Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 All you need is to keep quietly alert, enquiring into the real nature of yourself. This is the only way to peace. The real exists and is of the nature of witness-consciousness. Of course it is beyond the witness, but to enter it one must first realise the state of pure witnessing....The witness is the reflection of the real in all its purity....The state of witnessing is full of power. There are no conditions to fulfill. There is nothing to be done, nothing to be given up. Just look and remember whatever you perceive is not you, nor yours. It is there in the field of consciousness, but you are not the field and its contents, nor even the knower of the field. It is your idea that you have to do things that entangle you in results of your efforts-the motive, the desire, the failure to achieve, the sense of frustration-all this holds you back. Simply look at whatever happens and know that you are beyond it. You need not get at it (Enlightenment), for you are it. It will get at you, if you give it a chance. Let go your attachment to the unreal and the real will swiftly and smoothly slip into its own. Stop imagining yourself being or doing this or that and the realisation that you are the source and heart of all will dawn upon you. With this will come great love which is not choice or predilection, nor attachment, but a power which makes all things love - worthy and lovable. Discover all you are not. Body, feelings, thoughts, ideas, time, space, being and not being, this or that - nothing concrete or abstract you can point out to is you. You must watch yourself continuously - particularly your mind - moment by moment, missing nothing. This witnessing is essential for the separation of the self from the not-self ........be aware of that state which is only, simply being, without being this or that or the other. Thoughts on Awareness by Nisargadatta Maharaj http://360./josongeorge5 ------ Be as you are. Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Gita says that the soul is taking birth and death constantly during the day and night (Athachainam Nitya Jatam). Soul (pure awareness) dies in deep sleep and in Coma also. So if you equate Atman to Brahman (God), then it leads to a meaningless conclusion that God also takes birth and death during the day and night. How do you account for this? What is soul or Atman or causal body? Is it the awareness present in the nervous system? Or is it the inert energy present in the brain? The concept of ‘I’ exists in both. The egoism ‘I’ exists as a pulse in the brain in the inert energy and the same pulse exists in nervous system being experienced. If you say that the soul is awareness, it is born every day and it dies every day. This is the soul from one angle, which is mentioned by Gita (Athachainam Nityajatam…). Please note that this view is mentioned as an angle and is never condemned by Gita. From another angle, it is the inert energy present in the brain, which is eternal as mentioned in Gita (Ajo Nityah…). The Advaita scholar uses the logic positively with respect to every item of the creation but when the final item of the creation (pure awareness or soul) is attained, he is misleading himself. As per Sanskrit grammar, Brahman comes from the root " Bruhi-Vruddhau " , which means that the root meaning of this word is greatness. Anything that is great can be called as Brahman. The soul is the most precious and greatest item of the creation and is called as Para Prakruti, which means the greatest of all the created items. The soul is included as a part of the creation (Prakruti) and is called as Para Prakruti as said in Gita (Prakritim Viddhi me paraam….). It is not Creator. If it is Creator it cannot be called as Prakruti. It is only the modification of food during evolution as said in Veda (Annat Purushah…). The sage Charvaka was scientist and atheist. His scientific approach was appreciated and his theory is given place among the six theories (Shat Darsanas) by Vidyaranya. He told that a soul or awareness is just a conversion of food into energy. This is the exact elaboration of the Vedic statement (Annat Purusha). But he denied the experience of God beyond this logic. What is the difference between the Advaita scholar and an atheist? The Advaita scholar denied God beyond awareness like an atheist. The Advaita scholar said that the awareness is God. The atheist said that awareness is also not God because God does not exist for him. At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org joson george <josongeorge5 wrote: All you need is to keep quietly alert, enquiring into the real nature of yourself. This is the only way to peace. The real exists and is of the nature of witness-consciousness. Of course it is beyond the witness, but to enter it one must first realise the state of pure witnessing....The witness is the reflection of the real in all its purity....The state of witnessing is full of power. There are no conditions to fulfill. There is nothing to be done, nothing to be given up. Just look and remember whatever you perceive is not you, nor yours. It is there in the field of consciousness, but you are not the field and its contents, nor even the knower of the field. It is your idea that you have to do things that entangle you in results of your efforts-the motive, the desire, the failure to achieve, the sense of frustration-all this holds you back. Simply look at whatever happens and know that you are beyond it. You need not get at it (Enlightenment), for you are it. It will get at you, if you give it a chance. Let go your attachment to the unreal and the real will swiftly and smoothly slip into its own. Stop imagining yourself being or doing this or that and the realisation that you are the source and heart of all will dawn upon you. With this will come great love which is not choice or predilection, nor attachment, but a power which makes all things love - worthy and lovable. Discover all you are not. Body, feelings, thoughts, ideas, time, space, being and not being, this or that - nothing concrete or abstract you can point out to is you. You must watch yourself continuously - particularly your mind - moment by moment, missing nothing. This witnessing is essential for the separation of the self from the not-self ........be aware of that state which is only, simply being, without being this or that or the other. Thoughts on Awareness by Nisargadatta Maharaj . Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 > Gita says that the soul is taking birth and death constantly during the day and night not death; it is like a swing: Kabir: Between the conscious and the unconscious . . . Between the conscious and the unconscious, the mind has put up a swing: all earth creatures, even the supernovas, sway between these two trees, and it never winds down. Angels, animals, humans, insects by the million, also the wheeling sun and moon; ages go by, and it goes on Everything is swinging: heaven, earth, water, fire, and the secret one slowly growing a body. Kabir saw that for fifteen seconds, and it made him a servant for life. > (Athachainam Nitya Jatam). Soul (pure awareness) This is not Nisargadatta's term: Awareness [capital " A " ] > dies in deep sleep and in Coma also. -Awareness does not die > So if you equate Atman to Brahman (God), then it leads to a meaningless conclusion that God also takes birth and death during the day and night. How do you account for this? > > What is soul or Atman or causal body? Is it the awareness present in the nervous system? Or is it the inert energy present in the brain? The concept of `I' exists in both. The egoism `I' exists as a pulse in the brain in the inert energy and the same pulse exists in nervous system being experienced. If you say that the soul is awareness, it is born every day and it dies every day. This is the soul from one angle, which is mentioned by Gita (Athachainam Nityajatam…). Please note that this view is mentioned as an angle and is never condemned by Gita. From another angle, it is the inert energy present in the brain, which is eternal as mentioned in Gita (Ajo Nityah…). > * read my next post please and some Western thinkers too > The Advaita scholar uses the logic positively with respect to every item of the creation but when the final item of the creation (pure awareness or soul) is attained, he is misleading himself. As per Sanskrit grammar, Brahman comes from the root " Bruhi-Vruddhau " , which means that the root meaning of this word is greatness. Anything that is great can be called as Brahman. The soul is the most precious and greatest item of the creation and is called as Para Prakruti, which means the greatest of all the created items. The soul is included as a part of the creation (Prakruti) and is called as Para Prakruti as said in Gita (Prakritim Viddhi me paraam….). It is not Creator. If it is Creator it cannot be called as Prakruti. It is only the modification of food during evolution as said in Veda (Annat Purushah…). > > The sage Charvaka was scientist and atheist. His scientific approach was appreciated and his theory is given place among the six theories (Shat Darsanas) by Vidyaranya. He told that a soul or awareness is just a conversion of food into energy. This is the exact elaboration of the Vedic statement (Annat Purusha). But he denied the experience of God beyond this logic. What is the difference between the Advaita scholar and an atheist? The Advaita scholar denied God beyond awareness like an atheist. The Advaita scholar said that the awareness is God. The atheist said that awareness is also not God because God does not exist for him. > > At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami > surya > -what are you up to surya ? Era www.universal-spirituality.org > <josongeorge5 wrote: > All you need is to keep quietly alert, enquiring into the real nature of yourself. > This is the only way to peace. > The real exists and is of the nature of witness-consciousness. > Of course it is beyond the witness, but to enter it one must first realise the state of pure witnessing....The witness is the reflection of the real in all its purity....The state of witnessing is full of power. > There are no conditions to fulfill. There is nothing to be done, nothing to be given up. Just look and remember whatever you perceive is not you, nor yours. It is there in the field of consciousness, but you are not the field and its contents, nor even the knower of the field. It is your idea that you have to do things that entangle you in results of your efforts-the motive, the desire, the failure to achieve, the sense of frustration-all this holds you back. Simply look at whatever happens and know that you are beyond it. > You need not get at it (Enlightenment), for you are it. It will get at you, if you give it a chance. Let go your attachment to the unreal and the real will swiftly and smoothly slip into its own. Stop imagining yourself being or doing this or that and the realisation that you are the source and heart of all will dawn upon you. With this will come great love which is not choice or predilection, nor attachment, but a power which makes all things love - worthy and lovable. > Discover all you are not. Body, feelings, thoughts, ideas, time, space, being and not being, this or that - nothing concrete or abstract you can point out to is you. You must watch yourself continuously - particularly your mind - moment by moment, missing nothing. This witnessing is essential for the separation of the self from the not-self ........be aware of that state which is only, simply being, without being this or that or the other. > Thoughts on Awareness by Nisargadatta Maharaj > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Isn't there also that which is known as the Parabrahman, which is beyond/prior to consciousness (which is of the food body). Or is the Parabrahman, which is beyond the 4th state and called turyatita, also that which you refer to as Awareness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 --- Richard <richarkar wrote: > Isn't there also that which is known as the > Parabrahman, which is > beyond/prior to consciousness (which is of the food > body). Or is the > Parabrahman, which is beyond the 4th state and > called turyatita, also > that which you refer to as Awareness? > I wonder if you mean Paramatman, Richard? In Hindu theology, Paramatman is Absolute Atman or Supreme Soul or Supreme Spirit (also Supersoul, Oversoul) in the Vedanta and Yoga philosophies of India. Paramatman is one of the aspects of Brahman: " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramatma or Bhagavan. " (Bhagavata Purana 1.2.11) Also known as the divine self or the one object, Paramatman is both part of an individual and part of the macrocosm. Upanishads compare Atman and Paramatman to two birds sitting like friends on a tree (body). Atman eats its fruits (karma) and Paramatman only observes his friend as a witness (s & #257;k & #351;h & #299;) of his actions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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