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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

<skywords@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the difference between the carrot and the stick

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is the difference between love and abuse

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Desire is like a carrot. Fear is like a stick. Problem

> arises

> > > > > when we

> > > > > > > > try to eat the carrot all the time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > al.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that would be fear

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But is desire fear? I think of it more like fear as being

always

> > > there

> > > > > > as a stick hitting us when we try to eat the carrot all the

> > > time. That

> > > > > > maybe also means that fear is not a forward pull as I said

> > > before, but

> > > > > > instead a break for stopping desire to run amuck.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > al.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > how about

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > stepping outside

> > > > >

> > > > > of fear, desire

> > > > >

> > > > > etc

> > > > >

> > > > > etc

> > > > >

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > isn't that what

> > > > >

> > > > > already redifines

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > everything?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > looking at it

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > just

> > > > >

> > > > > looking

> > > > >

> > > > > at

> > > > >

> > > > > it

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > from spaciousness

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > isn't that already

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > it

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > isn't that already

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > love

> > > > >

> > > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > The problem is that we can have all sorts of understandings in our

> > > > conscious mind, but if the subconscious is not aligned with the

> > > > conscious mind there will still be conflict.

> > > >

> > > > There is always a looking from the " I " , but the conscious mind

> is only

> > > > like the tip of an iceberg, with the subconscious mind as the

> massive

> > > > below the surface.

> > > >

> > > > You can be a professor in Advaita yet still have a

subconscious mind

> > > > that is creating some nasty conflicts in your life. So it's not

> enough

> > > > to only have an intellectual understanding however complete and

> > > > profound that understanding is.

> > > >

> > > > Go into the body. How does it feel within? Can you feel

anything at

> > > > all, or have years of emotional repression numbed out many areas

> > > > within the body? Are there contractions; physical, emotional or

> > mental?

> > > >

> > > > My guess is that for there to be love, there must be harmony in

> one's

> > > > being. Intellectual " love " will only be an abstract and shallow

> thing.

> > > > And emotional " love " is merely a temporary conditional high.

> > > >

> > > > al.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > yes on your every point.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > the word aligns

> > >

> > > mind and body

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > nis offered matra

> > >

> > > which enters deep

> > >

> > >

> > > and immediate

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > try

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > spacious

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > works for me

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ~

> > >

> > >

> > > for how long?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > as long as i

> > >

> > > use it

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > effortless

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sensitive

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > subtle

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > eternal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > p.s.:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > with dialog about matra

> >

> > i've learned to expect

> >

> > a lot of ethnocentricity

> >

> > vis a vis sanskrit

> >

> > sacred sound

> >

> > & co

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > a lot of logophobia

> >

> > too

> >

> >

> > e.g.,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > silence

> >

> > only

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > but:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > in the begining was the word

> >

> > and the word was with god

> >

> >

> > ~ nis and genesis, too

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

>

> p.p.s:

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>

all words

>

> are already

>

>

>

>

>

> mantras

(no matter how you look at it ~

>

> that's why poetry's so

>

> powerful. not to

>

> mention)

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p.p.p.s:

 

 

 

 

the unconscious

 

 

 

 

is nothing but

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mantras

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(poems, songs, epithets, injunctions,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" you name it " )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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