Are hormones addictive? / no, but hatred is addiction itself?

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Simalarity between the chemical composition

> of some harmones and some 'drugs' are quite

> well known.

>

> It is also well known that many people

> are found 'addicted' to certain kind of

> beahviour and they do that on pretty

> regular basis even after repeated attempts

> to 'change'! They do it even when those

> activities seem to harm them great a deal.

> They keep doing it even when logically,

> rationally they understand that what

> they are doing is not doing them real good!

>

> Many drug-adicts too exhibit very

> similar behaviour!

>

>

> People [including 'couples'] who are addicted

> to a particular kind of behaviour [drama]

> start feeling very lonely, depressed when

> the don't find their regular 'dosage'

> of that [hormone inducing] behaviour!

>

> Many drug-adicts too exhibit very

> similar pattern!

>

>

> Most human behaviours that many

> humans are said 'addicted' to including

> sex, romance, daydreaming, saddism,

> maschoism, torture, jealousy,

> falling in love, reliegon, prayer,

> 'power', is found to be linked to specific

> kind of harmones.

>

> Within myself, I have observed similar

> 'sensations' each time I have expereinced

> any particular 'emotion'. I have also

> seen myself reverting back to the same kind of

> 'behavorial pattern' resulting into

> same 'emotional pattern' that results

> into same 'hormonal pattern'!

>

> I have observed this [reverting back to

> the same kind of 'behavorial pattern']

> in others [including babies, kids, teen-agers,

> adults] too!

>

>

> Do you think it is because the hormones are

> very addictive and many of us are in fact

> 'addicted' to them?

>

>

>

> [...]

>

 

Interesting that you should be focusing on addiction, at this time.

I've just discovered that it's possible to be addicted to hatred

without knowing it. I've just discovered that it's possible to " be

one of the, if not the most compassionate people, ever, " and still to

be TOTALLY addicted to hatred. I've just discovered that passionate

love, romance, can be an addiction to hatred.

 

Seems as though most fear is actually, also, hatred. As in the

phrase, " fear and loathing. " Fear AS loathing, and loathing AS fear,

precisely. No fear, no loathing, no loathing, no fear.

 

Seems as though liberation, " moksha, " is simply abstinence: abstinence

from hatred. Seems as though Lenin's dictum, " the state is an

instrument of terror, " can also be stated as " the state is an

instrument of hatred. " 9/11 is our current state addiction.

 

The difference between an addiction and a need? Vindictiveness.

Sleeping, eating, breathing are generally not expressions of

aggression. But we certainlyl abuse others and ourselves out of

aggression.

 

I would insist that there is no " addiction " without aggression.

Hatred is just aggression.

 

So, no, I wouldn't call hormones addictive.

 

I heard a psychiatrist say something refreshing about addiction. He

said that people aren't really addicted to drugs. Now that sounds

pretty astounding! What he insists is that what people are " addicted "

to is really abuse. His experience is that it's just as easy to be

addicted to heroin as it is to alcohol or any other drug. And that

one can just as " easily " shift from addiction to one or an other

chemical drug, into forms of physical, sexual or emotional violence.

 

In other words, addiction is nothing more or less than addiction to

abuse in one form or another. (And, as I say, abuse is merely hatred.)

 

Interesting, no?

 

Is liberation, indeed then, not merely,

 

 

 

 

 

 

freedom from hatred?

 

 

 

 

(especially, as in

 

 

from one moment

 

to another!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Simalarity between the chemical composition

> > of some harmones and some 'drugs' are quite

> > well known.

> >

> > It is also well known that many people

> > are found 'addicted' to certain kind of

> > beahviour and they do that on pretty

> > regular basis even after repeated attempts

> > to 'change'! They do it even when those

> > activities seem to harm them great a deal.

> > They keep doing it even when logically,

> > rationally they understand that what

> > they are doing is not doing them real good!

> >

> > Many drug-adicts too exhibit very

> > similar behaviour!

> >

> >

> > People [including 'couples'] who are addicted

> > to a particular kind of behaviour [drama]

> > start feeling very lonely, depressed when

> > the don't find their regular 'dosage'

> > of that [hormone inducing] behaviour!

> >

> > Many drug-adicts too exhibit very

> > similar pattern!

> >

> >

> > Most human behaviours that many

> > humans are said 'addicted' to including

> > sex, romance, daydreaming, saddism,

> > maschoism, torture, jealousy,

> > falling in love, reliegon, prayer,

> > 'power', is found to be linked to specific

> > kind of harmones.

> >

> > Within myself, I have observed similar

> > 'sensations' each time I have expereinced

> > any particular 'emotion'. I have also

> > seen myself reverting back to the same kind of

> > 'behavorial pattern' resulting into

> > same 'emotional pattern' that results

> > into same 'hormonal pattern'!

> >

> > I have observed this [reverting back to

> > the same kind of 'behavorial pattern']

> > in others [including babies, kids, teen-agers,

> > adults] too!

> >

> >

> > Do you think it is because the hormones are

> > very addictive and many of us are in fact

> > 'addicted' to them?

> >

> >

> >

> > [...]

> >

>

> Interesting that you should be focusing on addiction, at this time.

 

I don't know what you mean by " this time " .

 

To me " this time " is as good as " other time " .

 

If you are alluding to the posts about my

'fights' with my wife, it is not something

new to me and it is certainly not more 'troubling'

now than it was in past. In fact, now it is much

less troubling and much easier that it was before.

 

 

 

 

> I've just discovered that it's possible to be addicted to hatred

> without knowing it.

 

That could be true.

 

In my expereince, yes, it is possible to

be addicted and not know it.

 

But, why do you bring it here?

 

Do you think I am addicted to 'hatred'?

 

 

 

> I've just discovered that it's possible to " be

> one of the, if not the most compassionate people, ever, " and still to

> be TOTALLY addicted to hatred. I've just discovered that passionate

> love, romance, can be an addiction to hatred.

 

 

Why do you bring it here?

 

Do you think I am addicted to 'hatred'?

 

 

>

> Seems as though most fear is actually, also, hatred. As in the

> phrase, " fear and loathing. " Fear AS loathing, and loathing AS fear,

> precisely. No fear, no loathing, no loathing, no fear.

 

 

Yes. I have seen that

you can't love what you fear!

 

i.e. unless you love the Fear

itself as in Extreme Sports,

Watching Scary Movies, Big

Roller Costers, Dangerous

sports and games!

 

Further, like " love " ,

" fear " and " hatred " too is

no a 'constant' condition!

 

In my expereince, there is NO

'constant' condition!

 

I love when I do...

 

I don't when I don't.

 

 

Same with fear, fight, hatred

and everything else. They too come

and go...

 

 

 

>

> Seems as though liberation, " moksha, " is simply abstinence: abstinence

> from hatred. Seems as though Lenin's dictum, " the state is an

> instrument of terror, " can also be stated as " the state is an

> instrument of hatred. " 9/11 is our current state addiction.

>

> The difference between an addiction and a need? Vindictiveness.

> Sleeping, eating, breathing are generally not expressions of

> aggression. But we certainlyl abuse others and ourselves out of

> aggression.

>

> I would insist that there is no " addiction " without aggression.

> Hatred is just aggression.

 

 

I can't say I understand hatred.

I perahps am less familiar with hatred

than with many other emotions.

 

 

>

> So, no, I wouldn't call hormones addictive.

>

> I heard a psychiatrist say something refreshing about addiction. He

> said that people aren't really addicted to drugs. Now that sounds

> pretty astounding! What he insists is that what people are " addicted "

> to is really abuse. His experience is that it's just as easy to be

> addicted to heroin as it is to alcohol or any other drug. And that

> one can just as " easily " shift from addiction to one or an other

> chemical drug, into forms of physical, sexual or emotional violence.

 

I would say that some people are

more prone to become 'addicted'

than other.

 

 

>

> In other words, addiction is nothing more or less than addiction to

> abuse in one form or another. (And, as I say, abuse is merely hatred.)

 

And, I again has to say that

I suspect I am not that much

familar with hatred.

 

And, I have ceratinly expereinced

fear many times without feeling

hatred.

 

>

> Interesting, no?

 

I don't know.

 

>

> Is liberation, indeed then, not merely,

freedom from hatred?

 

I don't know.

 

To me, liberation is

 

Freedom from thinking!

 

 

ANYTIME you are free from thinking...

You KNOW you are liberated!

 

 

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