no sense of " suffering " .

> >

>

> Involved in hectic activities, I was

> often full of thoughts!

>

> Yet, none of these thoughts seemed as

> a 'problem', none of these thoughts

> created stress or suffering.

>

> These thoughts were aligned with what

> I was doing.

>

 

 

Other thing that I noticed was that

felt " good " about the " purpose " of

these vigorous " none stressful "

activities. I felt that it was indeed

the " right " thing to do. It was what I

" should " do. I felt an Inner " yes " to

what I was doing...

 

Doing things with this alignment with

the 'inner purpose', 'inner yes',

'inner truth'... I felt empowered,

" charged " and even seemingly " great

efforts " felt like... " no effort " ; even

hectic turn of events... felt like Peace!

 

 

The experience was very different than

that of my involvement with things that

I found not aligned to my " inner truth "

[or I call also call them my " inner

belief " ].

 

I found that things that I called my

" professional " " work " often lacked this

" empowering " " purpose " !

 

My boss and colleagues here and

elsewhere tried to teach me that only

reason I am with the company is because

I want to earn money, only reason

company keeps me because they think I

can help them make more money and only

reason that company is in business is

for 'profits'!

 

I realized that this 'vision', this

'purpose' didn't really " empower " me!

It reduced my " work " to simply a means

of getting " money " and the " idea of

money " didn't seem very empowering to

me. It seemed more like'slavery' and

'bondage' and less like a peaceful,

liberating, " good " , " right " , " just " ,

" fair " ... " compassionate " , " kind " idea

to which I can find a total Inner yes to!

 

In fact, I found most ideas around

" money " quite less than empowering, in

fact, in many cases I found them

" draining me " out! I found them

disempowering... as the guys tried to

teach me how can I " take advantage of "

the tax loopholes [and laws] to have

more money, how can I time the market

and make more money from stocks, how

can I buy a home and then sell it for

big profits simply by getting it

painted and fenced by hiring a

" staging " agency to decorate it with

paintings, furniture that will be

removed once the sale is over.

In fact, most of them seemed like

" legal " " cheating " to me; an idea for

which I could not find an inner Total

" yes " !

 

IT amazed me that guys after guys on

TV, radio, newspapers and rest of the

media was trying to " teach " who to

quickly become millionaire, make huge

profits by doing X, Y or Z and how very

few talked about teaching how to create

a more " value " , more resources for the

society - an idea that I might have

found far more " empowering " . I found

that I can accept money as the side-

effect of creating value but, I did not

feel " empowered " by the idea of working

or doing something just for the sake of

money!

 

I found that idea downright

" disempowering " and I felt if I was to

earn money that way quite likely it was

at the expense of someone else. It was

an idea based on " exclusion " and based

one the firm principle of 'me versus

the other'. I saw that in these scheme,

in order for me to win someone has to

lose. This was an idea I could not find

a total " inner yes " to...

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