falling / feeling / aggression / Bill & co.

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> ..do you believe in falling ?

> ...iietsa

>

> >>>>>>>>>

>

> no, because falling is relative motion...

> it is already inherently dual.

>

> and why believe in anything

> when the dissolution of all beliefs

> so poignant...

>

> Bill

>

 

Bill & co,

 

Forward

 

One thing that I've noticed is that people who often tend to get angry

also seem to both be judgmental and kind of out of touch with their

their feelings.

Out of touch with their bodies, they also tend to be kind of hyper mental.

 

I've noticed that you seem to be rather quick to judge harshly.

Specifically, I feel you were harsh with me, with bob, with lulu, and

others.

 

I think it possible to be nice. To get the same point across without

being punitive or aggressive. The very same point actually gets

across more effectively when delivered in a non aggressive way.

 

I'm not saying that I have this mastered, as you'd be the first to

point out. But I will say that I am now making such an effort.

 

I hope that I don't sound either harsh or judgmental. I'm simply

offering you what I experience to be an insight. If only about

myself. I'm sure you'll take it or leave it, as suits you.

 

 

Feeling

 

So, this was, then, a preamble to the issue of " falling. " Because I

consider that a feeling very directly associated with the surrender to

the very state of awareness that you've been addressing recently.

 

Let me say that I've appreciated the focus and insight you've offered

on this subject. Yet I've experienced it is as more mental and

theoretical than as completely authentic.

 

You've been judging people on this list on such an intuitive basis,

applying the word, " fresh. " And so, I'm sure you know that there is a

very corporeal element to non duality.

 

 

Falling

 

 

So, when I talk about falling, I'm addressing a corporeal experience

that is more than palpable. It is the experience of letting go of the

things I feel attached to. There's a tremendous sense of complete

relaxation into the a widening universe. It is, therefore, by it's

very nature, dual, since it's leaving one place and entering another.

 

If you mean to imply that you are already there, I have to question

it. Since I doubt that you or anyone is ever permanently there,.

Rather, the sense of duality can't ever be completely abandoned, to

use your word. Rather, non duality includes duality.

 

 

Aggression

 

So, for you to respond with what appears to be a strictly theoretical

or mental or abstract evaluation -- this seems quite consistent with

the aggressiveness that I associate with some of your statements.

 

This is very central to me, because I feel quite confident that, as

Nis says, going beyond anger and aggression is pivotal to the teaching.

 

But I'm certainly not merely addressing you here. My impression is

that people seek spiritual paths precisely because they find

themselves overwhelmed by aggression. Inevitably, I see plenty of

aggression here.

 

It should be expected. But I am now insisting that it should be

addressed. Addressed as, really, one of the topmost priorities.

 

 

Lastly, I'd like to observe that not only do I feel that aggression is

unnecessarily employed. It appears to be actually encouraged. I'd

like to suggest, then, that it's a lot better on every level to be

nicer. Not only that, but since many of us here seem to value

cleverness, I'd like to suggest that niceness is a whole lot smarter,

as well.

 

As I wrap this up, it occurs to me that this is actually an issue that

you, Bill, had been grappling with before I began posting. So maybe I

should expect that you, in particular, might be sympathetic with this

point of view.

 

 

 

sky

~*~