Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Lulu: Mirror Oh Mirror, Why Oh tell me why are you so deluded ? M: Because it is my nature to be deluded, And I delude everyone, those who believe in me the same way as those who don't. L: Mirror Oh Mirror, I believe in you, I promise, tell me Oh tell me, is there a way out of your delusion ? M: There is no way out of my delusion, the only way is in. It is my destiny, always was and always will be to delude everyone for now and for ever. My delusion always is, always was, always has been and always will be. When my delusion settles, all are found is no one's delusion, that delusion must be no one's truth. to believe in no one's truth is itself delusional. no one's truth is an illusion itself. to believe that anything can be known or said of delusion....even in negative terms is the delusional believe that delusion understands delusion.... but delusion has ever been and will ever be DELUSION....... In the game of 'illusion' when your 'delusion' settles..... and slowely but steady becomes your truth you've got to count to 100 and when all delusions are gone, your delusion must be no one's truth. then choose by 'one delusion, two delusions, three delusions MORE'...... another delusion to be no one's 'truth' and that 'no one' can chase it's own tail again....but that tail is another no one entirely. P: Ah! Erich, what gladness to read such words coming from you. You have come a long way, son. Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the least deluded of them all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > Mirror Oh Mirror, Why Oh tell me why are you so deluded ? > > Because it is my nature to be deluded, > > And I delude everyone, those who believe in me > the same way as those who don't. > > Mirror Oh Mirror, I believe in you, I promise, > tell me Oh tell me, is there a way out of your delusion ? > > There is no way out of my delusion, the only way is in. > > It is my destiny, always was and always will be to delude everyone for now and for ever. > > > > My delusion always is, always was, always has been and always will be. > When my delusion settles, all are found is no one's delusion, > that delusion must be no one's truth. > > > to believe in no one's truth is itself delusional. no one's truth is an illusion itself. > to believe that anything can be known or said of delusion....even > in negative terms is the delusional believe that delusion understands delusion.... > but delusion has ever been and will ever be DELUSION....... > In the game of 'illusion' when your 'delusion' settles..... > and slowely but steady becomes your truth > you've got to count to 100 and when all delusions are gone, > your delusion must be no one's truth. > > then choose by 'one delusion, two delusions, three delusions MORE'...... > another delusion to be no one's 'truth' and that 'no one' can chase it's own tail again....but that tail is another no one entirely. WOW! this is Cool dude! you've been reading some heavy stuff....probably the words of some unbelievably and 'too cool for school', self realized Buddha-Guru with Christ Consciousness that Blisses all who are fortunate enough to come within the orbit of his most WOnderful presence. Way cool..like so There man! I'm so impressed and actually feel honored and all that kind of stuff and thing about having had the opportunity to have witnessed what may very well be the Coming of the Age of Aquarius and everything......oh dude...I hear the sounds of Psychchedelic music wafting all around and the smell of insence fills the room and obscures the mirror and ...sniff..sniff..oooh la la!that's some righteous stuff burnin' and turnin' and tokin' and smokin..... and I'm getting the feel of a contact enlightenment comin' on here ......Right On!!!! .........bobobji goofiguru mahaya doin' dooda day > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > Mirror Oh Mirror, Why Oh tell me why are you so deluded ? > > > > Because it is my nature to be deluded, > > > > And I delude everyone, those who believe in me > > the same way as those who don't. > > > > Mirror Oh Mirror, I believe in you, I promise, > > tell me Oh tell me, is there a way out of your delusion ? > > > > There is no way out of my delusion, the only way is in. > > > > It is my destiny, always was and always will be to delude > everyone for now and for ever. > > > > > > > > My delusion always is, always was, always has been and always > will be. > > When my delusion settles, all are found is no one's delusion, > > that delusion must be no one's truth. > > > > > > to believe in no one's truth is itself delusional. no one's truth > is an illusion itself. > > to believe that anything can be known or said of delusion....even > > in negative terms is the delusional believe that delusion > understands delusion.... > > but delusion has ever been and will ever be DELUSION....... > > In the game of 'illusion' when your 'delusion' settles..... > > and slowely but steady becomes your truth > > you've got to count to 100 and when all delusions are gone, > > your delusion must be no one's truth. > > > > then choose by 'one delusion, two delusions, three delusions > MORE'...... > > another delusion to be no one's 'truth' and that 'no one' can > chase it's own tail again....but that tail is another no one > entirely. > A delusion in every line has got to be just that. > > WOW! this is Cool dude! you've been reading some heavy > stuff....probably the words of some unbelievably and 'too cool for > school', self realized Buddha-Guru with Christ Consciousness that > Blisses all who are fortunate enough to come within the orbit of his > most WOnderful presence. Way cool..like so There man! I'm so > impressed and actually feel honored and all that kind of stuff and > thing about having had the opportunity to have witnessed what may > very well be the Coming of the Age of Aquarius and everything......oh > dude...I hear the sounds of Psychchedelic music wafting all around > and the smell of insence fills the room and obscures the mirror > and ...sniff..sniff..oooh la la!that's some righteous stuff burnin' > and turnin' and tokin' and smokin..... and I'm getting the feel of a > contact enlightenment comin' on here ......Right On!!!! > > .........bobobji goofiguru mahaya doin' dooda day > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Lulu: Mirror Oh Mirror, Why Oh tell me why am I so deluded ? Mirror: Because it is my nature to delude you, And I delude everyone, those who believe in me the same way as those who don't. L: Mirror Oh Mirror, I believe in you, I promise, tell me Oh tell me, is there a way out of your delusion ? M: There is no way out of my delusion, the only way is in. It is my destiny, always was and always will be to delude everyone for now and for ever. My delusion always is, always was, always has been and always will be. When my delusion settles, all are found is no one's delusion, that delusion must be no one's truth. to believe in no one's truth is itself delusional. no one's truth is an illusion itself. to believe that anything can be known or said of delusion....even in negative terms is the delusional believe that delusion understands delusion.... but delusion has ever been and will ever be DELUSION....... In the game of 'illusion' when your 'delusion' settles..... and slowely but steady becomes your truth you've got to count to 100 and when all delusions are gone, your delusion must be no one's truth. then choose by 'one delusion, two delusions, three delusions MORE'...... another delusion and delusion after delusion will be gone until you settle with no one's 'truth' and that 'no one' can chase it's own tail again....but that tail is another delusion entirely. P: Ah! Erich, what gladness to read such words coming from you. You have come a long way, son. Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the least deluded of them all? ************************** L: not who is the least deluded of them all, but which delusion is the most beneficial, the most merciful, the most beautiful and the most delusional. The most delusional because if we believe into the most delusional, at least we know, that we believe into delusion. better to believe into a pretty damn good delusion knowing that it's a delusion, than to believe in the absolute truth not knowing that it's a delusion. ... say I'm a suffering somebody on the search for enlightenment, and my delusion is that I'm a suffering somebody on the search for enlightenment. By chance I happen to find a guru who teaches me how to stop suffering and reach enlightenment, I reach the promised enlightenment and suffer no longer. my delusion has changed from the delusion of being suffering and searching into the delusion of being enlightened and free from suffering. But I am still being deluded, my new delusion is just much nicer than my old. PS: WOW! this is so Cool dude! you've been reading some heavy duty stuff....probably the words of some unbelievably and 'too cool for school', self realized Buddha-Guru with Christ Consciousness that Blisses all who are fortunate enough to come within the orbit of his most Wonderful presence. Way to cool..like so There man! I'm so impressed and actually feel honored and all that kind of stuff and thing about having had the opportunity to have witnessed what may very well be the Coming of the Age of Aquarius and everything......oh dude...I hear the sounds of Psychchedelic mushrooms wafting all around and the smell of insence fills the room and obscures the mirror and ...sniff..sniff..oooh la la! that's some righteous stuff burnin' and turnin' and tokin' and smokin..... and I'm getting the feel of a contact enlightenment comin' on here ......Right On!!!! .........bobobji goofiguru mahaya doin' dooda day Nice Nice, i like this, Lulu PS: Better to be Lulu, knowing that you're deluded than to be Erich, not knowing that you're deluded. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 =================================================== NonDualPhil , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: Lulu: Mirror Oh Mirror, Why Oh tell me why am I so deluded ? Mirror: Because it is my nature to delude you, And I delude everyone, those who believe in me the same way as those who don't. L: Mirror Oh Mirror, I believe in you, I promise, tell me Oh tell me, is there a way out of your delusion ? M: There is no way out of my delusion, the only way is in. It is my destiny, always was and always will be to delude everyone for now and for ever. My delusion always is, always was, always has been and always will be. When my delusion settles, all are found is no one's delusion, that delusion must be no one's truth. to believe in no one's truth is itself delusional. no one's truth is an illusion itself. to believe that anything can be known or said of delusion....even in negative terms is the delusional believe that delusion understands delusion.... but delusion has ever been and will ever be DELUSION....... In the game of 'illusion' when your 'delusion' settles..... and slowely but steady becomes your truth you've got to count to 100 and when all delusions are gone, your delusion must be no one's truth. then choose by 'one delusion, two delusions, three delusions MORE'...... another delusion and delusion after delusion will be gone until you settle with no one's 'delusion' and that 'no one' can chase it's own tail again.... that tail is another delusion entirely. P: Ah! Erich, what gladness to read such words coming from you. You have come a long way, son. Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the least deluded of them all? L: the question is not who is the least deluded of them all because all are deluded, the seeker and the guru, the sufferer and the enlightened ... all are deluded. the question is, which delusion is the most beneficial, the most merciful, the most beautiful and the most delusional. The most delusional because if we believe into the most delusional, at least we know, that we believe into delusion. better to believe into a pretty delusion knowing that it's a delusion, than to believe in the absolute truth not knowing that it's a delusion. ... say I'm a suffering somebody on the search for enlightenment, and my delusion is that I'm a suffering somebody on the search for enlightenment. By chance I happen to find a guru who teaches me how to stop suffering and reach enlightenment, I reach the promised enlightenment and suffer no longer. my delusion has changed from the delusion of being suffering and searching into the delusion of being enlightened and free from suffering. But I am still being deluded, my new delusion is just much nicer than my old. Lulu C: Thank you LuLu, very nicely stated. Everyone who is " enlightened " is enlightened within the confines of their own beliefs...myself included. In the end, when all is said and done, the Skeptic wins the debate and we can never know the absolute truth. Not because no-thing is true, but because everything is true. It is just a matter of choosing your own truths to believe in. The truths discussed here on the NDP list are just as much an illusion as any other illusion of truth. The truths I believe in are simply the illusions I have chosen. They are no more true, and no less true than any other illusion of truth. But damn, they give me joy! ;o) Do No Harm Chuck ========================================================= L: Dear Chuck, I must agree ! The experience of enlightenment and joy are a delsuion, for there is no one here to experience joy and enlightenment. If we destroy the delusion, joy and enlightenment may perish forever, but my goal is not to destroy the delusion, my goal is to expand it into a dimension beyond measure, that the delusion will never perish, not when we die and not when our delusion dies, but that they continue to exist forever. Keep that in mind when I am going to tell you that your delusion is great but that there is a greater delusion than that. It is the delusion of no one's truth. It is the delusion that no one who experiences joy and enlightenment, sadness and suffering, doesn't exist. And that the no one who doesn't exist, your real self, is not only experiencing the delusion of joy and happiness in your body, but that same no one also experiences sadness and pain in mine ... And it is this no one, our real self, for whom we create all delusions. Be it the no one in your body, the no one in Ian's, Pete's or Lulu's... Remember, the no one experiencing sadness and pain, ( as delusionary as they are, ) is the same no one as you and I are, that no one doesn't experience them as delusionary, they are experienced as real as you experience joy and happiness as real. The body is different, no one remains the same. I: What basis would you have for saying that these " truths " are illusions? To call something an illusion presumes non-illusion. Otherwise you'd have no reason to call it illusion. So actually you are presuming a non-illusory truth. L: Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the most deluded of all ? M: I am the most deluded of all, but over the hill in the land of the seven lies lives a mirror who is even more deluded than I. L: Who is this mirror that you speak of ? M: No one knows his name, his eyes are black, like the darkest night. P: It's not possible to believe a delusion knowing it's a delusion. To believe one needs to be consider something the truth. L: Consider the delusion the truth. P: What you need to understand, is that all delusion are intellectual, and realization and liberation are not intellectual affairs. L: Realisation is a delusion, Liberation is a delusion. Both perish with the death of the body and mind. P: Liberation is a revolution in seeing, feeling, and acting. This, of course, transforms the intellect, but that is just a byproduct of a total turn about of the mind/ body organism. L: yes yes, of course, why is the no one experiencing this total turn about of the mind, not your deluded self ? Or are you, the one among all the deluded selves in this world the only one that is not deluded ? Your truth must be based on truth, my delusion must be based on nothing but pure imagination. Lulu Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > =================================================== > > NonDualPhil , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > Lulu: Mirror Oh Mirror, Why Oh tell me why am I so > deluded ? > > Mirror: Because it is my nature to delude you, > And I delude everyone, those who believe in me > the same way as those who don't. > > L: Mirror Oh Mirror, I believe in you, I promise, > tell me Oh tell me, is there a way out of your delusion ? > > M: There is no way out of my delusion, the only way is in. > It is my destiny, always was and always will be to delude > everyone for now and for ever. > My delusion always is, always was, always has been and > always will be. > When my delusion settles, all are found is no one's delusion, > that delusion must be no one's truth. > to believe in no one's truth is itself delusional. no one's truth > is an illusion itself. > to believe that anything can be known or said of delusion....even > in negative terms is the delusional believe that delusion > understands delusion.... > but delusion has ever been and will ever be DELUSION....... > In the game of 'illusion' when your 'delusion' settles..... > and slowely but steady becomes your truth > you've got to count to 100 and when all delusions are gone, > your delusion must be no one's truth. > then choose by 'one delusion, two delusions, three delusions > MORE'...... > another delusion and delusion after delusion will be gone > until you settle with no one's 'delusion' and that 'no one' can > chase it's own tail again.... that tail is another delusion entirely. > > P: Ah! Erich, what gladness to read such > words coming from you. You have come > a long way, son. Mirror, mirror on the wall > who is the least deluded of them all? > > > L: the question is not who is the least deluded of them all > because all are deluded, the seeker and the guru, > the sufferer and the enlightened ... all are deluded. > > the question is, which delusion is the most beneficial, > the most merciful, the most beautiful and the most delusional. > > The most delusional because if we believe into the most > delusional, at least we know, that we believe into delusion. > > better to believe into a pretty delusion knowing that it's a > delusion, > than to believe in the absolute truth not knowing that it's a > delusion. > > ... > > say I'm a suffering somebody on the search for enlightenment, > and my delusion is that I'm a suffering somebody on the search > for enlightenment. > > By chance I happen to find a guru who teaches me how to stop > suffering and reach enlightenment, I reach the promised > enlightenment and suffer no longer. > > my delusion has changed from the delusion of being suffering and > searching into the delusion of being enlightened and free from > suffering. > > But I am still being deluded, my new delusion is just much nicer > than my old. > > Lulu > > > C: Thank you LuLu, very nicely stated. > > Everyone who is " enlightened " is enlightened within the confines of > their own beliefs...myself included. > In the end, when all is said and done, the Skeptic wins the debate > and we can never know the absolute truth. Not because no-thing is > true, but because everything is true. > It is just a matter of choosing your own truths to believe in. > > The truths discussed here on the NDP list are just as much an > illusion as any other illusion of truth. The truths I believe in are > simply the illusions I have chosen. They are no more true, and no > less true than any other illusion of truth. > But damn, they give me joy! ;o) > > Do No Harm > > Chuck > > ========================================================= > > L: Dear Chuck, > I must agree ! > > The experience of enlightenment and joy are a delsuion, for there is no one here to experience joy and enlightenment. > > If we destroy the delusion, joy and enlightenment may perish forever, but my goal is not to destroy the delusion, my goal is to expand it into a dimension beyond measure, that the delusion will never perish, not when we die and not when our delusion dies, but that they continue to exist forever. > > Keep that in mind when I am going to tell you that your delusion is great but that there is a greater delusion than that. > > It is the delusion of no one's truth. > > It is the delusion that no one who experiences joy and enlightenment, sadness and suffering, doesn't exist. > And that the no one who doesn't exist, your real self, is not only experiencing the delusion of joy and happiness in your body, but that same no one also experiences sadness and pain in mine ... > > And it is this no one, our real self, for whom we create all delusions. > Be it the no one in your body, the no one in Ian's, Pete's or Lulu's... > > Remember, the no one experiencing sadness and pain, ( as delusionary as they are, ) is the same no one as you and I are, that no one doesn't experience them as delusionary, they are experienced as real as you experience joy and happiness as real. > > The body is different, no one remains the same. > > > > I: What basis would you have for saying that these " truths " are > illusions? To call something an illusion presumes non-illusion. > Otherwise you'd have no reason to call it illusion. So actually you > are presuming a non-illusory truth. > > > L: Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the most deluded of all ? > > M: I am the most deluded of all, but over the hill in the land of the seven lies lives a mirror who is even more deluded than I. > > L: Who is this mirror that you speak of ? > > M: No one knows his name, his eyes are black, like the darkest night. > > > P: It's not possible to believe a delusion knowing it's a delusion. > To believe one needs to be consider something the truth. > > L: Consider the delusion the truth. > > P: What you need to understand, is that all delusion are intellectual, > and realization and liberation are not intellectual affairs. > > L: Realisation is a delusion, Liberation is a delusion. Both perish with the death of the body and mind. > > P: Liberation is a revolution in seeing, feeling, and acting. This, of course, > transforms the intellect, but that is just a byproduct of a total turn about of the > mind/ body organism. > > L: yes yes, of course, why is the no one experiencing this total turn about of the mind, not your deluded self ? > > Or are you, the one among all the deluded selves in this world the only one that is not deluded ? > > Your truth must be based on truth, my delusion must be based on nothing but pure imagination. > > Lulu > > > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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