Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 The Wisdom of Nisargadatta by Robert Powell, Nisargadatta says: " By following any religion, cult or creed, one becomes inevitably conditioned, because one is obliged to conform and accept its disciplines, both physical and mental. One may get a little peace for some time, but such a peace will not last long. In your true nature, you are the knower of concepts and therefore prior to them. " On p. 65 of the same book, Nisargadatta says: " Those who know only scriptures know nothing. To know is to be. " In the meditation for August 25 in A Net of Jewels (1996), Ramesh says, " Belief, any belief, is based on the sense of insecurity. Only when all belief is given up are you free to know yourself. In self discovery what you find is the Truth - that Truth which is total, self-evident and which needs no outside support or justification. " There is an enormous difference between the teachings of nonduality and those of religion. There is no theology in the purest forms of nonduality, whereas theology is the basis of all religion. By theology, I mean a dualistic belief system which contains critical concepts that one is asked to believe as Truth but which cannot be verified within the individual's own experience. The teaching of nonduality differs from religion by heavily relying on practices (see Chapters 21, 22, 23, 24, 25<http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousnes>) that are aimed at revealing your true nature in a way that mere concepts cannot. Without the practices, nonduality is nothing but metaphysics. The world's scriptures can be interpreted in many different ways. At one extreme are the fundamentalist interpretations, which assume that the words are literal truth. These interpretations are necessarily dualistic because all words taken literally are dualistic (see Section 11.1), and they always conceive of God and humans as separate beings. Examples of scriptures that are usually interpreted literally are the Hebrew and Christian Bibles. At the other extreme are the nondualistic interpretations, which regard the words as nothing but pointers to Reality. An example of a scripture that is most naturally interpreted nondualistically is the Ashtavakra Gita. (See, e.g., a highly regarded translation without commentary called The Heart of Awareness by John Richards, available at <http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0004.htm>. A translation with commentary, entitled Duet of One (1989), was authored by Ramesh Balsekar, see Appendix). A scripture that lends itself in some parts to a dualistic interpretation and in other parts to a nondualistic interpretation is the Bhagavad Gita <http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/introduction-to-bhagavad-gita.htm> from <http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/new_page_16.htm> Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 What a silly opinion. Thus everyone who writes scriptures is a fool. Because whoever reads what they write, knows nothing. So why write anything at all. lulu " Those who know only scriptures know nothing. To know is to be. " The Wisdom of Nisargadatta by Robert Powell, Nisargadatta says: " By following any religion, cult or creed, one becomes inevitably conditioned, because one is obliged to conform and accept its disciplines, both physical and mental. One may get a little peace for some time, but such a peace will not last long. In your true nature, you are the knower of concepts and therefore prior to them. " On p. 65 of the same book, Nisargadatta says: " Those who know only scriptures know nothing. To know is to be. " In the meditation for August 25 in A Net of Jewels (1996), Ramesh says, " Belief, any belief, is based on the sense of insecurity. Only when all belief is given up are you free to know yourself. In self discovery what you find is the Truth - that Truth which is total, self-evident and which needs no outside support or justification. " There is an enormous difference between the teachings of nonduality and those of religion. There is no theology in the purest forms of nonduality, whereas theology is the basis of all religion. By theology, I mean a dualistic belief system which contains critical concepts that one is asked to believe as Truth but which cannot be verified within the individual's own experience. The teaching of nonduality differs from religion by heavily relying on practices (see Chapters 21, 22, 23, 24, 25<http://faculty. virginia. edu/consciousnes>) that are aimed at revealing your true nature in a way that mere concepts cannot. Without the practices, nonduality is nothing but metaphysics. The world's scriptures can be interpreted in many different ways. At one extreme are the fundamentalist interpretations, which assume that the words are literal truth. These interpretations are necessarily dualistic because all words taken literally are dualistic (see Section 11.1), and they always conceive of God and humans as separate beings. Examples of scriptures that are usually interpreted literally are the Hebrew and Christian Bibles. At the other extreme are the nondualistic interpretations, which regard the words as nothing but pointers to Reality. An example of a scripture that is most naturally interpreted nondualistically is the Ashtavakra Gita. (See, e.g., a highly regarded translation without commentary called The Heart of Awareness by John Richards, available at <http://www.realizat ion.org/page/ doc0/doc0004. htm>. A translation with commentary, entitled Duet of One (1989), was authored by Ramesh Balsekar, see Appendix). A scripture that lends itself in some parts to a dualistic interpretation and in other parts to a nondualistic interpretation is the Bhagavad Gita <http://www.bhagavad -gita.us/ introduction- to-bhagavad- gita.htm> from <http://faculty. virginia. edu/consciousnes s/new_page_ 16.htm> Era Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 What is written is for the sake of the mind that comprehends words. Yet, ultimately, that mind gives way to a truth that it isn't able to hold through words, experiences, or memories. So, it isn't that texts or teachings have no use. It is that texts and teachings have no use at the instant that the mind that uses ideas and forms is transcended. -- Dan (nothing new below) Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong wrote: > > > What a silly opinion. > Thus everyone who writes scriptures is a fool. > Because whoever reads what they write, knows nothing. > So why write anything at all. > > lulu > > " Those who know only scriptures know nothing. To know is to be. " > > > > > > The Wisdom of Nisargadatta by Robert Powell, Nisargadatta says: > > " By following any religion, cult or creed, one becomes inevitably conditioned, because one is obliged to conform and accept its disciplines, both physical and mental. One may get a little peace for some time, but such a peace will not last long. In your true nature, you are the knower of concepts and therefore prior to them. " > > On p. 65 of the same book, Nisargadatta says: > > " Those who know only scriptures know nothing. To know is to be. " > In the meditation for August 25 in A Net of Jewels (1996), Ramesh says, > " Belief, any belief, is based on the sense of insecurity. Only when all belief is given up are you free to know yourself. In self discovery what you find is the Truth - that Truth which is total, self-evident and which needs no outside support or justification. " > > There is an enormous difference between the teachings of nonduality and those of religion. There is no theology in the purest forms of nonduality, whereas theology is the basis of all religion. By theology, I mean a dualistic belief system which contains critical concepts that one is asked to believe as Truth but which cannot be verified within the individual's own experience. The teaching of nonduality differs from religion by heavily relying on practices (see Chapters 21, 22, 23, 24, 25<http://faculty. virginia. edu/consciousnes>) that are aimed at revealing your true nature in a way that mere concepts cannot. Without the practices, nonduality is nothing but metaphysics. > > The world's scriptures can be interpreted in many different ways. At one extreme are the fundamentalist interpretations, which assume that the words are literal truth. These interpretations are necessarily dualistic because all words taken literally are dualistic (see Section 11.1), and they always conceive of God and humans as separate beings. > > Examples of scriptures that are usually interpreted literally are the Hebrew and Christian Bibles. At the other extreme are the nondualistic interpretations, which regard the words as nothing but pointers to Reality. An example of a scripture that is most naturally interpreted nondualistically is the Ashtavakra Gita. (See, e.g., a highly regarded translation without commentary called The Heart of Awareness by John Richards, available at <http://www.realizat ion.org/page/ doc0/doc0004. htm>. A translation with commentary, entitled Duet of One (1989), was authored by Ramesh Balsekar, see Appendix). A scripture that lends itself in some parts to a dualistic interpretation and in other parts to a nondualistic interpretation is the Bhagavad Gita <http://www.bhagavad -gita.us/ introduction- to-bhagavad- gita.htm> > > from <http://faculty. virginia. edu/consciousnes s/new_page_ 16.htm> > > Era > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 imhi, texts have been rather clever at explaining the experiences I have had. Only experiences in the matters of relational and rational reality have had enough teeth to bite into. And of course, in the end we end up chewing up absolutely nothing. eh? Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > What is written is for the sake of the mind that comprehends words. > > Yet, ultimately, that mind gives way to a truth that it isn't able to > hold through words, experiences, or memories. > > So, it isn't that texts or teachings have no use. > > It is that texts and teachings have no use at the instant that the > mind that uses ideas and forms is transcended. > > -- Dan > > (nothing new below) > > > > Nisargadatta , Lulu Dong <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > What a silly opinion. > > Thus everyone who writes scriptures is a fool. > > Because whoever reads what they write, knows nothing. > > So why write anything at all. > > > > lulu > > > > " Those who know only scriptures know nothing. To know is to be. " > > > > > > > > > > > > The Wisdom of Nisargadatta by Robert Powell, Nisargadatta says: > > > > " By following any religion, cult or creed, one becomes inevitably > conditioned, because one is obliged to conform and accept its > disciplines, both physical and mental. One may get a little peace for > some time, but such a peace will not last long. In your true nature, > you are the knower of concepts and therefore prior to them. " > > > > On p. 65 of the same book, Nisargadatta says: > > > > " Those who know only scriptures know nothing. To know is to be. " > > In the meditation for August 25 in A Net of Jewels (1996), Ramesh says, > > " Belief, any belief, is based on the sense of insecurity. Only when > all belief is given up are you free to know yourself. In self > discovery what you find is the Truth - that Truth which is total, > self-evident and which needs no outside support or justification. " > > > > There is an enormous difference between the teachings of nonduality > and those of religion. There is no theology in the purest forms of > nonduality, whereas theology is the basis of all religion. By > theology, I mean a dualistic belief system which contains critical > concepts that one is asked to believe as Truth but which cannot be > verified within the individual's own experience. The teaching of > nonduality differs from religion by heavily relying on practices (see > Chapters 21, 22, 23, 24, 25<http://faculty. virginia. > edu/consciousnes>) that are aimed at revealing your true nature in a > way that mere concepts cannot. Without the practices, nonduality is > nothing but metaphysics. > > > > The world's scriptures can be interpreted in many different ways. > At one extreme are the fundamentalist interpretations, which assume > that the words are literal truth. These interpretations are > necessarily dualistic because all words taken literally are dualistic > (see Section 11.1), and they always conceive of God and humans as > separate beings. > > > > Examples of scriptures that are usually interpreted literally are > the Hebrew and Christian Bibles. At the other extreme are the > nondualistic interpretations, which regard the words as nothing but > pointers to Reality. An example of a scripture that is most naturally > interpreted nondualistically is the Ashtavakra Gita. (See, e.g., a > highly regarded translation without commentary called The Heart of > Awareness by John Richards, available at <http://www.realizat > ion.org/page/ doc0/doc0004. htm>. A translation with commentary, > entitled Duet of One (1989), was authored by Ramesh Balsekar, see > Appendix). A scripture that lends itself in some parts to a dualistic > interpretation and in other parts to a nondualistic interpretation is > the Bhagavad Gita <http://www.bhagavad -gita.us/ introduction- > to-bhagavad- gita.htm> > > > > from <http://faculty. virginia. edu/consciousnes s/new_page_ 16.htm> > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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