Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 > S:I'm not seeing in you anything > I don't already see in myself. > > P: Well, that's a beginning, at least > you know you are projecting. > > S: Can you say the same thing? > > No, I don't see anything in you, > I just answer emails. Let me know > when you are ready to talk about > your suffering. > S: your condescending attitude is inappropriate. ... P: And yet, again, you see another attack. The Ego is the immune system of the mind, like the immune system it can become oversensitive and attack harmless inputs. Read what a friend of mine wrote to another friend of mine in another list: >G: Lesson: The ego, which can be considered the psychic > > aspect of the body immune system, itself has a 'skin' > > which must be whole and intact. > > > > If breaches have occurred in early childhood, any implants > > which were placed BEFORE maturation (age 7-13) will be > > defended by ego as if they are actually rightful components > > of 'you'. Typically, an attack upon an immature, developing > > ego results in the implantation of the personality of the > > attacker; and this 'attacker' then may become a dominant > > voice in the subliminal inner conversation 'for ever more', > > unless proper steps are taken to heal the wounded ego. > > > > >M: I followed you until the last paragraph. Will you elaborate a bit? > > Melody G: Sure. First, I 'explain' how toxic elements which are implanted before the maturation of ego, are thereafter protected as though they are aspects of 'self'. Ego is manifested by the same elements of Being which also are responsible for immunity of the physical body; and this is exemplified by skin and membrane. Thus, ego is the exemplification of 'boundary function'. Ego, skin and membrane are actually expressions of this same 'thing', which by default, produces 'individuals'. Just as in the schema of the body, which is made of many cells protected by membranes, the human social schema is of made of many individuals, protected by ego, skin and membrane. I hope you can see the logical self-similarity that is revealed in this pattern. Among the 'community' of cells, as in the community of human individuals, there do exist forces which are disruptive; we can describe them as 'destructive', but actually, they serve the purpose of evolution, because they are a constant challenge; we call such forces 'evolutionary stressors'. What may be fatal in the short run, serves to add to immunity in the long run; like any self-sustaining organism, the human learns, grows stronger, and passes such traits on to offspring. Or, the individual organism dies, and does not pass on those traits. Either way, the process leads to greater adaptability, and thus species-success. In our individual lives, we take in these challenging events, but usually give little thought to the long-term effects, good or bad, which progress from any such encounter. Person may die, but species live on, and due to the collective learned experiences embedded in the whole, species adapts to challenge. In truth, the challenges I refer to above, have already been recognized, at least to the extent of being cataloged in the annals of clinical psychiatry. Dealing with ego-breaches, or what may be called lacuna (literally 'hole') shows us that we cannot see the absence of a section of our protective 'ego'; it is literally invisible to us, because it is not there. Yet, we believe it is there; and the original attacker/intruder has left a message to us, that we are safer due to the modification (wound) he inflicted. There is a seeming paradox here; we believe we are protected, but we fall back to using the same 'energies' that caused our breach, when we are desperate and under attack. In other words, no matter how ridiculous or strange it may seem, we depend on the same 'ultimate weapon' which we could not defend against, as most useful in our own defensive actions. It is the breached boundary which brings about the need for defense. The 'whole', unwounded ego moves in unnoticeable ways; such ego is termed 'transparent'. This is topical to the troll, BTW; trollish behaviour is designed to generate attack, for the purpose of validating, again and again, the goodness and effectiveness of the 'ultimate weapon'. We must remember that such weapon was very effective when used to breach the ego of the original victim, who then continues the 'tradition' and in so doing validates his own in-valid state, by means of showing how 'ultimate' the weapon really is. If you have guessed that this pattern is central to the 'tradition of abuse', you are correct. Healing of the breech is a complex event, which may extend over considerable time. It involves eventual 'rewriting' of personal history, to reflect accurately 'what actually happened'. In other words, healing is not a merely matter of forgiving, but of allowing memory to be corrected, as the breach gradually closes. This is why healing can be so difficult; if we insist on keeping the old version/remembered version 'alive', we cannot stand the necessary clarification which progresses from the point of trauma, forward to the present. 'Everything changes'. 'What actually happened' is not a memory of what the event meant, or means. It is an objective report, devoid of any attached values. As such, it has no power over us; but we are wise to transfer this wisdom to the immature, so that they may protect themselves. That is how what is a penalty, may be transformed into a positive value; and in such a case, the 'weapon' is finally laid to rest. ==GP== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > S:I'm not seeing in you anything > > I don't already see in myself. > > > > P: Well, that's a beginning, at least > > you know you are projecting. > > > > S: Can you say the same thing? > > > > No, I don't see anything in you, > > I just answer emails. Let me know > > when you are ready to talk about > > your suffering. > > > > S: your condescending attitude > > is inappropriate. > > ... > > P: And yet, again, you see another attack. > The Ego is the immune system of the mind, > like the immune system it can become oversensitive > and attack harmless inputs. Read what a friend > of mine wrote to another friend of mine in another > list: > > >G: Lesson: The ego, which can be considered the psychic > > > aspect of the body immune system, itself has a 'skin' > > > which must be whole and intact. > > > > > > If breaches have occurred in early childhood, any implants > > > which were placed BEFORE maturation (age 7-13) will be > > > defended by ego as if they are actually rightful components > > > of 'you'. Typically, an attack upon an immature, developing > > > ego results in the implantation of the personality of the > > > attacker; and this 'attacker' then may become a dominant > > > voice in the subliminal inner conversation 'for ever more', > > > unless proper steps are taken to heal the wounded ego. > > > > > > > >M: I followed you until the last paragraph. Will you elaborate a bit? > > > > Melody > > G: Sure. First, I 'explain' how toxic elements which are implanted > before the maturation of ego, are thereafter protected as though > they are aspects of 'self'. > > Ego is manifested by the same elements of Being which also > are responsible for immunity of the physical body; and this is > exemplified by skin and membrane. > > Thus, ego is the exemplification of 'boundary function'. Ego, > skin and membrane are actually expressions of this same 'thing', > which by default, produces 'individuals'. > > Just as in the schema of the body, which is made of many cells > protected by membranes, the human social schema is of made of > many individuals, protected by ego, skin and membrane. I hope > you can see the logical self-similarity that is revealed in this > pattern. > > Among the 'community' of cells, as in the community of > human individuals, there do exist forces which are disruptive; > we can describe them as 'destructive', but actually, they serve > the purpose of evolution, because they are a constant challenge; > we call such forces 'evolutionary stressors'. What may be fatal > in the short run, serves to add to immunity in the long run; like > any self-sustaining organism, the human learns, grows stronger, > and passes such traits on to offspring. Or, the individual organism > dies, and does not pass on those traits. Either way, the process > leads to greater adaptability, and thus species-success. > > In our individual lives, we take in these challenging events, > but usually give little thought to the long-term effects, good > or bad, which progress from any such encounter. Person may > die, but species live on, and due to the collective learned > experiences embedded in the whole, species adapts to challenge. > > In truth, the challenges I refer to above, have already been > recognized, > at least to the extent of being cataloged in the annals of clinical > psychiatry. Dealing with ego-breaches, or what may be called > lacuna (literally 'hole') shows us that we cannot see the absence > of a section of our protective 'ego'; it is literally invisible to us, > because it is not there. Yet, we believe it is there; and the original > attacker/intruder has left a message to us, that we are safer due > to the modification (wound) he inflicted. > > There is a seeming paradox here; we believe we are protected, > but we fall back to using the same 'energies' that caused our > breach, when we are desperate and under attack. In other words, > no matter how ridiculous or strange it may seem, we depend on > the same 'ultimate weapon' which we could not defend against, > as most useful in our own defensive actions. > > It is the breached boundary which brings about the need for > defense. The 'whole', unwounded ego moves in unnoticeable > ways; such ego is termed 'transparent'. This is topical to the > troll, BTW; trollish behaviour is designed to generate attack, > for the purpose of validating, again and again, the goodness > and effectiveness of the 'ultimate weapon'. We must remember > that such weapon was very effective when used to breach the > ego of the original victim, who then continues the 'tradition' > and in so doing validates his own in-valid state, by means of > showing how 'ultimate' the weapon really is. If you have guessed > that this pattern is central to the 'tradition of abuse', you are > correct. > > Healing of the breech is a complex event, which may extend > over considerable time. It involves eventual 'rewriting' of > personal history, to reflect accurately 'what actually happened'. > In other words, healing is not a merely matter of forgiving, > but of allowing memory to be corrected, as the breach gradually > closes. This is why healing can be so difficult; if we insist on > keeping the old version/remembered version 'alive', we cannot > stand the necessary clarification which progresses from the > point of trauma, forward to the present. 'Everything changes'. > > 'What actually happened' is not a memory of what the event > meant, or means. It is an objective report, devoid of any > attached values. As such, it has no power over us; but we > are wise to transfer this wisdom to the immature, so that > they may protect themselves. That is how what is a penalty, > may be transformed into a positive value; and in such a > case, the 'weapon' is finally laid to rest. > > ==GP== there are, more or less two camps or states of mind: the sacrificial set, appropriate for times of crisis and the embracing, for times of abundance i don't need to sacrifice the ego at this time i embrace all .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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