Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart wrote: > > > > ......understanding > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > melting..... > > > > > > YIL, > > > Anna > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > two very different notions of understanding. > > a reminder that a particular word does not > have a particular meaning. > > words are like clay... you can make things > out of them. > > Bill > ....a virus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth town, > > > after > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an > > official > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which > sounds > > so > > > > > nice > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally > > > > > everything > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and still > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two sides > of > > > > that > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of > > fear > > > > and > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the > whole > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand > > > understanding > > > > > and > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves of > > > hope > > > > or > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is > fear. > > > Hope > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow > > ourselves > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to > reawaken > > > > when > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have realized: > > > (Made > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to its > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean with ..... > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the > > > dreamer > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) and > > the > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as the > > > dream- > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real being....and > > > dream- > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated > > > existence, > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming > entity > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't let > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and again.... > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the ocean....it > > > isn't > > > > > the > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as an > > > entity > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > Maybe some time in future... 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I > am > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth > town, > > > > after > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an > > > official > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which > > sounds > > > so > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand literally > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be like > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and skip > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two > sides > > of > > > > > that > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free of > > > fear > > > > > and > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the > > whole > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand > > > > understanding > > > > > > and > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' ourselves > of > > > > hope > > > > > or > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is > > fear. > > > > Hope > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow > > > ourselves > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to > > reawaken > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have > realized: > > > > (Made > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as > the > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to > its > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean > with ..... > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as the > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non-dreaming) > and > > > the > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as > the > > > > dream- > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > being....and > > > > dream- > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated > > > > existence, > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming > > entity > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't > let > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and > again.... > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the > ocean....it > > > > isn't > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is moving....like " waves " > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one know > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as > an > > > > entity > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... it is said that future is Now.... 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. > I > > am > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his grave. > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth > > town, > > > > > after > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an > > > > official > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which > > > sounds > > > > so > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand > literally > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be > like > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and > skip > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two > > sides > > > of > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be free > of > > > > fear > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of the > > > whole > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' > ourselves > > of > > > > > hope > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is > > > fear. > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow > > > > ourselves > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to > > > reawaken > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have > > realized: > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as > > the > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen to > > its > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as > the > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' and > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as the > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non- dreaming) > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long as > > the > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to be > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > > being....and > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real being > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as dreaming > > > entity > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real being.....don't > > let > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and > > again.... > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the > > ocean....it > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > moving....like " waves " > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one > know > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider oneself....as > > an > > > > > entity > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > it is said that future is Now.... > Oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear > nothing. > > I > > > am > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his > grave. > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his birth > > > town, > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on an > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, which > > > > sounds > > > > > so > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand > > literally > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be > > like > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and > > skip > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day and > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the two > > > sides > > > > of > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be > free > > of > > > > > fear > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of > the > > > > whole > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' > > ourselves > > > of > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other is > > > > fear. > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to allow > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only to > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have > > > realized: > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long > as > > > the > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' > and > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been seen > to > > > its > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long as > > the > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' > and > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as > the > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non- > dreaming) > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as long > as > > > the > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and to > be > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > > > being....and > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real > being > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no individual/seperated > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as > dreaming > > > > entity > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > being.....don't > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the > > > ocean....it > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one > > know > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > oneself....as > > > an > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > Oh > Oh?.......No! what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time event? Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm not trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an answer sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? Nowadays, everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or forever, found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? ..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear > > nothing. > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his > > grave. > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his > birth > > > > town, > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place on > an > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, > which > > > > > sounds > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand > > > literally > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to be > > > like > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote and > > > skip > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day > and > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the > two > > > > sides > > > > > of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be > > free > > > of > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid of > > the > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to understand > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' > > > ourselves > > > > of > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the other > is > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to > allow > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only > to > > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have > > > > realized: > > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' > > and > > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been > seen > > to > > > > its > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean > > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as long > as > > > the > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects of 'dreaming' > > and > > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long as > > the > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non- > > dreaming) > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as > long > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and > to > > be > > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > > > > being....and > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real > > being > > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no > individual/seperated > > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as > > dreaming > > > > > entity > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > > being.....don't > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless > times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " > > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the > > > > ocean....it > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would one > > > know > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > > oneself....as > > > > an > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > > > Oh > > > > Oh?.......No! > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time event? > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm not > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an answer > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? Nowadays, > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or forever, > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > ..bob > (in the past of this present time of your reading the above) > Oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear > > > nothing. > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on his > > > grave. > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his > > birth > > > > > town, > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place > on > > an > > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, > > which > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand > > > > literally > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem to > be > > > > like > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great-quote > and > > > > skip > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a day > > and > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are the > > two > > > > > sides > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot be > > > free > > > > of > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get rid > of > > > the > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to > understand > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' > > > > ourselves > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the > other > > is > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to > > allow > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, only > > to > > > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice > dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I have > > > > > realized: > > > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as > long > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > of 'dreaming' > > > and > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been > > seen > > > to > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you mean > > > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as > long > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > of 'dreaming' > > > and > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as long > as > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non- > > > dreaming) > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as > > long > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between sleeping....and > > to > > > be > > > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > > > > > being....and > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " real > > > being > > > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no > > individual/seperated > > > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as > > > dreaming > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > > > being.....don't > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless > > times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real being.... " dream " > > > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again and > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the > > > > > ocean....it > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would > one > > > > know > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > > > oneself....as > > > > > an > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > Oh?.......No! > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time > event? > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm not > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an answer > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? Nowadays, > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or > forever, > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > > > ..bob > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the above) > > > > > Oh > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear > > > > nothing. > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these > quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on > his > > > > grave. > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his > > > birth > > > > > > town, > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place > > on > > > an > > > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, > > > which > > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand > > > > > literally > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem > to > > be > > > > > like > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great- quote > > and > > > > > skip > > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a > day > > > and > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are > the > > > two > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot > be > > > > free > > > > > of > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get > rid > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to > > understand > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the > > other > > > is > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to > > > allow > > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, > only > > > to > > > > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice > > dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I > have > > > > > > realized: > > > > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as > > long > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > of 'dreaming' > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been > > > seen > > > > to > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you > mean > > > > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as > > long > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > of 'dreaming' > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as > long > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non- > > > > dreaming) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as > > > long > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between > sleeping....and > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > > > > > > being....and > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " > real > > > > being > > > > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no > > > individual/seperated > > > > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as > > > > dreaming > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > > > > being.....don't > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless > > > times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real > being.... " dream " > > > > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again > and > > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the > > > > > > ocean....it > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > > > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would > > one > > > > > know > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > > > > oneself....as > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > > > > Oh?.......No! > > > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time > > event? > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm > not > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an > answer > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? > Nowadays, > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or > > forever, > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > > > > > ..bob > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the > above) > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro Ps: Oh?.......No! > > > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time > > event? > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm > not > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an > answer > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? > Nowadays, > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or > > forever, > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > > > > > ..bob > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the > above) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear > > > > nothing. > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these > quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on > his > > > > grave. > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, his > > > birth > > > > > > town, > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a place > > on > > > an > > > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this quote, > > > which > > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can demand > > > > > literally > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem > to > > be > > > > > like > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great- quote > > and > > > > > skip > > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a > day > > > and > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are > the > > > two > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We cannot > be > > > > free > > > > > of > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get > rid > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to > > understand > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying to 'rid' > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the > > other > > > is > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: to > > > allow > > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, > only > > > to > > > > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice > > dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I > have > > > > > > realized: > > > > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as > > long > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > of 'dreaming' > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has been > > > seen > > > > to > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you > mean > > > > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as > > long > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > of 'dreaming' > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as > long > > as > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non- > > > > dreaming) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real therefore.....as > > > long > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between > sleeping....and > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > > > > > > being....and > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " > real > > > > being > > > > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no > > > individual/seperated > > > > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as > > > > dreaming > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > > > > being.....don't > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless > > > times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real > being.... " dream " > > > > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again > and > > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of the > > > > > > ocean....it > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > > > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how would > > one > > > > > know > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > > > > oneself....as > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > > > > Oh?.......No! > > > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time > > event? > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. I'm > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm > not > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an > answer > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? > Nowadays, > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or > > forever, > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > > > > > ..bob > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the > above) > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro > Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 < two very different notions of understanding. < a reminder that a particular word does not < have a particular meaning. < words are like clay... you can make things < out of them. < Bill Perhaps a word (any word, or any thing) is inherently void of any meaning until one is assigned to it. Perhaps there's no such thing as a " word " until one says it is by speaking it into existence. So, my life and life is absolutely meaningless. And it doesn't mean anything that it's meaningless. As a result, in the " space " (i.e., no-thingness) that reveals itself via that realization one can invent a new way of being in life . Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I fear > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these > > quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written on > > his > > > > > grave. > > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, > his > > > > birth > > > > > > > town, > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a > place > > > on > > > > an > > > > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this > quote, > > > > which > > > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can > demand > > > > > > literally > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general seem > > to > > > be > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great- > quote > > > and > > > > > > skip > > > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend a > > day > > > > and > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear are > > the > > > > two > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We > cannot > > be > > > > > free > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we get > > rid > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying > to 'rid' > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin the > > > other > > > > is > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: > to > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of Life, > > only > > > > to > > > > > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice > > > dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I > > have > > > > > > > realized: > > > > > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna > as > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > > of 'dreaming' > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has > been > > > > seen > > > > > to > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you > > mean > > > > > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna as > > > long > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > > of 'dreaming' > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following > statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as > > long > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being (non- > > > > > dreaming) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real > therefore.....as > > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between > > sleeping....and > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between real > > > > > > > being....and > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find out.... " who/what " > > real > > > > > being > > > > > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no > > > > individual/seperated > > > > > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified as > > > > > dreaming > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > > > > > being.....don't > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for endless > > > > times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real > > being.... " dream " > > > > > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again > > and > > > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of > the > > > > > > > ocean....it > > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > > > > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how > would > > > one > > > > > > know > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > > > > > oneself....as > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh?.......No! > > > > > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time > > > event? > > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. > I'm > > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, Now.....I'm > > not > > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an > > answer > > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? > > Nowadays, > > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of real > > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or > > > forever, > > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the > > above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro > > > Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the > above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth? > :-) .......wellllllllllll.... 'bob' is the sole survivor of Gotterdammerung. in the Twilight of the Gods, at the appointed time of the Ragnarok.....he alone found himself appearing as the myth of truth and the godly, from the vaporous battle wherin 'Evil " thought itself triumphant. and NOW....yes THE 'NOW': " Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound! " " Look! Up in the sky! " " It's a bird! " " It's a plane! " " It's - bob! " " Yes, it's bob - strange visitor from another planet who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. bob! Who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his bare hands, and who, disguised as roberibus111, mild-mannered reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper and gentle poster to a called Nisargadatta, fights a never-ending battle for Truth, Justice, and the American Way! Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " . Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " . there! I've said it again.....so maybe it's not all over.....YET! and that's the truth, plus I have some beautiful ocean front property in Arizona that I'm selling first come, first serve......sight unseen, to any lucky bidders today. let the games...er..bidding, begin! .......bob p.s. when is 'it' yet? and when 'it' is 'yet', is there 'yet' more to come?....nah that was yesterdays news.....but tomorrow, tomorrow..... (I just Love that tune!) (bn) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I > fear > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these > > > quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written > on > > > his > > > > > > grave. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of Heraklion, > > his > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > town, > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a > > place > > > > on > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this > > quote, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can > > demand > > > > > > > literally > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general > seem > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya-great- > > quote > > > > and > > > > > > > skip > > > > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could spend > a > > > day > > > > > and > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear > are > > > the > > > > > two > > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We > > cannot > > > be > > > > > > free > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we > get > > > rid > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying > > to 'rid' > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin > the > > > > other > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great price: > > to > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of > Life, > > > only > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice > > > > dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much I > > > have > > > > > > > > realized: > > > > > > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna > > as > > > > long > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > > > of 'dreaming' > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however has > > been > > > > > seen > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what you > > > mean > > > > > > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as Anna > as > > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > > > of 'dreaming' > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following > > statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens as > > > long > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being > (non- > > > > > > dreaming) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real > > therefore.....as > > > > > long > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between > > > sleeping....and > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between > real > > > > > > > > being....and > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find > out.... " who/what " > > > real > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no > > > > > individual/seperated > > > > > > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be identified > as > > > > > > dreaming > > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > > > > > > being.....don't > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for > endless > > > > > times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real being..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real > > > being.... " dream " > > > > > > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again > > > and > > > > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature of > > the > > > > > > > > ocean....it > > > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > > > > > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how > > would > > > > one > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > > > > > > oneself....as > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh?.......No! > > > > > > > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night time > > > > event? > > > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this message. > > I'm > > > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > > > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, > Now.....I'm > > > not > > > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an > > > answer > > > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? > > > Nowadays, > > > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of > real > > > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, or > > > > forever, > > > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading the > > > above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro > > > > > Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the > > above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth? > > > > :-) > .......wellllllllllll.... > > 'bob' is the sole survivor of Gotterdammerung. in the Twilight of the > Gods, at the appointed time of the Ragnarok.....he alone found > himself appearing as the myth of truth and the godly, from the > vaporous battle wherin 'Evil " thought itself triumphant. and > NOW....yes THE 'NOW': > > " Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a locomotive! > Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound! " > " Look! Up in the sky! " " It's a bird! " > " It's a plane! " > " It's - bob! " > > " Yes, it's bob - strange visitor from another planet who came to > Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. > bob! Who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his > bare hands, and who, disguised as roberibus111, mild-mannered > reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper and gentle poster to a > called Nisargadatta, fights a never-ending battle for > Truth, Justice, and the American Way! > > Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " . > > Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " . > > there! I've said it again.....so maybe it's not all over.....YET! > > > and that's the truth, plus I have some beautiful ocean front property > in Arizona that I'm selling first come, first serve......sight > unseen, to any lucky bidders today. let the games...er..bidding, > begin! > > .......bob > > p.s. when is 'it' yet? and when 'it' is 'yet', is there 'yet' more to > come?....nah that was yesterdays news.....but tomorrow, tomorrow..... > (I just Love that tune!) > (bn) > I imagine that your colony of mythical entities, following you all the way to this planet, was as successful as you could have hoped for. Be assured , it made us happy. Enough cheerful not to overlook the unicorns and other gargoyles that deserved our devotion, with much religious fervour more than we had anticipated. We discovered that much of your journey with your colourfull party was a vague memory of our own past that started God-Knows-When. Anyway, since Goya started painting the records, with the haste of desperation, we descended to complacent-like grazing cattle. For centuries of unsuccessful spoon bending and sitting cross legged as comfortable as we thought we needed to be, we have been praying for the coming of BOB, Son of Uhri Geller. There was no reason to keep in touch with the centre of the Earth, no motivation to keep the machinery going. All we did was keeping an eye in the sky for that plane or mighty bird that BOB might be and sit at his feet. I would have cursed if it hadn't been for the dragons. BOB in disguise - Let the show begin… We love you BOB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <pliantheart@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <s.petersilge@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> " I hope for nothing. I > > fear > > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > free. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting these > > > > quotes... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this above one is written > > on > > > > his > > > > > > > grave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kazantzakis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buried on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the city wall of > Heraklion, > > > his > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > town, > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had refused to give him a > > > place > > > > > on > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > official > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graveyard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often think about this > > > quote, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > sounds > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > romantic at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first moment but can > > > demand > > > > > > > > literally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best quotes in general > > seem > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very easy to go ya-ya- great- > > > quote > > > > > and > > > > > > > > skip > > > > > > > > > > on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in truth one could > spend > > a > > > > day > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not digest it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think... hope and fear > > are > > > > the > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeps us in bondage. We > > > cannot > > > > be > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not free until we > > get > > > > rid > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Bill and Stefan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imo, it takes a lifetime to > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never 'free' while trying > > > to 'rid' > > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love is one side of the coin > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tosses the coin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freedom comes at a great > price: > > > to > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and again in this Dance of > > Life, > > > > only > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > reawaken > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a perfect snowflake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > melting..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YIL, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is like a carrot, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoping one day you might get it > > > right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is another.....nice > > > > > dream.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this much is true for me, this much > I > > > > have > > > > > > > > > realized: > > > > > > > > > > > > (Made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as > Anna > > > as > > > > > long > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > > > > of 'dreaming' > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dream of separation, however > has > > > been > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > logical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't know if i understand/see what > you > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > with ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of 'Anna' reawakens as > Anna > > as > > > > > long > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding ever more aspects > > > > > of 'dreaming' > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'dream' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds interesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it let my think of the following > > > statements: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the dream of being " Marc " reawakens > as > > > > long > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dreamer " Marc " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " seperation " between real being > > (non- > > > > > > > dreaming) > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being, i think.....is real > > > therefore.....as > > > > > > long > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference between > > > > sleeping....and > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > awake.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a difference too....between > > real > > > > > > > > > being....and > > > > > > > > > > > > dream- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's all about to find > > out.... " who/what " > > > > real > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > is.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so the " dreamer " , who has no > > > > > > individual/seperated > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the dream.....need to be > identified > > as > > > > > > > dreaming > > > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is no big deal....because real > > > > > > > being.....don't > > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything/anybody " dream " .....for > > endless > > > > > > times.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dream " exist because of real > being..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and also because of real > > > > being.... " dream " > > > > > > > > > > > disappear....* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * like waves on the deep ocean..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving....changing....transformed.....again > > > > and > > > > > > > > > again.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming and going.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if a " wave " understand the nature > of > > > the > > > > > > > > > ocean....it > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ocean......as long the " wave " is > > > > > > > > moving....like " waves " > > > > > > > > > > > do.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a wave that understands, how > > > would > > > > > one > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one would know it.....if one would consider > > > > > > > oneself....as > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > entity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with " understanding " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not that pretentious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....remind the message yesterday... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " understanding is another....nice dream " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so....i'm not that pretentious too... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that there's no yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah....a freak of the fabuloes NOW....?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe some time in future... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is said that future is Now.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh?.......No! > > > > > > > > > > > > what time of day does 'Now' show up? or is 'Now' a night > time > > > > > event? > > > > > > Now don't keep me waiting in the future past of this > message. > > > I'm > > > > > > going to hit send at any moment and we're burning daylight > > > > > > here........and 'Now', whenever it gets here. Now, > > Now.....I'm > > > > not > > > > > > trying to reach into the past of this discussion, I want an > > > > answer > > > > > > sometime in the future, when this is past, as to Now. OK? > > > > Nowadays, > > > > > > everybody wants everything immediately, in the present of > > real > > > > > > time.......me too......but where is 'Now' ever, or never, > or > > > > > forever, > > > > > > found.....what's it founded upon.......and why? > > > > > > > > > > > > ..bob > > > > > > (in the past of this present time of your reading > the > > > > above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh > > > > > > > > > So......Soho........No Mo......Go Bro > > > > > > > Is '..bob (in the past of this present time of your reading the > > > above)' alive, or is He Founded Upon A Myth? > > > > > > > :-) > > .......wellllllllllll.... > > > > 'bob' is the sole survivor of Gotterdammerung. in the Twilight of > the > > Gods, at the appointed time of the Ragnarok.....he alone found > > himself appearing as the myth of truth and the godly, from the > > vaporous battle wherin 'Evil " thought itself triumphant. and > > NOW....yes THE 'NOW': > > > > " Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a locomotive! > > Able to leap tall buildings at a single bound! " > > " Look! Up in the sky! " " It's a bird! " > > " It's a plane! " > > " It's - bob! " > > > > " Yes, it's bob - strange visitor from another planet who came to > > Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. > > bob! Who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his > > bare hands, and who, disguised as roberibus111, mild-mannered > > reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper and gentle poster to a > > called Nisargadatta, fights a never-ending battle for > > Truth, Justice, and the American Way! > > > > Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " . > > > > Now of course, that was 'Now', but " It's all over now " . > > > > there! I've said it again.....so maybe it's not all over.....YET! > > > > > > and that's the truth, plus I have some beautiful ocean front > property > > in Arizona that I'm selling first come, first serve......sight > > unseen, to any lucky bidders today. let the games...er..bidding, > > begin! > > > > .......bob > > > > p.s. when is 'it' yet? and when 'it' is 'yet', is there 'yet' more > to > > come?....nah that was yesterdays news.....but tomorrow, > tomorrow..... > > (I just Love that tune!) > > (bn) > > > I imagine that your colony of mythical entities, following you all > the way to this planet, was as successful as you could have hoped > for. Be assured , it made us happy. Enough cheerful not to overlook > the unicorns and other gargoyles that deserved our devotion, with > much religious fervour more than we had anticipated. We discovered > that much of your journey with your colourfull party was a vague > memory of our own past that started God-Knows-When. > > Anyway, since Goya started painting the records, with the haste of > desperation, we descended to complacent-like grazing cattle. For > centuries of unsuccessful spoon bending and sitting cross legged as > comfortable as we thought we needed to be, we have been praying for > the coming of BOB, Son of Uhri Geller. > > There was no reason to keep in touch with the centre of the Earth, no > motivation to keep the machinery going. All we did was keeping an eye > in the sky for that plane or mighty bird that BOB might be and sit at > his feet. I would have cursed if it hadn't been for the dragons. > BOB in disguise - Let the show begin… > > We love you BOB! > well now thank ya......thank ya very much! bob loves me too. .........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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