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" The real meaning of enlightenment is to gaze with undimmed eyes on

all darkness. "

 

 

" Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes which see

reality. "

 

 

" I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

 

 

" A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the

rope and be free "

 

 

" Every perfect traveler always creates the country where he travels "

 

 

" My entire soul is a cry, and all my work is a commentary on that

cry. "

 

 

" I said to the almond tree, ''Friend, speak to me... " and the almond

tree blossomed "

 

 

 

Nikos Kazantzakis

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> " The real meaning of enlightenment is to gaze with undimmed eyes

on

> all darkness. "

>

>

> " Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes which see

> reality. "

>

>

> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

>

>

> " A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the

> rope and be free "

>

>

> " Every perfect traveler always creates the country where he

travels "

>

>

> " My entire soul is a cry, and all my work is a commentary on that

> cry. "

>

>

> " I said to the almond tree, ''Friend, speak to me... " and the

almond

> tree blossomed "

>

>

>

> Nikos Kazantzakis

>

 

 

Thank you Bob for posting,

one of my very favourite soul speak spoken.

 

 

here's another:

 

" I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself "

 

D.H. Lawrence

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

>>

 

>> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

 

Thanks for posting these quotes...

 

this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has been buried on

the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the Christian church

had refused to give him a place on an official graveyard.

 

I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice and romantic at

the first moment but can demand literally everything if taken seriously.

 

I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one coin which

keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and still have hopes.

We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

 

Greetings

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >>

>

> >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

>

> Thanks for posting these quotes...

>

> this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has been buried on

> the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the Christian church

> had refused to give him a place on an official graveyard.

>

> I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice and romantic at

> the first moment but can demand literally everything if taken seriously.

 

the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

when in truth one could spend a day and still

not digest it.

 

Bill

 

 

>

> I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one coin which

> keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and still have hopes.

> We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

>

> Greetings

> Stefan

>

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Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >>

> >

> > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> >

> > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> >

> > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has been

buried on

> > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the Christian

church

> > had refused to give him a place on an official graveyard.

> >

> > I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice and

romantic at

> > the first moment but can demand literally everything if taken

seriously.

>

> the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> when in truth one could spend a day and still

> not digest it.

>

> Bill

>

>

> >

> > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one coin which

> > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and still have

hopes.

> > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> >

> > Greetings

> > Stefan

> >

>

 

 

Dearest Bill and Stefan,

 

imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we are

never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or fear.

 

Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a hand that

tosses the coin.

 

Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be lost again

and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when another song

ends.

 

.......understanding

is a perfect snowflake

melting.....

 

YIL,

Anna

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >>

> > >

> > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > >

> > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > >

> > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has been

> buried on

> > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the Christian

> church

> > > had refused to give him a place on an official graveyard.

> > >

> > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice and

> romantic at

> > > the first moment but can demand literally everything if taken

> seriously.

> >

> > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > not digest it.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one coin

which

> > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and still have

> hopes.

> > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > >

> > > Greetings

> > > Stefan

> > >

> >

>

>

> Dearest Bill and Stefan,

>

> imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we are

> never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or fear.

>

> Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a hand that

> tosses the coin.

>

> Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be lost again

> and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when another song

> ends.

>

> ......understanding

> is a perfect snowflake

> melting.....

>

> YIL,

> Anna

>

 

Understanding is like a carrot,

Hoping one day you might get it right.

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Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > >

> > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has been

> > buried on

> > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the

Christian

> > church

> > > > had refused to give him a place on an official graveyard.

> > > >

> > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice and

> > romantic at

> > > > the first moment but can demand literally everything if taken

> > seriously.

> > >

> > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > not digest it.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one coin

> which

> > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and still have

> > hopes.

> > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > >

> > > > Greetings

> > > > Stefan

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> >

> > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we are

> > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or fear.

> >

> > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a hand

that

> > tosses the coin.

> >

> > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be lost

again

> > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when another

song

> > ends.

> >

> > ......understanding

> > is a perfect snowflake

> > melting.....

> >

> > YIL,

> > Anna

> >

>

> Understanding is like a carrot,

> Hoping one day you might get it right.

 

 

understanding is another.....nice dream....

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

<pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

<s.petersilge@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > >

> > > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has

been

> > > buried on

> > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the

> Christian

> > > church

> > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official graveyard.

> > > > >

> > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice and

> > > romantic at

> > > > > the first moment but can demand literally everything if

taken

> > > seriously.

> > > >

> > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > not digest it.

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one

coin

> > which

> > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and still

have

> > > hopes.

> > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > > >

> > > > > Greetings

> > > > > Stefan

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > >

> > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we

are

> > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or fear.

> > >

> > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a

hand

> that

> > > tosses the coin.

> > >

> > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be lost

> again

> > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when another

> song

> > > ends.

> > >

> > > ......understanding

> > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > melting.....

> > >

> > > YIL,

> > > Anna

> > >

> >

> > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > Hoping one day you might get it right.

>

>

> understanding is another.....nice dream....

>

>

> >

>

 

 

this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made real)

the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer exists,

understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream'.

 

The dream of separation, however has been seen to its logical

conclusion.

 

a.

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> <s.petersilge@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has

> been

> > > > buried on

> > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the

> > Christian

> > > > church

> > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official graveyard.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice and

> > > > romantic at

> > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally everything if

> taken

> > > > seriously.

> > > > >

> > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > not digest it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one

> coin

> > > which

> > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and still

> have

> > > > hopes.

> > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > >

> > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we

> are

> > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or fear.

> > > >

> > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a

> hand

> > that

> > > > tosses the coin.

> > > >

> > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be lost

> > again

> > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when

another

> > song

> > > > ends.

> > > >

> > > > ......understanding

> > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > melting.....

> > > >

> > > > YIL,

> > > > Anna

> > > >

> > >

> > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> >

> >

> > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

>

> this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made real)

> the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer exists,

> understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream'.

>

> The dream of separation, however has been seen to its logical

> conclusion.

>

> a.

 

 

don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

" the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer exists,

> understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream' "

 

sounds interesting

 

it let my think of the following statements:

 

" the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the dreamer " Marc "

exists "

 

the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the dream-

being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-being

exists

 

there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-being

 

it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

 

so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence, except

in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

 

this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

 

 

" dream " exist because of real being.....

....and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....

 

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

<kailashana@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis has

> > been

> > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the

> > > Christian

> > > > > church

> > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

graveyard.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice

and

> > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally everything if

> > taken

> > > > > seriously.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that one

> > coin

> > > > which

> > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and

still

> > have

> > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > >

> > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we

> > are

> > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or

fear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a

> > hand

> > > that

> > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > >

> > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be

lost

> > > again

> > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when

> another

> > > song

> > > > > ends.

> > > > >

> > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > melting.....

> > > > >

> > > > > YIL,

> > > > > Anna

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > >

> > >

> > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made real)

> > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

exists,

> > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream'.

> >

> > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its logical

> > conclusion.

> >

> > a.

>

>

> don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

exists,

> > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream' "

>

> sounds interesting

>

> it let my think of the following statements:

>

> " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the dreamer " Marc "

> exists "

>

> the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the dream-

> being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-being

> exists

>

> there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

> there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-being

>

> it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

>

> so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence, except

> in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

>

> this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

>

>

> " dream " exist because of real being.....

> ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

>

>

> Marc

 

 

* like waves on the deep ocean.....

 

moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

coming and going....

 

even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it isn't the

ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

>

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> <kailashana@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis

has

> > > been

> > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after the

> > > > Christian

> > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> graveyard.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so nice

> and

> > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally everything

if

> > > taken

> > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that

one

> > > coin

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and

> still

> > > have

> > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and

we

> > > are

> > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or

> fear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is

a

> > > hand

> > > > that

> > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be

> lost

> > > > again

> > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when

> > another

> > > > song

> > > > > > ends.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > Anna

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made

real)

> > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> exists,

> > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream'.

> > >

> > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its logical

> > > conclusion.

> > >

> > > a.

> >

> >

> > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> exists,

> > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream' "

> >

> > sounds interesting

> >

> > it let my think of the following statements:

> >

> > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

dreamer " Marc "

> > exists "

> >

> > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the dream-

> > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-

being

> > exists

> >

> > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

> > there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-being

> >

> > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> >

> > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence,

except

> > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

> >

> > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> >

> >

> > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> * like waves on the deep ocean.....

>

> moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> coming and going....

>

> even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it isn't the

> ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

 

 

If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

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>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis

> has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after

the

> > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so

nice

> > and

> > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

everything

> if

> > > > taken

> > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that

> one

> > > > coin

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and

> > still

> > > > have

> > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding

and

> we

> > > > are

> > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or

> > fear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope

is

> a

> > > > hand

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to

be

> > lost

> > > > > again

> > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when

> > > another

> > > > > song

> > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made

> real)

> > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > exists,

> > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream'.

> > > >

> > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its logical

> > > > conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > a.

> > >

> > >

> > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > exists,

> > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream' "

> > >

> > > sounds interesting

> > >

> > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > >

> > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> dreamer " Marc "

> > > exists "

> > >

> > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the

dream-

> > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-

> being

> > > exists

> > >

> > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

> > > there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-

being

> > >

> > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > >

> > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence,

> except

> > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

> > >

> > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > >

> > >

> > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> >

> > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > coming and going....

> >

> > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it isn't

the

> > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

>

>

> If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

 

 

don't understand your question....

maybe you could try to explain your question...

 

 

few more words....

 

a " dream-being " (dream-entity or dream bubble or ego-mind....or....)

means somone who understand the real nature by the intellect

only.....

 

behave like a wave on an infinite ocean.....still reacting

by " individual " emotions.....when there are " other "

appearing " waves " .......

still trapped into the dream of " seperation " .....with the difference

that, because of some " understanding " .....telling everybody.....that

everything is One....and Same

 

(which make no sense)

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: the one " who " has awareness isn't anymore concerned about such

sensational/fantastic/revelations/insights.....and wonderful

understandings/visions/dreams.....

 

and therefore know that there is nothing realy to tell....

 

except in dreams....

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>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis

> has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after

the

> > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so

nice

> > and

> > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

everything

> if

> > > > taken

> > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that

> one

> > > > coin

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and

> > still

> > > > have

> > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding

and

> we

> > > > are

> > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or

> > fear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope

is

> a

> > > > hand

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to

be

> > lost

> > > > > again

> > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when

> > > another

> > > > > song

> > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made

> real)

> > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > exists,

> > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream'.

> > > >

> > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its logical

> > > > conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > a.

> > >

> > >

> > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > exists,

> > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream' "

> > >

> > > sounds interesting

> > >

> > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > >

> > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> dreamer " Marc "

> > > exists "

> > >

> > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the

dream-

> > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-

> being

> > > exists

> > >

> > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

> > > there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-

being

> > >

> > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > >

> > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence,

> except

> > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

> > >

> > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > >

> > >

> > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> >

> > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > coming and going....

> >

> > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it isn't

the

> > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

>

>

> If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

 

>

one wouldn't......two would.........takes two to tango......observed

and observing.....are you there? or here? and just how fast are you

going.......you can't be certain of both at the same point in

time.....and who has time for it anyway. time just measures the

distance between two events that aren't happening......we live in the

Twilight Zone.......without knowing it......or not.

 

.......bob (the Rod Serling of Reality #9)

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. Kazantzakis

> has

> > > > been

> > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after

the

> > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so

nice

> > and

> > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

everything

> if

> > > > taken

> > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of that

> one

> > > > coin

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear and

> > still

> > > > have

> > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole coin.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding

and

> we

> > > > are

> > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or

> > fear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope

is

> a

> > > > hand

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to

be

> > lost

> > > > > again

> > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when

> > > another

> > > > > song

> > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made

> real)

> > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > exists,

> > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream'.

> > > >

> > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its logical

> > > > conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > a.

> > >

> > >

> > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > exists,

> > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and the 'dream' "

> > >

> > > sounds interesting

> > >

> > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > >

> > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> dreamer " Marc "

> > > exists "

> > >

> > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the

dream-

> > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-

> being

> > > exists

> > >

> > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

> > > there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-

being

> > >

> > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > >

> > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence,

> except

> > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

> > >

> > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > >

> > >

> > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> >

> > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > coming and going....

> >

> > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it isn't

the

> > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

>

>

> If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

 

 

one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as an entity

with " understanding "

 

Marc

>

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> > ......understanding

> > is a perfect snowflake

> > melting.....

> >

> > YIL,

> > Anna

> >

>

> Understanding is like a carrot,

> Hoping one day you might get it right.

>

 

two very different notions of understanding.

 

a reminder that a particular word does not

have a particular meaning.

 

words are like clay... you can make things

out of them.

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

 

>Dearest Bill and Stefan,

>

>imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we are

>never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or fear.

>

>Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a hand that

>tosses the coin.

>

>Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be lost again

>and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when another song

>ends.

>

>......understanding

>is a perfect snowflake

>melting.....

>

>YIL,

>Anna

 

Hi dear Anna,

 

you are right, there is freedom in being lost in the dance of life.

Interestingly this quote about hope, fear and freedom is written on

Nikos grave.

 

I see hope (in this context) as a form of desire, and both (hope and

fear) are pointed to the future because one does not want to get lost!

Therefor our mind is going round and round, only to keep up the

illusion that we are getting somewhere and thus are someone.

 

And love??? Krishnamurti comes to my mind who said to someone who

claimed that he can substitute love for fear:

 

" Is that not an act of thought which is afraid and therefore covers up

the fear with the word called love, again a belief? You have covered

up that fear with a word and you cling to the word, hoping to

dissipate fear. "

 

Greetings

Stefan

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

>

> >Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> >

> >imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding and we are

> >never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope or fear.

> >

> >Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope is a hand that

> >tosses the coin.

> >

> >Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to be lost again

> >and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken when another song

> >ends.

> >

> >......understanding

> >is a perfect snowflake

> >melting.....

> >

> >YIL,

> >Anna

>

> Hi dear Anna,

>

> you are right, there is freedom in being lost in the dance of life.

> Interestingly this quote about hope, fear and freedom is written on

> Nikos grave.

>

> I see hope (in this context) as a form of desire, and both (hope and

> fear) are pointed to the future because one does not want to get lost!

> Therefor our mind is going round and round, only to keep up the

> illusion that we are getting somewhere and thus are someone.

>

> And love??? Krishnamurti comes to my mind who said to someone who

> claimed that he can substitute love for fear:

>

> " Is that not an act of thought which is afraid and therefore covers up

> the fear with the word called love, again a belief? You have covered

> up that fear with a word and you cling to the word, hoping to

> dissipate fear. "

>

> Greetings

> Stefan

>

 

 

only the dead

 

know the end of war

 

 

only the dead

 

know the end of fear

 

 

anyone who has no fear

 

has no life

 

has no awareness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

<kailashana@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

free. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

Kazantzakis

> > has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after

> the

> > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so

> nice

> > > and

> > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> everything

> > if

> > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of

that

> > one

> > > > > coin

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear

and

> > > still

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole

coin.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding

> and

> > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope

or

> > > fear.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope

> is

> > a

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to

> be

> > > lost

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken

when

> > > > another

> > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made

> > real)

> > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

dreamer

> > > exists,

> > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

the 'dream'.

> > > > >

> > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

logical

> > > > > conclusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > a.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > > exists,

> > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

the 'dream' "

> > > >

> > > > sounds interesting

> > > >

> > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > >

> > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > exists "

> > > >

> > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the

> dream-

> > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-

> > being

> > > > exists

> > > >

> > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

> > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-

> being

> > > >

> > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > > >

> > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence,

> > except

> > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

> > > >

> > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > >

> > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > coming and going....

> > >

> > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it isn't

> the

> > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

> >

> >

> > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

>

> >

> one wouldn't......two would.........takes two to

tango......observed

> and observing.....are you there? or here? and just how fast are you

> going.......you can't be certain of both at the same point in

> time.....and who has time for it anyway. time just measures the

> distance between two events that aren't happening......we live in

the

> Twilight Zone.......without knowing it......or not.

>

> .......bob (the Rod Serling of Reality #9)

>

Two heart attacks and a Twilight Zone for 30 years? Poor man.

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

<kailashana@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

free. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

Kazantzakis

> > has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, after

> the

> > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so

> nice

> > > and

> > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> everything

> > if

> > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of

that

> > one

> > > > > coin

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear

and

> > > still

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole

coin.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand understanding

> and

> > we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of hope

or

> > > fear.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear. Hope

> is

> > a

> > > > > hand

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves to

> be

> > > lost

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken

when

> > > > another

> > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: (Made

> > real)

> > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

dreamer

> > > exists,

> > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

the 'dream'.

> > > > >

> > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

logical

> > > > > conclusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > a.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the dreamer

> > > exists,

> > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

the 'dream' "

> > > >

> > > > sounds interesting

> > > >

> > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > >

> > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > exists "

> > > >

> > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the

> dream-

> > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the dream-

> > being

> > > > exists

> > > >

> > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be awake....

> > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and dream-

> being

> > > >

> > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > > >

> > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated existence,

> > except

> > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity only

> > > >

> > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > >

> > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > coming and going....

> > >

> > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it isn't

> the

> > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

> >

> >

> > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

>

>

> one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as an entity

> with " understanding "

>

> Marc

> >

>

I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

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Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> <kailashana@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

<yohansky@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

> free. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> Kazantzakis

> > > has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town,

after

> > the

> > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so

> > nice

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> > everything

> > > if

> > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of

> that

> > > one

> > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear

> and

> > > > still

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole

> coin.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

understanding

> > and

> > > we

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of

hope

> or

> > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear.

Hope

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves

to

> > be

> > > > lost

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken

> when

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized:

(Made

> > > real)

> > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> dreamer

> > > > exists,

> > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> the 'dream'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

> logical

> > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

dreamer

> > > > exists,

> > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> the 'dream' "

> > > > >

> > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > >

> > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > >

> > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > exists "

> > > > >

> > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the

> > dream-

> > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the

dream-

> > > being

> > > > > exists

> > > > >

> > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

awake....

> > > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and

dream-

> > being

> > > > >

> > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > > > >

> > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

existence,

> > > except

> > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity

only

> > > > >

> > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > >

> > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > > coming and going....

> > > >

> > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it

isn't

> > the

> > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

> > >

> > >

> > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

> >

> > >

> > one wouldn't......two would.........takes two to

> tango......observed

> > and observing.....are you there? or here? and just how fast are

you

> > going.......you can't be certain of both at the same point in

> > time.....and who has time for it anyway. time just measures the

> > distance between two events that aren't happening......we live in

> the

> > Twilight Zone.......without knowing it......or not.

> >

> > .......bob (the Rod Serling of Reality #9)

> >

> Two heart attacks and a Twilight Zone for 30 years? Poor man.

>

well actually those were " art' attacks....couldn't stop painting

reality pictures.....and by the twilit bioluminescence, wherein are

found entities within the order of the Twilight District, this can be

of the greatest benefit for the carnival of lost souls seen in the

vaporific illusions of their own desires......an awakening

thing.....and yes I am a poor man(got lots of cabbage actually, but

it is not 'I' but the 'ALL' that enjoys all through this vessel of

emptiness)...Blessed are the poor in spirit, for they by NOT

knowing....KNOW!

 

...bob the Poor

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> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> <yohansky@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

> > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> > Kazantzakis

> > > > has

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town,

> after

> > > the

> > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an

official

> > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds

so

> > > nice

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> > > everything

> > > > if

> > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of

> > that

> > > > one

> > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of

fear

> > and

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole

> > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> understanding

> > > and

> > > > we

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of

> hope

> > or

> > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear.

> Hope

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow

ourselves

> to

> > > be

> > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken

> > when

> > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized:

> (Made

> > > > real)

> > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> > dreamer

> > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

> > logical

> > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> dreamer

> > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > the 'dream' "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > exists "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and

the

> > > dream-

> > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the

> dream-

> > > > being

> > > > > > exists

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

> awake....

> > > > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and

> dream-

> > > being

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

> existence,

> > > > except

> > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity

> only

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

disappear....*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > >

> > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > > > coming and going....

> > > > >

> > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it

> isn't

> > > the

> > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves "

do....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

> > >

> > > >

> > > one wouldn't......two would.........takes two to

> > tango......observed

> > > and observing.....are you there? or here? and just how fast are

> you

> > > going.......you can't be certain of both at the same point in

> > > time.....and who has time for it anyway. time just measures the

> > > distance between two events that aren't happening......we live

in

> > the

> > > Twilight Zone.......without knowing it......or not.

> > >

> > > .......bob (the Rod Serling of Reality #9)

> > >

> > Two heart attacks and a Twilight Zone for 30 years? Poor man.

> >

> well actually those were " art' attacks....couldn't stop painting

> reality pictures.....and by the twilit bioluminescence, wherein are

> found entities within the order of the Twilight District, this can

be

> of the greatest benefit for the carnival of lost souls seen in the

> vaporific illusions of their own desires......an awakening

> thing.....and yes I am a poor man(got lots of cabbage actually, but

> it is not 'I' but the 'ALL' that enjoys all through this vessel of

> emptiness)...Blessed are the poor in spirit, for they by NOT

> knowing....KNOW!

>

> ...bob the Poor

>

Long live cabbage and salt!

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > <yohansky@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

> > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town,

> > after

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an

> official

> > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which

sounds

> so

> > > > nice

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> > > > everything

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like

that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip

on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides

of

> > > that

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of

> fear

> > > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the

whole

> > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> > understanding

> > > > and

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of

> > hope

> > > or

> > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is

fear.

> > Hope

> > > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow

> ourselves

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to

reawaken

> > > when

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized:

> > (Made

> > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> > > dreamer

> > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

> > > logical

> > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> > dreamer

> > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and

> the

> > > > dream-

> > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the

> > dream-

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

> > awake....

> > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and

> > dream-

> > > > being

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being

is....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

> > existence,

> > > > > except

> > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming

entity

> > only

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

> disappear....*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it

> > isn't

> > > > the

> > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves "

> do....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > one wouldn't......two would.........takes two to

> > > tango......observed

> > > > and observing.....are you there? or here? and just how fast

are

> > you

> > > > going.......you can't be certain of both at the same point in

> > > > time.....and who has time for it anyway. time just measures

the

> > > > distance between two events that aren't happening......we

live

> in

> > > the

> > > > Twilight Zone.......without knowing it......or not.

> > > >

> > > > .......bob (the Rod Serling of Reality #9)

> > > >

> > > Two heart attacks and a Twilight Zone for 30 years? Poor man.

> > >

> > well actually those were " art' attacks....couldn't stop painting

> > reality pictures.....and by the twilit bioluminescence, wherein

are

> > found entities within the order of the Twilight District, this

can

> be

> > of the greatest benefit for the carnival of lost souls seen in

the

> > vaporific illusions of their own desires......an awakening

> > thing.....and yes I am a poor man(got lots of cabbage actually,

but

> > it is not 'I' but the 'ALL' that enjoys all through this vessel

of

> > emptiness)...Blessed are the poor in spirit, for they by NOT

> > knowing....KNOW!

> >

> > ...bob the Poor

> >

> Long live cabbage and salt!

 

>

Aye! Sauerkraut Forever!

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> <kailashana@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

<yohansky@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

> free. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> Kazantzakis

> > > has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town,

after

> > the

> > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an official

> > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds so

> > nice

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> > everything

> > > if

> > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of

> that

> > > one

> > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of fear

> and

> > > > still

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole

> coin.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

understanding

> > and

> > > we

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of

hope

> or

> > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear.

Hope

> > is

> > > a

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow ourselves

to

> > be

> > > > lost

> > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken

> when

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized:

(Made

> > > real)

> > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> dreamer

> > > > exists,

> > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> the 'dream'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

> logical

> > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

dreamer

> > > > exists,

> > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> the 'dream' "

> > > > >

> > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > >

> > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > >

> > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > exists "

> > > > >

> > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and the

> > dream-

> > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the

dream-

> > > being

> > > > > exists

> > > > >

> > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

awake....

> > > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and

dream-

> > being

> > > > >

> > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > > > >

> > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

existence,

> > > except

> > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity

only

> > > > >

> > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " disappear....*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > >

> > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > > coming and going....

> > > >

> > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it

isn't

> > the

> > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " do....

> > >

> > >

> > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

> >

> >

> > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as an

entity

> > with " understanding "

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> >

> I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

 

:)

 

yes....remind the message yesterday...

 

" understanding is another....nice dream "

 

so....i'm not that pretentious too...

 

Marc

>

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<dennis_travis33 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> <yohansky@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

> > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> > Kazantzakis

> > > > has

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town,

> after

> > > the

> > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an

official

> > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which sounds

so

> > > nice

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> > > everything

> > > > if

> > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like that,

> > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip on...

> > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides of

> > that

> > > > one

> > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of

fear

> > and

> > > > > still

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the whole

> > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> understanding

> > > and

> > > > we

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of

> hope

> > or

> > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is fear.

> Hope

> > > is

> > > > a

> > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow

ourselves

> to

> > > be

> > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to reawaken

> > when

> > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized:

> (Made

> > > > real)

> > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> > dreamer

> > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

> > logical

> > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> dreamer

> > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > the 'dream' "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > exists "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and

the

> > > dream-

> > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the

> dream-

> > > > being

> > > > > > exists

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

> awake....

> > > > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and

> dream-

> > > being

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being is....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

> existence,

> > > > except

> > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming entity

> only

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

disappear....*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > >

> > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > > > coming and going....

> > > > >

> > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it

> isn't

> > > the

> > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves "

do....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

> > >

> > >

> > > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as an

> entity

> > > with " understanding "

> > >

> > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

>

> :)

>

> yes....remind the message yesterday...

>

> " understanding is another....nice dream "

>

> so....i'm not that pretentious too...

>

> Marc

> >

>

It is said that there's no yesterday.

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan "

> > <yohansky@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > > > > <kailashana@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > > > > > > > <pliantheart@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

> > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am

> > > free. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes...

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave.

> > > Kazantzakis

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > buried on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town,

> > after

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Christian

> > > > > > > > > > > church

> > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an

> official

> > > > > > graveyard.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which

sounds

> so

> > > > nice

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > romantic at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally

> > > > everything

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > > taken

> > > > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like

that,

> > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip

on...

> > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still

> > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides

of

> > > that

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > coin

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of

> fear

> > > and

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > hopes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the

whole

> > > coin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand

> > understanding

> > > > and

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of

> > hope

> > > or

> > > > > > fear.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is

fear.

> > Hope

> > > > is

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow

> ourselves

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > lost

> > > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to

reawaken

> > > when

> > > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > > song

> > > > > > > > > > > ends.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding

> > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake

> > > > > > > > > > > melting.....

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > YIL,

> > > > > > > > > > > Anna

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot,

> > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized:

> > (Made

> > > > > real)

> > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> > > dreamer

> > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > the 'dream'.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its

> > > logical

> > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with .....

> > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the

> > dreamer

> > > > > > exists,

> > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and

> > > the 'dream' "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sounds interesting

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the

> > > > > dreamer " Marc "

> > > > > > > exists "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and

> the

> > > > dream-

> > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the

> > dream-

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > exists

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be

> > awake....

> > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and

> > dream-

> > > > being

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being

is....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated

> > existence,

> > > > > except

> > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming

entity

> > only

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let

> > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being.....

> > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream "

> disappear....*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again....

> > > > > > coming and going....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it

> > isn't

> > > > the

> > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves "

> do....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as an

> > entity

> > > > with " understanding "

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious.

> >

> > :)

> >

> > yes....remind the message yesterday...

> >

> > " understanding is another....nice dream "

> >

> > so....i'm not that pretentious too...

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> >

> It is said that there's no yesterday.

 

 

ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?....

 

:)

>

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