Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 On Aug 17, 2006, at 1:42 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > I have been moderated and banned on several lists, what does it mean > to me? How well do I take rejection? How do I see those who > moderate and ban me? How do the folks on the lists feel after I am > gone? > > Let me tell you, any rejection 'hurts' and the ultimate rejection > that is occurring in the world is a killing war. > > Anna Dear Annushka, Let's discuss aggression, and hurt. Both are indispensable for the survival of the body. Feeling pain alerts you to life threatening situations. Getting angry and being aggressive helps you fight and survive. But you are not only flesh, you also have an ideational body constructed by language. This ghostly body, this persona, also tries to protect itself by feeling hurt and being aggressive. All this mental suffering is unnecessary. These lists are ideal to teach people how to manage that hurt and anger caused by words. But most people are so immerse in their persona that they automatically react again and again when verbally attacked. If instead of wasting energy in attacking the attacker, they will look at the verbal scaffolding producing the hurt, they will see it is all an illusion created by words. Seeing that is a freeing insight that will defuse most future mental pain. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Aug 17, 2006, at 1:42 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > I have been moderated and banned on several lists, what does it mean > > to me? How well do I take rejection? How do I see those who > > moderate and ban me? How do the folks on the lists feel after I am > > gone? > > > > Let me tell you, any rejection 'hurts' and the ultimate rejection > > that is occurring in the world is a killing war. > > > > Anna > > Dear Annushka, > > Let's discuss aggression, and hurt. > Both are indispensable for the survival > of the body. Feeling pain alerts you to > life threatening situations. Getting angry > and being aggressive helps you fight and > survive. But you are not only flesh, you > also have an ideational body constructed > by language. This ghostly body, this persona, > also tries to protect itself by feeling hurt and > being aggressive. All this mental suffering is > unnecessary. These lists are ideal to teach people > how to manage that hurt and anger caused by > words. But most people are so immerse in their > persona that they automatically react again and > again when verbally attacked. > > If instead of wasting energy in attacking the > attacker, they will look at the verbal scaffolding > producing the hurt, they will see it is all an > illusion created by words. Seeing that is a > freeing insight that will defuse most future > mental pain. > > Pete > > is that what you yourself do? there are those who would be very skeptical that you do .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 17, 2006, at 1:42 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > > I have been moderated and banned on several lists, what does it mean > > > to me? How well do I take rejection? How do I see those who > > > moderate and ban me? How do the folks on the lists feel after I am > > > gone? > > > > > > Let me tell you, any rejection 'hurts' and the ultimate rejection > > > that is occurring in the world is a killing war. > > > > > > Anna > > > > Dear Annushka, > > > > Let's discuss aggression, and hurt. > > Both are indispensable for the survival > > of the body. Feeling pain alerts you to > > life threatening situations. Getting angry > > and being aggressive helps you fight and > > survive. But you are not only flesh, you > > also have an ideational body constructed > > by language. This ghostly body, this persona, > > also tries to protect itself by feeling hurt and > > being aggressive. All this mental suffering is > > unnecessary. These lists are ideal to teach people > > how to manage that hurt and anger caused by > > words. But most people are so immerse in their > > persona that they automatically react again and > > again when verbally attacked. > > > > If instead of wasting energy in attacking the > > attacker, they will look at the verbal scaffolding > > producing the hurt, they will see it is all an > > illusion created by words. Seeing that is a > > freeing insight that will defuse most future > > mental pain. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > is that what you yourself do? > > there are those who would be > > very skeptical that you do The same conversation is going on at GURU, tune in.... Suffice it to say, as a practicing human, I can and do get hurt;-) As a practicing non-dualist I know Pete is here to test the weakest link in our spiritual armor. Or that's the way the character of Anna sees it. And don't be telling me anything to disillusion me now;-)!!!! Hugs to All, Anna > > > > > > > > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 17, 2006, at 1:42 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > > > > > I have been moderated and banned on several lists, what does > it mean > > > > to me? How well do I take rejection? How do I see those who > > > > moderate and ban me? How do the folks on the lists feel after > I am > > > > gone? > > > > > > > > Let me tell you, any rejection 'hurts' and the ultimate > rejection > > > > that is occurring in the world is a killing war. > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > Dear Annushka, > > > > > > Let's discuss aggression, and hurt. > > > Both are indispensable for the survival > > > of the body. Feeling pain alerts you to > > > life threatening situations. Getting angry > > > and being aggressive helps you fight and > > > survive. But you are not only flesh, you > > > also have an ideational body constructed > > > by language. This ghostly body, this persona, > > > also tries to protect itself by feeling hurt and > > > being aggressive. All this mental suffering is > > > unnecessary. These lists are ideal to teach people > > > how to manage that hurt and anger caused by > > > words. But most people are so immerse in their > > > persona that they automatically react again and > > > again when verbally attacked. > > > > > > If instead of wasting energy in attacking the > > > attacker, they will look at the verbal scaffolding > > > producing the hurt, they will see it is all an > > > illusion created by words. Seeing that is a > > > freeing insight that will defuse most future > > > mental pain. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is that what you yourself do? > > > > there are those who would be > > > > very skeptical that you do > > > The same conversation is going on at GURU, tune in.... > > Suffice it to say, as a practicing human, I can and do get hurt;-) > > As a practicing non-dualist I know Pete is here to test the weakest > link in our spiritual armor. > > Or that's the way the character of Anna sees it. And don't be > telling me anything to disillusion me now;-)!!!! > > Hugs to All, > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > out of compassion for pete, and you as pete, me as pete, wouldn't it be truer to see him as a witness, rather than as an object with an objective ie, to try others seems as though he himself sees himself as such a mere cog, method, means to an end (even if that end is sublime still, a pawn thus, the numbness: a numbness that can only lead to savagery) .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 On Aug 17, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: > Dear Annushka, > > > > Let's discuss aggression, and hurt. > > Both are indispensable for the survival > > of the body. Feeling pain alerts you to > > life threatening situations. Getting angry > > and being aggressive helps you fight and > > survive. But you are not only flesh, you > > also have an ideational body constructed > > by language. This ghostly body, this persona, > > also tries to protect itself by feeling hurt and > > being aggressive. All this mental suffering is > > unnecessary. These lists are ideal to teach people > > how to manage that hurt and anger caused by > > words. But most people are so immerse in their > > persona that they automatically react again and > > again when verbally attacked. > > > > If instead of wasting energy in attacking the > > attacker, they will look at the verbal scaffolding > > producing the hurt, they will see it is all an > > illusion created by words. Seeing that is a > > freeing insight that will defuse most future > > mental pain. > > > > Pete > > Sk: is that what you yourself do? > P: I notice you're more interesting in me than in the subject. That is a sign you haven't examined the verbal scaffolding properly, but to satisfy your idle curiosity, yes I did, and do. I find interesting how when reading an email certain feelings of pleasure, or distaste arise, how quickly the mind colors what it is reading now with what it had felt or thought about the imagined writer before. How quickly we forget that those are just words on a screen and not a conversation with someone we personally know . This mindfulness about how printed words evoke feelings and thoughts in us is very illuminating. > SK: there are those who would be > very skeptical that you do P: Should I be concerned about that? > > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Aug 17, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > > Dear Annushka, > > > > > > Let's discuss aggression, and hurt. > > > Both are indispensable for the survival > > > of the body. Feeling pain alerts you to > > > life threatening situations. Getting angry > > > and being aggressive helps you fight and > > > survive. But you are not only flesh, you > > > also have an ideational body constructed > > > by language. This ghostly body, this persona, > > > also tries to protect itself by feeling hurt and > > > being aggressive. All this mental suffering is > > > unnecessary. These lists are ideal to teach people > > > how to manage that hurt and anger caused by > > > words. But most people are so immerse in their > > > persona that they automatically react again and > > > again when verbally attacked. > > > > > > If instead of wasting energy in attacking the > > > attacker, they will look at the verbal scaffolding > > > producing the hurt, they will see it is all an > > > illusion created by words. Seeing that is a > > > freeing insight that will defuse most future > > > mental pain. > > > > > > Pete > > > > Sk: is that what you yourself do? > > > P: I notice you're more interesting in me > than in the subject. That is a sign you haven't > examined the verbal scaffolding properly, > but to satisfy your idle curiosity, yes I did, > and do. Sky: Pete, are you aware that you just responded to my attack with your own attack? Thus, I don't believe you've really done the following: " If instead of wasting energy in attacking the > > > attacker, they will look at the verbal scaffolding > > > producing the hurt " I find interesting how when reading > an email certain feelings of pleasure, or distaste > arise, how quickly the mind colors what it is reading > now with what it had felt or thought about the > imagined writer before. How quickly we forget that those > are just words on a screen and not a conversation > with someone we personally know . This mindfulness > about how printed words evoke feelings and thoughts > in us is very illuminating. > > > SK: there are those who would be > > very skeptical that you do > > P: Should I be concerned about that? Sky: I'm saying that you can't help but be concerned about that, no matter how hard you insist that it's just scaffolding. The fact is that these words represent not only another real live breathing human being, they represent you, yourself, in your totality, especially, most emphatically, your feelings. > > > > > > > > > ... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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