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> Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

> <skywords

> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> <pliantheart@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

> <skywords@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta ,

> " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > What higher approval can I offer?

> > > >

> > > > sky

> > > > ~*~

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > >

> > > > you talk about " approval " as though it

> mattered.

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > that's right.

> > >

> > > as if it didn't.

> > >

> > > as if you didn't.

> > >

> > > as if boundaries, flaming and approval

> > >

> > > weren't all mutually inclusive.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > and, as I will continually repeat:

> > >

> > >

> > > there's no buddha in numbness.

> > >

> > >

> > > no buddha in solipsism.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > and certainly no " freshness "

> > >

> > >

> > > in what you just said.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry.

> > >

> > >

> > > Although I do approve of

> > >

> > > your words at other times.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > But feigned indifference

> > >

> > > is definitely pseudo spiritual

> > >

> > > and banally cavalier

> > >

> > > if not just typically

> > >

> > > macho.

> >

> > I'm just saying that the very notion

> > of " approving " of someone or their words

> > strikes me as odd. It implies (to me) a

> > psychology of concern about the approval

> > of others.

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

>

> And I'm just saying that the very notion

>

> that you yourself continue

>

> to insist that you aren't even aware

>

> of how completely influenced you yourself are

>

> by whether others " approve " or " disapprove " of you

>

> is incredible

>

>

>

> You are constantly offering both approval

>

> and disapproval

>

>

> And vehemently so.

>

>

>

> And yet you claim to be

>

> unaware of this?

>

>

> Unaware of how important

>

> others' opinions are to you?

>

>

> This is the kind of thing

>

> that makes me think you

>

> might be on meds.

>

>

>

> But, again, I mean

>

> no offense because I'm

>

> being honest. It is insensitive of me.

>

> But you claim not to care, don't you?

>

> And yet you set boundaries?

>

>

>

> My incredulity is

>

> really my weakness

>

>

> I'm in some kind of denial

>

>

> Why can't I comprehend this?

>

>

> I remember the expression,

>

> " too tough to care. "

>

>

> But, in effect, coming from someone

>

> who claims to have compassion...?

>

>

> Oh, hmm, maybe you're just too busy

>

> to really think about it. Yes, I'm sure that

>

> must be it.

>

>

>

> OK, I get it.

>

 

 

Sky,

 

This is an appeal to compassion, if not, then your

formidable intellect.

 

From what I have observed of your writing I think you

must be aware that sometimes boundaries are necessary

for people to function, at least at certain stages of

their lives. This is a very individual thing, no

doubt you realize.

 

Some people can take well-intended confrontation and

perhaps drop their boundaries moving into more

productive and complete lives. Others cannot and may

fall into complete disorganization. Some never

recover.

 

Think!

 

For the record I am not implying Bill is someone who

may fall into disorganization. The fact is no one

knows. Compassion!

 

Noel

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote:

>

> > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

> > <skywords@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart "

> > <pliantheart@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

> > <skywords@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > " pliantheart " <pliantheart@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > What higher approval can I offer?

> > > > >

> > > > > sky

> > > > > ~*~

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > you talk about " approval " as though it

> > mattered.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > that's right.

> > > >

> > > > as if it didn't.

> > > >

> > > > as if you didn't.

> > > >

> > > > as if boundaries, flaming and approval

> > > >

> > > > weren't all mutually inclusive.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > and, as I will continually repeat:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > there's no buddha in numbness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > no buddha in solipsism.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > and certainly no " freshness "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > in what you just said.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sorry.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Although I do approve of

> > > >

> > > > your words at other times.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > But feigned indifference

> > > >

> > > > is definitely pseudo spiritual

> > > >

> > > > and banally cavalier

> > > >

> > > > if not just typically

> > > >

> > > > macho.

> > >

> > > I'm just saying that the very notion

> > > of " approving " of someone or their words

> > > strikes me as odd. It implies (to me) a

> > > psychology of concern about the approval

> > > of others.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> >

> > And I'm just saying that the very notion

> >

> > that you yourself continue

> >

> > to insist that you aren't even aware

> >

> > of how completely influenced you yourself are

> >

> > by whether others " approve " or " disapprove " of you

> >

> > is incredible

> >

> >

> >

> > You are constantly offering both approval

> >

> > and disapproval

> >

> >

> > And vehemently so.

> >

> >

> >

> > And yet you claim to be

> >

> > unaware of this?

> >

> >

> > Unaware of how important

> >

> > others' opinions are to you?

> >

> >

> > This is the kind of thing

> >

> > that makes me think you

> >

> > might be on meds.

> >

> >

> >

> > But, again, I mean

> >

> > no offense because I'm

> >

> > being honest. It is insensitive of me.

> >

> > But you claim not to care, don't you?

> >

> > And yet you set boundaries?

> >

> >

> >

> > My incredulity is

> >

> > really my weakness

> >

> >

> > I'm in some kind of denial

> >

> >

> > Why can't I comprehend this?

> >

> >

> > I remember the expression,

> >

> > " too tough to care. "

> >

> >

> > But, in effect, coming from someone

> >

> > who claims to have compassion...?

> >

> >

> > Oh, hmm, maybe you're just too busy

> >

> > to really think about it. Yes, I'm sure that

> >

> > must be it.

> >

> >

> >

> > OK, I get it.

> >

>

>

> Sky,

>

> This is an appeal to compassion, if not, then your

> formidable intellect.

>

> From what I have observed of your writing I think you

> must be aware that sometimes boundaries are necessary

> for people to function, at least at certain stages of

> their lives. This is a very individual thing, no

> doubt you realize.

>

> Some people can take well-intended confrontation and

> perhaps drop their boundaries moving into more

> productive and complete lives. Others cannot and may

> fall into complete disorganization. Some never

> recover.

>

> Think!

>

> For the record I am not implying Bill is someone who

> may fall into disorganization. The fact is no one

> knows. Compassion!

>

> Noel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're a very good man, Noel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sky

~*~

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