Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the difference between the carrot and the stick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the difference between love and abuse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Desire is like a carrot. Fear is like a stick. Problem arises > > > when we > > > > > > try to eat the carrot all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would be fear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But is desire fear? I think of it more like fear as being always > there > > > > as a stick hitting us when we try to eat the carrot all the > time. That > > > > maybe also means that fear is not a forward pull as I said > before, but > > > > instead a break for stopping desire to run amuck. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > stepping outside > > > > > > of fear, desire > > > > > > etc > > > > > > etc > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't that what > > > > > > already redifines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything? > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at it > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > looking > > > > > > at > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from spaciousness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't that already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't that already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > The problem is that we can have all sorts of understandings in our > > conscious mind, but if the subconscious is not aligned with the > > conscious mind there will still be conflict. > > > > There is always a looking from the " I " , but the conscious mind is only > > like the tip of an iceberg, with the subconscious mind as the massive > > below the surface. > > > > You can be a professor in Advaita yet still have a subconscious mind > > that is creating some nasty conflicts in your life. So it's not enough > > to only have an intellectual understanding however complete and > > profound that understanding is. > > > > Go into the body. How does it feel within? Can you feel anything at > > all, or have years of emotional repression numbed out many areas > > within the body? Are there contractions; physical, emotional or mental? > > > > My guess is that for there to be love, there must be harmony in one's > > being. Intellectual " love " will only be an abstract and shallow thing. > > And emotional " love " is merely a temporary conditional high. > > > > al. > > > > > > > yes on your every point. > > > > > the word aligns > > mind and body > > > > > nis offered matra > > which enters deep > > > and immediate > try > > > > > > spacious > > > > ? > > > works for me > > > > ~ > > > for how long? > as long as i > > use it > > > > effortless > > > > sensitive > > > > subtle > > > > > > > > > > eternal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > p.s.: with dialog about matra i've learned to expect a lot of ethnocentricity vis a vis sanskrit sacred sound & co a lot of logophobia too e.g., silence only but: in the begining was the word and the word was with god ~ nis and genesis, too .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > > a lot of logophobia > > too > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of words. How about thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word for fear of thoughts? al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > too > > > > > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of words. How about > thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word for fear of > thoughts? > > al. > mentisphobia? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of words. How about > > thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word for fear of > > thoughts? > > > > al. > > > > > > > mentisphobia? > > I didn't find that word on the web. However I found the word phronemophobia which means fear of thinking. How the heck does that work? Isn't psychological fear in the thinking process itself? Is phronemophobia some kind of meta-fear? LOL. al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of words. How about > > > thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word for fear of > > > thoughts? > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentisphobia? > > > > > > I didn't find that word on the web. However I found the word > phronemophobia which means fear of thinking. How the heck does that > work? Isn't psychological fear in the thinking process itself? Is > phronemophobia some kind of meta-fear? LOL. > > al. > " don't think: drink, " is a typical mantra, among alcholics. i repeat my mantra: the key to the palace of the subconscious is found in mantras e.g., " don't think, " is the mantra of the phronemophobic may i suggest that you demystify the subconscious thus? your mantra appears to be, " this is a difficult and slow practice " ? why not try, " this is an easy and magical devise " ? (by the way, the metafear of any phobia, appears to be, fear of fear. core mantra: " fear is terrifying " ) .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of words. How > about > > > > thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word for fear of > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentisphobia? > > > > > > > > > > I didn't find that word on the web. However I found the word > > phronemophobia which means fear of thinking. How the heck does that > > work? Isn't psychological fear in the thinking process itself? Is > > phronemophobia some kind of meta-fear? LOL. > > > > al. > > > > > > " don't think: > > drink, " > > is a typical > > mantra, among > > alcholics. > > > > > i repeat my mantra: > > > > the key to the palace > > of the subconscious > > is found in mantras > > > > e.g., " don't think, " > > is the mantra of the > > phronemophobic > > > > may i suggest that > > you demystify the subconscious > > thus? > > > your mantra appears to be, > > " this is a difficult > > and slow practice " ? > > > > why not try, > > " this is an easy > > and magical devise " ? > > > > (by the way, the metafear > > of any phobia, appears to be, > > fear of fear. > > > core mantra: " fear is terrifying " ) > > a mantra can be for use only by a somebody or asomething... I dont have the ability to use mantras ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of words. > How > > about > > > > > thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word for > fear of > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentisphobia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't find that word on the web. However I found the word > > > phronemophobia which means fear of thinking. How the heck does > that > > > work? Isn't psychological fear in the thinking process > itself? Is > > > phronemophobia some kind of meta-fear? LOL. > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > " don't think: > > > > drink, " > > > > is a typical > > > > mantra, among > > > > alcholics. > > > > > > > > > > i repeat my mantra: > > > > > > > > the key to the palace > > > > of the subconscious > > > > is found in mantras > > > > > > > > e.g., " don't think, " > > > > is the mantra of the > > > > phronemophobic > > > > > > > > may i suggest that > > > > you demystify the subconscious > > > > thus? > > > > > > your mantra appears to be, > > > > " this is a difficult > > > > and slow practice " ? > > > > > > > > why not try, > > > > " this is an easy > > > > and magical devise " ? > > > > > > > > (by the way, the metafear > > > > of any phobia, appears to be, > > > > fear of fear. > > > > > > core mantra: " fear is terrifying " ) > > > > > a mantra can be for use only by a somebody or asomething... > I dont have the ability to use mantras > ...iietsa > that IS your mantra snake is another you have many but not too many .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of words. > > How > > > about > > > > > > thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word for > > fear of > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentisphobia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't find that word on the web. However I found the word > > > > phronemophobia which means fear of thinking. How the heck does > > that > > > > work? Isn't psychological fear in the thinking process > > itself? Is > > > > phronemophobia some kind of meta-fear? LOL. > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " don't think: > > > > > > drink, " > > > > > > is a typical > > > > > > mantra, among > > > > > > alcholics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i repeat my mantra: > > > > > > > > > > > > the key to the palace > > > > > > of the subconscious > > > > > > is found in mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > e.g., " don't think, " > > > > > > is the mantra of the > > > > > > phronemophobic > > > > > > > > > > > > may i suggest that > > > > > > you demystify the subconscious > > > > > > thus? > > > > > > > > > your mantra appears to be, > > > > > > " this is a difficult > > > > > > and slow practice " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > why not try, > > > > > > " this is an easy > > > > > > and magical devise " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > (by the way, the metafear > > > > > > of any phobia, appears to be, > > > > > > fear of fear. > > > > > > > > > core mantra: " fear is terrifying " ) > > > > > > > > a mantra can be for use only by a somebody or asomething... > > I dont have the ability to use mantras > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > that IS your mantra > > snake is another > > you have many > > but not too many > I am nothing....(not as a mantra)...pure nothingness...wherein all mantras comes and goes like the clouds in the sky... the sky dont need the clouds...it even has no relation to them... the clouds are in the sky alright...and there is nothing to it.. ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a lot of logophobia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL. Logophobia. I looked it up and it means fear of > words. > > > How > > > > about > > > > > > > thoughts. Thoughts are often concepts. Is there a word > for > > > fear of > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentisphobia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't find that word on the web. However I found the word > > > > > phronemophobia which means fear of thinking. How the heck > does > > > that > > > > > work? Isn't psychological fear in the thinking process > > > itself? Is > > > > > phronemophobia some kind of meta-fear? LOL. > > > > > > > > > > al. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " don't think: > > > > > > > > drink, " > > > > > > > > is a typical > > > > > > > > mantra, among > > > > > > > > alcholics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i repeat my mantra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the key to the palace > > > > > > > > of the subconscious > > > > > > > > is found in mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e.g., " don't think, " > > > > > > > > is the mantra of the > > > > > > > > phronemophobic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may i suggest that > > > > > > > > you demystify the subconscious > > > > > > > > thus? > > > > > > > > > > > > your mantra appears to be, > > > > > > > > " this is a difficult > > > > > > > > and slow practice " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not try, > > > > > > > > " this is an easy > > > > > > > > and magical devise " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (by the way, the metafear > > > > > > > > of any phobia, appears to be, > > > > > > > > fear of fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > core mantra: " fear is terrifying " ) > > > > > > > > > > > a mantra can be for use only by a somebody or asomething... > > > I dont have the ability to use mantras > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > that IS your mantra > > > > snake is another > > > > you have many > > > > but not too many > > > I am nothing....(not as a mantra)...pure nothingness...wherein all > mantras comes and goes like the clouds in the sky... > the sky dont need the clouds...it even has no relation to them... > the clouds are in the sky alright...and there is nothing to it.. > ...iietsa > everything you're saying is true but i'm not talking about truth or your real Self i'm talking about iitsa and iitsa keeps repeating the same truth over and over and over i like it i do but it's still mantra .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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