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The main inseparable characteristic of God is the special divine knowledge. When

you are associated with God in Samadhi, you must get that knowledge from Him.

When you associate with hot body, you must become hot. Sri Rama Krishna

Paramahamsa, associated with God in Samadhi. When he came out He was preaching

excellent special divine knowledge. Apart from the knowledge, He was also

showing love and bliss. He had divine visions also. Therefore Samadhi means the

association with God. The proof for such association is the special divine

knowledge (Prajnanam).

 

Awareness, love and bliss alone cannot be the inseparable identities of God.

Every living being shows awareness. Therefore every living being cannot be

concluded having Samadhi. A prostitute shows love. A drunkard shows bliss. Their

experiences are not proving Samadhi. Vision of an energetic form is as good as

seeing the radiating Sun. For such an easily available petty vision you need not

close your eyes and convert your mental energy forcibly to become an energetic

form. It becomes equal to digging a great hill and catching a small rat. First

you must define Samadhi as association with God. Then this analysis can be

applied.

 

Samadhi means only association. If you take Samadhi as association with

awareness or love or bliss only, then such experiences are consequent, which are

not divine. The prajnanam is always associated with awareness, love and bliss.

The awareness, love and bliss can also exist independently without Prajnanam.

Some take awareness as God and for them all the living beings having awareness

are God!! Some say that love is God and for them a loving girl or boy is also

God!! Some say bliss is God and for them a drunkard or a smoking person using

Hukka is also God!! You have to eliminate all these people. There is a heap of

stones. In that heap some artificial diamonds exist and there is also one real

diamond. The stones, artificial diamonds and original diamond look like the same

by glittering. You have to eliminate not only the stones but also the artificial

diamonds, which are very closer to the original diamond. These stones are all

the human beings. The artificial diamonds

are the false human incarnations, which exhibit love and bliss only and claim

to be God. Finally you will get a few artificial diamonds, which are very very

close to the original diamond. Such very very close artificial diamonds are the

preachers of spiritual knowledge. They also preach the spiritual knowledge and

appear as if having the Prajnanam. Their spiritual knowledge is not associated

with love and bliss and therefore, cannot transfer love and bliss to our hearts.

The other type of fraud incarnations transmits love and bliss to our hearts, but

cannot transmit Prajnanam. Thus finally you have to identify that single

original diamond, which transmits infinite love and infinite bliss through the

special infinite true knowledge.

 

Lord Krishna transmitted such love and bliss through preaching Gita. There

were several scholars like Vyasa, but even they were eliminated before Lord

Krishna. Even Dharma Raja was only a devotee and not the Lord even though he

showed the excellent character, which is the result of the quality, called

Sattvam. The Lord is beyond even Dharma. The Gopikas showed infinite love and

bliss. But they were not Lord because they could not preach Gita. Only Sri Rama

Krishna Paramahamsa had the real Samadhi, which was proved by His Prajnanam. He

never studied any scripture. Therefore, Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa is treated

as the human incarnation of Rama and Krishna. Even the Gopikas were not treated

so. After hearing the preaching of Sri Paramahamsa, people developed infinite

love and bliss. His words were Upanishads. Adi Sankara also had such Samadhi and

therefore He radiated the Prajnanam. He never studied Vedas and Sastras from any

teacher.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

Noel <noel_beau wrote:

--- pliantheart <pliantheart wrote:

 

> Q: What is the place of samadhi?

>

> Nisargadatta: Not making use of one's consciousness

> is samadhi. You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing,

> neither from your body nor from your mind.

>

Before you do, observe the results in others who

follow this 'method'.

 

Noel

 

 

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

>

> The main inseparable characteristic of God is the special divine

knowledge. When you are associated with God in Samadhi, you must get

that knowledge from Him. When you associate with hot body, you must

become hot. Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, associated with God in

Samadhi. When he came out He was preaching excellent special divine

knowledge. Apart from the knowledge, He was also showing love and

bliss. He had divine visions also. Therefore Samadhi means the

association with God. The proof for such association is the special

divine knowledge (Prajnanam).

>

> Awareness, love and bliss alone cannot be the inseparable

identities of God. Every living being shows awareness. Therefore every

living being cannot be concluded having Samadhi. A prostitute shows

love. A drunkard shows bliss. Their experiences are not proving

Samadhi. Vision of an energetic form is as good as seeing the

radiating Sun. For such an easily available petty vision you need not

close your eyes and convert your mental energy forcibly to become an

energetic form. It becomes equal to digging a great hill and catching

a small rat. First you must define Samadhi as association with God.

Then this analysis can be applied.

>

> Samadhi means only association. If you take Samadhi as association

with awareness or love or bliss only, then such experiences are

consequent, which are not divine. The prajnanam is always associated

with awareness, love and bliss. The awareness, love and bliss can also

exist independently without Prajnanam. Some take awareness as God and

for them all the living beings having awareness are God!! Some say

that love is God and for them a loving girl or boy is also God!! Some

say bliss is God and for them a drunkard or a smoking person using

Hukka is also God!! You have to eliminate all these people. There is a

heap of stones. In that heap some artificial diamonds exist and there

is also one real diamond. The stones, artificial diamonds and original

diamond look like the same by glittering. You have to eliminate not

only the stones but also the artificial diamonds, which are very

closer to the original diamond. These stones are all the human beings.

The artificial diamonds

> are the false human incarnations, which exhibit love and bliss only

and claim to be God. Finally you will get a few artificial diamonds,

which are very very close to the original diamond. Such very very

close artificial diamonds are the preachers of spiritual knowledge.

They also preach the spiritual knowledge and appear as if having the

Prajnanam. Their spiritual knowledge is not associated with love and

bliss and therefore, cannot transfer love and bliss to our hearts. The

other type of fraud incarnations transmits love and bliss to our

hearts, but cannot transmit Prajnanam. Thus finally you have to

identify that single original diamond, which transmits infinite love

and infinite bliss through the special infinite true knowledge.

>

> Lord Krishna transmitted such love and bliss through preaching

Gita. There were several scholars like Vyasa, but even they were

eliminated before Lord Krishna. Even Dharma Raja was only a devotee

and not the Lord even though he showed the excellent character, which

is the result of the quality, called Sattvam. The Lord is beyond even

Dharma. The Gopikas showed infinite love and bliss. But they were not

Lord because they could not preach Gita.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

good up to here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa had the real Samadhi, which was

proved by His Prajnanam. He never studied any scripture. Therefore,

Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa is treated as the human incarnation of

Rama and Krishna. Even the Gopikas were not treated so. After hearing

the preaching of Sri Paramahamsa, people developed infinite love and

bliss. His words were Upanishads. Adi Sankara also had such Samadhi

and therefore He radiated the Prajnanam. He never studied Vedas and

Sastras from any teacher.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> Noel <noel_beau wrote:

> --- pliantheart <pliantheart wrote:

>

> > Q: What is the place of samadhi?

> >

> > Nisargadatta: Not making use of one's consciousness

> > is samadhi. You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing,

> > neither from your body nor from your mind.

> >

> Before you do, observe the results in others who

> follow this 'method'.

>

> Noel

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

>

>

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prakki surya <dattapr2000 >

> The main inseparable characteristic of God is the special divine knowledge.

When you are associated with God in Samadhi, you must get that knowledge from

Him. When you associate with hot body, you must become hot. Sri Rama Krishna

Paramahamsa, associated with God in Samadhi. When he came out He was preaching

excellent special divine knowledge. Apart from the knowledge, He was also

showing love and bliss. He had divine visions also. Therefore Samadhi means the

association with God. The proof for such association is the special divine

knowledge (Prajnanam).

>

> Awareness, love and bliss alone cannot be the inseparable identities of God.

Every living being shows awareness. Therefore every living being cannot be

concluded having Samadhi. A prostitute shows love. A drunkard shows bliss. Their

experiences are not proving Samadhi. Vision of an energetic form is as good as

seeing the radiating Sun. For such an easily available petty vision you need not

close your eyes and convert your mental energy forcibly to become an energetic

form. It becomes equal to digging a great hill and catching a small rat. First

you must define Samadhi as association with God. Then this analysis can be

applied.

>

> Samadhi means only association. If you take Samadhi as association with

awareness or love or bliss only, then such experiences are consequent, which are

not divine. The prajnanam is always associated with awareness, love and bliss.

The awareness, love and bliss can also exist independently without Prajnanam.

Some take awareness as God and for them all the living beings having awareness

are God!! Some say that love is God and for them a loving girl or boy is also

God!! Some say bliss is God and for them a drunkard or a smoking person using

Hukka is also God!! You have to eliminate all these people. There is a heap of

stones. In that heap some artificial diamonds exist and there is also one real

diamond. The stones, artificial diamonds and original diamond look like the same

by glittering. You have to eliminate not only the stones but also the artificial

diamonds, which are very closer to the original diamond. These stones are all

the human beings. The artificial diamonds

> are the false human incarnations, which exhibit love and bliss only and claim

to be God. Finally you will get a few artificial diamonds, which are very very

close to the original diamond. Such very very close artificial diamonds are the

preachers of spiritual knowledge. They also preach the spiritual knowledge and

appear as if having the Prajnanam. Their spiritual knowledge is not associated

with love and bliss and therefore, cannot transfer love and bliss to our hearts.

The other type of fraud incarnations transmits love and bliss to our hearts, but

cannot transmit Prajnanam. Thus finally you have to identify that single

original diamond, which transmits infinite love and infinite bliss through the

special infinite true knowledge.

>

> Lord Krishna transmitted such love and bliss through preaching Gita. There

were several scholars like Vyasa, but even they were eliminated before Lord

Krishna. Even Dharma Raja was only a devotee and not the Lord even though he

showed the excellent character, which is the result of the quality, called

Sattvam. The Lord is beyond even Dharma. The Gopikas showed infinite love and

bliss. But they were not Lord because they could not preach Gita. Only Sri Rama

Krishna Paramahamsa had the real Samadhi, which was proved by His Prajnanam. He

never studied any scripture. Therefore, Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa is treated

as the human incarnation of Rama and Krishna. Even the Gopikas were not treated

so. After hearing the preaching of Sri Paramahamsa, people developed infinite

love and bliss. His words were Upanishads. Adi Sankara also had such Samadhi and

therefore He radiated the Prajnanam. He never studied Vedas and Sastras from any

teacher.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

> > Q: What is the place of samadhi?

> >

> > Nisargadatta: Not making use of one's consciousness

> > is samadhi.

 

 

 

-translation for Noel: being surrendered

 

 

> You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing,

> > neither from your body nor from your mind.

 

 

being satisfied in your Being [fiven from god if you like that notion]

 

 

 

> Before you do, observe the results in others who

> follow this 'method'.

>

> Noel

>

 

 

BTW surya's post is just confused ranting; pushing on us her guru as god

 

IMO

 

Era

 

> .

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Nobody is neither interested to know what was preached by Krishna or Jesus nor

ready to identify & learn from the preaching of a Satguru. It is a sheer

illusion to conclude that our path is true based on our 'the little knowledge'.

 

Everybody is devising their own path saying that there are many ways to reach

the Lord. This path generally will be: Enjoy the world in family bonds and at

the time of death, get the Moksha or liberation. Everybody aspires the highest

fruit through the easiest way. The easiest way is the path of knowledge, which

does not require any sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord

right now from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was already

preached by Krishna in Gita and Jesus in Bible.

 

If you see the life of any real devotee the truth will be known automatically.

If anybody observes the life history of any real devotee, like disciples of

Jesus, Hanuman, Gopikas, Prahlada, Sabari, Kannappa, Tyagaraja etc., this

knowledge should be in line with the way they lead their lives. This was brought

out by Datta Swamiji excellently by which nobody can deny any iota of this

divine knowledge.

 

The Veda, the Bible & the Gita are the authorities. Other Sanskrit verses

written by blind scholars are not authorities. Anybody who has learnt Sanskrit

can write a verse. Even Charvaka, the atheist, wrote Sanskrit verses.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote:

BTW surya's post is just confused ranting; pushing on us her guru as

god

IMO

Era

 

 

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

>

> Nobody is neither interested to know what was preached by Krishna or

Jesus nor ready to identify & learn from the preaching of a Satguru.

It is a sheer illusion to conclude that our path is true based on our

'the little knowledge'.

>

> Everybody is devising their own path saying that there are many

ways to reach the Lord. This path generally will be: Enjoy the world

in family bonds and at the time of death, get the Moksha or

liberation. Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest

way. The easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require

any sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right now

from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was already

preached by Krishna in Gita and Jesus in Bible.

>

> If you see the life of any real devotee the truth will be known

automatically. If anybody observes the life history of any real

devotee, like disciples of Jesus, Hanuman, Gopikas, Prahlada, Sabari,

Kannappa, Tyagaraja etc., this knowledge should be in line with the

way they lead their lives. This was brought out by Datta Swamiji

excellently by which nobody can deny any iota of this divine knowledge.

>

> The Veda, the Bible & the Gita are the authorities. Other Sanskrit

verses written by blind scholars are not authorities. Anybody who has

learnt Sanskrit can write a verse. Even Charvaka, the atheist, wrote

Sanskrit verses.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote:

> BTW surya's post is just confused ranting; pushing on us

her guru as god

> IMO

> Era

 

 

 

 

 

 

i like what osho says about

 

doing difficult things

 

making big sacrifices:

 

 

that it's merely

 

the exhibitionism

 

of the ego

 

 

trying to make

 

a name for itself

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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