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> > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the

> > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about your

> > self.

> > > (517)

> > >

> > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't. That

is

> > all

> > > the difference . (88)

> > >

> > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help

> > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > >

> > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you help

> > > yourself. (383)

> > >

> > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name and

> > shape

> > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of

our

> > being

> > > we are one. (511)

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > >

> > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > Where is the exit ?

> > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me

to

> > step inside ?

> > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul,

> > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > >

> > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than to

> > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking a

> look

> > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words,

> > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > >

> > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror into

> > yours ?

> > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > >

> > > Lulu Dong

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker "

> and " the

> > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " )

for

> an

> > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure

> > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so

called

> > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow of

> > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> >

> >

> > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel

> from my body into yours ?

> >

> > Lulu

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

>

> what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> (not nothing-ness) ...

> all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not duality)

>

> nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a

> thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

>

> " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part

> of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the clouds....if

> you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

someone

> that you love deeply with all your heart...

> then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

nothing-

> ness...

> ...

>

>

> I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand

my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write

your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't

see my nothing-ness in you.

>

> Lu

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ---

....find your own

nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not really

your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s is...it

is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im

sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the sky...you

are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the

clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this

openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one

cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if you

know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

blows...

 

 

~~~~

 

assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

 

Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

from one cloud into another ? :)

 

Lulu

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

<lulu.dong@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the

> > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about

your

> > > self.

> > > > (517)

> > > >

> > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

That

> is

> > > all

> > > > the difference . (88)

> > > >

> > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help

> > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > >

> > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you

help

> > > > yourself. (383)

> > > >

> > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name

and

> > > shape

> > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of

> our

> > > being

> > > > we are one. (511)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > >

> > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me

> to

> > > step inside ?

> > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul,

> > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > >

> > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than

to

> > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking

a

> > look

> > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words,

> > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > >

> > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

into

> > > yours ?

> > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > >

> > > > Lulu Dong

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker "

> > and " the

> > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " )

> for

> > an

> > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure

> > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so

> called

> > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow

of

> > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > >

> > >

> > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel

> > from my body into yours ?

> > >

> > > Lulu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> >

> > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

duality)

> >

> > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a

> > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> >

> > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part

> > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

clouds....if

> > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> someone

> > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> nothing-

> > ness...

> > ...

> >

> >

> > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand

> my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write

> your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't

> see my nothing-ness in you.

> >

> > Lu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> ...find your own

> nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not

really

> your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

is...it

> is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im

> sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

sky...you

> are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the

> clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this

> openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one

> cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if

you

> know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> blows...

>

>

> ~~~~

>

> assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

>

> Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> from one cloud into another ? :)

>

> Lulu

>

>

>

the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two nothingnesses...

....

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> > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

<lulu.dong@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are the

> > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about

your

> > > self.

> > > > (517)

> > > >

> > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

That

> is

> > > all

> > > > the difference . (88)

> > > >

> > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help

> > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > >

> > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you

help

> > > > yourself. (383)

> > > >

> > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name

and

> > > shape

> > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root of

> our

> > > being

> > > > we are one. (511)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > >

> > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu Dong

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for me

> to

> > > step inside ?

> > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling soul,

> > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > >

> > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than

to

> > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking

a

> > look

> > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded words,

> > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > >

> > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

into

> > > yours ?

> > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > >

> > > > Lulu Dong

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker "

> > and " the

> > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " )

> for

> > an

> > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is pure

> > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so

> called

> > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow

of

> > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > >

> > >

> > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel

> > from my body into yours ?

> > >

> > > Lulu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> >

> > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

duality)

> >

> > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a

> > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> >

> > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part

> > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

clouds....if

> > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> someone

> > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> nothing-

> > ness...

> > ...

> >

> >

> > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't understand

> my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to write

> your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I don't

> see my nothing-ness in you.

> >

> > Lu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> ...find your own

> nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not

really

> your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

is...it

> is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im

> sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

sky...you

> are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the

> clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this

> openness is appearently lost when there is identification with one

> cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if

you

> know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> blows...

>

>

> ~~~~

>

> assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

>

> Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> from one cloud into another ? :)

>

> Lulu

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ---

the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two nothingnesses. ..

....

 

1 nothingness

2 nothingnesses

3 nothingnesseses

4 nothingnesseseses

LOL, ;)

and your I am is the same as my I am ?

Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

 

how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

And why can't we move from one body into another ?

 

Lu

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are

the

> > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about

> your

> > > > self.

> > > > > (517)

> > > > >

> > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

> That

> > is

> > > > all

> > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > >

> > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not

help

> > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > >

> > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you

> help

> > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name

> and

> > > > shape

> > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root

of

> > our

> > > > being

> > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > >

> > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu

Dong

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for

me

> > to

> > > > step inside ?

> > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

soul,

> > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > >

> > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

than

> to

> > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

taking

> a

> > > look

> > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

words,

> > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > >

> > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

> into

> > > > yours ?

> > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker "

> > > and " the

> > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

called " looker " )

> > for

> > > an

> > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is

pure

> > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so

> > called

> > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

flow

> of

> > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel

> > > from my body into yours ?

> > > >

> > > > Lulu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > >

> > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> duality)

> > >

> > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a

> > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > >

> > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part

> > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> clouds....if

> > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> > someone

> > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> > nothing-

> > > ness...

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

understand

> > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

write

> > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

don't

> > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > >

> > > Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > ...find your own

> > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not

> really

> > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> is...it

> > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say

Im

> > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> sky...you

> > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the

> > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

this

> > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with

one

> > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure

if

> you

> > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > blows...

> >

> >

> > ~~~~

> >

> > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> >

> > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > from one cloud into another ? :)

> >

> > Lulu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

nothingnesses. ..

> ...

>

> 1 nothingness

> 2 nothingnesses

> 3 nothingnesseses

> 4 nothingnesseseses

> LOL, ;)

> and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

>

> how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> And why can't we move from one body into another ?

>

> Lu

>

>

>

the I am is not located in the body...

the body is in the I am...

all is in the I am...in nothingness...

....

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> >

> > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are

the

> > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about

> your

> > > > self.

> > > > > (517)

> > > > >

> > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

> That

> > is

> > > > all

> > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > >

> > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not help

> > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > >

> > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you

> help

> > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name

> and

> > > > shape

> > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root

of

> > our

> > > > being

> > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > >

> > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu

Dong

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for

me

> > to

> > > > step inside ?

> > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

soul,

> > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > >

> > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more than

> to

> > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body taking

> a

> > > look

> > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

words,

> > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > >

> > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

> into

> > > > yours ?

> > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker "

> > > and " the

> > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so called " looker " )

> > for

> > > an

> > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is

pure

> > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so

> > called

> > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural flow

> of

> > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel

> > > from my body into yours ?

> > > >

> > > > Lulu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > >

> > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> duality)

> > >

> > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a

> > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > >

> > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part

> > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> clouds....if

> > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> > someone

> > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> > nothing-

> > > ness...

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

understand

> > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

write

> > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

don't

> > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > >

> > > Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > ...find your own

> > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not

> really

> > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> is...it

> > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say Im

> > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> sky...you

> > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the

> > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but this

> > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with

one

> > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure if

> you

> > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > blows...

> >

> >

> > ~~~~

> >

> > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> >

> > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > from one cloud into another ? :)

> >

> > Lulu

> >

> >

> >

> the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two nothingnesses...

 

 

 

nice words

 

 

yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on the

life of appearing " others " .....

 

are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to be/come

ocean....

 

it's a funny thing.....without any serious background (nothingness)

 

but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

 

it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

 

:)

 

 

Marc

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> > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You are

the

> > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have about

> your

> > > > self.

> > > > > (517)

> > > > >

> > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

> That

> > is

> > > > all

> > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > >

> > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not

help

> > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > >

> > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others you

> help

> > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in name

> and

> > > > shape

> > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the root

of

> > our

> > > > being

> > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > >

> > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu

Dong

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough for

me

> > to

> > > > step inside ?

> > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

soul,

> > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > >

> > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

than

> to

> > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

taking

> a

> > > look

> > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

words,

> > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > >

> > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

> into

> > > > yours ?

> > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a looker "

> > > and " the

> > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

called " looker " )

> > for

> > > an

> > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is

pure

> > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the so

> > called

> > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

flow

> of

> > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can travel

> > > from my body into yours ?

> > > >

> > > > Lulu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > >

> > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> duality)

> > >

> > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not a

> > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > >

> > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is part

> > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> clouds....if

> > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> > someone

> > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> > nothing-

> > > ness...

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

understand

> > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

write

> > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

don't

> > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > >

> > > Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > ...find your own

> > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its not

> really

> > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> is...it

> > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say

Im

> > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> sky...you

> > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in nothingness. ..the

> > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

this

> > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with

one

> > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure

if

> you

> > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > blows...

> >

> >

> > ~~~~

> >

> > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> >

> > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > from one cloud into another ? :)

> >

> > Lulu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

nothingnesses. ..

> ...

>

> 1 nothingness

> 2 nothingnesses

> 3 nothingnesseses

> 4 nothingnesseseses

> LOL, ;)

> and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

>

> how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> And why can't we move from one body into another ?

>

> Lu

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ---

the I am is not located in the body...

the body is in the I am...

all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

....

 

 

... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

 

than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness to move from

one body into another, since all bodies already are in nothingness ...

 

 

? Lu

 

 

 

 

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You

are

> the

> > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

about

> > your

> > > > > self.

> > > > > > (517)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

> > That

> > > is

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not

help

> > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others

you

> > help

> > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in

name

> > and

> > > > > shape

> > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

root

> of

> > > our

> > > > > being

> > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu

> Dong

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough

for

> me

> > > to

> > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

> soul,

> > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

than

> > to

> > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

taking

> > a

> > > > look

> > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

> words,

> > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

> > into

> > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

looker "

> > > > and " the

> > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

called " looker " )

> > > for

> > > > an

> > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is

> pure

> > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the

so

> > > called

> > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

flow

> > of

> > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

travel

> > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > >

> > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> > duality)

> > > >

> > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not

a

> > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > >

> > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

part

> > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > clouds....if

> > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> > > someone

> > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> > > nothing-

> > > > ness...

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> understand

> > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

> write

> > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

> don't

> > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > >

> > > > Lu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > ...find your own

> > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its

not

> > really

> > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> > is...it

> > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say

Im

> > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > sky...you

> > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

nothingness. ..the

> > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

this

> > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with

> one

> > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure

if

> > you

> > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > > blows...

> > >

> > >

> > > ~~~~

> > >

> > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > >

> > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > >

> > > Lulu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

nothingnesses...

>

>

>

> nice words

>

>

> yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on the

> life of appearing " others " .....

>

> are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to

be/come

> ocean....

>

> it's a funny thing.....without any serious background (nothingness)

>

> but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

>

> it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

>

> :)

>

>

> Marc

>

 

 

in that absolute nothingness

all that Is reality

imagines itself...

 

to be.

 

;-)

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You

> are

> > the

> > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> about

> > > your

> > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

don't.

> > > That

> > > > is

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not

> help

> > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others

> you

> > > help

> > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in

> name

> > > and

> > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

> root

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

Lulu

> > Dong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough

> for

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

> > soul,

> > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

> than

> > > to

> > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> taking

> > > a

> > > > > look

> > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

> > words,

> > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

mirror

> > > into

> > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> looker "

> > > > > and " the

> > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> called " looker " )

> > > > for

> > > > > an

> > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is

> > pure

> > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the

> so

> > > > called

> > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

> flow

> > > of

> > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> travel

> > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > >

> > > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> > > duality)

> > > > >

> > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is

not

> a

> > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger

or

> > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > >

> > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

> part

> > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > clouds....if

> > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> > > > someone

> > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> > > > nothing-

> > > > > ness...

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > understand

> > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

> > write

> > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

> > don't

> > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > ...find your own

> > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its

> not

> > > really

> > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> > > is...it

> > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you

say

> Im

> > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > sky...you

> > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> nothingness. ..the

> > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

> this

> > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

with

> > one

> > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

treasure

> if

> > > you

> > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > > > blows...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~~~~

> > > >

> > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every

cloud

> > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > >

> > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > >

> > > > Lulu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

> nothingnesses...

> >

> >

> >

> > nice words

> >

> >

> > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on the

> > life of appearing " others " .....

> >

> > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to

> be/come

> > ocean....

> >

> > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background

(nothingness)

> >

> > but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

> >

> > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

> >

> > :)

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

> in that absolute nothingness

> all that Is reality

> imagines itself...

>

> to be.

>

> ;-)

 

 

ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations...

 

about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and so

on......

 

:)

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You

are

> the

> > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

about

> > your

> > > > > self.

> > > > > > (517)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

> > That

> > > is

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not

> help

> > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others

you

> > help

> > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in

name

> > and

> > > > > shape

> > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

root

> of

> > > our

> > > > > being

> > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu

> Dong

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough

for

> me

> > > to

> > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

> soul,

> > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

> than

> > to

> > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> taking

> > a

> > > > look

> > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

> words,

> > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

> > into

> > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

looker "

> > > > and " the

> > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> called " looker " )

> > > for

> > > > an

> > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is

> pure

> > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the

so

> > > called

> > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

> flow

> > of

> > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

travel

> > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > >

> > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> > duality)

> > > >

> > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not

a

> > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > >

> > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

part

> > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > clouds....if

> > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> > > someone

> > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> > > nothing-

> > > > ness...

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> understand

> > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

> write

> > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

> don't

> > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > >

> > > > Lu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > ...find your own

> > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its

not

> > really

> > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> > is...it

> > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say

> Im

> > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > sky...you

> > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

nothingness. ..the

> > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

> this

> > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with

> one

> > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure

> if

> > you

> > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > > blows...

> > >

> > >

> > > ~~~~

> > >

> > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > >

> > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > >

> > > Lulu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

> nothingnesses. ..

> > ...

> >

> > 1 nothingness

> > 2 nothingnesses

> > 3 nothingnesseses

> > 4 nothingnesseseses

> > LOL, ;)

> > and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

> >

> > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> > And why can't we move from one body into another ?

> >

> > Lu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> the I am is not located in the body...

> the body is in the I am...

> all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

> ...

>

>

> ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

>

> than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness

to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are in

nothingness ...

>

>

> ? Lu

>

>

>

yes...all bodies are in nothingness...

but nothingness is not a thing...

and (the) no-thing can not move...

why do you want to reduse nothingness to mere movements between

bodies ?

....

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<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for.

You

> > are

> > > the

> > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> > about

> > > > your

> > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

> don't.

> > > > That

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do

not

> > help

> > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping

others

> > you

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself;

in

> > name

> > > > and

> > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

> > root

> > > of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

> Lulu

> > > Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded

enough

> > for

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

travelling

> > > soul,

> > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do

more

> > than

> > > > to

> > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> > taking

> > > > a

> > > > > > look

> > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own

deluded

> > > words,

> > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

> mirror

> > > > into

> > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> > looker "

> > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > called " looker " )

> > > > > for

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it

is

> > > pure

> > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

being...the

> > so

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a

natural

> > flow

> > > > of

> > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> > travel

> > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

(something). ..

> > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness

(not

> > > > duality)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is

> not

> > a

> > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming

bigger

> or

> > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

> > part

> > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or

to

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be

that

> > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > > understand

> > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed

to

> > > write

> > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I

> > > don't

> > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness...

its

> > not

> > > > really

> > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes

s

> > > > is...it

> > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you

> say

> > Im

> > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > > sky...you

> > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

openness...but

> > this

> > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

> with

> > > one

> > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

> treasure

> > if

> > > > you

> > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud

less...

> > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the

wind

> > > > > blows...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ~~~~

> > > > >

> > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every

> cloud

> > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

> > nothingnesses...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > nice words

> > >

> > >

> > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on

the

> > > life of appearing " others " .....

> > >

> > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to

> > be/come

> > > ocean....

> > >

> > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background

> (nothingness)

> > >

> > > but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

> > >

> > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

> > >

> > > :)

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> >

> > in that absolute nothingness

> > all that Is reality

> > imagines itself...

> >

> > to be.

> >

> > ;-)

>

>

> ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations...

>

> about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and so

> on......

>

> :)

>

> Marc

>

 

IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live in is

held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the soul.

 

.... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get busy,

recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that

begets war that begets all the ills of the world.

 

The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I have

much more to say, let that suffice for today.

 

IMHI.

 

Love and Peace,

Anna

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> > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You

are

> the

> > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

about

> > your

> > > > > self.

> > > > > > (517)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you don't.

> > That

> > > is

> > > > > all

> > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do not

> help

> > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others

you

> > help

> > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in

name

> > and

> > > > > shape

> > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

root

> of

> > > our

> > > > > being

> > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz, Lulu

> Dong

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough

for

> me

> > > to

> > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

> soul,

> > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

> than

> > to

> > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> taking

> > a

> > > > look

> > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

> words,

> > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my mirror

> > into

> > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

looker "

> > > > and " the

> > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> called " looker " )

> > > for

> > > > an

> > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it is

> pure

> > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the

so

> > > called

> > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

> flow

> > of

> > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

travel

> > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > >

> > > > what can travel from one place to another is (something). ..

> > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> > duality)

> > > >

> > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is not

a

> > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger or

> > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > >

> > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

part

> > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > clouds....if

> > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or to

> > > someone

> > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be that

> > > nothing-

> > > > ness...

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> understand

> > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

> write

> > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

> don't

> > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > >

> > > > Lu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > ...find your own

> > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its

not

> > really

> > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> > is...it

> > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you say

> Im

> > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > sky...you

> > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

nothingness. ..the

> > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

> this

> > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification with

> one

> > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the treasure

> if

> > you

> > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > > blows...

> > >

> > >

> > > ~~~~

> > >

> > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > >

> > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > >

> > > Lulu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

> nothingnesses. ..

> > ...

> >

> > 1 nothingness

> > 2 nothingnesses

> > 3 nothingnesseses

> > 4 nothingnesseseses

> > LOL, ;)

> > and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

> >

> > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> > And why can't we move from one body into another ?

> >

> > Lu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> the I am is not located in the body...

> the body is in the I am...

> all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

> ...

>

>

> ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

>

> than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness

to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are in

nothingness ...

>

>

> ? Lu

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ---

yes...all bodies are in nothingness. ..

but nothingness is not a thing...

and (the) no-thing can not move...

why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

bodies ?

....

 

 

I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between bodies.

 

Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to broaden the

understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it.

That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes,

but through the eyes of all others.

 

Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody.

The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud.

And I want every cloud to understand the sky.

I want everybody to understand nothingness.

 

For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that every cloud

understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky understands every cloud.

But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every cloud to

understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all my clouds to know

who they are and who I am and that there is no difference between me and them,

and that there is no difference between any one cloud and another.

 

That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one body into

another, or how to move nothingness's awareness from one body into another,

because nothingness is not only my body and cloud, nothingness is everybody and

every cloud, that's why " I " want to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about

every body and every cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because

" I " am all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ...

 

When moving nothingness's awareness from one body into another, there is

nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there, I just likes the

idea, of moving nothingness from one body into another, I like the idea of being

more than one body, I like the idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being

the sky, and as such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more

of being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and everybody.

 

The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another, is because as

nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness's bodies and I, nothingness, want

all of this bodies to know who they are.

 

 

Lulu

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail.

 

 

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wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for.

> You

> > > are

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> > > about

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

> > don't.

> > > > > That

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do

> not

> > > help

> > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping

> others

> > > you

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself;

> in

> > > name

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At

the

> > > root

> > > > of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

> > Lulu

> > > > Dong

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded

> enough

> > > for

> > > > me

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

> travelling

> > > > soul,

> > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do

> more

> > > than

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other

body

> > > taking

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > look

> > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own

> deluded

> > > > words,

> > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

> > mirror

> > > > > into

> > > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

> metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> > > looker "

> > > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > called " looker " )

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a

thing...it

> is

> > > > pure

> > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

> being...the

> > > so

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a

> natural

> > > flow

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> > > travel

> > > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> (something). ..

> > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness

> (not

> > > > > duality)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it

is

> > not

> > > a

> > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming

> bigger

> > or

> > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body

is

> > > part

> > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet

mucis...or

> to

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be

> that

> > > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > > > understand

> > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed

> to

> > > > write

> > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to

say.

> I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness...

> its

> > > not

> > > > > really

> > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an

object...nothingnes

> s

> > > > > is...it

> > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when

you

> > say

> > > Im

> > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > > > sky...you

> > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

> openness...but

> > > this

> > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

> > with

> > > > one

> > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

> > treasure

> > > if

> > > > > you

> > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud

> less...

> > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the

> wind

> > > > > > blows...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ~~~~

> > > > > >

> > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my

clouds,

> > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every

> > cloud

> > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

> > > nothingnesses...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > nice words

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence on

> the

> > > > life of appearing " others " .....

> > > >

> > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops to

> > > be/come

> > > > ocean....

> > > >

> > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background

> > (nothingness)

> > > >

> > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

> > > >

> > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

> > > >

> > > > :)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > in that absolute nothingness

> > > all that Is reality

> > > imagines itself...

> > >

> > > to be.

> > >

> > > ;-)

> >

> >

> > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations...

> >

> > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and so

> > on......

> >

> > :)

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live in is

> held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the

soul.

>

> ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get

busy,

> recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that

> begets war that begets all the ills of the world.

>

> The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I have

> much more to say, let that suffice for today.

>

> IMHI.

>

> Love and Peace,

> Anna

>

 

.... " the hands of God " .....yes....

 

but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem to be

different....in different (ego) minds....

 

whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open the

door to a nice " heaven " .....

 

then there is nothingness......

..... awareness rising......

 

the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " in

inner peace*.....

 

 

 

and Anna,

 

 

......the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at....

 

wish you to get healthy

 

 

 

Marc

 

 

*wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this your " hands of

God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things

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<dennis_travis33 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong

<lulu.dong@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search

for.

> > You

> > > > are

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you

have

> > > > about

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but

you

> > > don't.

> > > > > > That

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you

do

> > not

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping

> > others

> > > > you

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is

myself;

> > in

> > > > name

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At

> the

> > > > root

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry

Katz,

> > > Lulu

> > > > > Dong

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded

> > enough

> > > > for

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

> > travelling

> > > > > soul,

> > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to

do

> > more

> > > > than

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other

> body

> > > > taking

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > look

> > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own

> > deluded

> > > > > words,

> > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through

my

> > > mirror

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

> > metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation

between " a

> > > > looker "

> > > > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > > called " looker " )

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a

> thing...it

> > is

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

> > being...the

> > > > so

> > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a

> > natural

> > > > flow

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what

is...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is

can

> > > > travel

> > > > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> > (something). ..

> > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in

oneness

> > (not

> > > > > > duality)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no

body...it

> is

> > > not

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming

> > bigger

> > > or

> > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your

body

> is

> > > > part

> > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet

> mucis...or

> > to

> > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will

be

> > that

> > > > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I

don't

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is

supposed

> > to

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to

> say.

> > I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest

beingness...

> > its

> > > > not

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an

> object...nothingnes

> > s

> > > > > > is...it

> > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when

> you

> > > say

> > > > Im

> > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in

the

> > > > > > sky...you

> > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > > > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

> > openness...but

> > > > this

> > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is

identification

> > > with

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

> > > treasure

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another

cloud...

> > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud

> > less...

> > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the

> > wind

> > > > > > > blows...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ~~~~

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my

> clouds,

> > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be

every

> > > cloud

> > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into

another.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move

you,

> > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

> > > > nothingnesses...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > nice words

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have influence

on

> > the

> > > > > life of appearing " others " .....

> > > > >

> > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops

to

> > > > be/come

> > > > > ocean....

> > > > >

> > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background

> > > (nothingness)

> > > > >

> > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

> > > > >

> > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

> > > > >

> > > > > :)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > in that absolute nothingness

> > > > all that Is reality

> > > > imagines itself...

> > > >

> > > > to be.

> > > >

> > > > ;-)

> > >

> > >

> > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations...

> > >

> > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and

so

> > > on......

> > >

> > > :)

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live

in is

> > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the

> soul.

> >

> > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get

> busy,

> > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that

> > begets war that begets all the ills of the world.

> >

> > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I

have

> > much more to say, let that suffice for today.

> >

> > IMHI.

> >

> > Love and Peace,

> > Anna

> >

>

> ... " the hands of God " .....yes....

>

> but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem to

be

> different....in different (ego) minds....

>

> whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open the

> door to a nice " heaven " .....

>

> then there is nothingness......

> .... awareness rising......

>

> the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " in

> inner peace*.....

>

>

>

> and Anna,

>

>

> .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at....

>

> wish you to get healthy

>

>

>

> Marc

>

>

> *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this your " hands of

> God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things

>

 

 

 

Dearest Marc,

 

Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced and am

experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be deemed

lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner peace

involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful " and

seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and

destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so-called

normal folks.

 

Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of us.

Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect world in

our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all around

us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE SKILLFUL

MEANS OF GOD.

 

GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM.

 

Love,

Anna

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You

> are

> > the

> > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> about

> > > your

> > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

don't.

> > > That

> > > > is

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do

not

> > help

> > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others

> you

> > > help

> > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in

> name

> > > and

> > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

> root

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

Lulu

> > Dong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough

> for

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

> > soul,

> > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

> > than

> > > to

> > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> > taking

> > > a

> > > > > look

> > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

> > words,

> > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

mirror

> > > into

> > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> looker "

> > > > > and " the

> > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > called " looker " )

> > > > for

> > > > > an

> > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it

is

> > pure

> > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the

> so

> > > > called

> > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

> > flow

> > > of

> > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> travel

> > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > >

> > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

(something). ..

> > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> > > duality)

> > > > >

> > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is

not

> a

> > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger

or

> > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > >

> > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

> part

> > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > clouds....if

> > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or

to

> > > > someone

> > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be

that

> > > > nothing-

> > > > > ness...

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > understand

> > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

> > write

> > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

> > don't

> > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > ...find your own

> > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its

> not

> > > really

> > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> > > is...it

> > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you

say

> > Im

> > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > sky...you

> > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> nothingness. ..the

> > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

> > this

> > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

with

> > one

> > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

treasure

> > if

> > > you

> > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > > > blows...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~~~~

> > > >

> > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > >

> > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > >

> > > > Lulu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

> > nothingnesses. ..

> > > ...

> > >

> > > 1 nothingness

> > > 2 nothingnesses

> > > 3 nothingnesseses

> > > 4 nothingnesseseses

> > > LOL, ;)

> > > and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

> > >

> > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> > > And why can't we move from one body into another ?

> > >

> > > Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > the I am is not located in the body...

> > the body is in the I am...

> > all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

> > ...

> >

> >

> > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

> >

> > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness

> to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are

in

> nothingness ...

> >

> >

> > ? Lu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> yes...all bodies are in nothingness. ..

> but nothingness is not a thing...

> and (the) no-thing can not move...

> why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> bodies ?

> ...

>

>

> I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

bodies.

>

> Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to

broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it.

> That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes,

> but through the eyes of all others.

>

> Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody.

> The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud.

> And I want every cloud to understand the sky.

> I want everybody to understand nothingness.

>

> For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that

every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky

understands every cloud.

> But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every

cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all

my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no

difference between me and them, and that there is no difference

between any one cloud and another.

>

> That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one

body into another, or how to move nothingness's awareness from one

body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and

cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want

to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every

cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am

all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ...

>

> When moving nothingness's awareness from one body into another,

there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there,

I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into

another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the

idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as

such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of

being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and

everybody.

>

> The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another,

is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness's bodies

and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are.

>

>

> Lulu

>

>

>

>

>

yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds so

they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a

lot...

 

what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ?

what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents

nothingness...or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for

some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is

working on the improvement-plan or trying to keep up with the good

stuff and avoiding the fear-down...its a struggle-road...any moment

something can change the whole cloud-world...its very rear to find a

real happy cloud...anyway...

you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can know

who they are....nothings wrong with anything....but a question....

if nothingness is nothingness...it looks like it is impossible for

(it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what

or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is

the doer ?

....

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

<kailashana@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong

> <lulu.dong@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search

> for.

> > > You

> > > > > are

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you

> have

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but

> you

> > > > don't.

> > > > > > > That

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth

you

> do

> > > not

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping

> > > others

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is

> myself;

> > > in

> > > > > name

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation.

At

> > the

> > > > > root

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry

> Katz,

> > > > Lulu

> > > > > > Dong

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded

> > > enough

> > > > > for

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

> > > travelling

> > > > > > soul,

> > > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to

> do

> > > more

> > > > > than

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other

> > body

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > look

> > > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own

> > > deluded

> > > > > > words,

> > > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through

> my

> > > > mirror

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

> > > metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation

> between " a

> > > > > looker "

> > > > > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > > > called " looker " )

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a

> > thing...it

> > > is

> > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

> > > being...the

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a

> > > natural

> > > > > flow

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what

> is...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is

> can

> > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> > > (something). ..

> > > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in

> oneness

> > > (not

> > > > > > > duality)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no

> body...it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming

> > > bigger

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your

> body

> > is

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and

the

> > > > > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet

> > mucis...or

> > > to

> > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will

> be

> > > that

> > > > > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I

> don't

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is

> supposed

> > > to

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to

> > say.

> > > I

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest

> beingness...

> > > its

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an

> > object...nothingnes

> > > s

> > > > > > > is...it

> > > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the

case...when

> > you

> > > > say

> > > > > Im

> > > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in

> the

> > > > > > > sky...you

> > > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > > > > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

> > > openness...but

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is

> identification

> > > > with

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

> > > > treasure

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another

> cloud...

> > > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud

> > > less...

> > > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever

the

> > > wind

> > > > > > > > blows...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ~~~~

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my

> > clouds,

> > > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be

> every

> > > > cloud

> > > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into

> another.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move

> you,

> > > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

> > > > > nothingnesses...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nice words

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have

influence

> on

> > > the

> > > > > > life of appearing " others " .....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other " drops

> to

> > > > > be/come

> > > > > > ocean....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background

> > > > (nothingness)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > in that absolute nothingness

> > > > > all that Is reality

> > > > > imagines itself...

> > > > >

> > > > > to be.

> > > > >

> > > > > ;-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations...

> > > >

> > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the soul " .....and

> so

> > > > on......

> > > >

> > > > :)

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all live

> in is

> > > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of the

> > soul.

> > >

> > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure get

> > busy,

> > > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred that

> > > begets war that begets all the ills of the world.

> > >

> > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I

> have

> > > much more to say, let that suffice for today.

> > >

> > > IMHI.

> > >

> > > Love and Peace,

> > > Anna

> > >

> >

> > ... " the hands of God " .....yes....

> >

> > but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem to

> be

> > different....in different (ego) minds....

> >

> > whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open the

> > door to a nice " heaven " .....

> >

> > then there is nothingness......

> > .... awareness rising......

> >

> > the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy " in

> > inner peace*.....

> >

> >

> >

> > and Anna,

> >

> >

> > .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at....

> >

> > wish you to get healthy

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this your " hands

of

> > God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things

> >

>

>

>

> Dearest Marc,

>

> Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced and

am

> experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be deemed

> lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner peace

> involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful " and

> seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and

> destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so-called

> normal folks.

>

> Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of us.

> Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect world

in

> our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all around

> us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE SKILLFUL

> MEANS OF GOD.

>

> GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM.

>

> Love,

> Anna

 

 

ok.....

 

i have no problems with your perception of the " world " ....and

of " God " .....

 

if you feel to do/think/act....this your described path.....please go

on.......it will surely give you more and more....inner peace

 

 

Marc

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> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

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> > >

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> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

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> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa "

<iietsa@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong

> > <lulu.dong@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu

Dong

> > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search

> > for.

> > > > You

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas

you

> > have

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it,

but

> > you

> > > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > That

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth

> you

> > do

> > > > not

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by

helping

> > > > others

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is

> > myself;

> > > > in

> > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no

separation.

> At

> > > the

> > > > > > root

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor:

Jerry

> > Katz,

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > Dong

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world,

deluded

> > > > enough

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

> > > > travelling

> > > > > > > soul,

> > > > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like

to

> > do

> > > > more

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some

other

> > > body

> > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > look

> > > > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my

own

> > > > deluded

> > > > > > > words,

> > > > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel

through

> > my

> > > > > mirror

> > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

> > > > metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation

> > between " a

> > > > > > looker "

> > > > > > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > > > > called " looker " )

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a

> > > thing...it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

> > > > being...the

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just

a

> > > > natural

> > > > > > flow

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what

> > is...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what

is

> > can

> > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> > > > (something). ..

> > > > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in

> > oneness

> > > > (not

> > > > > > > > duality)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no

> > body...it

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not

becoming

> > > > bigger

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your

> > body

> > > is

> > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and

> the

> > > > > > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet

> > > mucis...or

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly

will

> > be

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I

> > don't

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is

> > supposed

> > > > to

> > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying

to

> > > say.

> > > > I

> > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest

> > beingness...

> > > > its

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an

> > > object...nothingnes

> > > > s

> > > > > > > > is...it

> > > > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the

> case...when

> > > you

> > > > > say

> > > > > > Im

> > > > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud

in

> > the

> > > > > > > > sky...you

> > > > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > > > > > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

> > > > openness...but

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is

> > identification

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is

the

> > > > > treasure

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another

> > cloud...

> > > > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another

cloud

> > > > less...

> > > > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever

> the

> > > > wind

> > > > > > > > > blows...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ~~~~

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of

my

> > > clouds,

> > > > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be

> > every

> > > > > cloud

> > > > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into

> > another.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can

move

> > you,

> > > > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you

are

> > > > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

> > > > > > nothingnesses...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nice words

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have

> influence

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > life of appearing " others " .....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other "

drops

> > to

> > > > > > be/come

> > > > > > > ocean....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background

> > > > > (nothingness)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in that absolute nothingness

> > > > > > all that Is reality

> > > > > > imagines itself...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to be.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations...

> > > > >

> > > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the

soul " .....and

> > so

> > > > > on......

> > > > >

> > > > > :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all

live

> > in is

> > > > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of

the

> > > soul.

> > > >

> > > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure

get

> > > busy,

> > > > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred

that

> > > > begets war that begets all the ills of the world.

> > > >

> > > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war. I

> > have

> > > > much more to say, let that suffice for today.

> > > >

> > > > IMHI.

> > > >

> > > > Love and Peace,

> > > > Anna

> > > >

> > >

> > > ... " the hands of God " .....yes....

> > >

> > > but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem

to

> > be

> > > different....in different (ego) minds....

> > >

> > > whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open

the

> > > door to a nice " heaven " .....

> > >

> > > then there is nothingness......

> > > .... awareness rising......

> > >

> > > the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy "

in

> > > inner peace*.....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > and Anna,

> > >

> > >

> > > .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at....

> > >

> > > wish you to get healthy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this

your " hands

> of

> > > God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dearest Marc,

> >

> > Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced

and

> am

> > experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be

deemed

> > lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner

peace

> > involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful "

and

> > seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and

> > destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so-

called

> > normal folks.

> >

> > Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of us.

> > Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect

world

> in

> > our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all

around

> > us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE

SKILLFUL

> > MEANS OF GOD.

> >

> > GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM.

> >

> > Love,

> > Anna

>

>

> ok.....

>

> i have no problems with your perception of the " world " ....and

> of " God " .....

>

> if you feel to do/think/act....this your described path.....please

go

> on.......it will surely give you more and more....inner peace

>

>

> Marc

> >

>

 

 

....and now one needs to go into deeper into one's experience: " the

peace that passeth understanding " .

 

....the " cause " of duality.

 

 

Anna

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu

> Dong

> > > > > > > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to

search

> > > for.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas

> you

> > > have

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it,

> but

> > > you

> > > > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > That

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In

truth

> > you

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by

> helping

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is

> > > myself;

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no

> separation.

> > At

> > > > the

> > > > > > > root

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor:

> Jerry

> > > Katz,

> > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > > Dong

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the

mirror ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world,

> deluded

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

> > > > > travelling

> > > > > > > > soul,

> > > > > > > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like

> to

> > > do

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some

> other

> > > > body

> > > > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > look

> > > > > > > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my

> own

> > > > > deluded

> > > > > > > > words,

> > > > > > > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel

> through

> > > my

> > > > > > mirror

> > > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

> > > > > metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation

> > > between " a

> > > > > > > looker "

> > > > > > > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > > > > > called " looker " )

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a

> > > > thing...it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

> > > > > being...the

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is

just

> a

> > > > > natural

> > > > > > > flow

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is

what

> > > is...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that

what

> is

> > > can

> > > > > > > travel

> > > > > > > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> > > > > (something). ..

> > > > > > > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in

> > > oneness

> > > > > (not

> > > > > > > > > duality)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no

> > > body...it

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not

> becoming

> > > > > bigger

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and

your

> > > body

> > > > is

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars

and

> > the

> > > > > > > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet

> > > > mucis...or

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly

> will

> > > be

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I

> > > don't

> > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is

> > > supposed

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are

trying

> to

> > > > say.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lu

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > > > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest

> > > beingness...

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an

> > > > object...nothingnes

> > > > > s

> > > > > > > > > is...it

> > > > > > > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the

> > case...when

> > > > you

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > Im

> > > > > > > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a

cloud

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > sky...you

> > > > > > > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > > > > > > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > > > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

> > > > > openness...but

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is

> > > identification

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is

> the

> > > > > > treasure

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > > > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another

> > > cloud...

> > > > > > > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another

> cloud

> > > > > less...

> > > > > > > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love

wherever

> > the

> > > > > wind

> > > > > > > > > > blows...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ~~~~

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of

> my

> > > > clouds,

> > > > > > > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to

be

> > > every

> > > > > > cloud

> > > > > > > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into

> > > another.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can

> move

> > > you,

> > > > > > > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > > > > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you

> are

> > > > > > > > > nothingness...I am nothingness....there is not two

> > > > > > > nothingnesses...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > nice words

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yes....many " who " imagine/wish/desire....to have

> > influence

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > life of appearing " others " .....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > are like drops on the ocean.....which wish " other "

> drops

> > > to

> > > > > > > be/come

> > > > > > > > ocean....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it's a funny thing.....without any serious background

> > > > > > (nothingness)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but thats....again......what the world Is about.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it's about fantastic emotions and funny things....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > :)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in that absolute nothingness

> > > > > > > all that Is reality

> > > > > > > imagines itself...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > to be.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ahh.....yes....fantastic imaginations...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > about... " universal love " .... " the center of the

> soul " .....and

> > > so

> > > > > > on......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > :)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > IMHI (In my honest imagination) I know this world we all

> live

> > > in is

> > > > > held in the hands of 'God' or universal love, the center of

> the

> > > > soul.

> > > > >

> > > > > ... the folks who experience this and know this to be sure

> get

> > > > busy,

> > > > > recreating THAT instead of the insanity that begets hatred

> that

> > > > > begets war that begets all the ills of the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > The world is sick. It is sick to death of hatred and war.

I

> > > have

> > > > > much more to say, let that suffice for today.

> > > > >

> > > > > IMHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and Peace,

> > > > > Anna

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ... " the hands of God " .....yes....

> > > >

> > > > but the view about how this " hands of God " realy work....seem

> to

> > > be

> > > > different....in different (ego) minds....

> > > >

> > > > whenever ego (mind) is dead......then the " hands of God " open

> the

> > > > door to a nice " heaven " .....

> > > >

> > > > then there is nothingness......

> > > > .... awareness rising......

> > > >

> > > > the folks who enter this door.....get more and more.... " busy "

> in

> > > > inner peace*.....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > and Anna,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > .....the world is as sick...as the one " who " is looking at....

> > > >

> > > > wish you to get healthy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *wherever Is...this inner peace......there are this

> your " hands

> > of

> > > > God " .....breathing, eating, sleeping, ...and doing nice things

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dearest Marc,

> > >

> > > Advaita means not two, even though I Am, & I have experienced

> and

> > am

> > > experiencing inner peace (which includes ALL that would be

> deemed

> > > lacking peace) even with the world exactly as it is, my inner

> peace

> > > involves dealing with personal issues that are not " peaceful "

> and

> > > seeing the world at large, with hunger, illness, war, death and

> > > destruction and hatred just below the surface even with so-

> called

> > > normal folks.

> > >

> > > Please do not dismiss me. This world is the result of all of

us.

> > > Either we live in a world of fantasy conjuring up a perfect

> world

> > in

> > > our heads by being willfully oblivious to the suffering all

> around

> > > us, or we are participants in the REAL world, WE ARE THE

> SKILLFUL

> > > MEANS OF GOD.

> > >

> > > GOD HAS NO OTHER HANDS TO WORK WITH/FROM.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Anna

> >

> >

> > ok.....

> >

> > i have no problems with your perception of the " world " ....and

> > of " God " .....

> >

> > if you feel to do/think/act....this your described

path.....please

> go

> > on.......it will surely give you more and more....inner peace

> >

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> >

>

>

> ...and now one needs to go into deeper into one's experience: " the

> peace that passeth understanding " .

>

> ...the " cause " of duality.

>

>

> Anna

 

 

:)

 

you mean the " good and bad " world.....?

you mean " darkness and light " .....?

....

 

and all this funny things to fight for...or not?

 

Marc

 

 

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> > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You

> are

> > the

> > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> about

> > > your

> > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

don't.

> > > That

> > > > is

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do

not

> > help

> > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others

> you

> > > help

> > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in

> name

> > > and

> > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

> root

> > of

> > > > our

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

Lulu

> > Dong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough

> for

> > me

> > > > to

> > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my travelling

> > soul,

> > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do more

> > than

> > > to

> > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> > taking

> > > a

> > > > > look

> > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

> > words,

> > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

mirror

> > > into

> > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> looker "

> > > > > and " the

> > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > called " looker " )

> > > > for

> > > > > an

> > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it

is

> > pure

> > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in being...the

> so

> > > > called

> > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a natural

> > flow

> > > of

> > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> travel

> > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > >

> > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

(something). ..

> > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness (not

> > > duality)

> > > > >

> > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is

not

> a

> > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger

or

> > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > >

> > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

> part

> > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > clouds....if

> > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or

to

> > > > someone

> > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be

that

> > > > nothing-

> > > > > ness...

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > understand

> > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed to

> > write

> > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I

> > don't

> > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > ...find your own

> > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its

> not

> > > really

> > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes s

> > > is...it

> > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you

say

> > Im

> > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > sky...you

> > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> nothingness. ..the

> > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in openness...but

> > this

> > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

with

> > one

> > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

treasure

> > if

> > > you

> > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > > > blows...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~~~~

> > > >

> > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every cloud

> > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > >

> > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > >

> > > > Lulu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

> > nothingnesses. ..

> > > ...

> > >

> > > 1 nothingness

> > > 2 nothingnesses

> > > 3 nothingnesseses

> > > 4 nothingnesseseses

> > > LOL, ;)

> > > and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

> > >

> > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> > > And why can't we move from one body into another ?

> > >

> > > Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > the I am is not located in the body...

> > the body is in the I am...

> > all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

> > ...

> >

> >

> > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

> >

> > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for nothingness

> to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are

in

> nothingness ...

> >

> >

> > ? Lu

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> yes...all bodies are in nothingness. ..

> but nothingness is not a thing...

> and (the) no-thing can not move...

> why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> bodies ?

> ...

>

>

> I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

bodies.

>

> Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to

broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it.

> That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes,

> but through the eyes of all others.

>

> Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody.

> The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud.

> And I want every cloud to understand the sky.

> I want everybody to understand nothingness.

>

> For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that

every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky

understands every cloud.

> But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every

cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want all

my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no

difference between me and them, and that there is no difference

between any one cloud and another.

>

> That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one

body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from one

body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and

cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I " want

to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and every

cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am

all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ...

>

> When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another,

there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there,

I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into

another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the

idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as

such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of

being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and

everybody.

>

> The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another,

is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s bodies

and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are.

>

>

> Lulu

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ---

yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds so

they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a

lot...

 

what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ?

what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents

nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for

some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is

working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the good

stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any moment

something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to find a

real happy cloud...anyway. ..

you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can know

who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question....

if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible for

(it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what

or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is

the doer ?

....

 

 

nothingness is the doer.

 

if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened.

if we are deluded nothingness is deluded.

if we are happy, nothingness is happy

and if we are sad, nothingness is sad.

 

nothingness is all there is,

nothingness is the sky and the clouds ...

nothingness is you, nothingness is me,

knowing or not,

nothingness is all there is.

 

lulu

 

 

 

 

 

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> - In Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for. You

> > are

> > > the

> > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> > about

> > > > your

> > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

> don't.

> > > > That

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do

> not

> > > help

> > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping others

> > you

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself; in

> > name

> > > > and

> > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

> > root

> > > of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

> Lulu

> > > Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded enough

> > for

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

travelling

> > > soul,

> > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do

more

> > > than

> > > > to

> > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> > > taking

> > > > a

> > > > > > look

> > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own deluded

> > > words,

> > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

> mirror

> > > > into

> > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> > looker "

> > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > called " looker " )

> > > > > for

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it

> is

> > > pure

> > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

being...the

> > so

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a

natural

> > > flow

> > > > of

> > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> > travel

> > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> (something). ..

> > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness

(not

> > > > duality)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is

> not

> > a

> > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming bigger

> or

> > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

> > part

> > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or

> to

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be

> that

> > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > > understand

> > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed

to

> > > write

> > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I

> > > don't

> > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness... its

> > not

> > > > really

> > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes

s

> > > > is...it

> > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you

> say

> > > Im

> > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > > sky...you

> > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

openness...but

> > > this

> > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

> with

> > > one

> > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

> treasure

> > > if

> > > > you

> > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud less...

> > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the wind

> > > > > blows...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ~~~~

> > > > >

> > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every

cloud

> > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

> > > nothingnesses. ..

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > 1 nothingness

> > > > 2 nothingnesses

> > > > 3 nothingnesseses

> > > > 4 nothingnesseseses

> > > > LOL, ;)

> > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

> > > >

> > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ?

> > > >

> > > > Lu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > the I am is not located in the body...

> > > the body is in the I am...

> > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

> > >

> > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for

nothingness

> > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are

> in

> > nothingness ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ? Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. ..

> > but nothingness is not a thing...

> > and (the) no-thing can not move...

> > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> > bodies ?

> > ...

> >

> >

> > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> bodies.

> >

> > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to

> broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it.

> > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes,

> > but through the eyes of all others.

> >

> > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody.

> > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud.

> > And I want every cloud to understand the sky.

> > I want everybody to understand nothingness.

> >

> > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that

> every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky

> understands every cloud.

> > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every

> cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want

all

> my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no

> difference between me and them, and that there is no difference

> between any one cloud and another.

> >

> > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one

> body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from one

> body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and

> cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I "

want

> to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and

every

> cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am

> all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ...

> >

> > When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another,

> there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already there,

> I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into

> another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the

> idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as

> such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more of

> being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and

> everybody.

> >

> > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another,

> is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s

bodies

> and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are.

> >

> >

> > Lulu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds

so

> they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a

> lot...

>

> what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ?

> what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents

> nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for

> some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is

> working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the good

> stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any

moment

> something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to find

a

> real happy cloud...anyway. ..

> you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can

know

> who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question....

> if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible for

> (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what

> or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is

> the doer ?

> ...

>

>

> nothingness is the doer.

>

> if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened.

> if we are deluded nothingness is deluded.

> if we are happy, nothingness is happy

> and if we are sad, nothingness is sad.

>

> nothingness is all there is,

> nothingness is the sky and the clouds ...

> nothingness is you, nothingness is me,

> knowing or not,

> nothingness is all there is.

>

> lulu

>

>

true....

 

in reality.....nothingness is all there is.....

 

including all this nice dreams....to be " this or that "

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> - In Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > > <lulu.dong@ ..>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for.

You

> > are

> > > the

> > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> > about

> > > > your

> > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

> don't.

> > > > That

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do

> not

> > > help

> > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping

others

> > you

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself;

in

> > name

> > > > and

> > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

> > root

> > > of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

> Lulu

> > > Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded

enough

> > for

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

travelling

> > > soul,

> > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do

more

> > > than

> > > > to

> > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> > > taking

> > > > a

> > > > > > look

> > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own

deluded

> > > words,

> > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

> mirror

> > > > into

> > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> > looker "

> > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > called " looker " )

> > > > > for

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it

> is

> > > pure

> > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

being...the

> > so

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a

natural

> > > flow

> > > > of

> > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> > travel

> > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> (something). ..

> > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness

(not

> > > > duality)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is

> not

> > a

> > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming

bigger

> or

> > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

> > part

> > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or

> to

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be

> that

> > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > > understand

> > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed

to

> > > write

> > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I

> > > don't

> > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness...

its

> > not

> > > > really

> > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes

s

> > > > is...it

> > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you

> say

> > > Im

> > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > > sky...you

> > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

openness...but

> > > this

> > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

> with

> > > one

> > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

> treasure

> > > if

> > > > you

> > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud

less...

> > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the

wind

> > > > > blows...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ~~~~

> > > > >

> > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every

cloud

> > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

> > > nothingnesses. ..

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > 1 nothingness

> > > > 2 nothingnesses

> > > > 3 nothingnesseses

> > > > 4 nothingnesseseses

> > > > LOL, ;)

> > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

> > > >

> > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ?

> > > >

> > > > Lu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > the I am is not located in the body...

> > > the body is in the I am...

> > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

> > >

> > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for

nothingness

> > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are

> in

> > nothingness ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ? Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. ..

> > but nothingness is not a thing...

> > and (the) no-thing can not move...

> > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> > bodies ?

> > ...

> >

> >

> > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> bodies.

> >

> > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to

> broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it.

> > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes,

> > but through the eyes of all others.

> >

> > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody.

> > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud.

> > And I want every cloud to understand the sky.

> > I want everybody to understand nothingness.

> >

> > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that

> every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky

> understands every cloud.

> > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every

> cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want

all

> my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no

> difference between me and them, and that there is no difference

> between any one cloud and another.

> >

> > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one

> body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from

one

> body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and

> cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I "

want

> to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and

every

> cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am

> all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ...

> >

> > When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another,

> there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already

there,

> I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into

> another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the

> idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as

> such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more

of

> being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and

> everybody.

> >

> > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another,

> is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s

bodies

> and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are.

> >

> >

> > Lulu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds

so

> they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a

> lot...

>

> what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ?

> what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents

> nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for

> some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is

> working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the

good

> stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any

moment

> something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to

find a

> real happy cloud...anyway. ..

> you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can

know

> who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question....

> if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible

for

> (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what

> or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is

> the doer ?

> ...

>

>

> nothingness is the doer.

>

> if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened.

> if we are deluded nothingness is deluded.

> if we are happy, nothingness is happy

> and if we are sad, nothingness is sad.

>

> nothingness is all there is,

> nothingness is the sky and the clouds ...

> nothingness is you, nothingness is me,

> knowing or not,

> nothingness is all there is.

>

> lulu

>

>

>

>

>

how can no-thing-ness be the doer...

how can no-thing-ness be enlightened...deluded...happy...sad...

how can nothingness be reduced to just something...

....

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> > > > > > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong

> > > > lulu.dong

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no second, or higher self to search for.

You

> > are

> > > the

> > > > > > > > highest self, only give up the false ideas you have

> > about

> > > > your

> > > > > > > self.

> > > > > > > > (517)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My self and your self are one. I know it, but you

> don't.

> > > > That

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > the difference . (88)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Helping others is mere imagination. In truth you do

> not

> > > help

> > > > > > > > others, because there are no others. (313)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In reality there are no others, and by helping

others

> > you

> > > > help

> > > > > > > > yourself. (383)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am the other person, the other person is myself;

in

> > name

> > > > and

> > > > > > > shape

> > > > > > > > we are different, but there is no separation. At the

> > root

> > > of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > we are one. (511)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj

> > > > > > > > Page numbers are from the book I Am That.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Forward from Nondual Highlights Editor: Jerry Katz,

> Lulu

> > > Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where will I come out if I enter the mirror ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the exit ?

> > > > > > > > Where will my imagination take me ?

> > > > > > > > Where is the end of my imagination ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a deluded self in this world, deluded

enough

> > for

> > > me

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > step inside ?

> > > > > > > > Is there a body deluded enough, to adopt my

travelling

> > > soul,

> > > > > > > letting me look out of his or her eyes ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is nothing in this world I would like to do

more

> > > than

> > > > to

> > > > > > > step through my mirror and travel into some other body

> > > taking

> > > > a

> > > > > > look

> > > > > > > at my own deluded self, taking a look at my own

deluded

> > > words,

> > > > > > > listen to my own deluded voice.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Want you tell me how, how can I travel through my

> mirror

> > > > into

> > > > > > > yours ?

> > > > > > > > How can I travel from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lulu Dong

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > maby its a bit misleading to use the mirror-

metaphor. ..

> > > > > > > because it can appear to be a separation between " a

> > looker "

> > > > > > and " the

> > > > > > > on-looked " (mirage)...just dont take the (so

> > > called " looker " )

> > > > > for

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > object...a thing...it is not an object or a thing...it

> is

> > > pure

> > > > > > > nothing-ness. ..and when this is realized in

being...the

> > so

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > mirror can never become a problem...it is just a

natural

> > > flow

> > > > of

> > > > > > > life...it is not a mirror anymore...it is what is...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Want you tell me how nothing-ness or that what is can

> > travel

> > > > > > from my body into yours ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lulu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what can travel from one place to another is

> (something). ..

> > > > > > (not nothing-ness) ...

> > > > > > all (somethings) are within nothingness. ..in oneness

(not

> > > > duality)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nothingness cannot move...because it has no body...it is

> not

> > a

> > > > > > thing...it is not in movement...it is not becoming

bigger

> or

> > > > > > smaller..hotter or colder...faster or slower...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " what is " is within this nothingness. ..and your body is

> > part

> > > > > > of " what is " just like the birds and the cars and the

> > > > clouds....if

> > > > > > you listen to " what is " like a piece of sweet mucis...or

> to

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > that you love deeply with all your heart...

> > > > > > then there is a chance that you will knowingly will be

> that

> > > > > nothing-

> > > > > > ness...

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sorry again, but when I read your message I don't

> > > understand

> > > > > my own deluded words, I don't see that myself is supposed

to

> > > write

> > > > > your words, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I

> > > don't

> > > > > see my nothing-ness in you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > ...find your own

> > > > > nothingness. ..its the nearest and dearest beingness...

its

> > not

> > > > really

> > > > > your nothingness. ..because its not an object...nothingnes

s

> > > > is...it

> > > > > is your natural nature...it is already the case...when you

> say

> > > Im

> > > > > sorry again...then this sorry is what is...a cloud in the

> > > > sky...you

> > > > > are the sky...the sky loves all the clouds in

> > nothingness. ..the

> > > > > clouds are treasures if you listen to them in

openness...but

> > > this

> > > > > openness is appearently lost when there is identification

> with

> > > one

> > > > > cloud or another...so. ..(clouds) or what is...is the

> treasure

> > > if

> > > > you

> > > > > know how to welcome in open nothingness. ...

> > > > > it is not that one cloud is better than another cloud...

> > > > > it is that you love one cloud more and another cloud

less...

> > > > > love all clouds and you will be with love wherever the

wind

> > > > > blows...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ~~~~

> > > > >

> > > > > assume I am the clear blue sky and you, one of my clouds,

> > > > > wish to be more than a cloud, your wish is to be every

cloud

> > > > > and you wish to freely move from one cloud into another.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any suggestion how I, the clear blue sky, can move you,

> > > > > from one cloud into another ? :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > the sky does not do anything about the clouds...

> > > > and you (the I am) can not move me (the I am)...you are

> > > > nothingness. ..I am nothingness. ...there is not two

> > > nothingnesses. ..

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > 1 nothingness

> > > > 2 nothingnesses

> > > > 3 nothingnesseses

> > > > 4 nothingnesseseses

> > > > LOL, ;)

> > > > and your I am is the same as my I am ?

> > > > Your nothingness is the same as my nothingness ?

> > > >

> > > > how come we are in two different bodies ( clouds )

> > > > And why can't we move from one body into another ?

> > > >

> > > > Lu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > the I am is not located in the body...

> > > the body is in the I am...

> > > all is in the I am...in nothingness. ..

> > > ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ... not the clouds are the sky but the sky is the clouds ...

> > >

> > > than it shouldn't really be such a great problem for

nothingness

> > to move from one body into another, since all bodies already are

> in

> > nothingness ...

> > >

> > >

> > > ? Lu

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > yes...all bodies are in nothingness. ..

> > but nothingness is not a thing...

> > and (the) no-thing can not move...

> > why do you want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> > bodies ?

> > ...

> >

> >

> > I do not want to reduce nothingness to mere movements between

> bodies.

> >

> > Through moving nothingness from one body into another, I want to

> broaden the understanding of nothingness, I want to expand it.

> > That I not only see nothingness through mine or your eyes,

> > but through the eyes of all others.

> >

> > Nothingness is not only my body, nothingness is everybody.

> > The sky is not only my cloud, the sky is every cloud.

> > And I want every cloud to understand the sky.

> > I want everybody to understand nothingness.

> >

> > For if only my cloud understands the sky, it doesn't mean that

> every cloud understands the sky, nor does it mean that the sky

> understands every cloud.

> > But the sky is every cloud, and if I am the sky, I want every

> cloud to understand nothingness, because if I am the sky, I want

all

> my clouds to know who they are and who I am and that there is no

> difference between me and them, and that there is no difference

> between any one cloud and another.

> >

> > That is why I want to learn how to move nothingness from one

> body into another, or how to move nothingness' s awareness from

one

> body into another, because nothingness is not only my body and

> cloud, nothingness is everybody and every cloud, that's why " I "

want

> to move " my " knowledge and " my " awareness about every body and

every

> cloud into every other body and every other cloud, because " I " am

> all of these other bodies and all of these other clouds ...

> >

> > When moving nothingness' s awareness from one body into another,

> there is nothing moving, nothingness is, as you say, already

there,

> I just likes the idea, of moving nothingness from one body into

> another, I like the idea of being more than one body, I like the

> idea of being everybody, I like the idea of being the sky, and as

> such a sky, being every cloud, and I like the idea more and more

of

> being nothingness and as such nothingness being every thing and

> everybody.

> >

> > The reason for moving nothingness from one thing into another,

> is because as nothingness, all this clouds are nothingness' s

bodies

> and I, nothingness, want all of this bodies to know who they are.

> >

> >

> > Lulu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> yes...you seem to like the idea to move nothingness to all clouds

so

> they can know who they are...and it seem like you like this idea a

> lot...

>

> what if the sky can never be known from the clouds point of view ?

> what if it is the taking oneself to be a cloud that prevents

> nothingness. ..or at least appear to do so...I mean a cloud is for

> some reason almost never really happy...most of the time there is

> working on the improvement- plan or trying to keep up with the

good

> stuff and avoiding the fear-down... its a struggle-road. ..any

moment

> something can change the whole cloud-world. ..its very rear to

find a

> real happy cloud...anyway. ..

> you go ahead and try to open the eyes of the clouds so they can

know

> who they are....nothings wrong with anything.... but a question....

> if nothingness is nothingness. ..it looks like it is impossible

for

> (it) to do something about anything...if this is true....then what

> or who is it that is doing stuff like trying to open eyes...who is

> the doer ?

> ...

>

>

> nothingness is the doer.

>

> if we are enlightened, nothingness is enlightened.

> if we are deluded nothingness is deluded.

> if we are happy, nothingness is happy

> and if we are sad, nothingness is sad.

>

> nothingness is all there is,

> nothingness is the sky and the clouds ...

> nothingness is you, nothingness is me,

> knowing or not,

> nothingness is all there is.

>

> lulu

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ---

how can no-thing-ness be the doer...

how can no-thing-ness be enlightened. ..deluded. ..happy.. .sad...

how can nothingness be reduced to just something...

....

 

 

No other thing than nothingness is the doer that makes the mind feel

enlightened, deluded, happy and sad and reduces nothingness to something.

There is no other thing than nothingness.

 

you say that nothingness includes all things and none.

something is in nothingness, everything and no-thing are in nothingness.

 

the body is in nothingness, the mind is in nothingness, the heart is in

nothingness, all things are in nothingness.

 

if the body moves through nothingness, no thing other than nothingness moves

the body.

 

how that is done ? It's a magic trick with mirrors.

...Lulu

 

 

 

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