Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > When Jesus came some 2000 years back, do you think everybody recognized Him as God? No. Other than that handful of His disciples nobody else recognized Him. Even when He said, 'I and My father are one and the same', still He was not recognized as Lord. People became furious, jealous and egoistic towards Jesus and they crucified Him. > > He preached true divine knowledge to uplift the people. But did the people hear Him and followed His word? He comes in human form to drive people to the right direction, but if people do not hear, it is not His mistake. He has given free will to all the people and He comes in human form and preaches the divine knowledge. People, who want to listen, will listen and follow and go with Him to His kingdom. Other people will be left to their fate. > > My humble question to you is, do you think if Lord Jesus comes now, will you be able to recognize Him? But don't think He will come in the same external He came some 2000 years back. So, the same cinema repeats. When Lord comes in human form He preaches excellent true divine knowledge (like Bible by Jesus, Gita by Krishna). This is the identification mark of Lord, and this knowledge only clarifies all the doubts provided the devotee shows interest and keenness. > > Lord is omnipotent. If anybody wants to enjoy a movie, he should not know the scenes beforehand. So Lord puts ignorance on Him and enjoys this creation as a cinema. At the same time His ignorance is apparent and is under His full control. So there is no necessity for Lord to know what is going to be uttered by me now even before I born even though He can know. That is why Lord as creator is compared to a day dreamer whose ignorance is under full control of the dreamer. But, ignorance controls the individual human being. That is the difference between Lord and human being. > > Are we not attacked by illness? When illness comes we do not have any freedom but to lie down on bed. These are like indirectly, Lord trying us to push towards Him. For school children, teaching is not only sufficient, caning is also required to put them in track. This is our status. > > The knowledge being posted here is the preaching of Shri Datta Swami, who is the human incarnation of Lord like Jesus, Krishna etc. These are not human being's interpretations. You take it for granted that all your questions will be answered here by Shri Datta Swamiji. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > Surya > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > skywhilds <skywords wrote: > yes, we must make sacrifices ($ to the criminal!) in order to get the " top most laurels " and you don't see this as pure ego? and what an exhibitionistic spectacle: > to perform a miracle! and you believe in the hokus pokus > of drinking molten lead? you don't know how that trick is perfomed? > better get familiar with the deceits and corruption of men before you > to conceits and mystification of the " divine " (by the way, > do you still believe in Santa Clause?) (guess what: the emperor has no clothes) seriously, prakki! ~ you say some very good things but polyanna > is your middle name > so, you believe in jesus, too again, just because you believe what those around you tell you to believe enough people say something often enough and you believe it " If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. " ~ Joseph Goebbels religion is a state when it isn't the state in either case the statement holds of jesus, hitler, bush, surya etc, etc those for whom this isn't obvious are under hypnosis .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > > When Jesus came some 2000 years back, do you think everybody > recognized Him as God? No. Other than that handful of His disciples > nobody else recognized Him. Even when He said, 'I and My father are > one and the same', still He was not recognized as Lord. People became > furious, jealous and egoistic towards Jesus and they crucified Him. > > > > He preached true divine knowledge to uplift the people. But did > the people hear Him and followed His word? He comes in human form to > drive people to the right direction, but if people do not hear, it is > not His mistake. He has given free will to all the people and He comes > in human form and preaches the divine knowledge. People, who want to > listen, will listen and follow and go with Him to His kingdom. Other > people will be left to their fate. > > > > My humble question to you is, do you think if Lord Jesus comes > now, will you be able to recognize Him? But don't think He will come > in the same external He came some 2000 years back. So, the same cinema > repeats. When Lord comes in human form He preaches excellent true > divine knowledge (like Bible by Jesus, Gita by Krishna). This is the > identification mark of Lord, and this knowledge only clarifies all the > doubts provided the devotee shows interest and keenness. > > > > Lord is omnipotent. If anybody wants to enjoy a movie, he should > not know the scenes beforehand. So Lord puts ignorance on Him and > enjoys this creation as a cinema. At the same time His ignorance is > apparent and is under His full control. So there is no necessity for > Lord to know what is going to be uttered by me now even before I born > even though He can know. That is why Lord as creator is compared to a > day dreamer whose ignorance is under full control of the dreamer. But, > ignorance controls the individual human being. That is the difference > between Lord and human being. > > > > Are we not attacked by illness? When illness comes we do not have > any freedom but to lie down on bed. These are like indirectly, Lord > trying us to push towards Him. For school children, teaching is not > only sufficient, caning is also required to put them in track. This is > our status. > > > > The knowledge being posted here is the preaching of Shri Datta > Swami, who is the human incarnation of Lord like Jesus, Krishna etc. > These are not human being's interpretations. You take it for granted > that all your questions will be answered here by Shri Datta Swamiji. > > > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > > Surya > > www.universal-spirituality.org > > > > > > skywhilds <skywords@> wrote: > > yes, we must make sacrifices ($ to the criminal!) in order > to get the " top most laurels " and you don't see this as pure ego? and > what an exhibitionistic spectacle: > > to perform a miracle! and you believe in the hokus pokus > > of drinking molten lead? you don't know how that trick is perfomed? > > better get familiar with the deceits and corruption of men before you > > to conceits and mystification of the " divine " (by the way, > > do you still believe in Santa Clause?) (guess what: the emperor has > no clothes) seriously, prakki! ~ you say some very good things but > polyanna > > is your middle name > > > > > > so, you believe in jesus, too > > again, just because you believe > > what those around you > > tell you to believe > > > > enough people say something > > often enough > > and you believe it > > > " If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will > eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such > time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic > and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally > important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, > for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, > the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. " > > ~ Joseph Goebbels > > > religion is a state > > when it isn't the state > > in either case > > the statement holds > > of jesus, hitler, > > bush, surya > > etc, etc > > > > those for whom > > this isn't > > obvious > > are under > > hypnosis > > > > > > ... > well that's pretty good....but you had me fooled on the Goebbels quote...I thought you were at a privy counsel with Georgie Bushy and Dickie Cheney and Donny Rumsfeld....then I saw, it was just from the texts('cept for surya) they study. .......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Swamiji’s mission is achieving world peace by the establishment of a Universal Spirituality based on Divine Knowledge. Divine Knowledge is the basis of all religions in the world and is the essential underlying message of all the scriptures. The One Omniscient and Omnipotent God gave the same Divine Knowledge in different lands and times. If only one religion and its scriptures are regarded as genuinely inspired by God, then one would have to accept that God is partial to have favored only one people and condemned all others to hell for no fault of theirs. Such claims of exclusiveness with regard to particular religions, its scriptures and its prophets are the cause of communal violence and the growing rift between religions and their followers. The root cause of such claims of exclusiveness in every religion is the misinterpretation of the scriptures. The prophets of each religion were God-inspired and revealed the Word of God to people according to the specific culture and needs of that people. The essential knowledge was the same but the external form was different. Followers of each religion, lacking the divine insight of their prophets, misinterpreted the words of the prophets and gave birth to mutual intolerance and strife between religions. The solution of this problem lies in the elucidation of the essential message of scriptures. This can be done by comparing scriptures of different religions, weighing against logic and experience and thereby resolving conflicts. It requires an in depth knowledge of all scriptures and a firm grasp of their essential meaning. Moreover it requires the same insight of Divine Knowledge that the prophets of each religion had. Alas this is not possible for an ordinary human being. The Will of the Lord alone can inspire this unattainable task. It is through the Lord’s Divine Will alone that Sri Datta Swami has taken up this mission for the benefit of the entire human race. Swamiji is not biased towards any particular religion since He sees only Divine Knowledge, which is the source of all religions. He is a strong proponent of a rational and scientific approach to spirituality. Ex: 1) Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work on the top most level. Gita says ‘Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah’i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana (knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better than Bakthi. Matthew–6 : 19 to 22 “Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also”. Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money) through the word ‘Jakaat’. This word says that every rich man is expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth. Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q’ran: AalFajr – 20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice. Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes most pure. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya http://www.universal-spirituality.org skywhilds <skywords wrote: so, you believe in jesus, too again, just because you believe what those around you tell you to believe enough people say something often enough and you believe it " If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. " ~ Joseph Goebbels religion is a state when it isn't the state in either case the statement holds of jesus, hitler, bush, surya etc, etc those for whom this isn't obvious are under hypnosis . Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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