Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the difference between the carrot and the stick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the difference between love and abuse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Desire is like a carrot. Fear is like a stick. Problem > arises > > > > > when we > > > > > > > > try to eat the carrot all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would be fear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But is desire fear? I think of it more like fear as being always > > > there > > > > > > as a stick hitting us when we try to eat the carrot all the > > > time. That > > > > > > maybe also means that fear is not a forward pull as I said > > > before, but > > > > > > instead a break for stopping desire to run amuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > stepping outside > > > > > > > > > > of fear, desire > > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't that what > > > > > > > > > > already redifines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from spaciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't that already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't that already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that we can have all sorts of understandings in our > > > > conscious mind, but if the subconscious is not aligned with the > > > > conscious mind there will still be conflict. > > > > > > > > There is always a looking from the " I " , but the conscious mind > is only > > > > like the tip of an iceberg, with the subconscious mind as the > massive > > > > below the surface. > > > > > > > > You can be a professor in Advaita yet still have a subconscious mind > > > > that is creating some nasty conflicts in your life. So it's not > enough > > > > to only have an intellectual understanding however complete and > > > > profound that understanding is. > > > > > > > > Go into the body. How does it feel within? Can you feel anything at > > > > all, or have years of emotional repression numbed out many areas > > > > within the body? Are there contractions; physical, emotional or > > mental? > > > > > > > > My guess is that for there to be love, there must be harmony in > one's > > > > being. Intellectual " love " will only be an abstract and shallow > thing. > > > > And emotional " love " is merely a temporary conditional high. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes on your every point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the word aligns > > > > > > mind and body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nis offered matra > > > > > > which enters deep > > > > > > > > > and immediate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spacious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works for me > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ > > > > > > > > > for how long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as long as i > > > > > > use it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effortless > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive > > > > > > > > > > > > subtle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eternal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s.: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with dialog about matra > > > > i've learned to expect > > > > a lot of ethnocentricity > > > > vis a vis sanskrit > > > > sacred sound > > > > & co > > > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > too > > > > > > e.g., > > > > > > > > > > > > silence > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > but: > > > > > > > > > > > > in the begining was the word > > > > and the word was with god > > > > > > ~ nis and genesis, too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > p.p.s: > > all words > > are already > > > > > > mantras (no matter how you look at it ~ > > that's why poetry's so > > powerful. not to > > mention) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > p.p.p.s: the unconscious is nothing but mantras (poems, songs, epithets, injunctions, " you name it " ) .... 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