Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 > Isn't there also that which is known as the > Parabrahman, which is > beyond/prior to consciousness (which is of the food > body). Or is the > Parabrahman, which is beyond the 4th state and > called turyatita, also > that which you refer to as Awareness? > I wonder if you mean Paramatman, Richard? In Hindu theology, Paramatman is Absolute Atman or Supreme Soul or Supreme Spirit (also Supersoul, Oversoul) in the Vedanta and Yoga philosophies of India. Paramatman is one of the aspects of Brahman: " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramatma or Bhagavan. " (Bhagavata Purana 1.2.11) Also known as the divine self or the one object, Paramatman is both part of an individual and part of the macrocosm. Upanishads compare Atman and Paramatman to two birds sitting like friends on a tree (body). Atman eats its fruits (karma) and Paramatman only observes his friend as a witness (s & #257;k & #351;h & #299;) of his actions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman Noel P: words, words, nothing but words! Rest beyond existing and not existing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 --- Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > Isn't there also that which is known as the > > Parabrahman, which is > > beyond/prior to consciousness (which is of the > food > > body). Or is the > > Parabrahman, which is beyond the 4th state and > > called turyatita, also > > that which you refer to as Awareness? > > > > > I wonder if you mean Paramatman, Richard? > > In Hindu theology, Paramatman is Absolute Atman or > Supreme Soul or Supreme Spirit (also Supersoul, > Oversoul) in the Vedanta and Yoga philosophies of > India. Paramatman is one of the aspects of > Brahman: > " Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute > truth call this nondual substance Brahman, > Paramatma > or Bhagavan. " (Bhagavata Purana 1.2.11) > Also known as the divine self or the one object, > Paramatman is both part of an individual and part > of > the macrocosm. Upanishads compare Atman and > Paramatman > to two birds sitting like friends on a tree > (body). > Atman eats its fruits (karma) and Paramatman only > observes his friend as a witness > (s & #257;k & #351;h & #299;) of his actions. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman > > Noel > > P: words, words, nothing but words! > > Rest beyond existing and not existing! > Oh, Exalted One, I do not wish to become brain dead. You have many followers, you don't need me too, do you? Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very informative. I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he said, " I sure hope He doesn't wake up " . Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman. Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable & unknowable (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as opposed to the non-dual Reality? Thanks, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 > I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he said, " I > sure hope He doesn't wake up " . > > Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman. > > Next question: nirguna & saguna, Vedantins debated whether the reality of Brahman was Saguna (with attributes) or Nirguna (without attributes). [belief in the concept of Saguna Brahman gave rise to a proliferation of ******devotional attitudes and more widespread worship of Vishnu and Shiva. ] Advaita Vedanta is strictly grounded in the thought that the ultimate truth is Nirguna Brahman. ............. Advaita claims Avidya [ignorance] is terminated and removed by Brahma-vidya, the intuition of the reality of Brahman as pure, undifferentiated consciousness: Nirguna Brahman The removal of Avidya for the Advaitin, the bondage in which we dwell before the attainment of Moksa is caused by Maya and Avidya; knowledge of reality is Brahma-vidya V^V^V^V^ The 6 Hindu philosophies 1.1 Samkhya 1.2 Yoga 1.3 Nyaya 1.4 Vaisheshika 1.5 Purva Mimamsa 1.6 Vedanta: 1.6.1 Advaita Vedanta 1.6.2 Vishistadvaita 1.6.3 Dvaita 1.6.4 Acintya Bheda-Abheda Vedanta > dream & matter, knowable & unknowable > (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as > opposed to the non-dual Reality? > > Thanks, > Richard > love, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very informative. > > I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he said, " I > sure hope He doesn't wake up " . > > Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman. > > Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable & unknowable > (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as > opposed to the non-dual Reality? > > Thanks, > Richard Nothing is opposed to " the non-dual reality. " So, apparent dualities aren't opposed to this, but already always included in and as this. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very informative. > > > > I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he said, " I > > sure hope He doesn't wake up " . > > > > Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman. > > > > Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable & unknowable > > (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as > > opposed to the non-dual Reality? > > > > Thanks, > > Richard > > Nothing is opposed to " the non-dual reality. " > > So, apparent dualities aren't opposed to this, but already always > included in and as this. > > -- Dan > ah, so ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks much to the replies to my question. They were very > informative. > > > > > > I once told my brother that we are part of God's dream and he > said, " I > > > sure hope He doesn't wake up " . > > > > > > Perhaps the term Parabrahman is interchangeable with Paramatman. > > > > > > Next question: nirguna & saguna, dream & matter, knowable & > unknowable > > > (as well as the Known and the knower) aren't these dualities as > > > opposed to the non-dual Reality? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Richard > > > > Nothing is opposed to " the non-dual reality. " > > > > So, apparent dualities aren't opposed to this, but already always > > included in and as this. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > ah, so ;-) Ah so, indeed. It's funny, Dan, only last night I was going thru a pile of papers and came across interviews (etc.) of you I had copied out. And today you respond to one of my stupid questions. Thanks. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > Ah so, indeed. It's funny, Dan, only last night I was going thru a > pile of papers and came across interviews (etc.) of you I had copied > out. And today you respond to one of my stupid questions. Thanks. > > Richard My pleasure, Richard. Not a stupid question at all. Far from it. If it's a question asked just in an intellectual or philosophical way, it's not particularly useful. But, if it's arising as I inquire directly, as I'm experiencing duality, then it's very worthwhile, it seems to me. The sense of incompleteness, frustration, or lack one experiences as a being going through life and death -- that is the heart of duality in terms of inquiry (although, of course, there are all kinds of dualities). So, if I understand duality to be included already in/as nonduality, I am opening to my own experience as it is to be my " teacher. " I am encouraged to be open and aware, and not to attempt maneuvers to avoid what is so, directly, experientially, as I am being aware now. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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