Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 -------- In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the longing for what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving solid and persists and is the source of time. -------- I am the space the story is played out within, but all I can see is the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except sometimes I notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, the ego. But the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They are both the product of the head, not the heart. ------- I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can notice. That which does notice is not the aware space. That which can notice is the aware space. Duality is a viewer and something to view. If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or both at once, and there is no duality. -------- Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > -------- > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the longing for > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving solid and > persists and is the source of time. > > -------- > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I can see is > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except sometimes I > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, the ego. But > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They are both the > product of the head, not the heart. > > ------- > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can notice. That > which does notice is not the aware space. That which can notice is > the aware space. > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or both at once, > and there is no duality. > > -------- > Stu > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my heart, will I be beyond duality? Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and gentle heart? Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> wrote: > > > > -------- > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the longing for > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving solid and > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > -------- > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I can see is > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except sometimes I > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, the ego. But > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They are both the > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > ------- > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can notice. That > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which can notice is > > the aware space. > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or both at once, > > and there is no duality. > > > > -------- > > Stu > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my heart, will I > be beyond duality? > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and gentle heart? > > > Sky > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the mind will never understand... the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > > > -------- > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the longing > for > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving solid > and > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > -------- > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I can see > is > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except > sometimes I > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, the ego. > But > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They are > both the > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > ------- > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can notice. > That > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which can notice > is > > > the aware space. > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or both at > once, > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > -------- > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my heart, will > I > > be beyond duality? > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and gentle heart? > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the > mind will never understand... > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > Anna > how do we betray our heart? blindly, the heart loves and lives with two or more beloveds. when one or more depart, following, the heart breaks apart. Sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the longing > > for > > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving solid > > and > > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I can see > > is > > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except > > sometimes I > > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, the ego. > > But > > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They are > > both the > > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can notice. > > That > > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which can notice > > is > > > > the aware space. > > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or both at > > once, > > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my heart, will > > I > > > be beyond duality? > > > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and gentle heart? > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the > > mind will never understand... > > > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > > > Anna > > > > > how do we betray our heart? > > > blindly, the heart loves > > and lives with > > two or more > > beloveds. > > > when one or more depart, > > following, > > > the heart breaks > > > > apart. > > > > Sky > endlessly breaking breaking apart who will mend the broken heart? .... who will fall in love again. when the earth is saturated with the falling sky.... love, earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > <stuartkfmn@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the > longing > > > for > > > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving > solid > > > and > > > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I can > see > > > is > > > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except > > > sometimes I > > > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, the > ego. > > > But > > > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They are > > > both the > > > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can > notice. > > > That > > > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which can > notice > > > is > > > > > the aware space. > > > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or both > at > > > once, > > > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my heart, > will > > > I > > > > be beyond duality? > > > > > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and gentle > heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the > > > mind will never understand... > > > > > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > how do we betray our heart? > > > > > > blindly, the heart loves > > > > and lives with > > > > two or more > > > > beloveds. > > > > > > when one or more depart, > > > > following, > > > > > > the heart breaks > > > > > > > > apart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > endlessly breaking > breaking apart > > who will mend the broken heart? > > ... who will fall in love again. > > when the earth is saturated with > the falling sky.... > > > love, > earth > let there be only one and only one Beloved: The Warm and Gentle Heart ? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the > > longing > > > > for > > > > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving > > solid > > > > and > > > > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I can > > see > > > > is > > > > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except > > > > sometimes I > > > > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, the > > ego. > > > > But > > > > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They are > > > > both the > > > > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can > > notice. > > > > That > > > > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which can > > notice > > > > is > > > > > > the aware space. > > > > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or both > > at > > > > once, > > > > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my heart, > > will > > > > I > > > > > be beyond duality? > > > > > > > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and gentle > > heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the > > > > mind will never understand... > > > > > > > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do we betray our heart? > > > > > > > > > blindly, the heart loves > > > > > > and lives with > > > > > > two or more > > > > > > beloveds. > > > > > > > > > when one or more depart, > > > > > > following, > > > > > > > > > the heart breaks > > > > > > > > > > > > apart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > endlessly breaking > > breaking apart > > > > who will mend the broken heart? > > > > ... who will fall in love again. > > > > when the earth is saturated with > > the falling sky.... > > > > > > love, > > earth > > > > > let there be only > > one and > > only > > one > > > Beloved: > > > > The Warm and > > Gentle Heart by Amanda McBrooom from the soundtrack to " The Rose " As sung by Bette Midler Some say love, it is a river that drowns the tender reed. Some say love, it is a razor that leaves your soul to bleed. Some say love, it is a hunger, an endless aching need. I say love, it is a flower, and you its only seed. It's the heart afraid of breaking that never learns to dance. It's the dream afraid of waking that never takes the chance. It's the one who won't be taken, who cannot seem to give, and the soul afraid of dyin' that never learns to live. When the night has been too lonely and the road has been too long, and you think that love is only for the lucky and the strong, just remember in the winter far beneath the bitter snows lies the seed that with the sun's love in the spring becomes the rose. (and the rose forgives herself for her thorns) love, Anna > > > ? > > > > > > > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the > > > longing > > > > > for > > > > > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving > > > solid > > > > > and > > > > > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I > can > > > see > > > > > is > > > > > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except > > > > > sometimes I > > > > > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, > the > > > ego. > > > > > But > > > > > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They > are > > > > > both the > > > > > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can > > > notice. > > > > > That > > > > > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which > can > > > notice > > > > > is > > > > > > > the aware space. > > > > > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > > > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or > both > > > at > > > > > once, > > > > > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my > heart, > > > will > > > > > I > > > > > > be beyond duality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and > gentle > > > heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the > > > > > mind will never understand... > > > > > > > > > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do we betray our heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > blindly, the heart loves > > > > > > > > and lives with > > > > > > > > two or more > > > > > > > > beloveds. > > > > > > > > > > > > when one or more depart, > > > > > > > > following, > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart breaks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endlessly breaking > > > breaking apart > > > > > > who will mend the broken heart? > > > > > > ... who will fall in love again. > > > > > > when the earth is saturated with > > > the falling sky.... > > > > > > > > > love, > > > earth > > > > > > > > > let there be only > > > > one and > > > > only > > > > one > > > > > > Beloved: > > > > > > > > The Warm and > > > > Gentle Heart > > > > by Amanda McBrooom > from the soundtrack to " The Rose " > > As sung by Bette Midler > > > Some say love, it is a river > that drowns the tender reed. > Some say love, it is a razor > that leaves your soul to bleed. > Some say love, it is a hunger, > an endless aching need. > I say love, it is a flower, > and you its only seed. > > It's the heart afraid of breaking > that never learns to dance. > It's the dream afraid of waking > that never takes the chance. > It's the one who won't be taken, > who cannot seem to give, > and the soul afraid of dyin' > that never learns to live. > > When the night has been too lonely > and the road has been too long, > and you think that love is only > for the lucky and the strong, > just remember in the winter > far beneath the bitter snows > lies the seed that with the sun's love > in the spring becomes the rose. > > > > > > (and the rose forgives herself for her thorns) > love, > Anna > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > and then there's actual love about which no one sings .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Other than the last two lines at the bottom of this thread, non of what you guys said makes any sense to me. If what you want to get out of your quest for enlightenment is romantic love between two people, than to me it sounds like you idea of enlightenment is duality! Romantic love is yin and yang. When I said the word heart, I was not talking about romance, I was simply referring to a symbolic center of self. The egoic need for romance has nothing to do with it. Stu Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the > > > > longing > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving > > > > solid > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I > > can > > > > see > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except > > > > > > sometimes I > > > > > > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, > > the > > > > ego. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They > > are > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can > > > > notice. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which > > can > > > > notice > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the aware space. > > > > > > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > > > > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or > > both > > > > at > > > > > > once, > > > > > > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my > > heart, > > > > will > > > > > > I > > > > > > > be beyond duality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and > > gentle > > > > heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the > > > > > > mind will never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do we betray our heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blindly, the heart loves > > > > > > > > > > and lives with > > > > > > > > > > two or more > > > > > > > > > > beloveds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when one or more depart, > > > > > > > > > > following, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart breaks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endlessly breaking > > > > breaking apart > > > > > > > > who will mend the broken heart? > > > > > > > > ... who will fall in love again. > > > > > > > > when the earth is saturated with > > > > the falling sky.... > > > > > > > > > > > > love, > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > let there be only > > > > > > one and > > > > > > only > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > Beloved: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Warm and > > > > > > Gentle Heart > > > > > > > > by Amanda McBrooom > > from the soundtrack to " The Rose " > > > > As sung by Bette Midler > > > > > > Some say love, it is a river > > that drowns the tender reed. > > Some say love, it is a razor > > that leaves your soul to bleed. > > Some say love, it is a hunger, > > an endless aching need. > > I say love, it is a flower, > > and you its only seed. > > > > It's the heart afraid of breaking > > that never learns to dance. > > It's the dream afraid of waking > > that never takes the chance. > > It's the one who won't be taken, > > who cannot seem to give, > > and the soul afraid of dyin' > > that never learns to live. > > > > When the night has been too lonely > > and the road has been too long, > > and you think that love is only > > for the lucky and the strong, > > just remember in the winter > > far beneath the bitter snows > > lies the seed that with the sun's love > > in the spring becomes the rose. > > > > > > > > > > > > (and the rose forgives herself for her thorns) > > love, > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > and then there's actual love > > about which no one sings > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Dearest Stu, Universal Love, the center of Self, the heart and soul of humanity, so to speak, includes all, including human romantic love as well as agape, etc. etc. etc. It is in the rising and descending of the ever-present kundalini. Do you FEEL it? If 'you' don't 'you' are speaking words, dearOne that have no substance. IMHI. Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn wrote: > > Other than the last two lines at the bottom of this thread, non of > what you guys said makes any sense to me. > If what you want to get out of your quest for enlightenment is > romantic love between two people, than to me it sounds like you idea > of enlightenment is duality! Romantic love is yin and yang. > > When I said the word heart, I was not talking about romance, I was > simply referring to a symbolic center of self. The egoic need for > romance has nothing to do with it. > > Stu > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for and the > > > > > longing > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is unmoving > > > > > solid > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but all I > > > can > > > > > see > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… Except > > > > > > > sometimes I > > > > > > > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the story, > > > the > > > > > ego. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same ego. They > > > are > > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which can > > > > > notice. > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That which > > > can > > > > > notice > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the aware space. > > > > > > > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > > > > > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with neither or > > > both > > > > > at > > > > > > > once, > > > > > > > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in my > > > heart, > > > > > will > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > be beyond duality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm and > > > gentle > > > > > heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which the > > > > > > > mind will never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do we betray our heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blindly, the heart loves > > > > > > > > > > > > and lives with > > > > > > > > > > > > two or more > > > > > > > > > > > > beloveds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when one or more depart, > > > > > > > > > > > > following, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart breaks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endlessly breaking > > > > > breaking apart > > > > > > > > > > who will mend the broken heart? > > > > > > > > > > ... who will fall in love again. > > > > > > > > > > when the earth is saturated with > > > > > the falling sky.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love, > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let there be only > > > > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > Beloved: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Warm and > > > > > > > > Gentle Heart > > > > > > > > > > > > by Amanda McBrooom > > > from the soundtrack to " The Rose " > > > > > > As sung by Bette Midler > > > > > > > > > Some say love, it is a river > > > that drowns the tender reed. > > > Some say love, it is a razor > > > that leaves your soul to bleed. > > > Some say love, it is a hunger, > > > an endless aching need. > > > I say love, it is a flower, > > > and you its only seed. > > > > > > It's the heart afraid of breaking > > > that never learns to dance. > > > It's the dream afraid of waking > > > that never takes the chance. > > > It's the one who won't be taken, > > > who cannot seem to give, > > > and the soul afraid of dyin' > > > that never learns to live. > > > > > > When the night has been too lonely > > > and the road has been too long, > > > and you think that love is only > > > for the lucky and the strong, > > > just remember in the winter > > > far beneath the bitter snows > > > lies the seed that with the sun's love > > > in the spring becomes the rose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (and the rose forgives herself for her thorns) > > > love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then there's actual love > > > > about which no one sings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Dearest Stu, > > Universal Love, the center of Self, the heart and soul of humanity, > so to speak, includes all, including human romantic love as well as > agape, etc. etc. etc. > > It is in the rising and descending of the ever-present kundalini. > Do you FEEL it? > > If 'you' don't 'you' are speaking words, dearOne that have no > substance. IMHI. > First... sorry I screwed up the order of the posts on this thread:-) You feel this far more fully than I do... I sense no throbing or rising and decending of a life energy. I feel a spacious silence... Please say more about this " kundalini " that I have never felt? It sounds beautiful... but beautiful things are often lures at the end of a fishing line... Understand that I am starting from the belief that Kundalini is a phenomenon that occurs within duality and within the human nervious system...? Stu > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " <stuartkfmn@> > wrote: > > > > Other than the last two lines at the bottom of this thread, non of > > what you guys said makes any sense to me. > > If what you want to get out of your quest for enlightenment is > > romantic love between two people, than to me it sounds like you > idea > > of enlightenment is duality! Romantic love is yin and yang. > > > > When I said the word heart, I was not talking about romance, I was > > simply referring to a symbolic center of self. The egoic need for > > romance has nothing to do with it. > > > > Stu > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " > <skywords@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " stuartkfmn " > > > > > > <stuartkfmn@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > In duality I am the fear for what is longed for > and the > > > > > > longing > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > what is feared. That sets up a problem that is > unmoving > > > > > > solid > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > persists and is the source of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > I am the space the story is played out within, but > all I > > > > can > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the story so that is what I identify with as me… > Except > > > > > > > > sometimes I > > > > > > > > > > notice that I am inspecting the one who is the > story, > > > > the > > > > > > ego. > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > the watcher and the watched are both the same > ego. They > > > > are > > > > > > > > both the > > > > > > > > > > product of the head, not the heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > I mistake that which is noticeable for that which > can > > > > > > notice. > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > which does notice is not the aware space. That > which > > > > can > > > > > > notice > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the aware space. > > > > > > > > > > Duality is a viewer and something to view. > > > > > > > > > > If one is gone both are gone. Identify with > neither or > > > > both > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > once, > > > > > > > > > > and there is no duality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I listen to my heart, feel my heart, live in > my > > > > heart, > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > be beyond duality? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the truly nondual person the one with the warm > and > > > > gentle > > > > > > heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart knows intimately and immediately that which > the > > > > > > > > mind will never understand... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart is always willing to be misunderstood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how do we betray our heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blindly, the heart loves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lives with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two or more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beloveds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when one or more depart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the heart breaks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > endlessly breaking > > > > > > breaking apart > > > > > > > > > > > > who will mend the broken heart? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... who will fall in love again. > > > > > > > > > > > > when the earth is saturated with > > > > > > the falling sky.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love, > > > > > > earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let there be only > > > > > > > > > > one and > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beloved: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Warm and > > > > > > > > > > Gentle Heart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Amanda McBrooom > > > > from the soundtrack to " The Rose " > > > > > > > > As sung by Bette Midler > > > > > > > > > > > > Some say love, it is a river > > > > that drowns the tender reed. > > > > Some say love, it is a razor > > > > that leaves your soul to bleed. > > > > Some say love, it is a hunger, > > > > an endless aching need. > > > > I say love, it is a flower, > > > > and you its only seed. > > > > > > > > It's the heart afraid of breaking > > > > that never learns to dance. > > > > It's the dream afraid of waking > > > > that never takes the chance. > > > > It's the one who won't be taken, > > > > who cannot seem to give, > > > > and the soul afraid of dyin' > > > > that never learns to live. > > > > > > > > When the night has been too lonely > > > > and the road has been too long, > > > > and you think that love is only > > > > for the lucky and the strong, > > > > just remember in the winter > > > > far beneath the bitter snows > > > > lies the seed that with the sun's love > > > > in the spring becomes the rose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (and the rose forgives herself for her thorns) > > > > love, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then there's actual love > > > > > > about which no one sings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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