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> Isn't there also that which is known as the

> Parabrahman, which is

> beyond/prior to consciousness (which is of the food

> body). Or is the

> Parabrahman, which is beyond the 4th state and

> called turyatita, also

> that which you refer to as Awareness?

>

 

 

I wonder if you mean Paramatman, Richard?

 

In Hindu theology, Paramatman is Absolute Atman or

Supreme Soul or Supreme Spirit (also Supersoul,

Oversoul) in the Vedanta and Yoga philosophies of

India. Paramatman is one of the aspects of Brahman:

" Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute

truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramatma

or Bhagavan. " (Bhagavata Purana 1.2.11)

Also known as the divine self or the one object,

Paramatman is both part of an individual and part of

the macrocosm. Upanishads compare Atman and Paramatman

to two birds sitting like friends on a tree (body).

Atman eats its fruits (karma) and Paramatman only

observes his friend as a witness

(s & #257;k & #351;h & #299;) of his actions.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman

 

Noel

 

P: words, words, nothing but words!

 

Rest beyond existing and not existing!

 

 

 

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--- Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

 

> > Isn't there also that which is known as the

> > Parabrahman, which is

> > beyond/prior to consciousness (which is of the

> food

> > body). Or is the

> > Parabrahman, which is beyond the 4th state and

> > called turyatita, also

> > that which you refer to as Awareness?

> >

>

>

> I wonder if you mean Paramatman, Richard?

>

> In Hindu theology, Paramatman is Absolute Atman or

> Supreme Soul or Supreme Spirit (also Supersoul,

> Oversoul) in the Vedanta and Yoga philosophies of

> India. Paramatman is one of the aspects of

> Brahman:

> " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute

> truth call this nondual substance Brahman,

> Paramatma

> or Bhagavan. " (Bhagavata Purana 1.2.11)

> Also known as the divine self or the one object,

> Paramatman is both part of an individual and part

> of

> the macrocosm. Upanishads compare Atman and

> Paramatman

> to two birds sitting like friends on a tree

> (body).

> Atman eats its fruits (karma) and Paramatman only

> observes his friend as a witness

> (s & #257;k & #351;h & #299;) of his actions.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman

>

> Noel

>

> P: words, words, nothing but words!

>

> Rest beyond existing and not existing!

>

 

 

Oh, Exalted One, I do not wish to become brain dead.

You have many followers, you don't need me too, do

you?

 

:)

 

Noel

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very informative.

 

I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he said, " I

sure hope He doesn't wake up " .

 

Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman.

 

Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable & unknowable

(as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as

opposed to the non-dual Reality?

 

Thanks,

Richard

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> I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he said, " I

> sure hope He doesn't wake up " .

>

> Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman.

>

> Next question: nirguna & saguna,

 

 

Vedantins debated whether the reality of Brahman was Saguna

(with attributes) or Nirguna (without attributes).

 

[belief in the concept

of Saguna Brahman gave rise to a proliferation of ******devotional attitudes

and more widespread worship of Vishnu and Shiva. ]

 

Advaita Vedanta is

strictly grounded in the thought that the ultimate truth is Nirguna Brahman.

.............

 

Advaita claims Avidya [ignorance] is terminated and removed by Brahma-vidya, the

intuition of

the reality of Brahman as pure, undifferentiated consciousness: Nirguna Brahman

 

The removal of Avidya for the Advaitin,

the bondage in which we dwell

before the attainment of Moksa is caused by Maya and Avidya; knowledge of

reality is Brahma-vidya

 

V^V^V^V^

 

The 6 Hindu philosophies

 

1.1 Samkhya

1.2 Yoga

1.3 Nyaya

1.4 Vaisheshika

1.5 Purva Mimamsa

1.6 Vedanta:

 

1.6.1 Advaita Vedanta

1.6.2 Vishistadvaita

1.6.3 Dvaita

1.6.4 Acintya Bheda-Abheda Vedanta

 

 

 

 

> dream & matter, knowable & unknowable

> (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as

> opposed to the non-dual Reality?

>

> Thanks,

> Richard

>

 

love,

Era

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Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote:

>

> Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very informative.

>

> I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he said, " I

> sure hope He doesn't wake up " .

>

> Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman.

>

> Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable & unknowable

> (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as

> opposed to the non-dual Reality?

>

> Thanks,

> Richard

 

Nothing is opposed to " the non-dual reality. "

 

So, apparent dualities aren't opposed to this, but already always

included in and as this.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very

informative.

> >

> > I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he

said, " I

> > sure hope He doesn't wake up " .

> >

> > Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman.

> >

> > Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable &

unknowable

> > (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as

> > opposed to the non-dual Reality?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Richard

>

> Nothing is opposed to " the non-dual reality. "

>

> So, apparent dualities aren't opposed to this, but already always

> included in and as this.

>

> -- Dan

>

 

 

ah, so ;-)

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very

> informative.

> > >

> > > I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he

> said, " I

> > > sure hope He doesn't wake up " .

> > >

> > > Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with

Paramatman.

> > >

> > > Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable &

> unknowable

> > > (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities

as

> > > opposed to the non-dual Reality?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Richard

> >

> > Nothing is opposed to " the non-dual reality. "

> >

> > So, apparent dualities aren't opposed to this, but already always

> > included in and as this.

> >

> > -- Dan

> >

>

>

> ah, so ;-)

 

 

Ah so, indeed. It's funny, Dan, only last night I was going thru a

pile of papers and came across interviews (etc.) of you I had copied

out. And today you respond to one of my stupid questions. Thanks.

 

Richard

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Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote:

 

> Ah so, indeed. It's funny, Dan, only last night I was going thru a

> pile of papers and came across interviews (etc.) of you I had copied

> out. And today you respond to one of my stupid questions. Thanks.

>

> Richard

 

My pleasure, Richard.

 

Not a stupid question at all.

 

Far from it.

 

If it's a question asked just in an intellectual or philosophical way,

it's not particularly useful.

 

But, if it's arising as I inquire directly, as I'm experiencing

duality, then it's very worthwhile, it seems to me.

 

The sense of incompleteness, frustration, or lack one experiences as a

being going through life and death -- that is the heart of duality in

terms of inquiry (although, of course, there are all kinds of dualities).

 

So, if I understand duality to be included already in/as nonduality, I

am opening to my own experience as it is to be my " teacher. "

 

I am encouraged to be open and aware, and not to attempt maneuvers to

avoid what is so, directly, experientially, as I am being aware now.

 

-- Dan

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