Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 My manager said: Moment you find yourself in a hole; first thing to do is to stop digging! Once you stop digging, look outside, look up, look in the direction of light* and see what is there and see where you want to go. Once you do that finding your way out will become easy! If we use same analogy to " thought " it becomes like: Moment you realize, you are stuck in painful thought; first thing to do is Stop Thinking! Now, look in the light of your own Presence, Awareness, Consciousness... look where you want to go, what you want to feel, what you want to think... Once you do both of these, you might find that the hole [of stressful thoughts] has disappeared! That has been kind of my experience.... Have you ever tried it? What is your experience? ---- *If you don't have *light* ask for help and ask for light! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > My manager said: > > Moment you find yourself in a hole; > first thing to do is to stop digging! > > Once you stop digging, look outside, > look up, look in the direction of > light* and see what is there and see > where you want to go. > > > Once you do that finding your way out > will become easy! > > > " > If we use same analogy to " thought " it > becomes like: > > Moment you realize, you are stuck in > painful thought; first thing to do is > Stop Thinking! > > Now, look in the light of your own > Presence, Awareness, Consciousness... > look where you want to go, what you > want to feel, what you want to think... > > Once you do both of these, you might > find that the hole [of stressful > thoughts] has disappeared! > > > > That has been kind of my experience.... > > Have you ever tried it? What is your > experience? > > > > > > ---- > > *If you don't have *light* ask for > help and ask for light! > " Welllllll........you'll have to let us know how that turns out for ya. " Dr. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 > > That has been kind of my experience.... > > Have you ever tried it? What is your > experience? Experiences come and go. Why get stuck in the impermanent? But if it works for you, and you are happy....more power to you. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 >>My experience is that it is impossible to use one's will to stop thoughts or as you say " Stop Thinking! " . You boil water by heating it up. You stop thinking by... meditation. and, many, many people around the globe do it. When someone asks me to 'not think' of 'monkey'... I don't try to 'not think' of 'monkey' I focus on thinking of something else... like roses, lakes, rivers, oceans or I just concentrate on thinking of one thing... Empty Sky... When my thoughts go somewhere else, I bring it back again... and, as I do it becomes easier and easier... Similarily, 'not thinking' I find quite simple and once I have done it I have 'learnt' it. Now, I can simply 'remember' how it feels... and, there it is... I feel it right now! Same way, when I know how 'love' feels... I know how to feel it pretty much anytime! When I know how 'happiness' feels, I can pretty much feel it anytime I remember it. I am sure, you know it too! Any 'feeling' that we have had and expereinced, we are able to recreate. Remeber, how we were/are able to create 'lust', 'anger', 'rage', 'hate', 'sadness' simply by trying to 'remember' it... or, simply by trying to 'create' them! Remember, how we were/are able to *act* them in dramas. Well emotions like LOve, Happiness, Paece are not that different. One way I get into 'no thought' is simply by remebering how PEACE feels like. By remembering how Meditation feels like! And, Mediation = Peace = No thought I also use many other techniques that you might already be well aware of and I am very sure that I am not the only one who does it. Love, ac. PS ----- I was told that our mind doesn't undersatnd 'negative' .... it only understand 'positive'! Ask it to 'lose weight' and it will gets stuck with 'weight'. But, ask it find a way to fit into size 8 jeans... and, to run 10 mile marathon... it might find a Way! Ask it to 'not think'... and, it will get stuck with 'think' but, ask it how exactly 'peace' feels and it might show you the way... Regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 >>My experience is that it is impossible to use one's will to stop thoughts or as you say " Stop Thinking! " . You 'stop' 'thinking' because you start doing... something else! And, that something else is... Meditation! And, many, many people around the globe do it! And, once you 'learnt' it, you can do it simply by *remembering* 'how it feels'! When someone asks me to 'not think' of 'monkey'... I don't try to 'not think' of 'monkey' I focus on thinking of something else... like roses, lakes, rivers, oceans or I just concentrate on thinking of one thing... Empty Sky... When my thoughts go somewhere else, I bring it back again... and, as I do it becomes easier and easier... Similarily, 'not thinking' I find quite simple and once I have done it I have 'learnt' it. Now, I can simply 'remember' how it feels... and, there it is... I feel it right now! Same way, when I know how 'love' feels... I know how to feel it pretty much anytime! When I know how 'happiness' feels, I can pretty much feel it anytime I remember it. I am sure, you know it too! Any 'feeling' that we have had and expereinced, we are able to recreate. Remeber, how we were/are able to create 'lust', 'anger', 'rage', 'hate', 'sadness' simply by trying to 'remember' it... or, simply by trying to 'create' them! Remember, how we were/are able to *act* them in dramas. Well emotions like LOve, Happiness, Paece are not that different. One way I get into 'no thought' is simply by remebering how PEACE feels like. By remembering how Meditation feels like! And, Mediation = Peace = No thought I also use many other techniques that you might already be well aware of and I am very sure that I am not the only one who does it. Love, ac. PS ----- I was told that our mind doesn't undersatnd 'negative' .... it only understand 'positive'! Ask it to 'lose weight' and it will gets stuck with 'weight'. But, ask it find a way to fit into size 8 jeans... and, to run 10 mile marathon... it might find a Way! Ask it to 'not think'... and, it will get stuck with 'think' but, ask it how exactly 'peace' feels and it might show you the way... Regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > >>My experience is that it is impossible to use one's will to stop > thoughts or as you say " Stop Thinking! " . > > You boil water by heating it up. > > You stop thinking by... meditation. > > and, many, many people around the globe > do it. > > > When someone asks me to 'not think' of 'monkey'... > > I don't try to 'not think' of 'monkey' > I focus on thinking of something else... > like roses, lakes, rivers, > oceans or I just concentrate on > thinking of one thing... Empty Sky... > > When my thoughts go somewhere else, > I bring it back again... and, as I > do it becomes easier and easier... > > > Similarily, 'not thinking' I find quite simple > and once I have done it I have 'learnt' it. > Now, I can simply 'remember' how it feels... > and, there it is... I feel it right now! > > Same way, when I know how 'love' feels... > I know how to feel it pretty much anytime! > > When I know how 'happiness' feels, I can > pretty much feel it anytime I remember it. > > > I am sure, you know it too! > > Any 'feeling' that we have had and expereinced, > we are able to recreate. > > Remeber, how we were/are able to create 'lust', > 'anger', 'rage', 'hate', 'sadness' simply > by trying to 'remember' it... or, simply > by trying to 'create' them! > > Remember, how we were/are able to *act* them > in dramas. > > Well emotions like LOve, Happiness, Paece > are not that different. > > One way I get into 'no thought' is simply > by remebering how PEACE feels like. > > By remembering how Meditation feels like! > > > And, > > Mediation = Peace = No thought > > > > I also use many other techniques that you might > already be well aware of and I am very sure that > I am not the only one who does it. > > > Love, > ac. > > > PS > ----- > > I was told that our mind doesn't undersatnd 'negative' > ... it only understand 'positive'! > > Ask it to 'lose weight' and it will gets stuck with 'weight'. > > But, ask it find a way to fit into size 8 jeans... and, > to run 10 mile marathon... it might find a Way! > > Ask it to 'not think'... and, it will get stuck with 'think' > but, ask it how exactly 'peace' feels and it might show > you the way... > > > > > Regards, > ac. > Prescriptions for a disease that doen not exist. Practicing medicine in the morgue. These are interesting ideas..........but they will never work........for one very good reason: They are ideas....hoping to repair that which exists only as an idea. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > >>My experience is that it is impossible to use one's will to stop > > thoughts or as you say " Stop Thinking! " . > > > > You boil water by heating it up. > > > > You stop thinking by... meditation. > > > > and, many, many people around the globe > > do it. > > > > > > When someone asks me to 'not think' of 'monkey'... > > > > I don't try to 'not think' of 'monkey' > > I focus on thinking of something else... > > like roses, lakes, rivers, > > oceans or I just concentrate on > > thinking of one thing... Empty Sky... > > > > When my thoughts go somewhere else, > > I bring it back again... and, as I > > do it becomes easier and easier... > > > > > > Similarily, 'not thinking' I find quite simple > > and once I have done it I have 'learnt' it. > > Now, I can simply 'remember' how it feels... > > and, there it is... I feel it right now! > > > > Same way, when I know how 'love' feels... > > I know how to feel it pretty much anytime! > > > > When I know how 'happiness' feels, I can > > pretty much feel it anytime I remember it. > > > > > > I am sure, you know it too! > > > > Any 'feeling' that we have had and expereinced, > > we are able to recreate. > > > > Remeber, how we were/are able to create 'lust', > > 'anger', 'rage', 'hate', 'sadness' simply > > by trying to 'remember' it... or, simply > > by trying to 'create' them! > > > > Remember, how we were/are able to *act* them > > in dramas. > > > > Well emotions like LOve, Happiness, Paece > > are not that different. > > > > One way I get into 'no thought' is simply > > by remebering how PEACE feels like. > > > > By remembering how Meditation feels like! > > > > > > And, > > > > Mediation = Peace = No thought > > > > > > > > I also use many other techniques that you might > > already be well aware of and I am very sure that > > I am not the only one who does it. > > > > > > Love, > > ac. > > > > > > PS > > ----- > > > > I was told that our mind doesn't undersatnd 'negative' > > ... it only understand 'positive'! > > > > Ask it to 'lose weight' and it will gets stuck with 'weight'. > > > > But, ask it find a way to fit into size 8 jeans... and, > > to run 10 mile marathon... it might find a Way! > > > > Ask it to 'not think'... and, it will get stuck with 'think' > > but, ask it how exactly 'peace' feels and it might show > > you the way... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > ac. > > > > > > > Prescriptions for a disease that doen not exist. > > > Practicing medicine in the morgue. > > > These are interesting ideas..........but they will never > work........for one very good reason: > > > They are ideas....hoping to repair that which exists only as an idea. > > > > toombaru > " Oh.............but shurly I can fix myself. you say. No.............no you can't. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 [...] > > > > Prescriptions for a disease that doen not exist. > > > > > > Practicing medicine in the morgue. > > > > > > These are interesting ideas..........but they will never > > work........for one very good reason: > > > > > > They are ideas....hoping to repair that which exists only as an idea. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > " Oh.............but shurly I can fix myself. > > you say. > > > > No.............no you can't. > > > > > > toombaru > It is not about 'fixing' 'I', T! It is about fixing a 'body'! And, 'doctors' do it all the Time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > Prescriptions for a disease that doen not exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Practicing medicine in the morgue. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are interesting ideas..........but they will never > > > > work........for one very good reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > They are ideas....hoping to repair that which exists only as an > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Oh.............but shurly I can fix myself. > > > > > > you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > No.............no you can't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > It is not about 'fixing' 'I', T! > > > > It is about fixing a 'body'! > > > > And, 'doctors' do it all the Time! > > > > > > There is a material world......and there is a conceptual world. > > Only one can be intentionally fixed. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > >>My experience is that it is impossible to use one's will to stop > > thoughts or as you say " Stop Thinking! " . > > > > You boil water by heating it up. > > > > You stop thinking by... meditation. > > > > and, many, many people around the globe > > do it. > > > > > > When someone asks me to 'not think' of 'monkey'... > > > > I don't try to 'not think' of 'monkey' > > I focus on thinking of something else... > > like roses, lakes, rivers, > > oceans or I just concentrate on > > thinking of one thing... Empty Sky... > > > > When my thoughts go somewhere else, > > I bring it back again... and, as I > > do it becomes easier and easier... > > > > > > Similarily, 'not thinking' I find quite simple > > and once I have done it I have 'learnt' it. > > Now, I can simply 'remember' how it feels... > > and, there it is... I feel it right now! > > > > Same way, when I know how 'love' feels... > > I know how to feel it pretty much anytime! > > > > When I know how 'happiness' feels, I can > > pretty much feel it anytime I remember it. > > > > > > I am sure, you know it too! > > > > Any 'feeling' that we have had and expereinced, > > we are able to recreate. > > > > Remeber, how we were/are able to create 'lust', > > 'anger', 'rage', 'hate', 'sadness' simply > > by trying to 'remember' it... or, simply > > by trying to 'create' them! > > > > Remember, how we were/are able to *act* them > > in dramas. > > > > Well emotions like LOve, Happiness, Paece > > are not that different. > > > > One way I get into 'no thought' is simply > > by remebering how PEACE feels like. > > > > By remembering how Meditation feels like! > > > > > > And, > > > > Mediation = Peace = No thought > > > > > > > > I also use many other techniques that you might > > already be well aware of and I am very sure that > > I am not the only one who does it. > > > > > > Love, > > ac. > > > > > > PS > > ----- > > > > I was told that our mind doesn't undersatnd 'negative' > > ... it only understand 'positive'! > > > > Ask it to 'lose weight' and it will gets stuck with 'weight'. > > > > But, ask it find a way to fit into size 8 jeans... and, > > to run 10 mile marathon... it might find a Way! > > > > Ask it to 'not think'... and, it will get stuck with 'think' > > but, ask it how exactly 'peace' feels and it might show > > you the way... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > ac. > > > > > > > Prescriptions for a disease that doen not exist. > > > Practicing medicine in the morgue. > > > These are interesting ideas..........but they will never > work........for one very good reason: > > > They are ideas....hoping to repair that which exists only as an idea. > > > > toombaru > Hey this is great advise for your own idea of self. This is a good prescription for you Doc. As you can readily see you have no diseases to fix among the equally dead.....and no ideas to repair there.......dead men don't think ideas nor wear plaid. But you enjoy hearing and reading yourself don't you? Such a wise fellow. .........b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prescriptions for a disease that doen not exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practicing medicine in the morgue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are interesting ideas..........but they will never > > > > > work........for one very good reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are ideas....hoping to repair that which exists only as an > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Oh.............but shurly I can fix myself. > > > > > > > > you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No.............no you can't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not about 'fixing' 'I', T! > > > > > > It is about fixing a 'body'! > > > > > > And, 'doctors' do it all the Time! > > > > > > > > > > > There is a material world......and there is a conceptual world. > > > > Only one can be intentionally fixed. > > > > > > > > toombaru WRONG! There is neither a material nor a conceptual world. For that matter no holy nor spiritual world. World is an Idea of That which we know not and never can. Fixes do not exist for any World Idea...nothing is broken or unrepaired in Perfection......All is Perfect....defects exist only in the eyes of 'beholders'. If 'intention' can exist, it is not a property of a 'beholder' and thus the conceptualized singular unit is without recourse to 'fixing up' anything or anyworld of any material or concept. This is kid's stuff really. ...b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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