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Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

 

Then you will abide in the

ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth and the fear of

death.

 

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Nisargadatta: The final stage of meditation is reached when the sense of

identity goes beyond the 'I-am-so-and-so', beyond 'so-I-am', beyond

'I-am-the-witness-only', beyond 'there-is', beyond all ideas into the

impersonally personal pure being.

 

Era

 

ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " Niz's impersonally personal

pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of Brahman]

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When Ramana Maharshi's mother fell ill, He wrote a 5 stanza bhajan on Lord

Arunachala. If He completely confined to self only and said that self is Lord,

then He can cure his mother. What is the necessity of praying for Lord

arunachala? How do you interpret this?

 

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

surya

http://www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote:

 

Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

 

Then you will abide in the

ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth and the fear of

death.

 

Era

 

ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " Niz's impersonally personal

pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of Brahman]

 

 

.

 

 

 

 

 

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prakki surya <dattapr2000 >

> When Ramana Maharshi's mother fell ill, He wrote a 5 stanza bhajan on Lord

Arunachala. What is the necessity of praying for Lord arunachala? How do you

interpret this?

>

 

Ramana wrote bhajans as he was a poet, he lived inside Arunachala, he is known

as the Sage of Arunachala, he experienced Siva there.

 

Surya, you are fascinated by rituals, miracles, symbolic stories, genesis

stories, I'm not. I focus on the MESSAGE of saints, not on their stories.

Ramana's message is: " Find out where-from thoughts emerge. Then you will abide

in the ever-present inner-most Self "

 

Advaitins are looking for God inside, what he called the " Self " thus find a

NONDUAL reality, mindset. OTOH you are looking for God on the outside, what is a

Davita story

 

Investing too heavily in the concept of Iswara tends to replace the idea of

oneself with the idea of another self without realisation. I'm not saying it is

wrong to worship Iswara but it is only a step, that can be jumped over by 'Who

am I?' [Ramana] Going to the inside instead of the outside

 

 

> Era Molnar <n0ndual >

 

> Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

>

> Then you will abide in the

> ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth and the fear

of death.

>

> Era

>

> ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " **Niz's impersonally

personal pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of Brahman]

 

Nisargadatta's message is also referring to the inside: " I Am That "

 

 

 

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Dearest One,

 

Is it useless to go to the mounain when the mountain is I Am/Us?

 

Ramana's prayer, his mother, her illness, your question, Era's

posting, these words I write now, all is/we are the endless delight

of the cosmos delighting in our seeking, in our finding, in our

aloneness and in our Being One with an infinity ever just beyond our

immediate awareness: the cloud of unknowing, our breath high

Arunachala, gathering rocks and stones to tie thoughts together that

give wings to unseen words written on a cool and placid mountain

lake I Am.

 

YIL,

Anna

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000

wrote:

>

> When Ramana Maharshi's mother fell ill, He wrote a 5 stanza bhajan

on Lord Arunachala. If He completely confined to self only and said

that self is Lord, then He can cure his mother. What is the

necessity of praying for Lord arunachala? How do you interpret this?

>

> At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> surya

> http://www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

> Era Molnar <n0ndual wrote:

>

> Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

>

> Then you will abide in the

> ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth

and the fear of death.

>

> Era

>

> ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " Niz's

impersonally personal pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of

Brahman]

>

>

> .

>

>

>

>

>

> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote:

>

>

> prakki surya <dattapr2000@> >

> > When Ramana Maharshi's mother fell ill, He wrote a 5 stanza

bhajan on Lord Arunachala. What is the necessity of praying for Lord

arunachala? How do you interpret this?

> >

>

> Ramana wrote bhajans as he was a poet, he lived inside Arunachala,

he is known as the Sage of Arunachala, he experienced Siva there.

>

> Surya, you are fascinated by rituals, miracles, symbolic stories,

genesis stories, I'm not. I focus on the MESSAGE of saints, not on

their stories. Ramana's message is: " Find out where-from thoughts

emerge. Then you will abide in the ever-present inner-most Self "

>

> Advaitins are looking for God inside, what he called the " Self "

thus find a NONDUAL reality, mindset. OTOH you are looking for God on

the outside, what is a Davita story

>

 

Inside? Outside?.....of what? what is the demarcation zone? if the

Self is One......and 'I' believe 'this'......what can be inside or

outside of the Only? is it not 'All' and 'Everything', the One

without second?......

do 'inside', 'outside', 'above', 'below', 'along side of', etc have

any meaning to the Self? God aka the Void, the Self, Atman/Brahma,

whatever..must be niether inside nor outside nor niether nor

both.....those are all strictly and only words with relative meaning

and actually ALL of them are true with respect to THAT of which,

Ramana, Niz, Jesus, Buddha......all the big boys and girls of el

Camino Real referred.

 

 

> Investing too heavily in the concept of Iswara tends to replace the

idea of oneself with the idea of another self without realisation.

I'm not saying it is wrong to worship Iswara but it is only a step,

that can be jumped over by 'Who am I?' [Ramana] Going to the inside

instead of the outside

 

 

there are no steps to where one already and always abides.

 

........bob

ps....there is another fascination called 'captivation of

concept'....it's enthralling stuff...but that's all it

is.......more 'stuff'. nothing more enlightening about it than pagan

ritual. whatever realizes is 'realizing'......whatever

conceals.....'conceals'.......period. nobody is 'right', nobody

is 'wrong'..... 'nobody' 'is'....... the only true 'fact'.

 

(bn)

 

 

nnb

 

 

> > Era Molnar <n0ndual@> >

>

> > Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

> >

> > Then you will abide in the

> > ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth

and the fear of death.

> >

> > Era

> >

> > ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " **Niz's

impersonally personal pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of

Brahman]

>

> Nisargadatta's message is also referring to the inside: " I Am That "

>

>

>

> .

>

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Dearest One,

>

> Is it useless to go to the mounain when the mountain is I Am/Us?

>

> Ramana's prayer, his mother, her illness, your question, Era's

> posting, these words I write now, all is/we are the endless delight

> of the cosmos delighting in our seeking, in our finding, in our

> aloneness and in our Being One with an infinity ever just beyond our

> immediate awareness: the cloud of unknowing, our breath high

> Arunachala, gathering rocks and stones to tie thoughts together that

> give wings to unseen words written on a cool and placid mountain

> lake I Am.

>

> YIL,

> Anna

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@>

> wrote:

> >

> > When Ramana Maharshi's mother fell ill, He wrote a 5 stanza bhajan

> on Lord Arunachala. If He completely confined to self only and said

> that self is Lord, then He can cure his mother. What is the

> necessity of praying for Lord arunachala? How do you interpret this?

> >

> > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami

> > surya

> > http://www.universal-spirituality.org

> >

> >

> > Era Molnar <n0ndual@> wrote:

> >

> > Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

> >

> > Then you will abide in the

> > ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth

> and the fear of death.

> >

> > Era

> >

> > ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " Niz's

> impersonally personal pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of

> Brahman]

> >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

surya is not interested in the

 

song

 

 

 

 

he's only interested in

 

the singer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the mother and child

 

 

reunion

 

 

 

which he's trying to

 

 

establish

 

 

as disciple

 

 

 

 

 

and here

 

 

as teacher

 

 

 

 

p.s.: surya in me, surya in you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > prakki surya <dattapr2000@> >

> > > When Ramana Maharshi's mother fell ill, He wrote a 5 stanza

> bhajan on Lord Arunachala. What is the necessity of praying for Lord

> arunachala? How do you interpret this?

> > >

> >

> > Ramana wrote bhajans as he was a poet, he lived inside Arunachala,

> he is known as the Sage of Arunachala, he experienced Siva there.

> >

> > Surya, you are fascinated by rituals, miracles, symbolic stories,

> genesis stories, I'm not. I focus on the MESSAGE of saints, not on

> their stories. Ramana's message is: " Find out where-from thoughts

> emerge. Then you will abide in the ever-present inner-most Self "

> >

> > Advaitins are looking for God inside, what he called the " Self "

> thus find a NONDUAL reality, mindset. OTOH you are looking for God on

> the outside, what is a Davita story

> >

>

> Inside? Outside?.....of what? what is the demarcation zone? if the

> Self is One......and 'I' believe 'this'......what can be inside or

> outside of the Only? is it not 'All' and 'Everything', the One

> without second?......

> do 'inside', 'outside', 'above', 'below', 'along side of', etc have

> any meaning to the Self? God aka the Void, the Self, Atman/Brahma,

> whatever..must be niether inside nor outside nor niether nor

> both.....those are all strictly and only words with relative meaning

> and actually ALL of them are true with respect to THAT of which,

> Ramana, Niz, Jesus, Buddha......all the big boys and girls of el

> Camino Real referred.

>

>

> > Investing too heavily in the concept of Iswara tends to replace the

> idea of oneself with the idea of another self without realisation.

> I'm not saying it is wrong to worship Iswara but it is only a step,

> that can be jumped over by 'Who am I?' [Ramana] Going to the inside

> instead of the outside

>

>

> there are no steps to where one already and always abides.

>

> ........bob

> ps....there is another fascination called 'captivation of

> concept'....it's enthralling stuff...but that's all it

> is.......more 'stuff'. nothing more enlightening about it than pagan

> ritual. whatever realizes is 'realizing'......whatever

> conceals.....'conceals'.......period. nobody is 'right', nobody

> is 'wrong'..... 'nobody' 'is'....... the only true 'fact'.

>

> (bn)

>

>

> nnb

>

>

> > > Era Molnar <n0ndual@> >

> >

> > > Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

> > >

> > > Then you will abide in the

> > > ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth

> and the fear of death.

> > >

> > > Era

> > >

> > > ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " **Niz's

> impersonally personal pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of

> Brahman]

> >

> > Nisargadatta's message is also referring to the inside: " I Am That "

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

>

 

 

 

 

it's not just neti neti

 

it's also both and

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> > Surya, you are fascinated by rituals, miracles, symbolic stories,

> genesis stories, I'm not. I focus on the MESSAGE of saints, not on

> their stories. Ramana's message is: " Find out where-from thoughts

> emerge. Then you will abide in the ever-present inner-most Self "

> >

> > Advaitins are looking for God inside, what he called the " Self "

> thus find a NONDUAL reality, mindset. OTOH you are looking for God on

> the outside, what is a Davita story

> >

>

> Inside? Outside?.....of what? what is the demarcation zone? if the

> Self is One......and 'I' believe 'this'......what can be inside or

> outside of the Only?

 

 

 

 

I was talking to Surya about the Dvaita vs Advaita approach, I wanted to clarify

the Advaita teaching and undestanding.

 

IMO there is a duo in the 'me and god' [suriya's approach] and there is none in

the 'abiding in Ramana's " Sef " ', as you say, that the " Self is ONE "

 

Nisargadatta leads one to a NONDUAL undestanding, mindset, the Dvaita has the

" God is not me " hindrance.. not being ONE with, but ..subserviant.. to a guru to

God ect..

 

Era

 

 

 

> is it not 'All' and 'Everything', the One

> without second?......

> do 'inside', 'outside', 'above', 'below', 'along side of', etc have

> any meaning to the Self? God aka the Void, the Self, Atman/Brahma,

> whatever..must be niether inside nor outside nor niether nor

> both.....those are all strictly and only words with relative meaning

> and actually ALL of them are true with respect to THAT of which,

> Ramana, Niz, Jesus, Buddha......all the big boys and girls of el

> Camino Real referred.

>

>

> > Investing too heavily in the concept of Iswara tends to replace the

> idea of oneself with the idea of another self without realisation.

> I'm not saying it is wrong to worship Iswara but it is only a step,

> that can be jumped over by 'Who am I?' [Ramana] Going to the inside

> instead of the outside

>

>

> there are no steps to where one already and always abides.

>

> ........bob

> ps....there is another fascination called 'captivation of

> concept'....it's enthralling stuff...but that's all it

> is.......more 'stuff'. nothing more enlightening about it than pagan

> ritual. whatever realizes is 'realizing'......whatever

> conceals.....'conceals'.......period. nobody is 'right', nobody

> is 'wrong'..... 'nobody' 'is'....... the only true 'fact'.

>

> >

> nnb

>

>

> > > Era Molnar <n0ndual@> >

> >

> > > Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

> > >

> > > Then you will abide in the

> > > ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of birth

> and the fear of death.

> > >

> > > Era

> > >

> > > ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " **Niz's

> impersonally personal pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of

> Brahman]

> >

> > Nisargadatta's message is also referring to the inside: " I Am That "

> >

> >

> >

> > .

 

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I think you have not got my point. I am not talking about dvaita. I

needed a clarity that is why i posed that question.

 

See Ramana is an advaitin and I respect him a lot. But I am not able

to understand this point, of duality in that specific situation.

Instead you have gone ahead and given me a dose of Ramana's teaching.

 

He also preached upon the non-dual self and I have no comments to

offer.

 

I am asking a simple question, when he is already Self/Brahman/God

then he need not pray to the Lord to save his mother. Does this mean

there existed a Lord that is different from what he preached.

 

But look at another situation, he gave complete moksha to his mother

when she died later on.

 

Can you explain the two situations separately or you may also

corelate them. I have no problem.

 

Surya

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual

wrote:

>

>

>

> > > Surya, you are fascinated by rituals, miracles, symbolic

stories,

> > genesis stories, I'm not. I focus on the MESSAGE of saints, not

on

> > their stories. Ramana's message is: " Find out where-from

thoughts

> > emerge. Then you will abide in the ever-present inner-most Self "

> > >

> > > Advaitins are looking for God inside, what he called

the " Self "

> > thus find a NONDUAL reality, mindset. OTOH you are looking for

God on

> > the outside, what is a Davita story

> > >

> >

> > Inside? Outside?.....of what? what is the demarcation zone? if

the

> > Self is One......and 'I' believe 'this'......what can be inside

or

> > outside of the Only?

>

>

>

>

> I was talking to Surya about the Dvaita vs Advaita approach, I

wanted to clarify the Advaita teaching and undestanding.

>

> IMO there is a duo in the 'me and god' [suriya's approach] and

there is none in the 'abiding in Ramana's " Sef " ', as you say, that

the " Self is ONE "

>

> Nisargadatta leads one to a NONDUAL undestanding, mindset, the

Dvaita has the " God is not me " hindrance.. not being ONE with,

but ..subserviant.. to a guru to God ect..

>

> Era

>

>

>

> > is it not 'All' and 'Everything', the One

> > without second?......

> > do 'inside', 'outside', 'above', 'below', 'along side of', etc

have

> > any meaning to the Self? God aka the Void, the Self,

Atman/Brahma,

> > whatever..must be niether inside nor outside nor niether nor

> > both.....those are all strictly and only words with relative

meaning

> > and actually ALL of them are true with respect to THAT of which,

> > Ramana, Niz, Jesus, Buddha......all the big boys and girls of el

> > Camino Real referred.

> >

> >

> > > Investing too heavily in the concept of Iswara tends to

replace the

> > idea of oneself with the idea of another self without

realisation.

> > I'm not saying it is wrong to worship Iswara but it is only a

step,

> > that can be jumped over by 'Who am I?' [Ramana] Going to the

inside

> > instead of the outside

> >

> >

> > there are no steps to where one already and always abides.

> >

> > ........bob

> > ps....there is another fascination called 'captivation of

> > concept'....it's enthralling stuff...but that's all it

> > is.......more 'stuff'. nothing more enlightening about it than

pagan

> > ritual. whatever realizes is 'realizing'......whatever

> > conceals.....'conceals'.......period. nobody is 'right', nobody

> > is 'wrong'..... 'nobody' 'is'....... the only true 'fact'.

> >

> > >

> > nnb

> >

> >

> > > > Era Molnar <n0ndual@> >

> > >

> > > > Ramana Maharishi: .Find out where-from thoughts emerge.

> > > >

> > > > Then you will abide in the

> > > > ever-present inner-most Self and be free from the idea of

birth

> > and the fear of death.

> > > >

> > > > Era

> > > >

> > > > ps: examples of 'god' in Advaita: Ramana's " Self " **Niz's

> > impersonally personal pure being, or Consciousess, Awareess [of

> > Brahman]

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta's message is also referring to the inside: " I Am

That "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > .

>

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S: I think you have not got my point. I am not talking about dvaita. I needed a

clarity that is why i posed that question.

 

I am asking a simple question, when he is already Self/Brahman/God then he need

not pray to the Lord to save his mother. Does this mean there existed a Lord

that is different from what he preached.

 

But look at another situation, he gave complete moksha to his mother when she

died later on.

 

 

E: For me these stories do not mean, that there " existed a Lord that is

different from what he preached " . You are trying to make a point over and over,

that there is Lord seperate from the ALL.

 

IMO THERE IS NONE.

 

Get over it !

 

No matter how you twist and turn the meaning of Ramana's poems, events of his

life and his prayers; there is a Nondual understanding thaught by Ramana and

Nisargadatta: namely. that All creation is ONE, god is NOT a seperate entity

from this ONE

 

--and your understanding is NOT like that.

 

Era

 

 

Surya, you are fascinated by rituals, miracles, symbolic

stories, genesis stories, I'm not. I focus on the MESSAGE of saints, not on

their stories. Ramana's message is: " Find out where-from > thoughts emerge. Then

you will abide in the ever-present inner-most Self "

Advaitins are looking for God inside, what he called

the " Self " thus find a NONDUAL reality, mindset.

 

OTOH you are looking for God on the outside, what is a Davita story

 

Bob: Inside? Outside?.....of what? what is the demarcation zone? if the Self is

One......and 'I' believe 'this'......what can be inside

or outside of the Only?

 

E: I was talking to Surya about the Dvaita vs Advaita approach, I wanted to

clarify the Advaita teaching and undestanding.

IMO there is a duo in the 'me and god' [suriya's approach] and there is none in

the 'abiding in Ramana's " Sef " ', as you say, that the " Self is ONE "

 

Nisargadatta leads one to a NONDUAL undestanding, mindset, the Dvaita has the

" God is not me " hindrance.. not being ONE with, but ..subserviant.. to a guru to

God ect..

 

Nisargadatta's message is also referring to look inside: " I Am That "

 

S: See Ramana is an advaitin and I respect him a lot. But I am not able to

understand this point, of duality in that specific situation. Instead you have

gone ahead and given me a dose of Ramana's teaching.

He also preached upon the non-dual self and I have no comments to offer.

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