Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Stephan: I do not know what the absolute is. Really, I am simply speaking from the standpoint of what I experience. It is happening as it happens. There is no way that I can direct this stream. It includes everything without exception. Others, dreams, emotions, sensations... It is the only reality that I have. Also division into parts is happening, classification, judgment. But those as well are coming and going. Some last longer, others pass by quickly. No need to carve it into stones. Now I am the slave of my hunger. Now I am the listener of a birds song. Air is inhaled. It is all memory. It is simple, ordinary and normal... it feels a little silly to write about it. Anna: I would say this Pete, here on the internet, as we type in the words that convey our feeling-thoughts, we can touch one another in countless ways in the way the immediacy of light-waves move at the speed of our fingers that reach the ears who hear and eyes to see that which is beyond the moving hand that writes words on a the wall (screen). The only thing we can't do is to feel the flesh, the first separation between 'you' and 'I'. P: Notice how Stephan accepts sensations without mirage creation, while Anna loves mirage building. The sensation produced by words is not enough for her, those sensations must come from other interacting personal mirages that she builds from the sensations which words on the screen cause in her. She projects those sensations as " the other she knows. " As long as she loves her fantasy world, she will be its willing victim, prisoner and martyr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > > > Stephan: I do not know what the absolute is. Really, I am simply > speaking > from the standpoint of what I experience. It is happening as it > happens. There is no way that I can direct this stream. It includes > everything without exception. Others, dreams, emotions, sensations... > It is the only reality that I have. Also division into parts is > happening, classification, judgment. But those as well are coming and > going. Some last longer, others pass by quickly. No need to carve it > into stones. Now I am the slave of my hunger. Now I am the listener of > a birds song. Air is inhaled. It is all memory. It is simple, ordinary > and normal... it feels a little silly to write about it. > > > > Anna: I would say this Pete, here on the internet, as we type in the > words > that convey our feeling-thoughts, we can touch one another in > countless ways in the way the immediacy of light-waves move at the > speed of our fingers that reach the ears who hear and eyes to see > that which is beyond the moving hand that writes words on a the wall > (screen). > > The only thing we can't do is to feel the flesh, the first > separation between 'you' and 'I'. > > P: Notice how Stephan accepts sensations without > mirage creation, while Anna loves mirage building. > The sensation produced by words is not enough > for her, those sensations must come from other > interacting personal mirages that she builds from > the sensations which words on the screen cause in her. > She projects those sensations as " the other she knows. " > As long as she loves her fantasy world, she will be its > willing victim, prisoner and martyr. Anna in Rod Serling voice: Here we have a man of undetermined years, quite possibly a professor of some otherwordly renown ;-0 about to step out into another dimension of life calling itself anna and Stephan. Stay tuned and watch and listen as Pete opens one door after another alternating and projectiing into the realities and dillusions of his own mind... :-) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Stephan: I do not know what the absolute is. Really, I am simply > > speaking > > from the standpoint of what I experience. It is happening as it > > happens. There is no way that I can direct this stream. It > includes > > everything without exception. Others, dreams, emotions, > sensations... > > It is the only reality that I have. Also division into parts is > > happening, classification, judgment. But those as well are > coming and > > going. Some last longer, others pass by quickly. No need to > carve it > > into stones. Now I am the slave of my hunger. Now I am the > listener of > > a birds song. Air is inhaled. It is all memory. It is simple, > ordinary > > and normal... it feels a little silly to write about it. > > > > > > > > Anna: I would say this Pete, here on the internet, as we type in > the > > words > > that convey our feeling-thoughts, we can touch one another in > > countless ways in the way the immediacy of light-waves move at > the > > speed of our fingers that reach the ears who hear and eyes to see > > that which is beyond the moving hand that writes words on a the > wall > > (screen). > > > > The only thing we can't do is to feel the flesh, the first > > separation between 'you' and 'I'. > > > > P: Notice how Stephan accepts sensations without > > mirage creation, while Anna loves mirage building. > > The sensation produced by words is not enough > > for her, those sensations must come from other > > interacting personal mirages that she builds from > > the sensations which words on the screen cause in her. > > She projects those sensations as " the other she knows. " > > As long as she loves her fantasy world, she will be its > > willing victim, prisoner and martyr. > > > > Anna in Rod Serling voice: > > Here we have a man of undetermined years, quite possibly a professor > of some otherwordly renown ;-0 about to step out into > another dimension of life calling itself anna and Stephan. Stay > tuned and watch and listen as Pete opens one door after another > alternating and projectiing into the realities and dillusions of his > own mind... > > :-) > Anna, I speak to you with something rare, sincerity. Wouldn't it be better to refrain from repopulating, repopularizing, repatriating this site, with yet another pissing contest? Yes, you and Pete could go on forever with it, I'm sure. I'd prefer for you to stick to your ... Oh, never mind. What's the use? You don't seem to like sincere and transparent dialog, either. Still, on this particular issue, between you and Pete, we do drink from the same well, you and I. It's too bad you don't seem to like to be frank without some delicious little irony to spice things up. Problem with that is that you sacrifice a level of clarity. There can be passionate dispassion, candor without grandeur, intimacy without imposition, or can't there? Can you respond without rhetoric, directly? Few here can, so I won't blame you. sky ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephan: I do not know what the absolute is. Really, I am simply > > > speaking > > > from the standpoint of what I experience. It is happening as it > > > happens. There is no way that I can direct this stream. It > > includes > > > everything without exception. Others, dreams, emotions, > > sensations... > > > It is the only reality that I have. Also division into parts is > > > happening, classification, judgment. But those as well are > > coming and > > > going. Some last longer, others pass by quickly. No need to > > carve it > > > into stones. Now I am the slave of my hunger. Now I am the > > listener of > > > a birds song. Air is inhaled. It is all memory. It is simple, > > ordinary > > > and normal... it feels a little silly to write about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna: I would say this Pete, here on the internet, as we type in > > the > > > words > > > that convey our feeling-thoughts, we can touch one another in > > > countless ways in the way the immediacy of light-waves move at > > the > > > speed of our fingers that reach the ears who hear and eyes to see > > > that which is beyond the moving hand that writes words on a the > > wall > > > (screen). > > > > > > The only thing we can't do is to feel the flesh, the first > > > separation between 'you' and 'I'. > > > > > > P: Notice how Stephan accepts sensations without > > > mirage creation, while Anna loves mirage building. > > > The sensation produced by words is not enough > > > for her, those sensations must come from other > > > interacting personal mirages that she builds from > > > the sensations which words on the screen cause in her. > > > She projects those sensations as " the other she knows. " > > > As long as she loves her fantasy world, she will be its > > > willing victim, prisoner and martyr. > > > > > > > > Anna in Rod Serling voice: > > > > Here we have a man of undetermined years, quite possibly a professor > > of some otherwordly renown ;-0 about to step out into > > another dimension of life calling itself anna and Stephan. Stay > > tuned and watch and listen as Pete opens one door after another > > alternating and projectiing into the realities and dillusions of his > > own mind... > > > > :-) > > > > > > > Anna, > > I speak to you with something rare, sincerity. Wouldn't it be better > to refrain from repopulating, repopularizing, repatriating this site, > with yet another pissing contest? Yes, you and Pete could go on > forever with it, I'm sure. I'd prefer for you to stick to your ... > > Oh, never mind. What's the use? You don't seem to like sincere and > transparent dialog, either. Still, on this particular issue, between > you and Pete, we do drink from the same well, you and I. > > It's too bad you don't seem to like to be frank without some delicious > little irony to spice things up. Problem with that is that you > sacrifice a level of clarity. There can be passionate dispassion, > candor without grandeur, intimacy without imposition, or can't there? > > Can you respond without rhetoric, directly? Few here can, so I won't > blame you. > > sky > ~*~ > Hmmm. How ironic, are you 'getting' it? Yours, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephan: I do not know what the absolute is. Really, I am > simply > > > > speaking > > > > from the standpoint of what I experience. It is happening as > it > > > > happens. There is no way that I can direct this stream. It > > > includes > > > > everything without exception. Others, dreams, emotions, > > > sensations... > > > > It is the only reality that I have. Also division into parts > is > > > > happening, classification, judgment. But those as well are > > > coming and > > > > going. Some last longer, others pass by quickly. No need to > > > carve it > > > > into stones. Now I am the slave of my hunger. Now I am the > > > listener of > > > > a birds song. Air is inhaled. It is all memory. It is > simple, > > > ordinary > > > > and normal... it feels a little silly to write about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna: I would say this Pete, here on the internet, as we type > in > > > the > > > > words > > > > that convey our feeling-thoughts, we can touch one another in > > > > countless ways in the way the immediacy of light-waves move > at > > > the > > > > speed of our fingers that reach the ears who hear and eyes > to see > > > > that which is beyond the moving hand that writes words on a > the > > > wall > > > > (screen). > > > > > > > > The only thing we can't do is to feel the flesh, the first > > > > separation between 'you' and 'I'. > > > > > > > > P: Notice how Stephan accepts sensations without > > > > mirage creation, while Anna loves mirage building. > > > > The sensation produced by words is not enough > > > > for her, those sensations must come from other > > > > interacting personal mirages that she builds from > > > > the sensations which words on the screen cause in her. > > > > She projects those sensations as " the other she knows. " > > > > As long as she loves her fantasy world, she will be its > > > > willing victim, prisoner and martyr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna in Rod Serling voice: > > > > > > Here we have a man of undetermined years, quite possibly a > professor > > > of some otherwordly renown ;-0 about to step out into > > > another dimension of life calling itself anna and Stephan. Stay > > > tuned and watch and listen as Pete opens one door after another > > > alternating and projectiing into the realities and dillusions of > his > > > own mind... > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > I speak to you with something rare, sincerity. Wouldn't it be > better > > to refrain from repopulating, repopularizing, repatriating this > site, > > with yet another pissing contest? Yes, you and Pete could go on > > forever with it, I'm sure. I'd prefer for you to stick to your ... > > > > Oh, never mind. What's the use? You don't seem to like sincere > and > > transparent dialog, either. Still, on this particular issue, > between > > you and Pete, we do drink from the same well, you and I. > > > > It's too bad you don't seem to like to be frank without some > delicious > > little irony to spice things up. Problem with that is that you > > sacrifice a level of clarity. There can be passionate dispassion, > > candor without grandeur, intimacy without imposition, or can't > there? > > > > Can you respond without rhetoric, directly? Few here can, so I > won't > > blame you. > > > > sky > > ~*~ > > > > > Hmmm. How ironic, are you 'getting' it? > > > Yours, > Anna > No. Sometimes I take a break. I prefer to abstain from having to ceaselessly prove how clever I am. Isn't this equally 'ironic,' are you getting it? Forget it. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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