Guest guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 A thing itself is an egoic story within duality. The perfection of a thing as its actual isness itself is not Truth because perfection as a state or goal or thing, is an egoic story. But the awareness of perfection as the isness of a story is a singularity and is a doorway that opens into Truth. Living as awareness of exact isness, or at least living with the awareness that a given story is at its roots perfectly being what it is... is moving in the direction of living without a story. Well... did the above sound like egoic nonsense to you... or not? ;-) Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > A thing itself is an egoic story within duality. > > The perfection of a thing as its actual isness itself is not Truth > because perfection as a state or goal or thing, is an egoic story. > > But the awareness of perfection as the isness of a story is a > singularity and is a doorway that opens into Truth. > > Living as awareness of exact isness, or at least living with the > awareness that a given story is at its roots perfectly being what it > is... is moving in the direction of living without a story. > > Well... did the above sound like egoic nonsense to you... or not? ;-) > > Stu > you advocate living as awareness of isness... first as the isness of a story, indicating that is a moving in the direction of awareness of isness without a story. your sense of " isness " may be different from that of someone else. It is hard to be clear about such things. you seem to be saying, " Don't worry about perfection... take isness as it presents itself, even if complicated by a story. " your expression " exact isness " is curious... as if there could be inexact isness. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > A thing itself is an egoic story within duality. > > > > The perfection of a thing as its actual isness itself is not Truth > > because perfection as a state or goal or thing, is an egoic story. > > > > But the awareness of perfection as the isness of a story is a > > singularity and is a doorway that opens into Truth. > > > > Living as awareness of exact isness, or at least living with the > > awareness that a given story is at its roots perfectly being what it > > is... is moving in the direction of living without a story. > > > > Well... did the above sound like egoic nonsense to you... or not? ;-) > > > > Stu > > > > you advocate living as awareness of isness... > > first as the isness of a story, indicating > that is a moving in the direction of > awareness of isness without a story. > > your sense of " isness " may be different from > that of someone else. It is hard to be clear > about such things. > > you seem to be saying, " Don't worry about > perfection... take isness as it presents > itself, even if complicated by a story. " > > your expression " exact isness " is curious... > as if there could be inexact isness. > > Bill if there is such a thing as 'exactness' there is such a thing as 'inexactness', whether we talk of 'isness' or 'business'......same same. within duality all things have their opposite.....and if what is being discussed is 'outside of duality'......it's just jibberish, because that which is nondual, that which is the 'Good' or the 'True' or the 'Real'etc......that which we all endlessly TRY and talk about.......cannot be talked about.... and between two or more 'something or others' cannot be discussed....... by definition of the term alone....... but if there is anything posessing exactness there is an aspect or manifestation of that same thing in exactness by reason of the world encompassing structure laid upon us. it's an 'isness' issue really. .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > A thing itself is an egoic story within duality. > > > > The perfection of a thing as its actual isness itself is not Truth > > because perfection as a state or goal or thing, is an egoic story. > > > > But the awareness of perfection as the isness of a story is a > > singularity and is a doorway that opens into Truth. > > > > Living as awareness of exact isness, or at least living with the > > awareness that a given story is at its roots perfectly being what it > > is... is moving in the direction of living without a story. > > > > Well... did the above sound like egoic nonsense to you... or not? ;-) > > > > Stu > > > > you advocate living as awareness of isness... > > first as the isness of a story, indicating > that is a moving in the direction of > awareness of isness without a story. > > your sense of " isness " may be different from > that of someone else. It is hard to be clear > about such things. > > you seem to be saying, " Don't worry about > perfection... take isness as it presents > itself, even if complicated by a story. " > > your expression " exact isness " is curious... > as if there could be inexact isness. > > Bill > Bill I guess I am saying that to me nothing is true as a thing but that awareness of the thing as it is in this instant, the now; is the only Truth to be found in the thing... It feels to me that anything experienced in the now, is infinite and is no longer misread as being a thing at all. Existence or continued existence beyond a moment called " now " , is evidence that the exact isness is avoided, or not being looked at directly. That duality is entered or perpetuated by the viewer when he or she does not look directly at what is. I feel that I am the viewer and the thing viewed. That the viewer and the viewed or duality, only exist when we mis-view or alter what we view, or in the trance of duality say that it is something other than what it is. Also, to me Truth is the only perfection and that perfection is exactly what anything is... which is no-thing... which is no viewer and nothing viewed. Sorry if I am not being logical or clear, I do not understand it well enough to put it into words:-) Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > > > A thing itself is an egoic story within duality. > > > > > > The perfection of a thing as its actual isness itself is not Truth > > > because perfection as a state or goal or thing, is an egoic story. > > > > > > But the awareness of perfection as the isness of a story is a > > > singularity and is a doorway that opens into Truth. > > > > > > Living as awareness of exact isness, or at least living with the > > > awareness that a given story is at its roots perfectly being what > it > > > is... is moving in the direction of living without a story. > > > > > > Well... did the above sound like egoic nonsense to you... or > not? ;-) > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > you advocate living as awareness of isness... > > > > first as the isness of a story, indicating > > that is a moving in the direction of > > awareness of isness without a story. > > > > your sense of " isness " may be different from > > that of someone else. It is hard to be clear > > about such things. > > > > you seem to be saying, " Don't worry about > > perfection... take isness as it presents > > itself, even if complicated by a story. " > > > > your expression " exact isness " is curious... > > as if there could be inexact isness. > > > > Bill > > > > if there is such a thing as 'exactness' there is such a thing > as 'inexactness', whether we talk of 'isness' or 'business'......same > same. within duality all things have their opposite.....and if what > is being discussed is 'outside of duality'......it's just jibberish, > because that which is nondual, that which is the 'Good' or the 'True' > or the 'Real'etc......that which we all endlessly TRY and talk > about.......cannot be talked about.... and between two or > more 'something or others' cannot be discussed....... by definition > of the term alone....... but if there is anything posessing exactness > there is an aspect or manifestation of that same thing in exactness > by reason of the world encompassing structure laid upon us. it's > an 'isness' issue really. > > .........bob > Yes, it is a conundrum. It is like duality is a computer program with the perfect virus protection. Not to complicate the issue further but, I either can comprehend a thing but not find it, or can find it but not comprehend it. That for me is the virus protection that is built into duality. Its like a version of the Heisenbert uncertainty principle:-) Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > > > A thing itself is an egoic story within duality. > > > > > > The perfection of a thing as its actual isness itself is not Truth > > > because perfection as a state or goal or thing, is an egoic story. > > > > > > But the awareness of perfection as the isness of a story is a > > > singularity and is a doorway that opens into Truth. > > > > > > Living as awareness of exact isness, or at least living with the > > > awareness that a given story is at its roots perfectly being what it > > > is... is moving in the direction of living without a story. > > > > > > Well... did the above sound like egoic nonsense to you... or not? ;-) > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > you advocate living as awareness of isness... > > > > first as the isness of a story, indicating > > that is a moving in the direction of > > awareness of isness without a story. > > > > your sense of " isness " may be different from > > that of someone else. It is hard to be clear > > about such things. > > > > you seem to be saying, " Don't worry about > > perfection... take isness as it presents > > itself, even if complicated by a story. " > > > > your expression " exact isness " is curious... > > as if there could be inexact isness. > > > > Bill > > > > Bill I guess I am saying that to me nothing is true as a thing but > that awareness of the thing as it is in this instant, the now; is the > only Truth to be found in the thing... > It feels to me that anything experienced in the now, is infinite and > is no longer misread as being a thing at all. > > Existence or continued existence beyond a moment called " now " , is > evidence that the exact isness is avoided, or not being looked at > directly. That duality is entered or perpetuated by the viewer when > he or she does not look directly at what is. > > I feel that I am the viewer and the thing viewed. That the viewer and > the viewed or duality, only exist when we mis-view or alter what we > view, or in the trance of duality say that it is something other than > what it is. > > Also, to me Truth is the only perfection and that perfection is > exactly what anything is... which is no-thing... which is no viewer > and nothing viewed. > > Sorry if I am not being logical or clear, I do not understand it well > enough to put it into words:-) > > Stu > very clear, actually... in Now there is no " thing " ... and the no-thingness of Now is Truth I see better what you mean by inexact isness now. Still an odd term in my view , but I appreciate your point when you say: > Existence or continued existence beyond a moment called " now " , is > evidence that the exact isness is avoided, or not being looked at > directly. That duality is entered or perpetuated by the viewer when > he or she does not look directly at what is. You seem to be saying that one might call experience of an object an experience in Now and an experience of being, but to do so would be to misunderstand what is really Now and what is really being/isness. And that is a good point. Some will call " living for today " a living in the now, and while in a sense that is true, it is not what I mean by Now and apparently now what you mean by Now. Someone who was learning about " mindfulness " told me that when she was loading the dishwasher she would say, " Now I am putting this spoon in... " For her that is great practice but it is not yet to the point of witnessing the vibrant aliveness of each moment wherein there are no distinct objects. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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