Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 a single moment in which all one knows and understands is not abandoned is a moment wasted in self-indulgence. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > a single moment in which all one knows and understands > is not abandoned is a moment wasted in self-indulgence. > > > Bill > waste? self? indulgence? sounds like food for rage: judgment? is it? and how do you 'know' and understand this for less than a moment? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > a single moment in which all one knows and understands > > is not abandoned is a moment wasted in self-indulgence. > > > > > > Bill > > waste? > > self? > > indulgence? > > > sounds like food for rage: > > > judgment? > > > is it? > > > > > and how do you 'know' > > and understand this > > for less than a moment? > no one does attachment to what is known is the very existence of false self abandonment of what is known is abandonment/ extinction of false self absence-of-self inherently eschews knowledge Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > a single moment in which all one knows and understands > > > is not abandoned is a moment wasted in self-indulgence. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste? > > > > self? > > > > indulgence? > > > > > > sounds like food for rage: > > > > > > judgment? > > > > > > is it? > > > > > > > > > > and how do you 'know' > > > > and understand this > > > > for less than a moment? > > > > no one does > > attachment to what is known is the > very existence of false self > > abandonment of what is known is abandonment/ > extinction of false self > > absence-of-self inherently eschews knowledge > > > Bill > i don't doubt your sincerity. but where is your heart here? there is a nihilistic glee that merely thrills at deconstruction for its own sake it's a sublimated rage: have you noticed its continual resurgence? emptiness without warmth feels cold and angry to me may we inquire within for any conclusions (preferably tentative ~ from my point of view) .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 a single moment in which all one knows and understands is not abandoned is a moment wasted in self-indulgence. > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste? > > > > self? > > > > indulgence? > > > > > > sounds like food for rage: > > > > > > judgment? > > > > > > is it? > > > > > > > > > > and how do you 'know' > > > > and understand this > > > > for less than a moment? > > > > no one does > > attachment to what is known is the > very existence of false self > > abandonment of what is known is abandonment/ > extinction of false self > > absence-of-self inherently eschews knowledge > > > Bill > Hi Bill, The second sentence mentioning " attachment' is key I'm having a similar conversation at GR and IMO there is nothing wrong with knowing Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > > a single moment in which all one knows and understands > is not abandoned is a moment wasted in self-indulgence. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste? > > > > > > self? > > > > > > indulgence? > > > > > > > > > sounds like food for rage: > > > > > > > > > judgment? > > > > > > > > > is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and how do you 'know' > > > > > > and understand this > > > > > > for less than a moment? > > > > > > > no one does > > > > attachment to what is known is the > > very existence of false self > > > > abandonment of what is known is abandonment/ > > extinction of false self > > > > absence-of-self inherently eschews knowledge > > > > > > Bill > > > > > Hi Bill, > > The second sentence mentioning " attachment' is key > > I'm having a similar conversation at GR and IMO there is nothing wrong with knowing > > Era > Good point Era! And I agree. I used the term " abandon " to emphasize a total disregard for any accumulation of " knowledge " ... What I actually spoke of was abandoning all " one knows or understands " . If *one* understands/knows that is ownership and well in need of abandoning. What you are talking about is, it seems, more a " free floating " sort of knowing that is not " owned by someone " ... so yeah, attachment = ownership the key. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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