Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 I don't know who I am I don't know who you are I can think In my thoughts, I know a [false] " me " In my thoughts, I know a [false] " you " In my thoughts, " you " and " I " " meet " ... In my thoughts, " I " and " you " fight, have arguments, differances... In my thoughts, there is pleasure, there is pain, there is suffering, there is [concept of] liberation, enlightenemnt... In my thoughts, there is Ramana, Buddha, Tolle, Katie, Nissargadatta... When my thoughts end... it all ends! Still... I Remain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > I don't know who I am > > I don't know who you are > > > I can think > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " me " > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " you " > I don't know who created who... why... when... I don't when will what end... I don't know what a thing is... I don't know what anything is... I that know, I know only because of thinking... When thinking stops... I don't know what is birth and what is death... When thinking stops... i don't the differance between the birth and death... When thinking stops... I don't whether I am alive or Dead! I don't who created " me " ... I know in my thoughts, I always create a " me " , a " me " that I know, only " me " that I know... When thinking stops... I don't knwo whao created whom... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 In spite of rounds of meditations... Series of " awakenings " ... All I have found is... whatever I thought I really knew... was my delusion... In reality, I know nothing... I don't even know whether I am alive or dead... what is alive and what is dead... All I seem to ever know is... thought All I seem to ever have is... thought And, in my thoughts... there is the whole world... In my thoughts... there is Ramana, Niz, Katie, Tolle... enlightened and deluded.... the pleasure and pain suffering and liberation fights and peace... Without my thoughts... where am I??? Where is anything else??? Where and when anything has happened??? Who was born? Who has died? Who got enlightened? Who is there to get enlightened? What is enlightenemnt? All that was [is] " drama " ... The drama in my thoughts... But, without that drama... who am I? Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > I don't know who I am > > > > I don't know who you are > > > > > > I can think > > > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " me " > > > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " you " > > > > > I don't know who created who... > why... > when... > > > I don't when will what end... > > I don't know what a thing is... > > I don't know what anything is... > > > I that know, I know only because of thinking... > > > When thinking stops... > > I don't know what is birth and what is death... > > > When thinking stops... > > i don't the differance between the birth and death... > > When thinking stops... > > I don't whether I am alive or Dead! > > > > > I don't who created " me " ... > > I know in my thoughts, I always create a " me " , > a " me " that I know, only " me " that I know... > > > When thinking stops... > > I don't knwo whao created whom... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 This sort of makes sense, a stone who doesn't think probably doesn't know what it is, that it is a stone and that there are other stones. Are you now proposing that we should stop thinking so that we can all be like stones who don't know themselves nor that there are other stones ? Or don't you propose anything at all ? Is there a sense of irony in your message ? Or do you think that you became human so that you could stop thinking ? Lulu Nisargadatta, " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming@ ...> wrote: > > I don't know who I am > > I don't know who you are > > > I can think > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " me " > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " you " > I don't know who created who... why... when... I don't when will what end... I don't know what a thing is... I don't know what anything is... I that know, I know only because of thinking... When thinking stops... I don't know what is birth and what is death... When thinking stops... i don't the difference between the birth and death... When thinking stops... I don't whether I am alive or Dead! I don't who created " me " ... I know in my thoughts, I always create a " me " , a " me " that I know, only " me " that I know... When thinking stops... I don't knwo who created whom... Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 --- Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > Or do you think that you became human so that you > could stop thinking ? > > Lulu > This is an excellent question, in my view. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > This sort of makes sense, What makes sense? > > a stone who doesn't think probably doesn't know what it is, that it is a stone and that there are other stones. I don't really know whether a stone thinks or not! How can I really know that? I am not a stone and in my experience, I can only know something by really being it - and, then too I may not really know. > > Are you now proposing that we should stop thinking so that we can all be like stones who don't know themselves nor that there are other stones ? I am not " proposing " anything. I am only sharing my experience. > > Or don't you propose anything at all ? > > Is there a sense of irony in your message ? I don't know. Should I try to avoid irony in my message. > > Or do you think that you became human so that you could stop thinking ? I don't know " why " we became human or, it was " we " who became human. But, why do you think USA and Russia made thousands of atomb bombs? At present most of those atom bombs are simply in storage just like another dead object [such as a stone] and aren't really doing what an atom bomb " can " do! Do you think an atomb bomb is better just stored like any other 'dead' [or 'sleeping'] object and used as an atom bomb only when necessary or do you think just because they have atom bomb - they should start firing it? What would you do if you bought a gun with 10,000 bullets would you fire it just because you " have " or will you fire it only when " necessary " and just keep it in it non-firing state at other times? > > Lulu > > > > > Nisargadatta, " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@ ...> wrote: > > > > I don't know who I am > > > > I don't know who you are > > > > > > I can think > > > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " me " > > > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " you " > > > > I don't know who created who... > why... > when... > > I don't when will what end... > > I don't know what a thing is... > > I don't know what anything is... > > I that know, I know only because of thinking... > > When thinking stops... > > I don't know what is birth and what is death... > > When thinking stops... > > i don't the difference between the birth and death... > > When thinking stops... > > I don't whether I am alive or Dead! > > I don't who created " me " ... > > I know in my thoughts, I always create a " me " , > a " me " that I know, only " me " that I know... > > When thinking stops... > > I don't knwo who created whom... > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 >> There is no difference between a human being and an atom bomb, if a human being thinks, it is like firing bullets, and if it thinks too much, it's head will explode, just like an atom bomb, from too much thinking. If you're an atom bomb, it's better not to think, wheter you are an atom bomb, a bullet or a stone, you are essentially evil, but if you stop thinking, you don't know that. So no, I don't see a reason to avoid irony, except if you fear that the people you share your message with mistake it to be the " truth " . And it makes sense that if we stop thinking we know nothing. Am I now understanding your experience. Lulu Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@. ..> wrote: > > This sort of makes sense, What makes sense? > a stone who doesn't think probably doesn't know what it is, that it is a stone and that there are other stones. I don't really know whether a stone thinks or not! How can I really know that? I am not a stone and in my experience, I can only know something by really being it - and, then too I may not really know. > Are you now proposing that we should stop thinking so that we can all be like stones who don't know themselves nor that there are other stones ? I am not " proposing " anything. I am only sharing my experience. > Or don't you propose anything at all ? > > Is there a sense of irony in your message ? I don't know. Should I try to avoid irony in my message. > Or do you think that you became human so that you could stop thinking ? I don't know " why " we became human or, it was " we " who became human. But, why do you think USA and Russia made thousands of atomb bombs? At present most of those atom bombs are simply in storage just like another dead object [such as a stone] and aren't really doing what an atom bomb " can " do! Do you think an atomb bomb is better just stored like any other 'dead' [or 'sleeping'] object and used as an atom bomb only when necessary or do you think just because they have atom bomb - they should start firing it? What would you do if you bought a gun with 10,000 bullets would you fire it just because you " have " or will you fire it only when " necessary " and just keep it in it non-firing state at other times? Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > >> There is no difference between a human being and an atom bomb, I don't know. >>if a human being thinks, it is like firing bullets, I don't know. >>and if it thinks too much, it's head will explode, just like an atom bomb, from too much thinking. I don't know. > > If you're an atom bomb, it's better not to think, I don't know that I was atom bomb it would have been better not to think. >wheter you are an atom bomb, a bullet or a stone, you are essentially evil, I don't know if a bomb, bullet or stone is evil. > but if you stop thinking, you don't know that. Yes. Because an my experience, evil is a concept and concept requires thinking. > > So no, I don't see a reason to avoid irony, except if you fear that the people you share your message with mistake it to be the " truth " . It is the truth of my experience. If it has irony then it has irony. If it doesn't then it doesn't. I would like to share it as truthfully as I can without manipulating it to make it sound more like " truth " or " false " . In my view, it is as is - as I experience it. > > And it makes sense that if we stop thinking we know nothing. When I think, sometimes I think " I know " When I don't think, I " know " that I don't know. That all knowledge is just thinking... > > Am I now understanding your experience. In my view, only way to undertand an experience is to expereince it yourself. Can you really understand sex by my description of it? I can't. So, question is... do you have the Same Experience? If yes, there is no arguments as you already know what I mean. If no,i think it is not possible to know what I mean without experiencing it first. So, what is your experience of... " not thinking " ... What is there? Who is there? Where is enlightenemnt? What is enlightenment? Love, ac. PS: Do you think I am being a " hard ass " ? If yes, I apologize. > > Lulu > > Nisargadatta, Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@ ..> wrote: > > > > This sort of makes sense, > > What makes sense? > > > > a stone who doesn't think probably doesn't know what it is, that > it is a stone and that there are other stones. > > I don't really know whether a stone > thinks or not! > > How can I really know that? > > I am not a stone and > in my experience, I can only know > something by really being it - and, > then too I may not really know. > > > Are you now proposing that we should stop thinking so that we > can all be like stones who don't know themselves nor that there are > other stones ? > > I am not " proposing " anything. > I am only sharing my > experience. > > > Or don't you propose anything at all ? > > > > Is there a sense of irony in your message ? > > I don't know. > > Should I try to avoid irony > in my message. > > > > Or do you think that you became human so that you could stop > thinking ? > > I don't know " why " we became human > or, it was " we " who became human. > > But, why do you think USA and Russia > made thousands of atomb bombs? > > At present most of those atom bombs > are simply in storage just like > another dead object [such as a stone] > and aren't really doing what an atom bomb > " can " do! > > Do you think an atomb bomb is better just > stored like any other 'dead' [or 'sleeping'] > object and used as an atom bomb only when > necessary or do you think just because they have > atom bomb - they should start firing it? > > What would you do if you bought a gun with > 10,000 bullets would you fire it just because > you " have " or will you fire it only when > " necessary " and just keep it in it non-firing > state at other times? > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 I like your style, and am happy that you share your experiences, please continue to do so. PS: My experience of not thinking: In spite of rounds of meditations. .. Series of " awakenings " ... All I have found is... whatever I thought I really knew... was my delusion... In reality, I know nothing... I don't even know whether I am alive or dead... what is alive and what is dead... All I seem to ever know is... thought All I seem to ever have is... thought And, in my thoughts... there is the whole world... In my thoughts... there is Ramana, Niz, Katie, Tolle... enlightened and deluded.... the pleasure and pain suffering and liberation fights and peace... Without my thoughts... where am I??? Where is anything else??? Where and when anything has happened??? Who was born? Who has died? Who got enlightened? Who is there to get enlightened? What is enlightenemnt? All that was [is] " drama " ... The drama in my thoughts... But, without that drama... who am I? Nisargadatta, " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming@ ...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@ > wrote: > > > > I don't know who I am > > > > I don't know who you are > > > > > > I can think > > > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " me " > > > > In my thoughts, I know a [false] " you " > > > > > I don't know who created who... > why... > when... > > > I don't when will what end... > > I don't know what a thing is... > > I don't know what anything is... > > > I that know, I know only because of thinking... > > > When thinking stops... > > I don't know what is birth and what is death... > > > When thinking stops... > > i don't the differance between the birth and death... > > When thinking stops... > > I don't whether I am alive or Dead! > > > > > I don't who created " me " ... > > I know in my thoughts, I always create a " me " , > a " me " that I know, only " me " that I know... > > > When thinking stops... > > I don't knwo whao created whom... > All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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