Death of consciousness

[Guest guest]

I have a question. If whom we are without our thoughts and stories is

alive

stillness, consciousness,something that comes from beyond the mind then

when we die we lose consciousness, so I guess whom we are can no

longer be

felt, and I am not talking about the ego but of the alive presence I

feel now

when I go beyond the mind.

Would appreciate any comments. Perhaps I am seeing incorrectly!

Thanks,

Vera

 

 

L: Hi Vera, you are seeing it quite correctly, ....

 

So you are a realised being and you realised that your being is beyond

your body, and now wonder what happens to your being when you are no

longer your body ?

 

you are right, if you are no longer your body, you can no longer sense

and feel and understand yourself, but you will still be here as a

being.

 

And if you believe that who you are can not only be sensed by your own

body, but also by other bodies, simply explain these other bodies who

you are and how you can be sensed and your being can be felt even after

you die.

 

Lulu

 

P: Liberation is not about sensing anything, but about

freedom from the need to sense, from the need for

consciousness itself.

 

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[Guest guest]

There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call Liberation and

Enlightenment.

 

 

Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's mistakenly

confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being of Death.

 

That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will liberate me

for all time to come.

 

But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my achievement has

nothing to do with being liberated and being enlightened!

 

 

Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence

in never ending dimensions.

 

But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace, freedom,

liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning.

 

Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for nobody.

 

I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to exist.

 

I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and happiness.

 

But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if my dead ego

experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom, that means no more than

peace and happiness doesn't exist, liberation and freedom is a delusion because

my dead ego doesn't exist, I've killed it, don't I remember, the experience I

experience doesn't count, because it is experienced by my dead no one.

 

What does exist is this world. Every living creature has an identity in it,

except for myself who I destroyed mine, but do I think, do I really believe that

destroying my identity will eventually liberate and free the world ?

 

Of course not, but I think that freeing and liberating my own personal ego and

self will solve the problem for all time to come. I am being ignorant and

selfish beyond measure, my focus is on liberating and freeing myself, but I

forget, my experience doesn't count because I killed the only one who could

value my experience. What I say is meaningless for everybody alive. But here

where I am is Bliss.

 

So if this is what I want for myself, great, but remain aware that if I only

destroy one ego, it will liberate only one tree in the forest, one drop in the

ocean and if I think that I am the entire forest and ocean, great, go ahead,

kill my identity, liberate myself, be the deluded one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

 

>P: Liberation is not about sensing anything, but about

>freedom from the need to sense, from the need for

>consciousness itself.

 

Wow, Pete...

 

radically well said.

 

Stefan