Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..> > wrote: > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about your > > self. > > > (517) > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. That is > > all > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you help > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name and > > shape > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of our > > being > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > Where is the exit ? > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me to > > step inside ? > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul, > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than to > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking a > look > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words, > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror into > > yours ? > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > and " the > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " ) for > an > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so called > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow of > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > from my body into yours ? > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > (not nothing-ness) ... > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not duality) > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the clouds....if > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to someone > that you love deeply with all your heart... > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that nothing- > ness... > ... > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't see my nothing-ness in you. > > Lu > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- ....find your own nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not really your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s is...it is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the sky...you are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if you know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind blows... ~~~~ assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, from one cloud into another ? Lulu Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about your > > > self. > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. That > is > > > all > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you help > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name and > > > shape > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of > our > > > being > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me > to > > > step inside ? > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul, > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than to > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking a > > look > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words, > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror into > > > yours ? > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > and " the > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " ) > for > > an > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > called > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow of > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not duality) > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the clouds....if > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > someone > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > nothing- > > ness... > > ... > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > Lu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > ...find your own > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not really > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s is...it > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the sky...you > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if you > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > blows... > > > ~~~~ > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > from one cloud into another ? > > Lulu > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two nothingnesses... .... 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Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about your > > > self. > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. That > is > > > all > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you help > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name and > > > shape > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of > our > > > being > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me > to > > > step inside ? > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul, > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than to > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking a > > look > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words, > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror into > > > yours ? > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > and " the > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " ) > for > > an > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > called > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow of > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not duality) > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the clouds....if > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > someone > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > nothing- > > ness... > > ... > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > Lu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > ...find your own > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not really > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s is...it > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the sky...you > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if you > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > blows... > > > ~~~~ > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > from one cloud into another ? > > Lulu > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- the sky does not do anything about the clouds... and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two nothingnesses. .. .... 1 nothingness 2 nothingnesses 3 nothingnesseses 4 nothingnesseseses LOL, and your I am is the same as my I am ? Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) And why can't we move from one body into another ? Lu Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about > your > > > > self. > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > That > > is > > > > all > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you > help > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name > and > > > > shape > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of > > our > > > > being > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me > > to > > > > step inside ? > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul, > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than > to > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking > a > > > look > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words, > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > into > > > > yours ? > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > > and " the > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " ) > > for > > > an > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > > called > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow > of > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > duality) > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > clouds....if > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > someone > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > nothing- > > > ness... > > > ... > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > ...find your own > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not > really > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > is...it > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > sky...you > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if > you > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > blows... > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > Lulu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two nothingnesses. .. > ... > > 1 nothingness > 2 nothingnesses > 3 nothingnesseses > 4 nothingnesseseses > LOL, > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > Lu > > > the I am is not located in the body... the body is in the I am... all is in the I am...in nothingness... .... 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Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about > your > > > > self. > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > That > > is > > > > all > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you > help > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name > and > > > > shape > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of > > our > > > > being > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me > > to > > > > step inside ? > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul, > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than > to > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking > a > > > look > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words, > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > into > > > > yours ? > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > > and " the > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " ) > > for > > > an > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > > called > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow > of > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > duality) > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > clouds....if > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > someone > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > nothing- > > > ness... > > > ... > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > ...find your own > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not > really > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > is...it > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > sky...you > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if > you > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > blows... > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two nothingnesses... nice words yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on the life of appearing " others " ..... are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to be/come ocean.... it's a funny thing.....without any serious background (nothingness) but thats....again......what the world Is about..... it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... 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Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about > your > > > > self. > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > That > > is > > > > all > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you > help > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name > and > > > > shape > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of > > our > > > > being > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me > > to > > > > step inside ? > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul, > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than > to > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking > a > > > look > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words, > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > into > > > > yours ? > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > > and " the > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " ) > > for > > > an > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > > called > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow > of > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > duality) > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > clouds....if > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > someone > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > nothing- > > > ness... > > > ... > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > ...find your own > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not > really > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > is...it > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > sky...you > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if > you > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > blows... > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > Lulu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two nothingnesses. .. > ... > > 1 nothingness > 2 nothingnesses > 3 nothingnesseses > 4 nothingnesseseses > LOL, > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > Lu > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- the I am is not located in the body... the body is in the I am... all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. .... ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are in nothingness ... ? 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Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are > the > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about > > your > > > > > self. > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > > That > > > is > > > > > all > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you > > help > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name > > and > > > > > shape > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root > of > > > our > > > > > being > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for > me > > > to > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > soul, > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than > > to > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking > > a > > > > look > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > words, > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > > into > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > > > and " the > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " ) > > > for > > > > an > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is > pure > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > > > called > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow > > of > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > duality) > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > clouds....if > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > > someone > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > > nothing- > > > > ness... > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > understand > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > write > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > don't > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > ...find your own > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not > > really > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > is...it > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > sky...you > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with > one > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if > > you > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two nothingnesses... > > > > nice words > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on the > life of appearing " others " ..... > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to be/come > ocean.... > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background (nothingness) > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > Marc > in that absolute nothingness all that Is reality imagines itself... to be. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You > are > > the > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > about > > > your > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > > > That > > > > is > > > > > > all > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not > help > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others > you > > > help > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in > name > > > and > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > root > > of > > > > our > > > > > > being > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough > for > > me > > > > to > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > > soul, > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > than > > > to > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > taking > > > a > > > > > look > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > > words, > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > > > into > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > looker " > > > > > and " the > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > called " looker " ) > > > > for > > > > > an > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is > > pure > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the > so > > > > called > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > flow > > > of > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > travel > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not > a > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > part > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > clouds....if > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > > > someone > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > > > nothing- > > > > > ness... > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > understand > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > > write > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > > don't > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > ...find your own > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its > not > > > really > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > > is...it > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say > Im > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > sky...you > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > nothingness. ..the > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > this > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with > > one > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure > if > > > you > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two > nothingnesses... > > > > > > > > nice words > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on the > > life of appearing " others " ..... > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to > be/come > > ocean.... > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background (nothingness) > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > in that absolute nothingness > all that Is reality > imagines itself... > > to be. > > ;-) ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations... about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and so on...... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are > the > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about > > your > > > > > self. > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > > That > > > is > > > > > all > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not > help > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you > > help > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name > > and > > > > > shape > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root > of > > > our > > > > > being > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for > me > > > to > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > soul, > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > than > > to > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > taking > > a > > > > look > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > words, > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > > into > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > > > and " the > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > called " looker " ) > > > for > > > > an > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is > pure > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > > > called > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > flow > > of > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > duality) > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > clouds....if > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > > someone > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > > nothing- > > > > ness... > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > understand > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > write > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > don't > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > ...find your own > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not > > really > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > is...it > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say > Im > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > sky...you > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > this > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with > one > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure > if > > you > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two > nothingnesses. .. > > ... > > > > 1 nothingness > > 2 nothingnesses > > 3 nothingnesseses > > 4 nothingnesseseses > > LOL, > > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > > > Lu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > the I am is not located in the body... > the body is in the I am... > all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. > ... > > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are in nothingness ... > > > ? Lu > > > yes...all bodies are in nothingness... but nothingness is not a thing... and (the) no-thing can not move... why do you want to reduse nothingness to mere movements between bodies ? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You > > are > > > the > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > > about > > > > your > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you > don't. > > > > That > > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not > > help > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others > > you > > > > help > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in > > name > > > > and > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > > root > > > of > > > > > our > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, > Lulu > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough > > for > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > > > soul, > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > > than > > > > to > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > > taking > > > > a > > > > > > look > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > > > words, > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my > mirror > > > > into > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- metaphor. .. > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > > looker " > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > called " looker " ) > > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is > > > pure > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the > > so > > > > > called > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > > flow > > > > of > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > > travel > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is > not > > a > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger > or > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > > part > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > > > > someone > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > > understand > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > > > write > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > > > don't > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its > > not > > > > really > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > > > is...it > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you > say > > Im > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > > sky...you > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > > this > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification > with > > > one > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > treasure > > if > > > > you > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every > cloud > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two > > nothingnesses... > > > > > > > > > > > > nice words > > > > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on the > > > life of appearing " others " ..... > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to > > be/come > > > ocean.... > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background > (nothingness) > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > in that absolute nothingness > > all that Is reality > > imagines itself... > > > > to be. > > > > ;-) > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations... > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and so > on...... > > > > Marc > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live in is held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the soul. .... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get busy, recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that begets war that begets all the ills of the world. The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I have much more to say, let that suffice for today. IMHI. Love and Peace, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are > the > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about > > your > > > > > self. > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > > That > > > is > > > > > all > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not > help > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you > > help > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name > > and > > > > > shape > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root > of > > > our > > > > > being > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for > me > > > to > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > soul, > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > than > > to > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > taking > > a > > > > look > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > words, > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > > into > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker " > > > > and " the > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > called " looker " ) > > > for > > > > an > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is > pure > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so > > > called > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > flow > > of > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > duality) > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > clouds....if > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > > someone > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > > nothing- > > > > ness... > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > understand > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > write > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > don't > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > ...find your own > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not > > really > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > is...it > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say > Im > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > sky...you > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > this > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with > one > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure > if > > you > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two > nothingnesses. .. > > ... > > > > 1 nothingness > > 2 nothingnesses > > 3 nothingnesseses > > 4 nothingnesseseses > > LOL, > > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > > > Lu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > the I am is not located in the body... > the body is in the I am... > all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. > ... > > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are in nothingness ... > > > ? Lu > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- yes...all bodies are in nothingness. .. but nothingness is not a thing... and (the) no-thing can not move... why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between bodies ? .... I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between bodies. Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it. That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes, but through the eyes of all others. Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody. The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud. And I want every cloud to understand the sky. I want everybody to understand nothingness. For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky understands every cloud. But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no difference between me and them, and that there is no difference between any one cloud and another. That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one body into another, or how to move nothingness's awareness from one body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ... When moving nothingness's awareness from one body into another, there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there, I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and everybody. The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another, is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness's bodies and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are. Lulu Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. > You > > > are > > > > the > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > > > about > > > > > your > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you > > don't. > > > > > That > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do > not > > > help > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping > others > > > you > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; > in > > > name > > > > > and > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > > > root > > > > of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, > > Lulu > > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded > enough > > > for > > > > me > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my > travelling > > > > soul, > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do > more > > > than > > > > > to > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > > > taking > > > > > a > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own > deluded > > > > words, > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my > > mirror > > > > > into > > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- > metaphor. .. > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > > > looker " > > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > > for > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it > is > > > > pure > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in > being...the > > > so > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a > natural > > > flow > > > > > of > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > > > travel > > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > (something). .. > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness > (not > > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is > > not > > > a > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming > bigger > > or > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > > > part > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or > to > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be > that > > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > > > understand > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed > to > > > > write > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. > I > > > > don't > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... > its > > > not > > > > > really > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes > s > > > > > is...it > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you > > say > > > Im > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > > > sky...you > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in > openness...but > > > this > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification > > with > > > > one > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > > treasure > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud > less... > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the > wind > > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every > > cloud > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two > > > nothingnesses... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice words > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on > the > > > > life of appearing " others " ..... > > > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to > > > be/come > > > > ocean.... > > > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background > > (nothingness) > > > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that absolute nothingness > > > all that Is reality > > > imagines itself... > > > > > > to be. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations... > > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and so > > on...... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live in is > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the soul. > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get busy, > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that > begets war that begets all the ills of the world. > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I have > much more to say, let that suffice for today. > > IMHI. > > Love and Peace, > Anna > .... " the hands of God " .....yes.... but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem to be different....in different (ego) minds.... whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open the door to a nice " heaven " ..... then there is nothingness...... ..... awareness rising...... the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " in inner peace*..... and Anna, ......the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at.... wish you to get healthy Marc *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this your " hands of God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. > > You > > > > are > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > > > > about > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you > > > don't. > > > > > > That > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do > > not > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping > > others > > > > you > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; > > in > > > > name > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At > the > > > > root > > > > > of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, > > > Lulu > > > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded > > enough > > > > for > > > > > me > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my > > travelling > > > > > soul, > > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do > > more > > > > than > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other > body > > > > taking > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own > > deluded > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my > > > mirror > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- > > metaphor. .. > > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > > > > looker " > > > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a > thing...it > > is > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in > > being...the > > > > so > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a > > natural > > > > flow > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > > > > travel > > > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > > (something). .. > > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness > > (not > > > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it > is > > > not > > > > a > > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming > > bigger > > > or > > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body > is > > > > part > > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet > mucis...or > > to > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be > > that > > > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > > > > understand > > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed > > to > > > > > write > > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to > say. > > I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... > > its > > > > not > > > > > > really > > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an > object...nothingnes > > s > > > > > > is...it > > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when > you > > > say > > > > Im > > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > > > > sky...you > > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in > > openness...but > > > > this > > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification > > > with > > > > > one > > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > > > treasure > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud > > less... > > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the > > wind > > > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my > clouds, > > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every > > > cloud > > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two > > > > nothingnesses... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on > > the > > > > > life of appearing " others " ..... > > > > > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to > > > > be/come > > > > > ocean.... > > > > > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background > > > (nothingness) > > > > > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > > > > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that absolute nothingness > > > > all that Is reality > > > > imagines itself... > > > > > > > > to be. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations... > > > > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and so > > > on...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live in is > > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the > soul. > > > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get > busy, > > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that > > begets war that begets all the ills of the world. > > > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I have > > much more to say, let that suffice for today. > > > > IMHI. > > > > Love and Peace, > > Anna > > > > ... " the hands of God " .....yes.... > > but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem to be > different....in different (ego) minds.... > > whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open the > door to a nice " heaven " ..... > > then there is nothingness...... > .... awareness rising...... > > the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " in > inner peace*..... > > > > and Anna, > > > .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at.... > > wish you to get healthy > > > > Marc > > > *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this your " hands of > God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things > Dearest Marc, Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced and am experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be deemed lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner peace involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful " and seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so-called normal folks. Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of us. Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect world in our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all around us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE SKILLFUL MEANS OF GOD. GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM. Love, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You > are > > the > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > about > > > your > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > > > That > > > > is > > > > > > all > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not > > help > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others > you > > > help > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in > name > > > and > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > root > > of > > > > our > > > > > > being > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough > for > > me > > > > to > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > > soul, > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > > than > > > to > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > > taking > > > a > > > > > look > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > > words, > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > > > into > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > looker " > > > > > and " the > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > called " looker " ) > > > > for > > > > > an > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is > > pure > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the > so > > > > called > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > > flow > > > of > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > travel > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not > a > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > part > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > clouds....if > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > > > someone > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > > > nothing- > > > > > ness... > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > understand > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > > write > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > > don't > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > ...find your own > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its > not > > > really > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > > is...it > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say > > Im > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > sky...you > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > nothingness. ..the > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > > this > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with > > one > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure > > if > > > you > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two > > nothingnesses. .. > > > ... > > > > > > 1 nothingness > > > 2 nothingnesses > > > 3 nothingnesseses > > > 4 nothingnesseseses > > > LOL, > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > > > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > the I am is not located in the body... > > the body is in the I am... > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. > > ... > > > > > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... > > > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are in > nothingness ... > > > > > > ? Lu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. .. > but nothingness is not a thing... > and (the) no-thing can not move... > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > bodies ? > ... > > > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between bodies. > > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it. > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes, > but through the eyes of all others. > > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody. > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud. > And I want every cloud to understand the sky. > I want everybody to understand nothingness. > > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky understands every cloud. > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no difference between me and them, and that there is no difference between any one cloud and another. > > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one body into another, or how to move nothingness's awareness from one body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ... > > When moving nothingness's awareness from one body into another, there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there, I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and everybody. > > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another, is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness's bodies and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are. > > > Lulu > > > > > yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds so they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a lot... what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ? what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents nothingness...or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is working on the improvement-plan or trying to keep up with the good stuff and avoiding the fear-down...its a struggle-road...any moment something can change the whole cloud-world...its very rear to find a real happy cloud...anyway... you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can know who they are....nothings wrong with anything....but a question.... if nothingness is nothingness...it looks like it is impossible for (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is the doer ? .... 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Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search > for. > > > You > > > > > are > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you > have > > > > > about > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but > you > > > > don't. > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you > do > > > not > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping > > > others > > > > > you > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is > myself; > > > in > > > > > name > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At > > the > > > > > root > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry > Katz, > > > > Lulu > > > > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded > > > enough > > > > > for > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my > > > travelling > > > > > > soul, > > > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to > do > > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other > > body > > > > > taking > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own > > > deluded > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through > my > > > > mirror > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- > > > metaphor. .. > > > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation > between " a > > > > > looker " > > > > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a > > thing...it > > > is > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in > > > being...the > > > > > so > > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a > > > natural > > > > > flow > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what > is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is > can > > > > > travel > > > > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > > > (something). .. > > > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in > oneness > > > (not > > > > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no > body...it > > is > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming > > > bigger > > > > or > > > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your > body > > is > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet > > mucis...or > > > to > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will > be > > > that > > > > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I > don't > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is > supposed > > > to > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to > > say. > > > I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest > beingness... > > > its > > > > > not > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an > > object...nothingnes > > > s > > > > > > > is...it > > > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when > > you > > > > say > > > > > Im > > > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in > the > > > > > > > sky...you > > > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > > > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in > > > openness...but > > > > > this > > > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is > identification > > > > with > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > > > > treasure > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another > cloud... > > > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud > > > less... > > > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the > > > wind > > > > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my > > clouds, > > > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be > every > > > > cloud > > > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into > another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move > you, > > > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two > > > > > nothingnesses... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence > on > > > the > > > > > > life of appearing " others " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops > to > > > > > be/come > > > > > > ocean.... > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background > > > > (nothingness) > > > > > > > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that absolute nothingness > > > > > all that Is reality > > > > > imagines itself... > > > > > > > > > > to be. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations... > > > > > > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and > so > > > > on...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live > in is > > > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the > > soul. > > > > > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get > > busy, > > > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that > > > begets war that begets all the ills of the world. > > > > > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I > have > > > much more to say, let that suffice for today. > > > > > > IMHI. > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > Anna > > > > > > > ... " the hands of God " .....yes.... > > > > but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem to > be > > different....in different (ego) minds.... > > > > whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open the > > door to a nice " heaven " ..... > > > > then there is nothingness...... > > .... awareness rising...... > > > > the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " in > > inner peace*..... > > > > > > > > and Anna, > > > > > > .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at.... > > > > wish you to get healthy > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this your " hands of > > God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things > > > > > > Dearest Marc, > > Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced and am > experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be deemed > lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner peace > involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful " and > seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and > destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so-called > normal folks. > > Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of us. > Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect world in > our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all around > us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE SKILLFUL > MEANS OF GOD. > > GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM. > > Love, > Anna ok..... i have no problems with your perception of the " world " ....and of " God " ..... if you feel to do/think/act....this your described path.....please go on.......it will surely give you more and more....inner peace Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search > > for. > > > > You > > > > > > are > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you > > have > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but > > you > > > > > don't. > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth > you > > do > > > > not > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping > > > > others > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is > > myself; > > > > in > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. > At > > > the > > > > > > root > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry > > Katz, > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded > > > > enough > > > > > > for > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my > > > > travelling > > > > > > > soul, > > > > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to > > do > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other > > > body > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own > > > > deluded > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through > > my > > > > > mirror > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- > > > > metaphor. .. > > > > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation > > between " a > > > > > > looker " > > > > > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a > > > thing...it > > > > is > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in > > > > being...the > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a > > > > natural > > > > > > flow > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what > > is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is > > can > > > > > > travel > > > > > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > > > > (something). .. > > > > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in > > oneness > > > > (not > > > > > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no > > body...it > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming > > > > bigger > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your > > body > > > is > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and > the > > > > > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet > > > mucis...or > > > > to > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will > > be > > > > that > > > > > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I > > don't > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is > > supposed > > > > to > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to > > > say. > > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest > > beingness... > > > > its > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an > > > object...nothingnes > > > > s > > > > > > > > is...it > > > > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the > case...when > > > you > > > > > say > > > > > > Im > > > > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in > > the > > > > > > > > sky...you > > > > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > > > > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in > > > > openness...but > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is > > identification > > > > > with > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > > > > > treasure > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another > > cloud... > > > > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud > > > > less... > > > > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever > the > > > > wind > > > > > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my > > > clouds, > > > > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be > > every > > > > > cloud > > > > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into > > another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move > > you, > > > > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two > > > > > > nothingnesses... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have > influence > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > life of appearing " others " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops > > to > > > > > > be/come > > > > > > > ocean.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background > > > > > (nothingness) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that absolute nothingness > > > > > > all that Is reality > > > > > > imagines itself... > > > > > > > > > > > > to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations... > > > > > > > > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and > > so > > > > > on...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live > > in is > > > > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the > > > soul. > > > > > > > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get > > > busy, > > > > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that > > > > begets war that begets all the ills of the world. > > > > > > > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I > > have > > > > much more to say, let that suffice for today. > > > > > > > > IMHI. > > > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > ... " the hands of God " .....yes.... > > > > > > but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem to > > be > > > different....in different (ego) minds.... > > > > > > whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open the > > > door to a nice " heaven " ..... > > > > > > then there is nothingness...... > > > .... awareness rising...... > > > > > > the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " in > > > inner peace*..... > > > > > > > > > > > > and Anna, > > > > > > > > > .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at.... > > > > > > wish you to get healthy > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this your " hands > of > > > God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Marc, > > > > Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced and > am > > experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be deemed > > lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner peace > > involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful " and > > seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and > > destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so- called > > normal folks. > > > > Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of us. > > Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect world > in > > our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all around > > us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE SKILLFUL > > MEANS OF GOD. > > > > GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM. > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > ok..... > > i have no problems with your perception of the " world " ....and > of " God " ..... > > if you feel to do/think/act....this your described path.....please go > on.......it will surely give you more and more....inner peace > > > Marc > > > ....and now one needs to go into deeper into one's experience: " the peace that passeth understanding " . ....the " cause " of duality. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " > > <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong > > > <lulu.dong@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu > Dong > > > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search > > > for. > > > > > You > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas > you > > > have > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, > but > > > you > > > > > > don't. > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth > > you > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by > helping > > > > > others > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is > > > myself; > > > > > in > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no > separation. > > At > > > > the > > > > > > > root > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: > Jerry > > > Katz, > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, > deluded > > > > > enough > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my > > > > > travelling > > > > > > > > soul, > > > > > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like > to > > > do > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some > other > > > > body > > > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my > own > > > > > deluded > > > > > > > > words, > > > > > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel > through > > > my > > > > > > mirror > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- > > > > > metaphor. .. > > > > > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation > > > between " a > > > > > > > looker " > > > > > > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > > > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a > > > > thing...it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > pure > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in > > > > > being...the > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > called > > > > > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just > a > > > > > natural > > > > > > > flow > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what > > > is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what > is > > > can > > > > > > > travel > > > > > > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > > > > > (something). .. > > > > > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in > > > oneness > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no > > > body...it > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not > becoming > > > > > bigger > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your > > > body > > > > is > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and > > the > > > > > > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet > > > > mucis...or > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly > will > > > be > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I > > > don't > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is > > > supposed > > > > > to > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying > to > > > > say. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest > > > beingness... > > > > > its > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an > > > > object...nothingnes > > > > > s > > > > > > > > > is...it > > > > > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the > > case...when > > > > you > > > > > > say > > > > > > > Im > > > > > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > sky...you > > > > > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > > > > > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in > > > > > openness...but > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is > > > identification > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is > the > > > > > > treasure > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another > > > cloud... > > > > > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another > cloud > > > > > less... > > > > > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever > > the > > > > > wind > > > > > > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of > my > > > > clouds, > > > > > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be > > > every > > > > > > cloud > > > > > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into > > > another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can > move > > > you, > > > > > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you > are > > > > > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two > > > > > > > nothingnesses... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have > > influence > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > life of appearing " others " ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " > drops > > > to > > > > > > > be/come > > > > > > > > ocean.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background > > > > > > (nothingness) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that absolute nothingness > > > > > > > all that Is reality > > > > > > > imagines itself... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations... > > > > > > > > > > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the > soul " .....and > > > so > > > > > > on...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all > live > > > in is > > > > > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of > the > > > > soul. > > > > > > > > > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure > get > > > > busy, > > > > > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred > that > > > > > begets war that begets all the ills of the world. > > > > > > > > > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I > > > have > > > > > much more to say, let that suffice for today. > > > > > > > > > > IMHI. > > > > > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... " the hands of God " .....yes.... > > > > > > > > but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem > to > > > be > > > > different....in different (ego) minds.... > > > > > > > > whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open > the > > > > door to a nice " heaven " ..... > > > > > > > > then there is nothingness...... > > > > .... awareness rising...... > > > > > > > > the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " > in > > > > inner peace*..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at.... > > > > > > > > wish you to get healthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this > your " hands > > of > > > > God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dearest Marc, > > > > > > Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced > and > > am > > > experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be > deemed > > > lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner > peace > > > involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful " > and > > > seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and > > > destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so- > called > > > normal folks. > > > > > > Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of us. > > > Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect > world > > in > > > our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all > around > > > us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE > SKILLFUL > > > MEANS OF GOD. > > > > > > GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM. > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > ok..... > > > > i have no problems with your perception of the " world " ....and > > of " God " ..... > > > > if you feel to do/think/act....this your described path.....please > go > > on.......it will surely give you more and more....inner peace > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > ...and now one needs to go into deeper into one's experience: " the > peace that passeth understanding " . > > ...the " cause " of duality. > > > Anna you mean the " good and bad " world.....? you mean " darkness and light " .....? .... and all this funny things to fight for...or not? 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Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 - In Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@. ..> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You > are > > the > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > about > > > your > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. > > > That > > > > is > > > > > > all > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not > > help > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others > you > > > help > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in > name > > > and > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > root > > of > > > > our > > > > > > being > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough > for > > me > > > > to > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > > soul, > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > > than > > > to > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > > taking > > > a > > > > > look > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > > words, > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror > > > into > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > looker " > > > > > and " the > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > called " looker " ) > > > > for > > > > > an > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is > > pure > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the > so > > > > called > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > > flow > > > of > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > travel > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). .. > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not > a > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > part > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > clouds....if > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to > > > > someone > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that > > > > nothing- > > > > > ness... > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > understand > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > > write > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > > don't > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > ...find your own > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its > not > > > really > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > > is...it > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say > > Im > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > sky...you > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > nothingness. ..the > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > > this > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with > > one > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure > > if > > > you > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two > > nothingnesses. .. > > > ... > > > > > > 1 nothingness > > > 2 nothingnesses > > > 3 nothingnesseses > > > 4 nothingnesseseses > > > LOL, > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > > > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > the I am is not located in the body... > > the body is in the I am... > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. > > ... > > > > > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... > > > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are in > nothingness ... > > > > > > ? Lu > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. .. > but nothingness is not a thing... > and (the) no-thing can not move... > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > bodies ? > ... > > > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between bodies. > > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it. > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes, > but through the eyes of all others. > > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody. > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud. > And I want every cloud to understand the sky. > I want everybody to understand nothingness. > > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky understands every cloud. > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no difference between me and them, and that there is no difference between any one cloud and another. > > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from one body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ... > > When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another, there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there, I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and everybody. > > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another, is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s bodies and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are. > > > Lulu > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds so they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a lot... what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ? what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the good stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any moment something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to find a real happy cloud...anyway. .. you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can know who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question.... if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible for (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is the doer ? .... nothingness is the doer. if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened. if we are deluded nothingness is deluded. if we are happy, nothingness is happy and if we are sad, nothingness is sad. nothingness is all there is, nothingness is the sky and the clouds ... nothingness is you, nothingness is me, knowing or not, nothingness is all there is. lulu Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > - In Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You > > are > > > the > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > > about > > > > your > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you > don't. > > > > That > > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do > not > > > help > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others > > you > > > > help > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in > > name > > > > and > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > > root > > > of > > > > > our > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, > Lulu > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough > > for > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > > > soul, > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > > > than > > > > to > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > > > taking > > > > a > > > > > > look > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > > > words, > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my > mirror > > > > into > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. .. > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > > looker " > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it > is > > > pure > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the > > so > > > > > called > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > > > flow > > > > of > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > > travel > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > (something). .. > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is > not > > a > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger > or > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > > part > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or > to > > > > > someone > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be > that > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > > understand > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > > > write > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > > > don't > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its > > not > > > > really > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > > > is...it > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you > say > > > Im > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > > sky...you > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > > > this > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification > with > > > one > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > treasure > > > if > > > > you > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two > > > nothingnesses. .. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > 1 nothingness > > > > 2 nothingnesses > > > > 3 nothingnesseses > > > > 4 nothingnesseseses > > > > LOL, > > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > > > > > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > the I am is not located in the body... > > > the body is in the I am... > > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. > > > ... > > > > > > > > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... > > > > > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness > > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are > in > > nothingness ... > > > > > > > > > ? Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. .. > > but nothingness is not a thing... > > and (the) no-thing can not move... > > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > > bodies ? > > ... > > > > > > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > bodies. > > > > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to > broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it. > > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes, > > but through the eyes of all others. > > > > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody. > > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud. > > And I want every cloud to understand the sky. > > I want everybody to understand nothingness. > > > > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that > every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky > understands every cloud. > > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every > cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all > my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no > difference between me and them, and that there is no difference > between any one cloud and another. > > > > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one > body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from one > body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and > cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want > to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every > cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am > all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ... > > > > When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another, > there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there, > I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into > another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the > idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as > such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of > being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and > everybody. > > > > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another, > is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s bodies > and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are. > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds so > they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a > lot... > > what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ? > what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents > nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for > some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is > working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the good > stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any moment > something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to find a > real happy cloud...anyway. .. > you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can know > who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question.... > if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible for > (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what > or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is > the doer ? > ... > > > nothingness is the doer. > > if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened. > if we are deluded nothingness is deluded. > if we are happy, nothingness is happy > and if we are sad, nothingness is sad. > > nothingness is all there is, > nothingness is the sky and the clouds ... > nothingness is you, nothingness is me, > knowing or not, > nothingness is all there is. > > lulu > > true.... in reality.....nothingness is all there is..... including all this nice dreams....to be " this or that " Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > - In Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You > > are > > > the > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > > about > > > > your > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you > don't. > > > > That > > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do > not > > > help > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others > > you > > > > help > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in > > name > > > > and > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > > root > > > of > > > > > our > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, > Lulu > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough > > for > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > > > soul, > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > > > than > > > > to > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > > > taking > > > > a > > > > > > look > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > > > words, > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my > mirror > > > > into > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- metaphor. .. > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > > looker " > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it > is > > > pure > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the > > so > > > > > called > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > > > flow > > > > of > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > > travel > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > (something). .. > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is > not > > a > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger > or > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > > part > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or > to > > > > > someone > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be > that > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > > understand > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > > > write > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > > > don't > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its > > not > > > > really > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > > > is...it > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you > say > > > Im > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > > sky...you > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > > > this > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification > with > > > one > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > treasure > > > if > > > > you > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two > > > nothingnesses. .. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > 1 nothingness > > > > 2 nothingnesses > > > > 3 nothingnesseses > > > > 4 nothingnesseseses > > > > LOL, > > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > > > > > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > the I am is not located in the body... > > > the body is in the I am... > > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. > > > ... > > > > > > > > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... > > > > > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness > > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are > in > > nothingness ... > > > > > > > > > ? Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. .. > > but nothingness is not a thing... > > and (the) no-thing can not move... > > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > > bodies ? > > ... > > > > > > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > bodies. > > > > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to > broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it. > > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes, > > but through the eyes of all others. > > > > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody. > > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud. > > And I want every cloud to understand the sky. > > I want everybody to understand nothingness. > > > > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that > every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky > understands every cloud. > > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every > cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all > my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no > difference between me and them, and that there is no difference > between any one cloud and another. > > > > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one > body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from one > body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and > cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want > to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every > cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am > all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ... > > > > When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another, > there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there, > I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into > another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the > idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as > such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of > being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and > everybody. > > > > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another, > is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s bodies > and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are. > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds so > they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a > lot... > > what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ? > what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents > nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for > some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is > working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the good > stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any moment > something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to find a > real happy cloud...anyway. .. > you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can know > who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question.... > if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible for > (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what > or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is > the doer ? > ... > > > nothingness is the doer. > > if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened. > if we are deluded nothingness is deluded. > if we are happy, nothingness is happy > and if we are sad, nothingness is sad. > > nothingness is all there is, > nothingness is the sky and the clouds ... > nothingness is you, nothingness is me, > knowing or not, > nothingness is all there is. > > lulu > > > > > how can no-thing-ness be the doer... how can no-thing-ness be enlightened...deluded...happy...sad... how can nothingness be reduced to just something... .... 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Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong > > > > lulu.dong > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You > > are > > > the > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have > > about > > > > your > > > > > > > self. > > > > > > > > (517) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you > don't. > > > > That > > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the difference . (88) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do > not > > > help > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others > > you > > > > help > > > > > > > > yourself. (383) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in > > name > > > > and > > > > > > > shape > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the > > root > > > of > > > > > our > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > we are one. (511) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, > Lulu > > > Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ? > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ? > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ? > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ? > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough > > for > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > > step inside ? > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling > > > soul, > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more > > > than > > > > to > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body > > > taking > > > > a > > > > > > look > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded > > > words, > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my > mirror > > > > into > > > > > > > yours ? > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror- metaphor. .. > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a > > looker " > > > > > > and " the > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so > > > called " looker " ) > > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it > is > > > pure > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the > > so > > > > > called > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural > > > flow > > > > of > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can > > travel > > > > > > from my body into yours ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is > (something). .. > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ... > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not > > > > duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is > not > > a > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger > or > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower... > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is > > part > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the > > > > clouds....if > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or > to > > > > > someone > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart... > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be > that > > > > > nothing- > > > > > > ness... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't > > > understand > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to > > > write > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I > > > don't > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > ...find your own > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its > > not > > > > really > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s > > > > is...it > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you > say > > > Im > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the > > > > sky...you > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in > > nothingness. ..the > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but > > > this > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification > with > > > one > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the > treasure > > > if > > > > you > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ... > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud... > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less... > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind > > > > > blows... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds, > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you, > > > > > from one cloud into another ? > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds... > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are > > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two > > > nothingnesses. .. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > 1 nothingness > > > > 2 nothingnesses > > > > 3 nothingnesseses > > > > 4 nothingnesseseses > > > > LOL, > > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ? > > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ? > > > > > > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds ) > > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ? > > > > > > > > Lu > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > the I am is not located in the body... > > > the body is in the I am... > > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. .. > > > ... > > > > > > > > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ... > > > > > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness > > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are > in > > nothingness ... > > > > > > > > > ? Lu > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. .. > > but nothingness is not a thing... > > and (the) no-thing can not move... > > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > > bodies ? > > ... > > > > > > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between > bodies. > > > > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to > broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it. > > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes, > > but through the eyes of all others. > > > > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody. > > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud. > > And I want every cloud to understand the sky. > > I want everybody to understand nothingness. > > > > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that > every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky > understands every cloud. > > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every > cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all > my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no > difference between me and them, and that there is no difference > between any one cloud and another. > > > > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one > body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from one > body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and > cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want > to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every > cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am > all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ... > > > > When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another, > there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there, > I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into > another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the > idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as > such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of > being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and > everybody. > > > > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another, > is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s bodies > and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are. > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds so > they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a > lot... > > what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ? > what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents > nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for > some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is > working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the good > stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any moment > something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to find a > real happy cloud...anyway. .. > you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can know > who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question.... > if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible for > (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what > or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is > the doer ? > ... > > > nothingness is the doer. > > if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened. > if we are deluded nothingness is deluded. > if we are happy, nothingness is happy > and if we are sad, nothingness is sad. > > nothingness is all there is, > nothingness is the sky and the clouds ... > nothingness is you, nothingness is me, > knowing or not, > nothingness is all there is. > > lulu > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- how can no-thing-ness be the doer... how can no-thing-ness be enlightened. ..deluded. ..happy.. .sad... how can nothingness be reduced to just something... .... No other thing than nothingness is the doer that makes the mind feel enlightened, deluded, happy and sad and reduces nothingness to something. There is no other thing than nothingness. you say that nothingness includes all things and none. something is in nothingness, everything and no-thing are in nothingness. the body is in nothingness, the mind is in nothingness, the heart is in nothingness, all things are in nothingness. if the body moves through nothingness, no thing other than nothingness moves the body. how that is done ? It's a magic trick with mirrors. ...Lulu Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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