Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I have " never " ever succeeded by 'working' on 'thoughts'! Once I think I have resolved one, many more soon appear! It has felt like working on leaves of a tree while the root and stem of the tree is left intact! New leaves always appear... Only respite that I have " ever " found is in the space of 'no thought'. It has been like a " room " inside me where I can rest away from all the noise, turmoil and [alomst] constantly moving [somewhat] nonsense and unnecessary thoughts. I have found that as far as 'emotions' and 'feelings' are concerned... there are NO happy thoughts. Even the " thoughts " that are traditioanlly said to be 'pleasant' start feeling pretty ardous and painful soon. Working on 'emotions' has been even more difficult... because, when I get Fully Present .... I am no longer stressed any more. On the other hand, when I try to *work* on them - just mere thinking of *them* recaretes those 'feeling' in my body and mind again. Wheras, if I start from the point of 'no thought', I feel I can deal with anything... and, in that Space, even 'working on thoughts' makes Great Sense! > > Many people calimed that > 'psychology' could never remove > basic human suffering! > > They claimed nobody was ever > 'fully cured' by it. When 5 > 'issues' were resolved; there were > soon 10 more - because, > 'issue making' 'factory' was > still intact after all 'psychological' > analysis and treatments! > > What is your experience? > > Has psychology gotten rid of all your sufferings? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > I have " never " ever succeeded by > 'working' on 'thoughts'! > > Once I think I have resolved one, > many more soon appear! > > It has felt like working on > leaves of a tree while the root and > stem of the tree is left intact! > > New leaves always appear... > > > Only respite that I have " ever " found > is in the space of 'no thought'. > > It has been like a " room " inside me > where I can rest away from all the noise, > turmoil and [alomst] constantly moving > [somewhat] nonsense and unnecessary > thoughts. > > I have found that as far as 'emotions' > and 'feelings' are concerned... > > there are NO happy thoughts. > > Even the " thoughts " that are traditioanlly > said to be 'pleasant' start feeling pretty > ardous and painful soon. > > > Working on 'emotions' has been even more > difficult... because, when I get Fully Present > ... I am no longer stressed any more. > > On the other hand, when I try to *work* > on them - just mere thinking of *them* recaretes > those 'feeling' in my body and mind again. > > > Wheras, if I start from the point of 'no thought', > I feel I can deal with anything... > > and, in that Space, even 'working on thoughts' > makes Great Sense! > > It makes sense to the same one that is confused? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > I have " never " ever succeeded by > > 'working' on 'thoughts'! > > > > Once I think I have resolved one, > > many more soon appear! > > > > It has felt like working on > > leaves of a tree while the root and > > stem of the tree is left intact! > > > > New leaves always appear... > > > > > > Only respite that I have " ever " found > > is in the space of 'no thought'. > > > > It has been like a " room " inside me > > where I can rest away from all the noise, > > turmoil and [alomst] constantly moving > > [somewhat] nonsense and unnecessary > > thoughts. > > > > I have found that as far as 'emotions' > > and 'feelings' are concerned... > > > > there are NO happy thoughts. > > > > Even the " thoughts " that are traditioanlly > > said to be 'pleasant' start feeling pretty > > ardous and painful soon. > > > > > > Working on 'emotions' has been even more > > difficult... because, when I get Fully Present > > ... I am no longer stressed any more. > > > > On the other hand, when I try to *work* > > on them - just mere thinking of *them* recaretes > > those 'feeling' in my body and mind again. > > > > > > Wheras, if I start from the point of 'no thought', > > I feel I can deal with anything... > > > > and, in that Space, even 'working on thoughts' > > makes Great Sense! > > > > > > > > > It makes sense to the same one that is confused? > > > toombaru There is Only One Thing... Without Light it feels lost and is not sure which way to go. With Light the same thing sees Clearly and knows where it wants to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > I have " never " ever succeeded by > 'working' on 'thoughts'! That's because the 'I' thing is composed of nothing other then thoughts. > > Once I think I have resolved one, > many more soon appear! > > It has felt like working on > leaves of a tree while the root and > stem of the tree is left intact! > > New leaves always appear... > > > Only respite that I have " ever " found > is in the space of 'no thought'. Thinking.....can only imagine a place of 'no thought'. > > It has been like a " room " inside me > where I can rest away from all the noise, > turmoil and [alomst] constantly moving > [somewhat] nonsense and unnecessary > thoughts. ..........round and round we go........ > > I have found that as far as 'emotions' > and 'feelings' are concerned... > > there are NO happy thoughts. > > Even the " thoughts " that are traditioanlly > said to be 'pleasant' start feeling pretty > ardous and painful soon. If you think that this is bad.......just keep trying to figure it all out with the very thing that is causing the 'problem'. > > > Working on 'emotions' has been even more > difficult... That is because 'emotions' exist only as an idea. 'Emotion' is a description....an adjective mistaken for a noun. because, when I get Fully Present > ... I am no longer stressed any more. The 'I' can never be fully present........It is the antithesis of presence. > > On the other hand, when I try to *work* > on them - just mere thinking of *them* recaretes > those 'feeling' in my body and mind again. It's a clever little monkey. > > > Wheras, if I start from the point of 'no thought', > I feel I can deal with anything... Well........everything except 'thought'. > > and, in that Space, even 'working on thoughts' > makes Great Sense! > > No-thing can make sense to a clot of self-referential memories. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > I have " never " ever succeeded by > > > 'working' on 'thoughts'! > > > > > > Once I think I have resolved one, > > > many more soon appear! > > > > > > It has felt like working on > > > leaves of a tree while the root and > > > stem of the tree is left intact! > > > > > > New leaves always appear... > > > > > > > > > Only respite that I have " ever " found > > > is in the space of 'no thought'. > > > > > > It has been like a " room " inside me > > > where I can rest away from all the noise, > > > turmoil and [alomst] constantly moving > > > [somewhat] nonsense and unnecessary > > > thoughts. > > > > > > I have found that as far as 'emotions' > > > and 'feelings' are concerned... > > > > > > there are NO happy thoughts. > > > > > > Even the " thoughts " that are traditioanlly > > > said to be 'pleasant' start feeling pretty > > > ardous and painful soon. > > > > > > > > > Working on 'emotions' has been even more > > > difficult... because, when I get Fully Present > > > ... I am no longer stressed any more. > > > > > > On the other hand, when I try to *work* > > > on them - just mere thinking of *them* recaretes > > > those 'feeling' in my body and mind again. > > > > > > > > > Wheras, if I start from the point of 'no thought', > > > I feel I can deal with anything... > > > > > > and, in that Space, even 'working on thoughts' > > > makes Great Sense! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes sense to the same one that is confused? > > > > > > toombaru > > > There is Only One Thing... > > Without Light > it feels lost and is not sure which way to go. > > With Light > the same thing sees Clearly and knows where it wants to go! > If everything is one thing.........nothing is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > I have " never " ever succeeded by > > 'working' on 'thoughts'! > > > > That's because the 'I' thing is composed of nothing other then thoughts. > > > > > > > > Once I think I have resolved one, > > many more soon appear! > > > > It has felt like working on > > leaves of a tree while the root and > > stem of the tree is left intact! > > > > New leaves always appear... > > > > > > Only respite that I have " ever " found > > is in the space of 'no thought'. > > > > > Thinking.....can only imagine a place of 'no thought'. > > > > > > > > It has been like a " room " inside me > > where I can rest away from all the noise, > > turmoil and [alomst] constantly moving > > [somewhat] nonsense and unnecessary > > thoughts. > > .........round and round we go........ > > > > > > > > I have found that as far as 'emotions' > > and 'feelings' are concerned... > > > > there are NO happy thoughts. > > > > Even the " thoughts " that are traditioanlly > > said to be 'pleasant' start feeling pretty > > ardous and painful soon. > > > > > > If you think that this is bad.......just keep trying to figure it all > out with the very thing that is causing the 'problem'. > > > > > > > > > > > Working on 'emotions' has been even more > > difficult... > > > That is because 'emotions' exist only as an idea. > > 'Emotion' is a description....an adjective mistaken for a noun. because, when I get Fully Present > > ... I am no longer stressed any more. > > The 'I' can never be fully present........It is the antithesis of > presence. > > > > > > > > On the other hand, when I try to *work* > > on them - just mere thinking of *them* recaretes > > those 'feeling' in my body and mind again. > > > > It's a clever little monkey. > > > > > > > > > > > Wheras, if I start from the point of 'no thought', > > I feel I can deal with anything... > > > Well........everything except 'thought'. > > > > > > > > and, in that Space, even 'working on thoughts' > > makes Great Sense! > > > > > > > No-thing can make sense to a clot of self-referential memories. > > > > toombaru > and toombaru too is but a clot of referential memories. now of what the clot and why we know not....neither does the clot named toombaru. know. pretend as he may, he does not...like all selves he is just another turkey looking forward to Thanksgiving, without a clue regarding the Big Surprise for Thanksgiving Day! Hallelujah! and pass the cranberry sauce! ....b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 there is no you to work anything out. it makes no difference if u suck-seed or not. it's all good. dc Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > I have " never " ever succeeded by > 'working' on 'thoughts'! > > Once I think I have resolved one, > many more soon appear! > > It has felt like working on > leaves of a tree while the root and > stem of the tree is left intact! > > New leaves always appear... > > > Only respite that I have " ever " found > is in the space of 'no thought'. > > It has been like a " room " inside me > where I can rest away from all the noise, > turmoil and [alomst] constantly moving > [somewhat] nonsense and unnecessary > thoughts. > > I have found that as far as 'emotions' > and 'feelings' are concerned... > > there are NO happy thoughts. > > Even the " thoughts " that are traditioanlly > said to be 'pleasant' start feeling pretty > ardous and painful soon. > > > Working on 'emotions' has been even more > difficult... because, when I get Fully Present > ... I am no longer stressed any more. > > On the other hand, when I try to *work* > on them - just mere thinking of *them* recaretes > those 'feeling' in my body and mind again. > > > Wheras, if I start from the point of 'no thought', > I feel I can deal with anything... > > and, in that Space, even 'working on thoughts' > makes Great Sense! > > > > > > > Many people calimed that > > 'psychology' could never remove > > basic human suffering! > > > > They claimed nobody was ever > > 'fully cured' by it. When 5 > > 'issues' were resolved; there were > > soon 10 more - because, > > 'issue making' 'factory' was > > still intact after all 'psychological' > > analysis and treatments! > > > > What is your experience? > > > > Has psychology gotten rid of all your sufferings? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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