Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Time for now The perils of trying too hard to live in the present. Tijn Touber reflects on the dangers of living in the here and now. Just back from talking with Eckhart Tolle about the importance of living in the " here and now " , I run across a column in the magazine Spirituality & Health (April 2004) written by former Catholic monk and bestselling author Thomas Moore about the importance of life in the " there and then " . Moore suspects that concentrating on trying to live in the here and now only takes us further away from truly being in the here and now. If you really want to be present here and now, he advises, you should give up your egotistical desires – such as living in the here and now. Then you'll automatically be in the here and now. It's typical that the egos of people who are wrapped up in trying to be egoless in fact only gets bigger. This rings only too true. I recently caught myself rattling on yet again about one of my pet theories. The nice lady sitting across from me listened as I enthusiastically told her how important it is to be less involved with the ego and to completely live in that egoless state of pure awareness. " Gone is the time when we needed to spend long hours meditating and endlessly talking about what the ego actually is and how we can become free and enlightened, " I chattered on. " Gone is the time when we needed to tell others how things should be done. It's high time to simply be it. To live it. Now. Here. Time to make ourselves less important and be truly open to another, " and on and on… She nodded enthusiastically at first, but as I kept going her eyes started to glaze. After 15 minutes or so she politely interrupted me. She totally agreed with me, she said, but had to go because her kids were waiting to be picked up at school. Then she needed to go grocery shopping, cook dinner, iron clothes, and help her youngest son with his homework. She smiled at me sweetly and gave me an encouraging pat on the back. She truly agreed with me and said I had articulated my ideas very well. I was always welcome to come by and tell her more. When she had gone, I thanked God for ordinary people who don't have the time to become egoless. By Tijn Touber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Time for now > > The perils of trying too hard to live in the present. Tijn Touber > reflects on the dangers of living in the here and now. > > Just back from talking with Eckhart Tolle about the importance of > living in the " here and now " , I run across a column in the magazine > Spirituality & Health (April 2004) written by former Catholic monk > and bestselling author Thomas Moore about the importance of life in > the " there and then " . Moore suspects that concentrating on trying to > live in the here and now only takes us further away from truly being > in the here and now. If you really want to be present here and now, > he advises, you should give up your egotistical desires – such as > living in the here and now. Then you'll automatically be in the here > and now. > It's typical that the egos of people who are wrapped up in trying to > be egoless in fact only gets bigger. > This rings only too true. I recently caught myself rattling on yet > again about one of my pet theories. The nice lady sitting across from > me listened as I enthusiastically told her how important it is to be > less involved with the ego and to completely live in that egoless > state of pure awareness. " Gone is the time when we needed to spend > long hours meditating and endlessly talking about what the ego > actually is and how we can become free and enlightened, " I chattered > on. " Gone is the time when we needed to tell others how things should > be done. It's high time to simply be it. To live it. Now. Here. Time > to make ourselves less important and be truly open to another, " and > on and on… > She nodded enthusiastically at first, but as I kept going her eyes > started to glaze. After 15 minutes or so she politely interrupted me. > She totally agreed with me, she said, but had to go because her kids > were waiting to be picked up at school. Then she needed to go grocery > shopping, cook dinner, iron clothes, and help her youngest son with > his homework. She smiled at me sweetly and gave me an encouraging pat > on the back. She truly agreed with me and said I had articulated my > ideas very well. I was always welcome to come by and tell her more. > When she had gone, I thanked God for ordinary people who don't have > the time to become egoless. > > By Tijn Touber one don't need to tell the Whole(ness) of world....that one need to be/come.... just a normal person.... like everybody else.... breathing in and out.... sleeping.... dreaming... eating.... be loving... be happy.... enjoying ...simple being... and knowing... that all this is nothing but a fantastic dream... in which it make no sense trying to cause trouble... in the life of imaginary others... because there are no others....for real there is only one real Self... and this one real Self.... is beside this fantastic dream.... the eternal witness and source....of all at same time here... and also now Marc Ps: i'm not talking to " you " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Time for now > > > > The perils of trying too hard to live in the present. Tijn Touber > > reflects on the dangers of living in the here and now. > > > > Just back from talking with Eckhart Tolle about the importance of > > living in the " here and now " , I run across a column in the magazine > > Spirituality & Health (April 2004) written by former Catholic monk > > and bestselling author Thomas Moore about the importance of life in > > the " there and then " . Moore suspects that concentrating on trying > to > > live in the here and now only takes us further away from truly > being > > in the here and now. If you really want to be present here and now, > > he advises, you should give up your egotistical desires – such as > > living in the here and now. Then you'll automatically be in the > here > > and now. > > It's typical that the egos of people who are wrapped up in trying > to > > be egoless in fact only gets bigger. > > This rings only too true. I recently caught myself rattling on yet > > again about one of my pet theories. The nice lady sitting across > from > > me listened as I enthusiastically told her how important it is to > be > > less involved with the ego and to completely live in that egoless > > state of pure awareness. " Gone is the time when we needed to spend > > long hours meditating and endlessly talking about what the ego > > actually is and how we can become free and enlightened, " I > chattered > > on. " Gone is the time when we needed to tell others how things > should > > be done. It's high time to simply be it. To live it. Now. Here. > Time > > to make ourselves less important and be truly open to another, " and > > on and on… > > She nodded enthusiastically at first, but as I kept going her eyes > > started to glaze. After 15 minutes or so she politely interrupted > me. > > She totally agreed with me, she said, but had to go because her > kids > > were waiting to be picked up at school. Then she needed to go > grocery > > shopping, cook dinner, iron clothes, and help her youngest son with > > his homework. She smiled at me sweetly and gave me an encouraging > pat > > on the back. She truly agreed with me and said I had articulated my > > ideas very well. I was always welcome to come by and tell her more. > > When she had gone, I thanked God for ordinary people who don't have > > the time to become egoless. > > > > By Tijn Touber > > > one don't need to tell the Whole(ness) of world....that one need to > be/come.... > > just a normal person.... > > like everybody else.... > > breathing in and out.... > > sleeping.... > > dreaming... > > eating.... > > be loving... > > be happy.... > > enjoying ...simple being... > > and knowing... > > that all this is nothing but a fantastic dream... > > in which it make no sense trying to cause trouble... > > in the life of imaginary others... > > because there are no others....for real > > there is only one real Self... > > and this one real Self.... > > is beside this fantastic dream.... > > the eternal witness and source....of all > > at same time > > here... > > and also > > now > > Marc > > > Ps: i'm not talking to " you " > > > > > > In pure " presence " perhaps there is nothing to say to no one. Presence itself is understood, acknowledged and articulated. Like a cool breeze on a hot summer's day, it feels 'good'. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Time for now > > > > The perils of trying too hard to live in the present. Tijn Touber > > reflects on the dangers of living in the here and now. > > > > Just back from talking with Eckhart Tolle about the importance of > > living in the " here and now " , I run across a column in the magazine > > Spirituality & Health (April 2004) written by former Catholic monk > > and bestselling author Thomas Moore about the importance of life in > > the " there and then " . Moore suspects that concentrating on trying > to > > live in the here and now only takes us further away from truly > being > > in the here and now. If you really want to be present here and now, > > he advises, you should give up your egotistical desires – such as > > living in the here and now. Then you'll automatically be in the > here > > and now. > > It's typical that the egos of people who are wrapped up in trying > to > > be egoless in fact only gets bigger. > > This rings only too true. I recently caught myself rattling on yet > > again about one of my pet theories. The nice lady sitting across > from > > me listened as I enthusiastically told her how important it is to > be > > less involved with the ego and to completely live in that egoless > > state of pure awareness. " Gone is the time when we needed to spend > > long hours meditating and endlessly talking about what the ego > > actually is and how we can become free and enlightened, " I > chattered > > on. " Gone is the time when we needed to tell others how things > should > > be done. It's high time to simply be it. To live it. Now. Here. > Time > > to make ourselves less important and be truly open to another, " and > > on and on… > > She nodded enthusiastically at first, but as I kept going her eyes > > started to glaze. After 15 minutes or so she politely interrupted > me. > > She totally agreed with me, she said, but had to go because her > kids > > were waiting to be picked up at school. Then she needed to go > grocery > > shopping, cook dinner, iron clothes, and help her youngest son with > > his homework. She smiled at me sweetly and gave me an encouraging > pat > > on the back. She truly agreed with me and said I had articulated my > > ideas very well. I was always welcome to come by and tell her more. > > When she had gone, I thanked God for ordinary people who don't have > > the time to become egoless. > > > > By Tijn Touber > > > one don't need to tell the Whole(ness) of world....that one need to > be/come.... > > just a normal person.... > > like everybody else.... > > breathing in and out.... > > sleeping.... > > dreaming... > > eating.... > > be loving... > > be happy.... > > enjoying ...simple being... > > and knowing... > > that all this is nothing but a fantastic dream... > > in which it make no sense trying to cause trouble... > > in the life of imaginary others... > > because there are no others....for real > > there is only one real Self... > > and this one real Self.... > > is beside this fantastic dream.... > > the eternal witness and source....of all > > at same time > > here... > > and also > > now > > Marc > > > Ps: i'm not talking to " you " > > Sounds pretty " spiritual " . Are you still trying to give the impression of being a smart " spiritual " person ? I wonder when that will end. What do your parents say to that kind of behaviour ? When I was behaving " spiritual " my mother meant I was reading too much Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Time for now > > > > > > The perils of trying too hard to live in the present. Tijn > Touber > > > reflects on the dangers of living in the here and now. > > > > > > Just back from talking with Eckhart Tolle about the importance > of > > > living in the " here and now " , I run across a column in the > magazine > > > Spirituality & Health (April 2004) written by former Catholic > monk > > > and bestselling author Thomas Moore about the importance of life > in > > > the " there and then " . Moore suspects that concentrating on > trying > > to > > > live in the here and now only takes us further away from truly > > being > > > in the here and now. If you really want to be present here and > now, > > > he advises, you should give up your egotistical desires – such > as > > > living in the here and now. Then you'll automatically be in the > > here > > > and now. > > > It's typical that the egos of people who are wrapped up in > trying > > to > > > be egoless in fact only gets bigger. > > > This rings only too true. I recently caught myself rattling on > yet > > > again about one of my pet theories. The nice lady sitting across > > from > > > me listened as I enthusiastically told her how important it is > to > > be > > > less involved with the ego and to completely live in that > egoless > > > state of pure awareness. " Gone is the time when we needed to > spend > > > long hours meditating and endlessly talking about what the ego > > > actually is and how we can become free and enlightened, " I > > chattered > > > on. " Gone is the time when we needed to tell others how things > > should > > > be done. It's high time to simply be it. To live it. Now. Here. > > Time > > > to make ourselves less important and be truly open to another, " > and > > > on and on… > > > She nodded enthusiastically at first, but as I kept going her > eyes > > > started to glaze. After 15 minutes or so she politely > interrupted > > me. > > > She totally agreed with me, she said, but had to go because her > > kids > > > were waiting to be picked up at school. Then she needed to go > > grocery > > > shopping, cook dinner, iron clothes, and help her youngest son > with > > > his homework. She smiled at me sweetly and gave me an > encouraging > > pat > > > on the back. She truly agreed with me and said I had articulated > my > > > ideas very well. I was always welcome to come by and tell her > more. > > > When she had gone, I thanked God for ordinary people who don't > have > > > the time to become egoless. > > > > > > By Tijn Touber > > > > > > one don't need to tell the Whole(ness) of world....that one need > to > > be/come.... > > > > just a normal person.... > > > > like everybody else.... > > > > breathing in and out.... > > > > sleeping.... > > > > dreaming... > > > > eating.... > > > > be loving... > > > > be happy.... > > > > enjoying ...simple being... > > > > and knowing... > > > > that all this is nothing but a fantastic dream... > > > > in which it make no sense trying to cause trouble... > > > > in the life of imaginary others... > > > > because there are no others....for real > > > > there is only one real Self... > > > > and this one real Self.... > > > > is beside this fantastic dream.... > > > > the eternal witness and source....of all > > > > at same time > > > > here... > > > > and also > > > > now > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: i'm not talking to " you " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In pure " presence " perhaps there is nothing to say to no one. > > Presence itself is understood, acknowledged and articulated. > > Like a cool breeze on a hot summer's day, it feels 'good'. > > > > ;-) let's enjoy so the....pure " presense " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Time for now > > > > > > The perils of trying too hard to live in the present. Tijn Touber > > > reflects on the dangers of living in the here and now. > > > > > > Just back from talking with Eckhart Tolle about the importance of > > > living in the " here and now " , I run across a column in the > magazine > > > Spirituality & Health (April 2004) written by former Catholic > monk > > > and bestselling author Thomas Moore about the importance of life > in > > > the " there and then " . Moore suspects that concentrating on trying > > to > > > live in the here and now only takes us further away from truly > > being > > > in the here and now. If you really want to be present here and > now, > > > he advises, you should give up your egotistical desires – such as > > > living in the here and now. Then you'll automatically be in the > > here > > > and now. > > > It's typical that the egos of people who are wrapped up in > trying > > to > > > be egoless in fact only gets bigger. > > > This rings only too true. I recently caught myself rattling on > yet > > > again about one of my pet theories. The nice lady sitting across > > from > > > me listened as I enthusiastically told her how important it is to > > be > > > less involved with the ego and to completely live in that egoless > > > state of pure awareness. " Gone is the time when we needed to > spend > > > long hours meditating and endlessly talking about what the ego > > > actually is and how we can become free and enlightened, " I > > chattered > > > on. " Gone is the time when we needed to tell others how things > > should > > > be done. It's high time to simply be it. To live it. Now. Here. > > Time > > > to make ourselves less important and be truly open to another, " > and > > > on and on… > > > She nodded enthusiastically at first, but as I kept going her > eyes > > > started to glaze. After 15 minutes or so she politely interrupted > > me. > > > She totally agreed with me, she said, but had to go because her > > kids > > > were waiting to be picked up at school. Then she needed to go > > grocery > > > shopping, cook dinner, iron clothes, and help her youngest son > with > > > his homework. She smiled at me sweetly and gave me an encouraging > > pat > > > on the back. She truly agreed with me and said I had articulated > my > > > ideas very well. I was always welcome to come by and tell her > more. > > > When she had gone, I thanked God for ordinary people who don't > have > > > the time to become egoless. > > > > > > By Tijn Touber > > > > > > one don't need to tell the Whole(ness) of world....that one need to > > be/come.... > > > > just a normal person.... > > > > like everybody else.... > > > > breathing in and out.... > > > > sleeping.... > > > > dreaming... > > > > eating.... > > > > be loving... > > > > be happy.... > > > > enjoying ...simple being... > > > > and knowing... > > > > that all this is nothing but a fantastic dream... > > > > in which it make no sense trying to cause trouble... > > > > in the life of imaginary others... > > > > because there are no others....for real > > > > there is only one real Self... > > > > and this one real Self.... > > > > is beside this fantastic dream.... > > > > the eternal witness and source....of all > > > > at same time > > > > here... > > > > and also > > > > now > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: i'm not talking to " you " > > > > > > > Sounds pretty " spiritual " . > > Are you still trying to give the impression of being a > smart " spiritual " person ? I wonder when that will end. What do your > parents say to that kind of behaviour ? When I was > behaving " spiritual " my mother meant I was reading too much > > Werner Hi Guru Werner, yes.....i reflect exactly all this smart spiritual persons in here.......like this mirror-thing-concept......you know lol your mother was right.....i suppose.... to behave like a living book.....isn't very real.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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