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This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars

Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not

The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation

If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death

Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind you

The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family

members

It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be

salvated

 

The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for

you

You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is

unreal

You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created

By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these bonds did not

exist

Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing

During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal

Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds

 

Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds

This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct

If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love

The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you

In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with

them

Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the

Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound

To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala

Chakra

 

Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra

The same is said “Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah”

The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three

Are called as “Eeshanaas”, which are the stainless steel chains, which never

Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of

Karma

The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to

earn

Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the

spontaneous

Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that

You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of

loans

Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma

These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and you do not

Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of karma only

If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not repay the loan

Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember previous

birth

 

These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love and

friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the form of work and also

money

The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing the

children

Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa

The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to the children

And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

 

There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call Liberation and

Enlightenment.

 

 

Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's mistakenly

confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being of Death.

 

That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will liberate me

for all time to come.

 

But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my achievement has

nothing to do with being liberated and being enlightened!

 

 

Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence

in never ending dimensions.

 

But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace, freedom,

liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning.

 

Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for nobody.

 

I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to exist.

 

I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and happiness.

 

But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if my dead ego

experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom, that means no more than

peace and happiness doesn't exist, liberation and freedom is a delusion because

my dead ego doesn't exist, I've killed it, don't I remember, the experience I

experience doesn't count, because it is experienced by my dead no one.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun,

Moon, Stars

> Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this

is not

> The world from which you have to attain the liberation or

salvation

> If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the

death

> Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind

you

> The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your

family members

> It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which

you must be salvated

>

> The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only

and not for you

> You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this

world is unreal

> You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family,

which is created

> By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these

bonds did not exist

> Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence

are not existing

> During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always

unreal

> Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly

bonds

>

> Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these

family bonds

> This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is

absolutely correct

> If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred

and not love

> The reason is that these family members were very vehement

enemies to you

> In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and

fought with them

> Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with

the

> Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and

you are bound

> To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e.,

associated with Kala Chakra

>

> Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is

Kala Chakra

> The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah "

> The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and

these three

> Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains,

which never

> Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only

the force of Karma

> The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that

you have to earn

> Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is

the spontaneous

> Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the

money so that

> You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the

collection of loans

> Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the

force of Karma

> These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you

and you do not

> Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of

karma only

> If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not

repay the loan

> Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember

previous birth

>

> These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of

love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the

form of work and also money

> The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and

clothing the children

> Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma

Sanyasa

> The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property

to the children

> And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala

Tyaga.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call

Liberation and Enlightenment.

>

>

> Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's

mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being

of Death.

>

> That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will

liberate me for all time to come.

>

> But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my

achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being

enlightened!

>

>

> Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation

and silence in never ending dimensions.

>

> But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace,

freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning.

>

> Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for

nobody.

>

> I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to

exist.

>

> I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and

happiness.

>

> But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if

my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom,

that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist,

liberation and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't

exist, I've killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience

doesn't count, because it is experienced by my dead no one.

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

>

> This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun,

Moon, Stars

> Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this

is not

> The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation

> If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death

> Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind you

> The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your

family members

> It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which

you must be salvated

>

> The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only

and not for you

> You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this

world is unreal

> You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which

is created

> By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these

bonds did not exist

> Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are

not existing

> During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal

> Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly

bonds

>

> Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these

family bonds

> This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is

absolutely correct

> If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred

and not love

> The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies

to you

> In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and

fought with them

> Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the

> Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and

you are bound

> To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e.,

associated with Kala Chakra

>

> Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala

Chakra

> The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah "

> The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and

these three

> Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains,

which never

> Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the

force of Karma

> The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that

you have to earn

> Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is

the spontaneous

> Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the

money so that

> You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the

collection of loans

> Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the

force of Karma

> These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and

you do not

> Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of

karma only

> If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not

repay the loan

> Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember

previous birth

>

> These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love

and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the form of

work and also money

> The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing

the children

> Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa

> The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to

the children

> And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call

Liberation and Enlightenment.

>

>

> Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's

mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being

of Death.

>

> That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will

liberate me for all time to come.

>

> But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my

achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being enlightened!

>

>

> Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation

and silence in never ending dimensions.

>

> But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace,

freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning.

>

> Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for nobody.

>

> I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to exist.

>

> I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and happiness.

>

> But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if

my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom,

that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist, liberation

and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've

killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't

count, because it is experienced by my dead no one.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the be either with or without

 

love or hate

 

life or death

 

illusion or reality

 

family or no family

 

guru or no guru

 

debt or no debt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

all are bondage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Swamiji is preaching the true divine knowledge as per the scriptures, quoting

the incidents from the real devotees life simultaneously. These two form the

basis for knowing the validity of knowledge being preached. He is showing us the

true path.

 

The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by achieving the top

most laurels by pleasing the Lord are ....

 

Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and always said

‘I am servant to Lord Rama’. He even performed many miracles also and still he

has given credit of them to Rama only. (Dasoham kosalendrasya.....) For such

worship, Lord has given future creator post to Hanuman.

 

St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge

and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge.

 

Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, the then human incarnation

only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami Vivekananda

participated in the mission of propagation of divine knowledge on the order of

the then human incarnation Rama Krishna Paramahamsa.

 

Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and latter on

participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Meerabai also propagated

Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and propagated them.

 

In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form during their

time and participated in His mission as servants. So, first one should identify

the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped

their Satguru. At His order, they participated in the propagation of divine

knowledge as Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which

consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically

participating in His mission).

 

They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated advaita

(Non-dualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not Lord. I am only

Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could not drink it. So, only

Sankara is Lord in human form and not disciples. If disciples themselves are not

Lord, normal human beings cannot even think of in their dreams also.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

anabebe57 <kailashana wrote:

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun,

Moon, Stars

> Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this

is not

> The world from which you have to attain the liberation or

salvation

> If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the

death

> Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind

you

> The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your

family members

> It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which

you must be salvated

>

> The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only

and not for you

> You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this

world is unreal

> You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family,

which is created

> By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these

bonds did not exist

> Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence

are not existing

> During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always

unreal

> Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly

bonds

>

> Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these

family bonds

> This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is

absolutely correct

> If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred

and not love

> The reason is that these family members were very vehement

enemies to you

> In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and

fought with them

> Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with

the

> Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and

you are bound

> To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e.,

associated with Kala Chakra

>

> Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is

Kala Chakra

> The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah "

> The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and

these three

> Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains,

which never

> Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only

the force of Karma

> The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that

you have to earn

> Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is

the spontaneous

> Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the

money so that

> You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the

collection of loans

> Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the

force of Karma

> These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you

and you do not

> Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of

karma only

> If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not

repay the loan

> Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember

previous birth

>

> These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of

love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the

form of work and also money

> The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and

clothing the children

> Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma

Sanyasa

> The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property

to the children

> And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala

Tyaga.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

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in my head.

 

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

>

> Swamiji is preaching the true divine knowledge as per the

scriptures, quoting the incidents from the real devotees life

simultaneously. These two form the basis for knowing the validity of

knowledge being preached. He is showing us the true path.

>

> The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by

achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord are ....

>

> Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and

always said `I am servant to Lord Rama'. He even performed many

miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only.

(Dasoham kosalendrasya.....) For such worship, Lord has given future

creator post to Hanuman.

>

> St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His

divine knowledge and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge.

>

> Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, the then human

incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami

Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of divine

knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama Krishna

Paramahamsa.

>

> Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and

latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge.

Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and

propagated them.

>

> In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form

during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So,

first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge

from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His order, they

participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as Service to

Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which consists of Karma

phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically

participating in His mission).

>

> They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated

advaita (Non-dualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not

Lord. I am only Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could not

drink it. So, only Sankara is Lord in human form and not disciples. If

disciples themselves are not Lord, normal human beings cannot even

think of in their dreams also.

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> anabebe57 <kailashana wrote:

> Nisargadatta , prakki surya

<dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun,

> Moon, Stars

> > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this

> is not

> > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or

> salvation

> > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the

> death

> > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind

> you

> > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your

> family members

> > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which

> you must be salvated

> >

> > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only

> and not for you

> > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this

> world is unreal

> > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family,

> which is created

> > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these

> bonds did not exist

> > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence

> are not existing

> > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always

> unreal

> > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly

> bonds

> >

> > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these

> family bonds

> > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is

> absolutely correct

> > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred

> and not love

> > The reason is that these family members were very vehement

> enemies to you

> > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and

> fought with them

> > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with

> the

> > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and

> you are bound

> > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e.,

> associated with Kala Chakra

> >

> > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is

> Kala Chakra

> > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah "

> > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and

> these three

> > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains,

> which never

> > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only

> the force of Karma

> > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that

> you have to earn

> > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is

> the spontaneous

> > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the

> money so that

> > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the

> collection of loans

> > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the

> force of Karma

> > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you

> and you do not

> > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of

> karma only

> > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not

> repay the loan

> > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember

> previous birth

> >

> > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of

> love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the

> form of work and also money

> > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and

> clothing the children

> > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma

> Sanyasa

> > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property

> to the children

> > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala

> Tyaga.

> >

> > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> > surya

> > http://www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> >

> No one has returned from the dead to speak except as the thoughts

> in my head.

>

> Anna

 

 

 

 

 

yes, we must make sacrifices

 

($ to the criminal!)

 

in order

 

to get the " top most laurels "

 

 

 

and you don't see this as

 

pure ego?

 

 

 

and what an

 

exhibitionistic spectacle:

 

to perform a miracle!

 

 

 

and you believe in the hokus pokus

 

of drinking molten lead?

 

you don't know how

 

that trick is perfomed?

 

 

better get familiar with

 

the deceits and corruption

 

of men

 

 

before you

 

 

 

to conceits and mystification

 

of the " divine "

 

 

(by the way,

 

do you still believe

 

in Santa Clause?)

 

 

(guess what:

 

the emperor

 

has no clothes)

 

 

seriously,

 

prakki! ~

 

you say some very good

 

things but polyanna

 

is your middle name

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords

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>

> Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@>

wrote:

> >

> > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like

Sun,

> Moon, Stars

> > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and

this

> is not

> > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or

salvation

> > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the

death

> > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds

bind you

> > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with

your

> family members

> > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which

> you must be salvated

> >

> > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator

only

> and not for you

> > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that

this

> world is unreal

> > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family,

which

> is created

> > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these

> bonds did not exist

> > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence

are

> not existing

> > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always

unreal

> > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these

worldly

> bonds

> >

> > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these

> family bonds

> > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is

> absolutely correct

> > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred

> and not love

> > The reason is that these family members were very vehement

enemies

> to you

> > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and

> fought with them

> > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with

the

> > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children

and

> you are bound

> > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e.,

> associated with Kala Chakra

> >

> > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is

Kala

> Chakra

> > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah "

> > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and

> these three

> > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel

chains,

> which never

> > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only

the

> force of Karma

> > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for

that

> you have to earn

> > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that

is

> the spontaneous

> > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the

> money so that

> > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the

> collection of loans

> > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the

> force of Karma

> > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you

and

> you do not

> > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force

of

> karma only

> > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not

> repay the loan

> > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not

remember

> previous birth

> >

> > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of

love

> and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the

form of

> work and also money

> > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and

clothing

> the children

> > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma

Sanyasa

> > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property

to

> the children

> > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala

Tyaga.

> >

> > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> > surya

> > http://www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> >

> > Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> >

> > There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call

> Liberation and Enlightenment.

> >

> >

> > Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's

> mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the

Being

> of Death.

> >

> > That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will

> liberate me for all time to come.

> >

> > But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my

> achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being

enlightened!

> >

> >

> > Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom,

liberation

> and silence in never ending dimensions.

> >

> > But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace,

> freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning.

> >

> > Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for

nobody.

> >

> > I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to

exist.

> >

> > I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and

happiness.

> >

> > But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And

if

> my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and

freedom,

> that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist,

liberation

> and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've

> killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't

> count, because it is experienced by my dead no one.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

the be either with or without

>

> love or hate

>

> life or death

>

> illusion or reality

>

> family or no family

>

> guru or no guru

>

> debt or no debt

>

>

>

once again the song:

 

All that you touch

All that you see

All that you taste

All that you feel

All that you love

All that you hate

All you distrust

All that you save

All that you give

All that you deal

All that you buy beg, borrow or steal

All you create All you destroy

All that you do

All that you say

All that you eat everyone you meet

All that you slight everyone you fight

All that is now

All that is gone

All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the

sun is eclipsed by the moon. .

 

 

" There is no dark side of the moon really, as a matter of fact...it

is all dark "

 

 

Pink Floyd " Dark Side of the Moon "

 

>

>

>

>

>

> all are bondage

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

...

>

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like

> Sun,

> > Moon, Stars

> > > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and

> this

> > is not

> > > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or

> salvation

> > > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the

> death

> > > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds

> bind you

> > > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with

> your

> > family members

> > > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which

> > you must be salvated

> > >

> > > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator

> only

> > and not for you

> > > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that

> this

> > world is unreal

> > > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family,

> which

> > is created

> > > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these

> > bonds did not exist

> > > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence

> are

> > not existing

> > > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always

> unreal

> > > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these

> worldly

> > bonds

> > >

> > > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these

> > family bonds

> > > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is

> > absolutely correct

> > > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred

> > and not love

> > > The reason is that these family members were very vehement

> enemies

> > to you

> > > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and

> > fought with them

> > > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with

> the

> > > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children

> and

> > you are bound

> > > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e.,

> > associated with Kala Chakra

> > >

> > > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is

> Kala

> > Chakra

> > > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah "

> > > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and

> > these three

> > > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel

> chains,

> > which never

> > > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only

> the

> > force of Karma

> > > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for

> that

> > you have to earn

> > > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that

> is

> > the spontaneous

> > > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the

> > money so that

> > > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the

> > collection of loans

> > > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the

> > force of Karma

> > > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you

> and

> > you do not

> > > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force

> of

> > karma only

> > > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not

> > repay the loan

> > > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not

> remember

> > previous birth

> > >

> > > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of

> love

> > and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the

> form of

> > work and also money

> > > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and

> clothing

> > the children

> > > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma

> Sanyasa

> > > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property

> to

> > the children

> > > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala

> Tyaga.

> > >

> > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> > > surya

> > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org

> > >

> > >

> > > Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call

> > Liberation and Enlightenment.

> > >

> > >

> > > Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's

> > mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the

> Being

> > of Death.

> > >

> > > That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will

> > liberate me for all time to come.

> > >

> > > But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my

> > achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being

> enlightened!

> > >

> > >

> > > Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom,

> liberation

> > and silence in never ending dimensions.

> > >

> > > But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace,

> > freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning.

> > >

> > > Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for

> nobody.

> > >

> > > I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to

> exist.

> > >

> > > I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and

> happiness.

> > >

> > > But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And

> if

> > my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and

> freedom,

> > that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist,

> liberation

> > and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've

> > killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't

> > count, because it is experienced by my dead no one.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > the be either with or without

> >

> > love or hate

> >

> > life or death

> >

> > illusion or reality

> >

> > family or no family

> >

> > guru or no guru

> >

> > debt or no debt

> >

> >

> >

> once again the song:

>

> All that you touch

> All that you see

> All that you taste

> All that you feel

> All that you love

> All that you hate

> All you distrust

> All that you save

> All that you give

> All that you deal

> All that you buy beg, borrow or steal

> All you create All you destroy

> All that you do

> All that you say

> All that you eat everyone you meet

> All that you slight everyone you fight

> All that is now

> All that is gone

> All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the

> sun is eclipsed by the moon. .

>

>

> " There is no dark side of the moon really, as a matter of fact...it

> is all dark "

>

>

> Pink Floyd " Dark Side of the Moon "

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > all are bondage

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

anna

 

raiz

 

(sic)

 

:

 

 

 

 

does life

 

come from

 

the

 

root

 

shoot

 

or

 

fruit

 

 

?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

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When Jesus came some 2000 years back, do you think everybody recognized Him as

God? No. Other than that handful of His disciples nobody else recognized Him.

Even when He said, 'I and My father are one and the same', still He was not

recognized as Lord. People became furious, jealous and egoistic towards Jesus

and they crucified Him.

 

He preached true divine knowledge to uplift the people. But did the people

hear Him and followed His word? He comes in human form to drive people to the

right direction, but if people do not hear, it is not His mistake. He has given

free will to all the people and He comes in human form and preaches the divine

knowledge. People, who want to listen, will listen and follow and go with Him to

His kingdom. Other people will be left to their fate.

 

My humble question to you is, do you think if Lord Jesus comes now, will you

be able to recognize Him? But don't think He will come in the same external He

came some 2000 years back. So, the same cinema repeats. When Lord comes in human

form He preaches excellent true divine knowledge (like Bible by Jesus, Gita by

Krishna). This is the identification mark of Lord, and this knowledge only

clarifies all the doubts provided the devotee shows interest and keenness.

 

Lord is omnipotent. If anybody wants to enjoy a movie, he should not know the

scenes beforehand. So Lord puts ignorance on Him and enjoys this creation as a

cinema. At the same time His ignorance is apparent and is under His full

control. So there is no necessity for Lord to know what is going to be uttered

by me now even before I born even though He can know. That is why Lord as

creator is compared to a day dreamer whose ignorance is under full control of

the dreamer. But, ignorance controls the individual human being. That is the

difference between Lord and human being.

 

Are we not attacked by illness? When illness comes we do not have any freedom

but to lie down on bed. These are like indirectly, Lord trying us to push

towards Him. For school children, teaching is not only sufficient, caning is

also required to put them in track. This is our status.

 

The knowledge being posted here is the preaching of Shri Datta Swami, who is

the human incarnation of Lord like Jesus, Krishna etc. These are not human

being's interpretations. You take it for granted that all your questions will be

answered here by Shri Datta Swamiji.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

Surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

skywhilds <skywords wrote:

yes, we must make sacrifices ($ to the criminal!) in order to get the

" top most laurels " and you don't see this as pure ego? and what an

exhibitionistic spectacle:

to perform a miracle! and you believe in the hokus pokus

of drinking molten lead? you don't know how that trick is perfomed?

better get familiar with the deceits and corruption of men before you

to conceits and mystification of the " divine " (by the way,

do you still believe in Santa Clause?) (guess what: the emperor has no clothes)

seriously, prakki! ~ you say some very good things but polyanna

is your middle name

 

 

.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Swami, who is

the human incarnation of Lord like Jesus, Krishna etc. These are not human

being's interpretations. You take it for granted that all your questions will be

answered here by Shri Datta Swamiji.

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

 

Surya

 

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

skywhilds <skywords wrote:

 

yes, we must make sacrifices ($ to the criminal!) in order to get the

" top most laurels " and you don't see this as pure ego? and what an

exhibitionistic spectacle:

to perform a miracle! and you believe in the hokus pokus

of drinking molten lead? you don't know how that trick is perfomed?

 

better get familiar with the deceits and corruption of men before you

to conceits and mystification of the " divine " (by the way,

do you still believe in Santa Clause?)

 

--------------------

 

I'll set up a poll to ask the members who wants to folow Datta Sw, or give him

some dolars.

 

Maybe than surya will stop recruiting us away from Nisargadatta this stubborned

 

 

Era

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