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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > > wrote:

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the difference between the carrot and the stick

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > is the difference between love and abuse

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Desire is like a carrot. Fear is like a stick. Problem

arises

> > > > when we

> > > > > > > try to eat the carrot all the time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > al.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > that would be fear

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But is desire fear? I think of it more like fear as being always

> > there

> > > > > as a stick hitting us when we try to eat the carrot all the

> > time. That

> > > > > maybe also means that fear is not a forward pull as I said

> > before, but

> > > > > instead a break for stopping desire to run amuck.

> > > > >

> > > > > al.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > how about

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > the

> > > >

> > > > stepping outside

> > > >

> > > > of fear, desire

> > > >

> > > > etc

> > > >

> > > > etc

> > > >

> > > > ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > isn't that what

> > > >

> > > > already redifines

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > everything?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > looking at it

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > just

> > > >

> > > > looking

> > > >

> > > > at

> > > >

> > > > it

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > from spaciousness

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > isn't that already

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > it

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > isn't that already

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > love

> > > >

> > > > ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > >

> > > The problem is that we can have all sorts of understandings in our

> > > conscious mind, but if the subconscious is not aligned with the

> > > conscious mind there will still be conflict.

> > >

> > > There is always a looking from the " I " , but the conscious mind

is only

> > > like the tip of an iceberg, with the subconscious mind as the

massive

> > > below the surface.

> > >

> > > You can be a professor in Advaita yet still have a subconscious mind

> > > that is creating some nasty conflicts in your life. So it's not

enough

> > > to only have an intellectual understanding however complete and

> > > profound that understanding is.

> > >

> > > Go into the body. How does it feel within? Can you feel anything at

> > > all, or have years of emotional repression numbed out many areas

> > > within the body? Are there contractions; physical, emotional or

> mental?

> > >

> > > My guess is that for there to be love, there must be harmony in

one's

> > > being. Intellectual " love " will only be an abstract and shallow

thing.

> > > And emotional " love " is merely a temporary conditional high.

> > >

> > > al.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > yes on your every point.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > the word aligns

> >

> > mind and body

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > nis offered matra

> >

> > which enters deep

> >

> >

> > and immediate

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> > try

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > spacious

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> >

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> >

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> >

> > ?

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > works for me

> >

> >

> >

> > ~

> >

> >

> > for how long?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > as long as i

> >

> > use it

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > effortless

> >

> >

> >

> > sensitive

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> >

> > subtle

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p.s.:

>

with dialog about matra

>

> i've learned to expect

>

> a lot of ethnocentricity

>

> vis a vis sanskrit

>

> sacred sound

>

> & co

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>

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> a lot of logophobia

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> too

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> e.g.,

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>

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> silence

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> only

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>

>

> but:

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>

>

>

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> in the begining was the word

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> and the word was with god

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> ~ nis and genesis, too

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p.p.s:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

all words

 

are already

 

 

 

 

 

mantras

 

 

 

 

 

 

(no matter how you look at it ~

 

that's why poetry's so

 

powerful. not to

 

mention)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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