Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind-intellect the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean discovering Itself ....in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind-intellect > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean > > discovering Itself > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > Marc > let's just call this " enlightenment. " or let's just call this " stupefaction. " take your pick. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind-intellect > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean > > > > discovering Itself > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > or > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > take your pick. who cares about names..... or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a name?... Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind-intellect > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > or > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > who cares about names..... > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a name?... > > Marc > > > > good point. but, of course, we all care about names or else we wouldn't be posting. who cares whether we say " names " or " posting " ? but names are (a big part of) everything, for example, when a " zen master " breakes your arm, you might call this " a lesson. " when a prison guard breaks your arm, you might call this " sadism. " (a re-) ~ " Mark " (on a delusion) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > or > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a name?... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > but, of course, we all care about names > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > who cares whether we say > > " names " > > or > > " posting " ? > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > for example, > > when a " zen master " > > breakes your arm, > > you might call this > > " a lesson. " > > > > when a prison guard > > breaks your arm, > > you might call this > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > ~ " Mark " > > (on a delusion) fantastic stories....indeed!.... (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " no other names on your list?) Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a name?... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > > > but, of course, we all care about names > > > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > > > who cares whether we say > > > > " names " > > > > or > > > > " posting " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > > > for example, > > > > when a " zen master " > > > > breakes your arm, > > > > you might call this > > > > " a lesson. " > > > > > > > > when a prison guard > > > > breaks your arm, > > > > you might call this > > > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > > > ~ " Mark " > > > > (on a delusion) > > > > > fantastic stories....indeed!.... > > > (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " > no other names on your list?) > > > > Marc > > > " wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " " you wouldn't? fantastic stories...indeed!.... no other No-names on Your list? ) re-Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind- intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a name?... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > > > > > but, of course, we all care about names > > > > > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > > > > > who cares whether we say > > > > > > " names " > > > > > > or > > > > > > " posting " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > > > > > for example, > > > > > > when a " zen master " > > > > > > breakes your arm, > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > " a lesson. " > > > > > > > > > > > > when a prison guard > > > > > > breaks your arm, > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > > > > > ~ " Mark " > > > > > > (on a delusion) > > > > > > > > > > fantastic stories....indeed!.... > > > > > > (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " > > no other names on your list?) > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > " wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " " > > > you wouldn't? > > fantastic stories...indeed!.... > > no other No-names on Your list? > > > ) > > > > re-Marc > Nice threads, Marc and Sky however, when your arms are broken, your spirit remains coupled in the naked Venus arising from One infinite ocean ;- ) wink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind- intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a name?... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > > > > > but, of course, we all care about names > > > > > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > > > > > who cares whether we say > > > > > > " names " > > > > > > or > > > > > > " posting " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > > > > > for example, > > > > > > when a " zen master " > > > > > > breakes your arm, > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > " a lesson. " > > > > > > > > > > > > when a prison guard > > > > > > breaks your arm, > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > > > > > ~ " Mark " > > > > > > (on a delusion) > > > > > > > > > > fantastic stories....indeed!.... > > > > > > (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " > > no other names on your list?) > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > " wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " " > > > you wouldn't? > > fantastic stories...indeed!.... > > no other No-names on Your list? > > > ) > > > > re-Marc ....ok it seem that some people need such a " Zen-Master " ....to brake.... whatever illusion (specially the one....to call somebody ......or *..... oneself.......... " enlightened " ) Marc * and here if you may allow....i inserted a nice " pick-game " (seem that you like such games) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind- > intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending > ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > > > > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a > name?... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > > > > > > > but, of course, we all care about names > > > > > > > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > > > > > > > who cares whether we say > > > > > > > > " names " > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > " posting " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > > > > > > > for example, > > > > > > > > when a " zen master " > > > > > > > > breakes your arm, > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > " a lesson. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a prison guard > > > > > > > > breaks your arm, > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > > > > > > > ~ " Mark " > > > > > > > > (on a delusion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic stories....indeed!.... > > > > > > > > > (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " > > > no other names on your list?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > " wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " " > > > > > > you wouldn't? > > > > fantastic stories...indeed!.... > > > > no other No-names on Your list? > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > re-Marc > > > > > > Nice threads, Marc and Sky > > however, when your arms are broken, your spirit > remains coupled in the naked Venus arising from One infinite ocean ;- > ) > > wink. > tell it to the marines (the disembodied) wink, wink .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind- > intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending > ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > > > > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a > name?... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > > > > > > > but, of course, we all care about names > > > > > > > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > > > > > > > who cares whether we say > > > > > > > > " names " > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > " posting " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > > > > > > > for example, > > > > > > > > when a " zen master " > > > > > > > > breakes your arm, > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > " a lesson. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a prison guard > > > > > > > > breaks your arm, > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > > > > > > > ~ " Mark " > > > > > > > > (on a delusion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic stories....indeed!.... > > > > > > > > > (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " > > > no other names on your list?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > " wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " " > > > > > > you wouldn't? > > > > fantastic stories...indeed!.... > > > > no other No-names on Your list? > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > re-Marc > > > > ...ok > > it seem that some people need such a " Zen-Master " ....to brake.... > whatever illusion > > (specially the one....to call somebody > .....or *..... > oneself.......... " enlightened " ) > > > > > Marc > > > > * and here if you may allow....i inserted a nice " pick-game " > > (seem that you like such games) > > > > how infinitely generous of you to play along! lol! .... ps: ps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind- > > intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never ending > > ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > > > > > > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a > > name?... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > > > > > > > > > but, of course, we all care about names > > > > > > > > > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > > > > > > > > > who cares whether we say > > > > > > > > > > " names " > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > " posting " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > > > > > > > > > for example, > > > > > > > > > > when a " zen master " > > > > > > > > > > breakes your arm, > > > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > > > " a lesson. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a prison guard > > > > > > > > > > breaks your arm, > > > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > > > > > > > > > ~ " Mark " > > > > > > > > > > (on a delusion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic stories....indeed!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " > > > > no other names on your list?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " " > > > > > > > > > you wouldn't? > > > > > > fantastic stories...indeed!.... > > > > > > no other No-names on Your list? > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > re-Marc > > > > > > > > ...ok > > > > it seem that some people need such a " Zen-Master " ....to brake.... > > whatever illusion > > > > (specially the one....to call somebody > > .....or *..... > > oneself.......... " enlightened " ) > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > * and here if you may allow....i inserted a nice " pick-game " > > > > (seem that you like such games) > > > > > > > > > > > how infinitely generous > > of you to play along! > > > lol! > > ... > > ps: ps lol (you are out of names now?) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being body-mind- > > > intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > ending > > > ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " enlightenment. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's just call this " stupefaction. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take your pick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares about names..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or maybe it need few more delusions in order to select a > > > name?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good point. > > > > > > > > > > > > but, of course, we all care about names > > > > > > > > > > > > or else we wouldn't be posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares whether we say > > > > > > > > > > > > " names " > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > " posting " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but names are (a big part of) everything, > > > > > > > > > > > > for example, > > > > > > > > > > > > when a " zen master " > > > > > > > > > > > > breakes your arm, > > > > > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > > > > > " a lesson. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when a prison guard > > > > > > > > > > > > breaks your arm, > > > > > > > > > > > > you might call this > > > > > > > > > > > > " sadism. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a re-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ " Mark " > > > > > > > > > > > > (on a delusion) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fantastic stories....indeed!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (but wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " > > > > > no other names on your list?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wouldn't call somebody breaking my arms...a " Zen-Master " " > > > > > > > > > > > > you wouldn't? > > > > > > > > fantastic stories...indeed!.... > > > > > > > > no other No-names on Your list? > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > ...ok > > > > > > it seem that some people need such a " Zen-Master " ....to brake.... > > > whatever illusion > > > > > > (specially the one....to call somebody > > > .....or *..... > > > oneself.......... " enlightened " ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > * and here if you may allow....i inserted a nice " pick-game " > > > > > > (seem that you like such games) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how infinitely generous > > > > of you to play along! > > > > > > lol! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ps: ps > > > lol > > (you are out of names now?) > > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > body-mind-intellect > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > ending ocean > > > > discovering Itself > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite being > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Marc, > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > beautiful...and does it matter > > Noel > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to you....or not? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > enjoyed the feeling... > > Noel that's what matters and it matters more than anything else so the phrase " it does not matter " is very bad poetry .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > Noel > that's what matters > > and it matters more than anything else > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > is very bad poetry yes... even if real being isn't embodied in names & forms... at least words should be embodied into " poetry " Marc > > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what matters > > > > and it matters more than anything else > > > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > > > is very bad poetry > > > yes... > > even if real being isn't embodied in names & forms... > > at least words should be embodied into " poetry " > > > Marc > > > > > > > > ... > > > real being is everything everything matters if real being matters and here all that is being shared is feeling feelings about everything if you feel that nothing matters then you're a liar for making it matter that you have to say that it doesn't matter and the lie matters because behind the lie is the feeling of rage all lies conceal rage generally speaking .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to > > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what matters > > > > > > and it matters more than anything else > > > > > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > > > > > is very bad poetry > > > > > > yes... > > > > even if real being isn't embodied in names & forms... > > > > at least words should be embodied into " poetry " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > real being is everything > > everything matters if real being > > matters > > > > and here > > all that is being shared > > is feeling > > > > feelings about everything > > > > if you feel that nothing matters > > then you're a liar for making it > > matter that you have to say > > that it doesn't matter > > > > and the lie matters > > because behind the lie > > is the feeling of rage > > > > all lies conceal rage > > generally speaking you are indeed embodied.....in/by/for/from many emotions....feelings..... thats nice.... i think nobody could have any serious problems ( " rage " ... " lies " ...) with that..... it's your world.... it's your personal kind of seeing.... it's your body and mind... it's your (whole) world... but please don't mixe up.....real being.... with this your imaginary world..... Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > > > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to > > > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > > > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what matters > > > > > > > > and it matters more than anything else > > > > > > > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > > > > > > > is very bad poetry > > > > > > > > > yes... > > > > > > even if real being isn't embodied in names & forms... > > > > > > at least words should be embodied into " poetry " > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real being is everything > > > > everything matters if real being > > > > matters > > > > > > > > and here > > > > all that is being shared > > > > is feeling > > > > > > > > feelings about everything > > > > > > > > if you feel that nothing matters > > > > then you're a liar for making it > > > > matter that you have to say > > > > that it doesn't matter > > > > > > > > and the lie matters > > > > because behind the lie > > > > is the feeling of rage > > > > > > > > all lies conceal rage > > > > generally speaking > > > > you are indeed embodied.....in/by/for/from many > emotions....feelings..... > > thats nice.... > i think nobody could have any serious problems ( " rage " ... " lies " ...) > with that..... > > it's your world.... > > it's your personal kind of seeing.... > > it's your body and mind... > > it's your (whole) world... > > > but please don't mixe up.....real being.... > > with this your imaginary world..... > > > Marc > > > > > > Marc, ma man, you are indeed embodied.....in/by/for/from many emotions....feelings..... thats UNAVOIDABLE... i think nobody could have any serious problems ( " rage " ... " lies " ...) with that..... it's your world.... it's your personal kind of seeing.... it's your body and mind... it's your (whole) world... but please don't mix up.....real being.... with this your imaginary world..... and your imaginary world is that you are only beyond all this. You aren't. You are the totality of all of this, really. But when You say to me: " but please don't mix up.....real being.... with this your imaginary world..... " what's it to you? When I say same to you, what's it to me? I just don't like to see people suffer. How about you? If you're beyond suffering, what's it to you? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- skywhilds <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a > > never > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds > > you > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice > > words) to > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what matters > > > > and it matters more than anything else > > > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > > > is very bad poetry > > > > > Well, I do not think I am very good at poetry. > > BTW, where is Bill? > > What I meant by it doesn't matter is that if Marc did > not answer or write a few nice words in response to my > finding him beautiful it would not change anything. > > Noel > I don't know for SURE about you, but I know for SURE about me: it does matter if someone is nice to me or not. It matters A LOT! And when I pretend that it doesn't, I'm lying to myself and to others. And this pattern of pretending that others' way of treating others doesn't matter. That HUGE pattern is what breaks hearts, and breaks them in many many ways. Including heart attacks. Real bloody deadly medical heart attacks that matter to them and to everyone. And I'm saying this, and I'm saying this loud and clear because I need to hear it loud and clear. Because too many people are saying the exact opposite, loud and clear, and it HURTS! And I concider it a huge bloody lie. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- skywhilds <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > > <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > Noel > > > > > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of > > being > > > > > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning > > of a never > > > > > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by > > infinite > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who > > finds you > > > > > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few > > nice words) to > > > > > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not > > matter...I so > > > > > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what matters > > > > > > > > > > > > and it matters more than anything else > > > > > > > > > > > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > > > > > > > > > > > is very bad poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes... > > > > > > > > > > even if real being isn't embodied in > > names & forms... > > > > > > > > > > at least words should be embodied into > > " poetry " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real being is everything > > > > > > > > everything matters if real being > > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and here > > > > > > > > all that is being shared > > > > > > > > is feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feelings about everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you feel that nothing matters > > > > > > > > then you're a liar for making it > > > > > > > > matter that you have to say > > > > > > > > that it doesn't matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the lie matters > > > > > > > > because behind the lie > > > > > > > > is the feeling of rage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all lies conceal rage > > > > > > > > generally speaking > > > > > > > > > > > > you are indeed embodied.....in/by/for/from many > > > emotions....feelings..... > > > > > > thats nice.... > > > i think nobody could have any serious problems > > ( " rage " ... " lies " ...) > > > with that..... > > > > > > it's your world.... > > > > > > it's your personal kind of seeing.... > > > > > > it's your body and mind... > > > > > > it's your (whole) world... > > > > > > > > > but please don't mixe up.....real being.... > > > > > > with this your imaginary world..... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, ma man, > > > > > > you are indeed embodied.....in/by/for/from many > > emotions....feelings..... > > > > thats UNAVOIDABLE... > > i think nobody could have any serious problems > > ( " rage " ... " lies " ...) > > with that..... > > > > it's your world.... > > > > it's your personal kind of seeing.... > > > > it's your body and mind... > > > > it's your (whole) world... > > > > > > but please don't mix up.....real being.... > > > > with this your imaginary world..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and your imaginary world is that you are only beyond > > all this. You > > aren't. You are the totality of all of this, > > really. > > > > > > But when You say to me: > > > > " but please don't mix up.....real being.... > > > > with this your imaginary world..... " > > > > > > what's it to you? > > > > > > > > When I say same to you, what's it to me? > > > > I just don't like to see people suffer. > > > > How about you? > > > > If you're beyond suffering, what's it to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky, > > IF, you are angry why don't you write it out and send > it to the list. > > This can be done without personalizing it or directing > it at anyone on the list. > > Just a thought, > > Noel > Noel, I like your spirit of protectiveness. And if I were very angry, I would do that. But I'm not THAT angry. My anger is with myself, the people in my life who lie about their (not) feeling, and with my own naive beliefs about (not) feeling. But nice thought, Noel. You're endearing. Sky ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- skywhilds <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- skywhilds <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of > > a > > > > never > > > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by > > infinite > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who > > finds > > > > you > > > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice > > > > words) to > > > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I > > so > > > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what matters > > > > > > > > and it matters more than anything else > > > > > > > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > > > > > > > is very bad poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I do not think I am very good at poetry. > > > > > > BTW, where is Bill? > > > > > > What I meant by it doesn't matter is that if Marc > > did > > > not answer or write a few nice words in response > > to my > > > finding him beautiful it would not change > > anything. > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know for SURE about you, but I know for SURE > > about me: it > > does matter if someone is nice to me or not. It > > matters A LOT! And > > when I pretend that it doesn't, I'm lying to myself > > and to others. > > > > And this pattern of pretending that others' way of > > treating others > > doesn't matter. That HUGE pattern is what breaks > > hearts, and breaks > > them in many many ways. Including heart attacks. > > > > Real bloody deadly medical heart attacks that matter > > to them and to > > everyone. And I'm saying this, and I'm saying this > > loud and clear > > because I need to hear it loud and clear. > > > > Because too many people are saying the exact > > opposite, loud and clear, > > and it HURTS! And I concider it a huge bloody lie. > > > > > I hear you, Sky > > Sometimes, I think, it hurts so much that things get > distorted. > > In this particular case the point was unconditional > love. While reading Marc's words, I felt he is > beautiful and shared that feeling with him. I would > not be hurt if he did not say oh thank you, Noel, or > something similar. It would not change the feeling of > beauty I experienced while reading his words. > > Sometimes it hurts so much that people build huge > walls around themselves in an attempt to keep the hurt > out. And, yes, I agree and believe that many heart > attacks (and other illnesses) result. Sometimes it's > real hard not to angry and frustrated with people who > shut us out but it does not change them and as you > pointed out it can hurt us. > > Noel > > > I hope it matters to you that I am telling you that I appreciate what you just wrote. It feels good. ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- skywhilds <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Sky, > > > > > > IF, you are angry why don't you write it out and > > send > > > it to the list. > > > > > > This can be done without personalizing it or > > directing > > > it at anyone on the list. > > > > > > Just a thought, > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > Noel, > > > > I like your spirit of protectiveness. And if I were > > very angry, I > > would do that. But I'm not THAT angry. > > > > My anger is with myself, the people in my life who > > lie about their > > (not) feeling, and with my own naive beliefs about > > (not) feeling. > > > > But nice thought, Noel. You're endearing. > > > > Sky > > ~*~ > > > Thank you, Sky > > You reminded me of an occasion where I heard myself > blurting out in a steady stream of neatly packaged > words some anger I was not in touch with. It was in a > meeting and I noticed as I looked around me that one > or two had faint smiles on their faces but for the > most part there was a wide-eyed look of surprise. The > person who was really the most surprised was me. > After, I sat back and said Wow I did not know that was > in there and everyone laughed. When the meeting was > over a few called me and thanked me saying I had said > everything they had wanted to say and could not. > > You don't have to be THAT angry, Sky. After all the > subject of this thread is 'the end of delusion'... > > Noel > One of the problems with sharing personal feelings is that people often tend to respond with a parental attitude, which can be humiliating. So, in order to avoid that paternalism, one might take an aggressive, " I don't care what you think or feel " attitude. It might seem more self empowering. And power is related to personal dignity. We don't want to feel " less than " others. Do you know what I mean? ~*~ So, again, your nurturing attitude is good. But I feel it's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > > --- skywhilds <skywords wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- skywhilds <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > Sky, > > > > > > > > > > IF, you are angry why don't you write it out > > and > > > > send > > > > > it to the list. > > > > > > > > > > This can be done without personalizing it or > > > > directing > > > > > it at anyone on the list. > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought, > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel, > > > > > > > > I like your spirit of protectiveness. And if I > > were > > > > very angry, I > > > > would do that. But I'm not THAT angry. > > > > > > > > My anger is with myself, the people in my life > > who > > > > lie about their > > > > (not) feeling, and with my own naive beliefs > > about > > > > (not) feeling. > > > > > > > > But nice thought, Noel. You're endearing. > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > ~*~ > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Sky > > > > > > You reminded me of an occasion where I heard > > myself > > > blurting out in a steady stream of neatly packaged > > > words some anger I was not in touch with. It was > > in a > > > meeting and I noticed as I looked around me that > > one > > > or two had faint smiles on their faces but for the > > > most part there was a wide-eyed look of surprise. > > The > > > person who was really the most surprised was me. > > > After, I sat back and said Wow I did not know that > > was > > > in there and everyone laughed. When the meeting > > was > > > over a few called me and thanked me saying I had > > said > > > everything they had wanted to say and could not. > > > > > > You don't have to be THAT angry, Sky. After all > > the > > > subject of this thread is 'the end of delusion'... > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > One of the problems with sharing personal feelings > > is that people > > often tend to respond with a parental attitude, > > which can be > > humiliating. So, in order to avoid that > > paternalism, one might take > > an aggressive, " I don't care what you think or feel " > > attitude. It > > might seem more self empowering. > > > > And power is related to personal dignity. We don't > > want to feel " less > > than " others. > > > > Do you know what I mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ > > > > So, again, your nurturing attitude is good. But I > > feel it's > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Sky > > I do not feel or think about you as a parent would > about a child. Matter of fact, I would not feel or > think about a child the way most people seem too. > > In fact I recall being criticized by someone here for > a response I gave to Toombaru when he asked how to > respond to his son about something. (BTW, where is > Toombaru?) As I recall the person who harshly > criticized my response thought I expected too much of > the child who turned out to be about 38 years old but > no one knew the age at that time. > > From my point of view feeling less than others has > nothing to do with others, nor does personal power, or > dignity. > > Nurturing attitude is your perception of me, Sky. I > do not see myself as nurturing. Maybe that is just > part of *some* male expectation of women. I do not > know but I am not that kind of woman. > > Noel > OK, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Well, I do not think I am very good at poetry. BTW, where is Bill? Era: Bill left, so did Patricia. It is not easy for someone with brains to read 20 posts of couplings what could be done in privi and has nothing to do with Nisargadatta Era What I meant by it doesn't matter is that if Marc did not answer or write a few nice words in response to my finding him beautiful it would not change anything. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel > > > > > > > <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the end of being > > > > > > > > > body-mind-intellect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the end of delusion is the beginning of a never > > > > > > > > > ending ocean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovering Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...in a dream which is witnessed by infinite > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is it...who is it...just now, who finds you > > > > > > > > beautiful...and does it matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does it matter if i answer (write few nice words) to > > > > > > > you....or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is nice, but it does not matter...I so > > > > > > enjoyed the feeling... > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what matters > > > > > > > > > > and it matters more than anything else > > > > > > > > > > so the phrase " it does not matter " > > > > > > > > > > is very bad poetry > > > > > > > > > > > > yes... > > > > > > > > even if real being isn't embodied in names & forms... > > > > > > > > at least words should be embodied into " poetry " > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real being is everything > > > > > > everything matters if real being > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > and here > > > > > > all that is being shared > > > > > > is feeling > > > > > > > > > > > > feelings about everything > > > > > > > > > > > > if you feel that nothing matters > > > > > > then you're a liar for making it > > > > > > matter that you have to say > > > > > > that it doesn't matter > > > > > > > > > > > > and the lie matters > > > > > > because behind the lie > > > > > > is the feeling of rage > > > > > > > > > > > > all lies conceal rage > > > > > > generally speaking > > > > > > > > you are indeed embodied.....in/by/for/from many > > emotions....feelings..... > > > > thats nice.... > > i think nobody could have any serious problems ( " rage " ... " lies " ...) > > with that..... > > > > it's your world.... > > > > it's your personal kind of seeing.... > > > > it's your body and mind... > > > > it's your (whole) world... > > > > > > but please don't mixe up.....real being.... > > > > with this your imaginary world..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc, ma man, > > > you are indeed embodied.....in/by/for/from many > emotions....feelings..... > > thats UNAVOIDABLE... > i think nobody could have any serious problems ( " rage " ... " lies " ...) > with that..... > > it's your world.... > > it's your personal kind of seeing.... > > it's your body and mind... > > it's your (whole) world... > > > but please don't mix up.....real being.... > > with this your imaginary world..... hi Sky, you continue with this your personal view/concepts....of Oneness....or " totality " .....and.... and also your emotions....going with all this nice personal " views " .... maybe you allow me....to write few words about my view of things.... i don't need many emotions to write about..... and i don't feel angry when somebody love all this her/his nice emotions and feelings...... it make just no sense to be/come angry for whatever emotions happening in a world.... talking to you " here " ....is only possible to be in this your described " totality of world " ..... indeed....this world is full of emotions and feelings.... thats what " worlds " are about.... you talk about people who are suffering.... are there realy people in here...who are suffering much....? i don't think so.... when i read the messages.... i think many are trapped in the illusion to be " God " ...to be " enlightened " ....to be " this or that " ...... and yes.....people who don't live real Self......are suffering....for sure.....again and again .....and also same people....only can cause illusions around.....again and again..... and nothing else realy wish a nice day..... filled up with many nice and fantastic feelings.....means being in a world of emotions.... i will not realy be there.....don't worry.... Marc Ps: some people are soo much busy with the " world " ...that they have even no time....to feel the love of " God " ..... to feel their real inner being.... to just be....free....and empty.....of fantastic illusions > > and your imaginary world is that you are only beyond all this. You > aren't. You are the totality of all of this, really. > > > But when You say to me: > > " but please don't mix up.....real being.... > > with this your imaginary world..... " > > > what's it to you? > > > > When I say same to you, what's it to me? > > I just don't like to see people suffer. > > How about you? > > If you're beyond suffering, what's it to you? > > > > > > > > > > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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