Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind you The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these bonds did not exist Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with them Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala Chakra Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra The same is said “Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah” The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three Are called as “Eeshanaas”, which are the stainless steel chains, which never Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of Karma The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to earn Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the spontaneous Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of loans Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and you do not Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of karma only If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not repay the loan Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember previous birth These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the form of work and also money The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing the children Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to the children And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call Liberation and Enlightenment. Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being of Death. That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will liberate me for all time to come. But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being enlightened! Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence in never ending dimensions. But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning. Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for nobody. I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to exist. I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and happiness. But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom, that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist, liberation and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't count, because it is experienced by my dead no one. . Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind you > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated > > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these bonds did not exist > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds > > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love > The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with them > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala Chakra > > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah " > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains, which never > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of Karma > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to earn > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the spontaneous > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of loans > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and you do not > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of karma only > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not repay the loan > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember previous birth > > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the form of work and also money > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing the children > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to the children > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call Liberation and Enlightenment. > > > Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being of Death. > > That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will liberate me for all time to come. > > But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being enlightened! > > > Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence in never ending dimensions. > > But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning. > > Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for nobody. > > I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to exist. > > I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and happiness. > > But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom, that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist, liberation and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't count, because it is experienced by my dead no one. > > > . > > > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind you > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated > > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these bonds did not exist > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds > > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love > The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with them > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala Chakra > > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah " > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains, which never > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of Karma > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to earn > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the spontaneous > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of loans > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and you do not > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of karma only > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not repay the loan > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember previous birth > > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the form of work and also money > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing the children > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to the children > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call Liberation and Enlightenment. > > > Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being of Death. > > That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will liberate me for all time to come. > > But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being enlightened! > > > Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence in never ending dimensions. > > But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace, freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning. > > Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for nobody. > > I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to exist. > > I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and happiness. > > But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom, that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist, liberation and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't count, because it is experienced by my dead no one. > the be either with or without love or hate life or death illusion or reality family or no family guru or no guru debt or no debt all are bondage .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Swamiji is preaching the true divine knowledge as per the scriptures, quoting the incidents from the real devotees life simultaneously. These two form the basis for knowing the validity of knowledge being preached. He is showing us the true path. The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord are .... Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and always said ‘I am servant to Lord Rama’. He even performed many miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only. (Dasoham kosalendrasya.....) For such worship, Lord has given future creator post to Hanuman. St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, the then human incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of divine knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama Krishna Paramahamsa. Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and propagated them. In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So, first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His order, they participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically participating in His mission). They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated advaita (Non-dualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not Lord. I am only Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could not drink it. So, only Sankara is Lord in human form and not disciples. If disciples themselves are not Lord, normal human beings cannot even think of in their dreams also. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org anabebe57 <kailashana wrote: Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind you > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated > > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these bonds did not exist > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds > > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love > The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with them > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala Chakra > > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah " > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains, which never > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of Karma > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to earn > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the spontaneous > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of loans > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and you do not > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of karma only > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not repay the loan > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember previous birth > > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the form of work and also money > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing the children > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to the children > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > No one has returned from the dead to speak except as the thoughts in my head. 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Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > Swamiji is preaching the true divine knowledge as per the scriptures, quoting the incidents from the real devotees life simultaneously. These two form the basis for knowing the validity of knowledge being preached. He is showing us the true path. > > The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord are .... > > Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and always said `I am servant to Lord Rama'. He even performed many miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only. (Dasoham kosalendrasya.....) For such worship, Lord has given future creator post to Hanuman. > > St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. > > Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, the then human incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of divine knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama Krishna Paramahamsa. > > Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and propagated them. > > In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So, first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His order, they participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically participating in His mission). > > They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated advaita (Non-dualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not Lord. I am only Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could not drink it. So, only Sankara is Lord in human form and not disciples. If disciples themselves are not Lord, normal human beings cannot even think of in their dreams also. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > anabebe57 <kailashana wrote: > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, > Moon, Stars > > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this > is not > > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or > salvation > > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the > death > > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind > you > > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your > family members > > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which > you must be salvated > > > > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only > and not for you > > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this > world is unreal > > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, > which is created > > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these > bonds did not exist > > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence > are not existing > > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always > unreal > > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly > bonds > > > > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these > family bonds > > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is > absolutely correct > > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred > and not love > > The reason is that these family members were very vehement > enemies to you > > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and > fought with them > > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with > the > > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and > you are bound > > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., > associated with Kala Chakra > > > > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is > Kala Chakra > > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah " > > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and > these three > > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains, > which never > > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only > the force of Karma > > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that > you have to earn > > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is > the spontaneous > > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the > money so that > > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the > collection of loans > > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the > force of Karma > > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you > and you do not > > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of > karma only > > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not > repay the loan > > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember > previous birth > > > > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of > love and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the > form of work and also money > > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and > clothing the children > > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma > Sanyasa > > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property > to the children > > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala > Tyaga. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > No one has returned from the dead to speak except as the thoughts > in my head. > > Anna yes, we must make sacrifices ($ to the criminal!) in order to get the " top most laurels " and you don't see this as pure ego? and what an exhibitionistic spectacle: to perform a miracle! and you believe in the hokus pokus of drinking molten lead? you don't know how that trick is perfomed? better get familiar with the deceits and corruption of men before you to conceits and mystification of the " divine " (by the way, do you still believe in Santa Clause?) (guess what: the emperor has no clothes) seriously, prakki! ~ you say some very good things but polyanna is your middle name .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, > Moon, Stars > > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this > is not > > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation > > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death > > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds bind you > > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your > family members > > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which > you must be salvated > > > > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only > and not for you > > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this > world is unreal > > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which > is created > > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these > bonds did not exist > > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are > not existing > > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal > > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly > bonds > > > > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these > family bonds > > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is > absolutely correct > > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred > and not love > > The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies > to you > > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and > fought with them > > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the > > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and > you are bound > > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., > associated with Kala Chakra > > > > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala > Chakra > > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah " > > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and > these three > > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel chains, > which never > > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the > force of Karma > > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that > you have to earn > > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is > the spontaneous > > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the > money so that > > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the > collection of loans > > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the > force of Karma > > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and > you do not > > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of > karma only > > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not > repay the loan > > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember > previous birth > > > > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love > and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the form of > work and also money > > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing > the children > > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa > > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to > the children > > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > surya > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call > Liberation and Enlightenment. > > > > > > Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's > mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the Being > of Death. > > > > That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will > liberate me for all time to come. > > > > But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my > achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being enlightened! > > > > > > Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, liberation > and silence in never ending dimensions. > > > > But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace, > freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning. > > > > Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for nobody. > > > > I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to exist. > > > > I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and happiness. > > > > But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And if > my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and freedom, > that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist, liberation > and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've > killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't > count, because it is experienced by my dead no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the be either with or without > > love or hate > > life or death > > illusion or reality > > family or no family > > guru or no guru > > debt or no debt > > > once again the song: All that you touch All that you see All that you taste All that you feel All that you love All that you hate All you distrust All that you save All that you give All that you deal All that you buy beg, borrow or steal All you create All you destroy All that you do All that you say All that you eat everyone you meet All that you slight everyone you fight All that is now All that is gone All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the sun is eclipsed by the moon. . " There is no dark side of the moon really, as a matter of fact...it is all dark " Pink Floyd " Dark Side of the Moon " > > > > > > all are bondage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> > wrote: > > > > > > This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like > Sun, > > Moon, Stars > > > Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and > this > > is not > > > The world from which you have to attain the liberation or > salvation > > > If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the > death > > > Death is not the salvation since even after death the bonds > bind you > > > The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with > your > > family members > > > It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which > > you must be salvated > > > > > > The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator > only > > and not for you > > > You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that > this > > world is unreal > > > You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, > which > > is created > > > By yourself only and why this is unreal? If you analyse, these > > bonds did not exist > > > Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence > are > > not existing > > > During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always > unreal > > > Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these > worldly > > bonds > > > > > > Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these > > family bonds > > > This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is > > absolutely correct > > > If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred > > and not love > > > The reason is that these family members were very vehement > enemies > > to you > > > In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and > > fought with them > > > Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with > the > > > Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children > and > > you are bound > > > To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., > > associated with Kala Chakra > > > > > > Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is > Kala > > Chakra > > > The same is said " Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah " > > > The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and > > these three > > > Are called as " Eeshanaas " , which are the stainless steel > chains, > > which never > > > Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only > the > > force of Karma > > > The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for > that > > you have to earn > > > Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that > is > > the spontaneous > > > Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the > > money so that > > > You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the > > collection of loans > > > Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the > > force of Karma > > > These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you > and > > you do not > > > Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force > of > > karma only > > > If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not > > repay the loan > > > Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not > remember > > previous birth > > > > > > These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of > love > > and friendship These enemies are collecting their money in the > form of > > work and also money > > > The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and > clothing > > the children > > > Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma > Sanyasa > > > The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property > to > > the children > > > And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala > Tyaga. > > > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > > surya > > > http://www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > There is a great delusion, among many of us to what we call > > Liberation and Enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone I know including my deluded guru's and teacher's > > mistakenly confuse what I call Liberation and Freedom with the > Being > > of Death. > > > > > > That if I only free my ego from every sense and desire, this will > > liberate me for all time to come. > > > > > > But I am being completely ignorant and absolutely deluded, my > > achievement has nothing to do with being liberated and being > enlightened! > > > > > > > > > Of course, in death I experience bliss, peace, freedom, > liberation > > and silence in never ending dimensions. > > > > > > But being death doesn't end with the experience of bliss, peace, > > freedom, liberation and silence, it is not even the beginning. > > > > > > Death is a delusion, a fatamorgana, nothing to experience for > nobody. > > > > > > I think that if I only hide my dead ego the world will cease to > exist. > > > > > > I think I am no longer the world, once I experience peace and > happiness. > > > > > > But who is experiencing piece and happiness ? My dead ego ? And > if > > my dead ego experiences peace and happiness, liberation and > freedom, > > that means no more than peace and happiness doesn't exist, > liberation > > and freedom is a delusion because my dead ego doesn't exist, I've > > killed it, don't I remember, the experience I experience doesn't > > count, because it is experienced by my dead no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the be either with or without > > > > love or hate > > > > life or death > > > > illusion or reality > > > > family or no family > > > > guru or no guru > > > > debt or no debt > > > > > > > once again the song: > > All that you touch > All that you see > All that you taste > All that you feel > All that you love > All that you hate > All you distrust > All that you save > All that you give > All that you deal > All that you buy beg, borrow or steal > All you create All you destroy > All that you do > All that you say > All that you eat everyone you meet > All that you slight everyone you fight > All that is now > All that is gone > All that's to come and everything under the sun is in tune but the > sun is eclipsed by the moon. . > > > " There is no dark side of the moon really, as a matter of fact...it > is all dark " > > > Pink Floyd " Dark Side of the Moon " > > > > > > > > > > > > > all are bondage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > anna raiz (sic) : does life come from the root shoot or fruit ? .... 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 When Jesus came some 2000 years back, do you think everybody recognized Him as God? No. Other than that handful of His disciples nobody else recognized Him. Even when He said, 'I and My father are one and the same', still He was not recognized as Lord. People became furious, jealous and egoistic towards Jesus and they crucified Him. He preached true divine knowledge to uplift the people. But did the people hear Him and followed His word? He comes in human form to drive people to the right direction, but if people do not hear, it is not His mistake. He has given free will to all the people and He comes in human form and preaches the divine knowledge. People, who want to listen, will listen and follow and go with Him to His kingdom. Other people will be left to their fate. My humble question to you is, do you think if Lord Jesus comes now, will you be able to recognize Him? But don't think He will come in the same external He came some 2000 years back. So, the same cinema repeats. When Lord comes in human form He preaches excellent true divine knowledge (like Bible by Jesus, Gita by Krishna). This is the identification mark of Lord, and this knowledge only clarifies all the doubts provided the devotee shows interest and keenness. Lord is omnipotent. If anybody wants to enjoy a movie, he should not know the scenes beforehand. So Lord puts ignorance on Him and enjoys this creation as a cinema. At the same time His ignorance is apparent and is under His full control. So there is no necessity for Lord to know what is going to be uttered by me now even before I born even though He can know. That is why Lord as creator is compared to a day dreamer whose ignorance is under full control of the dreamer. But, ignorance controls the individual human being. That is the difference between Lord and human being. Are we not attacked by illness? When illness comes we do not have any freedom but to lie down on bed. These are like indirectly, Lord trying us to push towards Him. For school children, teaching is not only sufficient, caning is also required to put them in track. This is our status. The knowledge being posted here is the preaching of Shri Datta Swami, who is the human incarnation of Lord like Jesus, Krishna etc. These are not human being's interpretations. You take it for granted that all your questions will be answered here by Shri Datta Swamiji. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami Surya www.universal-spirituality.org skywhilds <skywords wrote: yes, we must make sacrifices ($ to the criminal!) in order to get the " top most laurels " and you don't see this as pure ego? and what an exhibitionistic spectacle: to perform a miracle! and you believe in the hokus pokus of drinking molten lead? you don't know how that trick is perfomed? better get familiar with the deceits and corruption of men before you to conceits and mystification of the " divine " (by the way, do you still believe in Santa Clause?) (guess what: the emperor has no clothes) seriously, prakki! ~ you say some very good things but polyanna is your middle name . Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 ..... Swami, who is the human incarnation of Lord like Jesus, Krishna etc. These are not human being's interpretations. You take it for granted that all your questions will be answered here by Shri Datta Swamiji. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami Surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org skywhilds <skywords wrote: yes, we must make sacrifices ($ to the criminal!) in order to get the " top most laurels " and you don't see this as pure ego? and what an exhibitionistic spectacle: to perform a miracle! and you believe in the hokus pokus of drinking molten lead? you don't know how that trick is perfomed? better get familiar with the deceits and corruption of men before you to conceits and mystification of the " divine " (by the way, do you still believe in Santa Clause?) -------------------- I'll set up a poll to ask the members who wants to folow Datta Sw, or give him some dolars. Maybe than surya will stop recruiting us away from Nisargadatta this stubborned Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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