Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 The main inseparable characteristic of God is the special divine knowledge. When you are associated with God in Samadhi, you must get that knowledge from Him. When you associate with hot body, you must become hot. Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, associated with God in Samadhi. When he came out He was preaching excellent special divine knowledge. Apart from the knowledge, He was also showing love and bliss. He had divine visions also. Therefore Samadhi means the association with God. The proof for such association is the special divine knowledge (Prajnanam). Awareness, love and bliss alone cannot be the inseparable identities of God. Every living being shows awareness. Therefore every living being cannot be concluded having Samadhi. A prostitute shows love. A drunkard shows bliss. Their experiences are not proving Samadhi. Vision of an energetic form is as good as seeing the radiating Sun. For such an easily available petty vision you need not close your eyes and convert your mental energy forcibly to become an energetic form. It becomes equal to digging a great hill and catching a small rat. First you must define Samadhi as association with God. Then this analysis can be applied. Samadhi means only association. If you take Samadhi as association with awareness or love or bliss only, then such experiences are consequent, which are not divine. The prajnanam is always associated with awareness, love and bliss. The awareness, love and bliss can also exist independently without Prajnanam. Some take awareness as God and for them all the living beings having awareness are God!! Some say that love is God and for them a loving girl or boy is also God!! Some say bliss is God and for them a drunkard or a smoking person using Hukka is also God!! You have to eliminate all these people. There is a heap of stones. In that heap some artificial diamonds exist and there is also one real diamond. The stones, artificial diamonds and original diamond look like the same by glittering. You have to eliminate not only the stones but also the artificial diamonds, which are very closer to the original diamond. These stones are all the human beings. The artificial diamonds are the false human incarnations, which exhibit love and bliss only and claim to be God. Finally you will get a few artificial diamonds, which are very very close to the original diamond. Such very very close artificial diamonds are the preachers of spiritual knowledge. They also preach the spiritual knowledge and appear as if having the Prajnanam. Their spiritual knowledge is not associated with love and bliss and therefore, cannot transfer love and bliss to our hearts. The other type of fraud incarnations transmits love and bliss to our hearts, but cannot transmit Prajnanam. Thus finally you have to identify that single original diamond, which transmits infinite love and infinite bliss through the special infinite true knowledge. Lord Krishna transmitted such love and bliss through preaching Gita. There were several scholars like Vyasa, but even they were eliminated before Lord Krishna. Even Dharma Raja was only a devotee and not the Lord even though he showed the excellent character, which is the result of the quality, called Sattvam. The Lord is beyond even Dharma. The Gopikas showed infinite love and bliss. But they were not Lord because they could not preach Gita. Only Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa had the real Samadhi, which was proved by His Prajnanam. He never studied any scripture. Therefore, Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa is treated as the human incarnation of Rama and Krishna. Even the Gopikas were not treated so. After hearing the preaching of Sri Paramahamsa, people developed infinite love and bliss. His words were Upanishads. Adi Sankara also had such Samadhi and therefore He radiated the Prajnanam. He never studied Vedas and Sastras from any teacher. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Noel <noel_beau wrote: --- pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > Q: What is the place of samadhi? > > Nisargadatta: Not making use of one's consciousness > is samadhi. You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing, > neither from your body nor from your mind. > Before you do, observe the results in others who follow this 'method'. Noel . Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > The main inseparable characteristic of God is the special divine knowledge. When you are associated with God in Samadhi, you must get that knowledge from Him. When you associate with hot body, you must become hot. Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, associated with God in Samadhi. When he came out He was preaching excellent special divine knowledge. Apart from the knowledge, He was also showing love and bliss. He had divine visions also. Therefore Samadhi means the association with God. The proof for such association is the special divine knowledge (Prajnanam). > > Awareness, love and bliss alone cannot be the inseparable identities of God. Every living being shows awareness. Therefore every living being cannot be concluded having Samadhi. A prostitute shows love. A drunkard shows bliss. Their experiences are not proving Samadhi. Vision of an energetic form is as good as seeing the radiating Sun. For such an easily available petty vision you need not close your eyes and convert your mental energy forcibly to become an energetic form. It becomes equal to digging a great hill and catching a small rat. First you must define Samadhi as association with God. Then this analysis can be applied. > > Samadhi means only association. If you take Samadhi as association with awareness or love or bliss only, then such experiences are consequent, which are not divine. The prajnanam is always associated with awareness, love and bliss. The awareness, love and bliss can also exist independently without Prajnanam. Some take awareness as God and for them all the living beings having awareness are God!! Some say that love is God and for them a loving girl or boy is also God!! Some say bliss is God and for them a drunkard or a smoking person using Hukka is also God!! You have to eliminate all these people. There is a heap of stones. In that heap some artificial diamonds exist and there is also one real diamond. The stones, artificial diamonds and original diamond look like the same by glittering. You have to eliminate not only the stones but also the artificial diamonds, which are very closer to the original diamond. These stones are all the human beings. The artificial diamonds > are the false human incarnations, which exhibit love and bliss only and claim to be God. Finally you will get a few artificial diamonds, which are very very close to the original diamond. Such very very close artificial diamonds are the preachers of spiritual knowledge. They also preach the spiritual knowledge and appear as if having the Prajnanam. Their spiritual knowledge is not associated with love and bliss and therefore, cannot transfer love and bliss to our hearts. The other type of fraud incarnations transmits love and bliss to our hearts, but cannot transmit Prajnanam. Thus finally you have to identify that single original diamond, which transmits infinite love and infinite bliss through the special infinite true knowledge. > > Lord Krishna transmitted such love and bliss through preaching Gita. There were several scholars like Vyasa, but even they were eliminated before Lord Krishna. Even Dharma Raja was only a devotee and not the Lord even though he showed the excellent character, which is the result of the quality, called Sattvam. The Lord is beyond even Dharma. The Gopikas showed infinite love and bliss. But they were not Lord because they could not preach Gita. good up to here Only Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa had the real Samadhi, which was proved by His Prajnanam. He never studied any scripture. Therefore, Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa is treated as the human incarnation of Rama and Krishna. Even the Gopikas were not treated so. After hearing the preaching of Sri Paramahamsa, people developed infinite love and bliss. His words were Upanishads. Adi Sankara also had such Samadhi and therefore He radiated the Prajnanam. He never studied Vedas and Sastras from any teacher. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Noel <noel_beau wrote: > --- pliantheart <pliantheart wrote: > > > Q: What is the place of samadhi? > > > > Nisargadatta: Not making use of one's consciousness > > is samadhi. You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing, > > neither from your body nor from your mind. > > > Before you do, observe the results in others who > follow this 'method'. > > Noel > > > . > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 prakki surya <dattapr2000 > > The main inseparable characteristic of God is the special divine knowledge. When you are associated with God in Samadhi, you must get that knowledge from Him. When you associate with hot body, you must become hot. Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa, associated with God in Samadhi. When he came out He was preaching excellent special divine knowledge. Apart from the knowledge, He was also showing love and bliss. He had divine visions also. Therefore Samadhi means the association with God. The proof for such association is the special divine knowledge (Prajnanam). > > Awareness, love and bliss alone cannot be the inseparable identities of God. Every living being shows awareness. Therefore every living being cannot be concluded having Samadhi. A prostitute shows love. A drunkard shows bliss. Their experiences are not proving Samadhi. Vision of an energetic form is as good as seeing the radiating Sun. For such an easily available petty vision you need not close your eyes and convert your mental energy forcibly to become an energetic form. It becomes equal to digging a great hill and catching a small rat. First you must define Samadhi as association with God. Then this analysis can be applied. > > Samadhi means only association. If you take Samadhi as association with awareness or love or bliss only, then such experiences are consequent, which are not divine. The prajnanam is always associated with awareness, love and bliss. The awareness, love and bliss can also exist independently without Prajnanam. Some take awareness as God and for them all the living beings having awareness are God!! Some say that love is God and for them a loving girl or boy is also God!! Some say bliss is God and for them a drunkard or a smoking person using Hukka is also God!! You have to eliminate all these people. There is a heap of stones. In that heap some artificial diamonds exist and there is also one real diamond. The stones, artificial diamonds and original diamond look like the same by glittering. You have to eliminate not only the stones but also the artificial diamonds, which are very closer to the original diamond. These stones are all the human beings. The artificial diamonds > are the false human incarnations, which exhibit love and bliss only and claim to be God. Finally you will get a few artificial diamonds, which are very very close to the original diamond. Such very very close artificial diamonds are the preachers of spiritual knowledge. They also preach the spiritual knowledge and appear as if having the Prajnanam. Their spiritual knowledge is not associated with love and bliss and therefore, cannot transfer love and bliss to our hearts. The other type of fraud incarnations transmits love and bliss to our hearts, but cannot transmit Prajnanam. Thus finally you have to identify that single original diamond, which transmits infinite love and infinite bliss through the special infinite true knowledge. > > Lord Krishna transmitted such love and bliss through preaching Gita. There were several scholars like Vyasa, but even they were eliminated before Lord Krishna. Even Dharma Raja was only a devotee and not the Lord even though he showed the excellent character, which is the result of the quality, called Sattvam. The Lord is beyond even Dharma. The Gopikas showed infinite love and bliss. But they were not Lord because they could not preach Gita. Only Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa had the real Samadhi, which was proved by His Prajnanam. He never studied any scripture. Therefore, Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa is treated as the human incarnation of Rama and Krishna. Even the Gopikas were not treated so. After hearing the preaching of Sri Paramahamsa, people developed infinite love and bliss. His words were Upanishads. Adi Sankara also had such Samadhi and therefore He radiated the Prajnanam. He never studied Vedas and Sastras from any teacher. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Q: What is the place of samadhi? > > > > Nisargadatta: Not making use of one's consciousness > > is samadhi. -translation for Noel: being surrendered > You just leave your mind alone. You want nothing, > > neither from your body nor from your mind. being satisfied in your Being [fiven from god if you like that notion] > Before you do, observe the results in others who > follow this 'method'. > > Noel > BTW surya's post is just confused ranting; pushing on us her guru as god IMO Era > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nobody is neither interested to know what was preached by Krishna or Jesus nor ready to identify & learn from the preaching of a Satguru. It is a sheer illusion to conclude that our path is true based on our 'the little knowledge'. Everybody is devising their own path saying that there are many ways to reach the Lord. This path generally will be: Enjoy the world in family bonds and at the time of death, get the Moksha or liberation. Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way. The easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require any sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right now from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was already preached by Krishna in Gita and Jesus in Bible. If you see the life of any real devotee the truth will be known automatically. If anybody observes the life history of any real devotee, like disciples of Jesus, Hanuman, Gopikas, Prahlada, Sabari, Kannappa, Tyagaraja etc., this knowledge should be in line with the way they lead their lives. This was brought out by Datta Swamiji excellently by which nobody can deny any iota of this divine knowledge. The Veda, the Bible & the Gita are the authorities. Other Sanskrit verses written by blind scholars are not authorities. Anybody who has learnt Sanskrit can write a verse. Even Charvaka, the atheist, wrote Sanskrit verses. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote: BTW surya's post is just confused ranting; pushing on us her guru as god IMO Era . Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Nobody is neither interested to know what was preached by Krishna or Jesus nor ready to identify & learn from the preaching of a Satguru. It is a sheer illusion to conclude that our path is true based on our 'the little knowledge'. > > Everybody is devising their own path saying that there are many ways to reach the Lord. This path generally will be: Enjoy the world in family bonds and at the time of death, get the Moksha or liberation. Everybody aspires the highest fruit through the easiest way. The easiest way is the path of knowledge, which does not require any sacrifice. The highest fruit is to become the very Lord right now from this moment onwards. The path that pleases the Lord was already preached by Krishna in Gita and Jesus in Bible. > > If you see the life of any real devotee the truth will be known automatically. If anybody observes the life history of any real devotee, like disciples of Jesus, Hanuman, Gopikas, Prahlada, Sabari, Kannappa, Tyagaraja etc., this knowledge should be in line with the way they lead their lives. This was brought out by Datta Swamiji excellently by which nobody can deny any iota of this divine knowledge. > > The Veda, the Bible & the Gita are the authorities. Other Sanskrit verses written by blind scholars are not authorities. Anybody who has learnt Sanskrit can write a verse. Even Charvaka, the atheist, wrote Sanskrit verses. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote: > BTW surya's post is just confused ranting; pushing on us her guru as god > IMO > Era i like what osho says about doing difficult things making big sacrifices: that it's merely the exhibitionism of the ego trying to make a name for itself .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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