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What is the purpose of my life?

 

Why do I live?

 

Why do I " work " ?

 

Why do I " do " ?

 

 

 

These are the questions I have asked myself many times.

 

 

I can't say I have found any " real " answers

because none of my answers have stayed.

 

 

 

Why do I " work " ...

 

Why do I " do " ...

 

 

when paece, happiness, inner love is not

dependent on things outside, on the results

of what I do or what I accomplish...

 

 

Why do I " do " ...

when all that is really important to me is

paece...

 

and, when peace is not dependent on anything that

I do?

 

 

 

 

Do these questions occur to you too?

 

Have they EVER occured to you?

 

Have you found any real answer to them?

 

 

Can you share that answer with us

without telling us

 

how " enlightened " and how

" beyond all these questions "

you really are???

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> What is the purpose of my life?

>

> Why do I live?

>

> Why do I " work " ?

>

> Why do I " do " ?

>

>

>

> These are the questions I have asked myself many times.

>

>

> I can't say I have found any " real " answers

> because none of my answers have stayed.

>

>

>

> Why do I " work " ...

>

> Why do I " do " ...

>

>

> when paece, happiness, inner love is not

> dependent on things outside, on the results

> of what I do or what I accomplish...

>

>

> Why do I " do " ...

> when all that is really important to me is

> paece...

>

> and, when peace is not dependent on anything that

> I do?

>

>

>

>

> Do these questions occur to you too?

>

> Have they EVER occured to you?

>

> Have you found any real answer to them?

>

>

> Can you share that answer with us

> without telling us

>

> how " enlightened " and how

> " beyond all these questions "

> you really are???

>

 

 

 

I've been asking myself the same question, Arvind.

You have duties of a householder. Children. Wife. Parents.

 

I am finished with my householder duties. So I work to try to save

my home, to drive my car and pay insurance to drive to work to...

seems like a cycle no?

 

So do I love what I do? I am learning to love it, more and more

each day. I am learning to love the elderly I take care of, and no

longer am surprised at them or myself in our interactions. Much to

savour in this. It's all about acceptance. And the journey to.

Perhaps some poems or stories garneered for later.

 

However, the time I am interfacing in these groups with folks such

as you, and sky and stefan, and patricia and robert and toomie and

lulu and all the others who have come and gone is where I'd love to

spend most of my time. That and living in Costa Rica operating a

bed & breakfast with my family and inviting all of " you " to break

bread sing a song and sit silently in presence.

 

with a great big bear hug,

Anna

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Thanks a lot for your kind,

generous and loving reply,

Anna!

 

As I read in religeous books,

many spiritual books and read

the history and psychology

of religeons and spirituality -

I was repeatedly told that finding

" true purpose " was really important

for most/all humans and that pretty

much all humans had that 'question'.

 

To me this question is even more

important because in general, I am

not a very disciplined, organized,

well-planned guy. And, I think without

having a real inner purpose that I

find compelling enough - it would be

difficult/impossible to do so.

 

 

Finding a real lasting purpose has become

even more important since

I had a shift and understood that

'who I thought I was'... was just

a 'story' that I told myself. I asked

if not for that " me " then for " whom "

and " why " ????

 

 

Please allow me forward something from

another list to illustrate it little

better:

 

 

--------------------------------

 

Thanks for your reply, SD!

 

Please allow me to ask it another way.

 

What are the guiding principles in your life?

 

When presented with choices how do you

make decision on which one to choose?

 

What guides and dictates your " goals " ?

 

What guides and dictates your " objectives " ?

 

What guides and dictates your long

and short term planning?

 

 

What makes you " endure " physical

hardships?

 

When faced with situations that

are not 'pleasurable' and comforting

to the body... what makes you

bear them... for what end?

 

 

Regards,

Arvind.

 

 

 

 

>

> Dear AC,

>

> Life has a purpose? Is that true?

> I can not find any proof of that.

> Can we find something real and meaningful in an illusion? We can

> think that there is, but it is only more illusion.

>

> I have heard Katie say that the first lie was " I " .

> So, I live? I work? I do?

> They are all really good stories, but for me, they are simply

> stories. They are all part of this illusion we call " our life " . All

> just part of the complex story we have written to avoid the Truth

> that we are Peace, Love and Happiness.

>

> I do not expect anyone else to believe this, for it is based upon my

> own experience. When I first did The Work on " I am " and found that

> the turn around was at least as true, if not truer " I am not " , my

> mind was literally blown. I also found that " I am not " was the most

> peaceful of the two choices. If " I am " was true then " doing " seemed

> to go along with that and that doing brought with it responsibilities.

>

> I can assure you that it took awhile to become comfortable with the

> concept that my life has no purpose, but once I did, I became much

> more peaceful.

>

> Now, when it appears that I have all these preferences, it seems

> really insane. How can " no one " have preferences? So, I inquire

> into these preferences of mind and I see that they are merely habits

> of thinking.

>

> I notice right now that I prefered to type this post rather than to

> take a walk? And I am aware that non of that is true.

>

> Love, Steve D.

 

 

--------------------------------

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > What is the purpose of my life?

> >

> > Why do I live?

> >

> > Why do I " work " ?

> >

> > Why do I " do " ?

> >

> >

> >

> > These are the questions I have asked myself many times.

> >

> >

> > I can't say I have found any " real " answers

> > because none of my answers have stayed.

> >

> >

> >

> > Why do I " work " ...

> >

> > Why do I " do " ...

> >

> >

> > when paece, happiness, inner love is not

> > dependent on things outside, on the results

> > of what I do or what I accomplish...

> >

> >

> > Why do I " do " ...

> > when all that is really important to me is

> > paece...

> >

> > and, when peace is not dependent on anything that

> > I do?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Do these questions occur to you too?

> >

> > Have they EVER occured to you?

> >

> > Have you found any real answer to them?

> >

> >

> > Can you share that answer with us

> > without telling us

> >

> > how " enlightened " and how

> > " beyond all these questions "

> > you really are???

> >

>

>

>

> I've been asking myself the same question, Arvind.

> You have duties of a householder. Children. Wife. Parents.

>

> I am finished with my householder duties. So I work to try to save

> my home, to drive my car and pay insurance to drive to work to...

> seems like a cycle no?

>

> So do I love what I do? I am learning to love it, more and more

> each day. I am learning to love the elderly I take care of, and no

> longer am surprised at them or myself in our interactions. Much to

> savour in this. It's all about acceptance. And the journey to.

> Perhaps some poems or stories garneered for later.

>

> However, the time I am interfacing in these groups with folks such

> as you, and sky and stefan, and patricia and robert and toomie and

> lulu and all the others who have come and gone is where I'd love to

> spend most of my time. That and living in Costa Rica operating a

> bed & breakfast with my family and inviting all of " you " to break

> bread sing a song and sit silently in presence.

>

> with a great big bear hug,

> Anna

>

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Arvind, thank you for your questions and your invitation!

 

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

 

>What is the purpose of my life?

>Why do I live?

>Why do I " work " ?

>Why do I " do " ?

>These are the questions I have asked myself many times.

>I can't say I have found any " real " answers

>because none of my answers have stayed.

 

Oh yes, I can relate to that. Because no answers have stayed I started

to ask " how " . How is it possible... I live and I do not even know what

that " I " is... if there is any at all. It is so strange and amazing.

Maybe it is better to be a living question than a living answer?

 

>when peace, happiness, inner love is not

>dependent on things outside, on the results

>of what I do or what I accomplish...

>Why do I " do " ...

>when all that is really important to me is

>peace...

>and, when peace is not dependent on anything that

>I do?

 

I found, if I want to do something or not... it is all happening

anyway. Every morning the curtain opens for another act. Nobody is

asking me if I want to be part of it. Music and dance, but also

struggle for peace, love and happiness, all is part of it.

 

>Can you share that answer with us

>without telling us

>how " enlightened " and how

> " beyond all these questions "

>you really are???

 

Haha! This is difficult, man! Who knows what kind of stuff spiritual

people will read between my lines. If it sounds confused... thats

maybe it.

 

Love

Stefan

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Have you tried not to live,

not to work and not to do ? ( Shakespeare )

 

I find it is impossible not to live, that's why I live.

I find that life is easier to bear with some money, that's why I work.

And I find that not to do goes against my nature, that's why I do what I can

to help enlighten others and reduce their suffering.

 

Lulu

 

 

 

 

What is the purpose of my life?

 

Why do I live?

 

Why do I " work " ?

 

Why do I " do " ?

 

These are the questions I have asked myself many times.

 

I can't say I have found any " real " answers

because none of my answers have stayed.

 

Why do I " work " ...

 

Why do I " do " ...

 

when paece, happiness, inner love is not

dependent on things outside, on the results

of what I do or what I accomplish.. .

 

Why do I " do " ...

when all that is really important to me is

paece...

 

and, when peace is not dependent on anything that

I do?

 

Do these questions occur to you too?

 

Have they EVER occured to you?

 

Have you found any real answer to them?

 

Can you share that answer with us

without telling us

 

how " enlightened " and how

" beyond all these questions "

you really are???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote:

>

> Have you tried not to live,

> not to work and not to do ? ( Shakespeare )

>

> I find it is impossible not to live, that's why I live.

> I find that life is easier to bear with some money, that's why I

work.

> And I find that not to do goes against my nature, that's why I

do what I can to help enlighten others and reduce their suffering.

>

> Lulu

 

 

Gassho,

 

Lulu Stefan and Arvind

 

>

>

>

>

> What is the purpose of my life?

>

> Why do I live?

>

> Why do I " work " ?

>

> Why do I " do " ?

>

> These are the questions I have asked myself many times.

>

> I can't say I have found any " real " answers

> because none of my answers have stayed.

>

> Why do I " work " ...

>

> Why do I " do " ...

>

> when paece, happiness, inner love is not

> dependent on things outside, on the results

> of what I do or what I accomplish.. .

>

> Why do I " do " ...

> when all that is really important to me is

> paece...

>

> and, when peace is not dependent on anything that

> I do?

>

> Do these questions occur to you too?

>

> Have they EVER occured to you?

>

> Have you found any real answer to them?

>

> Can you share that answer with us

> without telling us

>

> how " enlightened " and how

> " beyond all these questions "

> you really are???

>

 

>

>

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> >

> > Have you tried not to live,

> > not to work and not to do ? ( Shakespeare )

> >

> > I find it is impossible not to live, that's why I live.

> > I find that life is easier to bear with some money, that's why

I

> work.

> > And I find that not to do goes against my nature, that's why I

> do what I can to help enlighten others and reduce their suffering.

> >

> > Lulu

>

>

> Gassho,

>

> Lulu Stefan and Arvind

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What is the purpose of my life?

> >

> > Why do I live?

> >

> > Why do I " work " ?

> >

> > Why do I " do " ?

> >

> > These are the questions I have asked myself many times.

> >

> > I can't say I have found any " real " answers

> > because none of my answers have stayed.

> >

> > Why do I " work " ...

> >

> > Why do I " do " ...

> >

> > when paece, happiness, inner love is not

> > dependent on things outside, on the results

> > of what I do or what I accomplish.. .

> >

> > Why do I " do " ...

> > when all that is really important to me is

> > paece...

> >

> > and, when peace is not dependent on anything that

> > I do?

> >

> > Do these questions occur to you too?

> >

> > Have they EVER occured to you?

> >

> > Have you found any real answer to them?

> >

> > Can you share that answer with us

> > without telling us

> >

> > how " enlightened " and how

> > " beyond all these questions "

> > you really are???

> >

 

Anyone attempting answering your question is making a fool of him/her

self. Not unusual among seekers on-the-path-of-enlightenment tho.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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--- Johan <yohansky wrote:

 

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> <kailashana

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong

> <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Have you tried not to live,

> > > not to work and not to do ? ( Shakespeare )

> > >

> > > I find it is impossible not to live, that's

> why I live.

> > > I find that life is easier to bear with some

> money, that's why

> I

> > work.

> > > And I find that not to do goes against my

> nature, that's why I

> > do what I can to help enlighten others and reduce

> their suffering.

> > >

> > > Lulu

> >

> >

> > Gassho,

> >

> > Lulu Stefan and Arvind

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What is the purpose of my life?

> > >

> > > Why do I live?

> > >

> > > Why do I " work " ?

> > >

> > > Why do I " do " ?

> > >

> > > These are the questions I have asked myself many

> times.

> > >

> > > I can't say I have found any " real " answers

> > > because none of my answers have stayed.

> > >

> > > Why do I " work " ...

> > >

> > > Why do I " do " ...

> > >

> > > when paece, happiness, inner love is not

> > > dependent on things outside, on the results

> > > of what I do or what I accomplish.. .

> > >

> > > Why do I " do " ...

> > > when all that is really important to me is

> > > paece...

> > >

> > > and, when peace is not dependent on anything

> that

> > > I do?

> > >

> > > Do these questions occur to you too?

> > >

> > > Have they EVER occured to you?

> > >

> > > Have you found any real answer to them?

> > >

> > > Can you share that answer with us

> > > without telling us

> > >

> > > how " enlightened " and how

> > > " beyond all these questions "

> > > you really are???

> > >

>

> Anyone attempting answering your question is making

> a fool of him/her

> self. Not unusual among seekers

> on-the-path-of-enlightenment tho.

 

///////

 

I do not agree.

 

It appears some may not attempt to answer questions or

communicate because they *know* they will expose their

foolishness. I do not mean people new to the

*beliefs* alleged to be held here. I mean people who

have been at this for a long time and who have

participated in the development of their own

particular interpretation of the ideas. Read the

books, new people.

 

It appears the developers tend to sit back in their

assumed enlightenment and once in a while step in to

tell others how foolish they are, or to discourage

communication to make their approach to not being

exposed the norm. Or, they join-in to show their

approval for someone who appears to *believe* as they

do.

 

Result: grid-lock

 

Noel

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote:

>

>

>

> --- Johan <yohansky wrote:

>

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > <kailashana@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong

> > <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Have you tried not to live,

> > > > not to work and not to do ? ( Shakespeare )

> > > >

> > > > I find it is impossible not to live, that's

> > why I live.

> > > > I find that life is easier to bear with some

> > money, that's why

> > I

> > > work.

> > > > And I find that not to do goes against my

> > nature, that's why I

> > > do what I can to help enlighten others and reduce

> > their suffering.

> > > >

> > > > Lulu

> > >

> > >

> > > Gassho,

> > >

> > > Lulu Stefan and Arvind

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What is the purpose of my life?

> > > >

> > > > Why do I live?

> > > >

> > > > Why do I " work " ?

> > > >

> > > > Why do I " do " ?

> > > >

> > > > These are the questions I have asked myself many

> > times.

> > > >

> > > > I can't say I have found any " real " answers

> > > > because none of my answers have stayed.

> > > >

> > > > Why do I " work " ...

> > > >

> > > > Why do I " do " ...

> > > >

> > > > when paece, happiness, inner love is not

> > > > dependent on things outside, on the results

> > > > of what I do or what I accomplish.. .

> > > >

> > > > Why do I " do " ...

> > > > when all that is really important to me is

> > > > paece...

> > > >

> > > > and, when peace is not dependent on anything

> > that

> > > > I do?

> > > >

> > > > Do these questions occur to you too?

> > > >

> > > > Have they EVER occured to you?

> > > >

> > > > Have you found any real answer to them?

> > > >

> > > > Can you share that answer with us

> > > > without telling us

> > > >

> > > > how " enlightened " and how

> > > > " beyond all these questions "

> > > > you really are???

> > > >

> >

> > Anyone attempting answering your question is making

> > a fool of him/her

> > self. Not unusual among seekers

> > on-the-path-of-enlightenment tho.

>

> ///////

>

> I do not agree.

>

> It appears some may not attempt to answer questions or

> communicate because they *know* they will expose their

> foolishness. I do not mean people new to the

> *beliefs* alleged to be held here. I mean people who

> have been at this for a long time and who have

> participated in the development of their own

> particular interpretation of the ideas. Read the

> books, new people.

>

> It appears the developers tend to sit back in their

> assumed enlightenment and once in a while step in to

> tell others how foolish they are, or to discourage

> communication to make their approach to not being

> exposed the norm. Or, they join-in to show their

> approval for someone who appears to *believe* as they

> do.

>

> Result: grid-lock

>

> Noel

>

 

 

 

-What is the next question beyond a question. It always has a

tendency of being insatiable. Why not accept things as they are.

 

-In Zen they instruct to cultivate a beginner's mind;

 

Be willing to not be an expert. Be willing to not know.

Not knowing is nearest. Not knowing is most intimate.

 

Fayan was going on pilgrimage.

Dizang said, " Where are you going? "

Fayan said, " Around on pilgrimage. "

Dizang said, " What is the purpose of pilgrimage? "

Fayan said: " I don't know. "

Dizang said, " Not knowing is most intimate. " - ***

 

Very close to the teaching's of Nis, IMHO

 

So…

 

…live life as it comes.

 

*** From a lecture by Abbess Zenkei Blanche Hartman.

 

>

>

>

>

>

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--- Johan <yohansky wrote:

 

> Nisargadatta , Noel

> <noel_beau wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Johan <yohansky wrote:

> >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 "

> > > <kailashana@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong

> > > <lulu.dong@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you tried not to live,

> > > > > not to work and not to do ? ( Shakespeare )

> > > > >

> > > > > I find it is impossible not to live,

> that's

> > > why I live.

> > > > > I find that life is easier to bear with

> some

> > > money, that's why

> > > I

> > > > work.

> > > > > And I find that not to do goes against my

> > > nature, that's why I

> > > > do what I can to help enlighten others and

> reduce

> > > their suffering.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lulu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gassho,

> > > >

> > > > Lulu Stefan and Arvind

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the purpose of my life?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do I live?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do I " work " ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do I " do " ?

> > > > >

> > > > > These are the questions I have asked myself

> many

> > > times.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can't say I have found any " real " answers

> > > > > because none of my answers have stayed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do I " work " ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do I " do " ...

> > > > >

> > > > > when paece, happiness, inner love is not

> > > > > dependent on things outside, on the results

> > > > > of what I do or what I accomplish.. .

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do I " do " ...

> > > > > when all that is really important to me is

> > > > > paece...

> > > > >

> > > > > and, when peace is not dependent on anything

> > > that

> > > > > I do?

> > > > >

> > > > > Do these questions occur to you too?

> > > > >

> > > > > Have they EVER occured to you?

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you found any real answer to them?

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you share that answer with us

> > > > > without telling us

> > > > >

> > > > > how " enlightened " and how

> > > > > " beyond all these questions "

> > > > > you really are???

> > > > >

> > >

> > > Anyone attempting answering your question is

> making

> > > a fool of him/her

> > > self. Not unusual among seekers

> > > on-the-path-of-enlightenment tho.

> >

> > ///////

> >

> > I do not agree.

> >

> > It appears some may not attempt to answer

> questions or

> > communicate because they *know* they will expose

> their

> > foolishness. I do not mean people new to the

> > *beliefs* alleged to be held here. I mean people

> who

> > have been at this for a long time and who have

> > participated in the development of their own

> > particular interpretation of the ideas. Read the

> > books, new people.

> >

> > It appears the developers tend to sit back in

> their

> > assumed enlightenment and once in a while step in

> to

> > tell others how foolish they are, or to discourage

> > communication to make their approach to not being

> > exposed the norm. Or, they join-in to show their

> > approval for someone who appears to *believe* as

> they

> > do.

> >

> > Result: grid-lock

> >

> > Noel

> >

>

>

>

> -What is the next question beyond a question. It

> always has a

> tendency of being insatiable. Why not accept things

> as they are.

>

> -In Zen they instruct to cultivate a beginner's

> mind;

>

> Be willing to not be an expert. Be willing to not

> know.

> Not knowing is nearest. Not knowing is most

> intimate.

>

> Fayan was going on pilgrimage.

> Dizang said, " Where are you going? "

> Fayan said, " Around on pilgrimage. "

> Dizang said, " What is the purpose of pilgrimage? "

> Fayan said: " I don't know. "

> Dizang said, " Not knowing is most intimate. " - ***

>

> Very close to the teaching's of Nis, IMHO

>

> So…

>

> …live life as it comes.

>

> *** From a lecture by Abbess Zenkei Blanche Hartman.

 

 

///////

 

Johan,

 

Do you see that while you are asking me and others not

to ask questions YOU are asking a question:

 

Why not accept things

> as they are.

 

though you do not use a question mark.

 

And, do you see that you are not doing what you are

asking me and others to do, that is, accepting things

as they are? (In this case, that some of us are

asking questions.)

 

Noel

 

 

 

 

 

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