Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > Identification is suffering. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > Identification is suffering. > > > > > toombaru > and of course 'you' identify with this...it is 'your' statement after all. ...b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > a drug to whom ? an addiction to whom ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is suffering. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > and of course 'you' identify with this...it is 'your' statement after > all. > > ...b > Roberibus, What's your problem? To every single post by toombaru in this set, you reply with a negative put-down. Are you jealous of him and his philosophy and way with words? I would much rather read toombaru's statements than your repeated hostile replies. I don't need your commentaries on toombaru's posts to be able to put them into perspective. And the site would be more pleasant without them,in my opinion. I would like to read your views, coming directly from you, and not as a reactive reflexive response piggybacking off another's posts. Now you can respond to me and tell me what a jerk I am, but that would be nothing new to me or to anyone who has read my scattered posts. Best wishes, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > and of course 'you' identify with this...it is 'your' statement > after > > all. > > > > ...b > > > > Roberibus, > > What's your problem? To every single post by toombaru in this set, > you reply with a negative put-down. Are you jealous of him and his > philosophy and way with words? > > I would much rather read toombaru's statements than your repeated > hostile replies. I don't need your commentaries on toombaru's posts > to be able to put them into perspective. And the site would be more > pleasant without them,in my opinion. > > I would like to read your views, coming directly from you, and not > as a reactive reflexive response piggybacking off another's posts. > > Now you can respond to me and tell me what a jerk I am, but that > would be nothing new to me or to anyone who has read my scattered > posts. > > Best wishes, > Richard > Hello Richard, Bobby and I really do like each other......Sometimes our discourse may appear aggressive (It has even got us kicked off lists in the past...LOL) but there is a fearlessness there that deeply appreciated. (at least on this side). After reading bob's responses....I find my self swimming deeper. Toombaru no longer grows from pats on the back...:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > and of course 'you' identify with this...it is 'your' statement > after > > all. > > > > ...b > > > > Roberibus, > > What's your problem? To every single post by toombaru in this set, > you reply with a negative put-down. Are you jealous of him and his > philosophy and way with words? > > I would much rather read toombaru's statements than your repeated > hostile replies. I don't need your commentaries on toombaru's posts > to be able to put them into perspective. And the site would be more > pleasant without them,in my opinion. > > I would like to read your views, coming directly from you, and not > as a reactive reflexive response piggybacking off another's posts. > > Now you can respond to me and tell me what a jerk I am, but that > would be nothing new to me or to anyone who has read my scattered > posts. > > Best wishes, > Richard > Thanks for the laughs Dick! I adore a good natured comment. That's my view, coming directly from me, but it's also a reactive, reflective response, piggybacking off another's(yours) post. Sorry for that pal. I know the site would be a much better place without these nice words written to a scattered poster, but what the hell, I'm having fun just like you. Well I bet you and I could become grand and great friends if ever it is possible to see through your hostile unreflective responses. But honestly Rick, I'm not jealous of your way with words or philosophy(if indeed one is present), and I feel sorry for you that so many seem to think you a jerk.....just a knee-jerk and sensible thought on their part I guess. nothing new here huh? yours in the quest for certainty, ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > and of course 'you' identify with this...it is 'your' statement > > after > > > all. > > > > > > ...b > > > > > > > Roberibus, > > > > What's your problem? To every single post by toombaru in this set, > > you reply with a negative put-down. Are you jealous of him and his > > philosophy and way with words? > > > > I would much rather read toombaru's statements than your repeated > > hostile replies. I don't need your commentaries on toombaru's posts > > to be able to put them into perspective. And the site would be more > > pleasant without them,in my opinion. > > > > I would like to read your views, coming directly from you, and not > > as a reactive reflexive response piggybacking off another's posts. > > > > Now you can respond to me and tell me what a jerk I am, but that > > would be nothing new to me or to anyone who has read my scattered > > posts. > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > > > > Hello Richard, > > > Bobby and I really do like each other......Sometimes our discourse may > appear aggressive (It has even got us kicked off lists in the > past...LOL) but there is a fearlessness there that deeply appreciated. > (at least on this side). > > > After reading bob's responses....I find my self swimming deeper. > > Toombaru no longer grows from pats on the back...:-) > hey toombaru, how be you? those times of list banishment were some of the best! Way Cool......I always wondered why, but a second thought never followed, so it sort of slipped away.......thanks for the a reasonable answer as to the reasoning of the beloved moderator..........so you think he thought we appeared aggresive?oy, he didn't even give us a chance to really get it on. p.s. we are indeed friends, and there are darn precious few in this world that can play the back and forth as well as you, and even fewer who give such astounding and deep calling replies. .........b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Identification is suffering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > and of course 'you' identify with this...it is 'your' statement > > after > > > all. > > > > > > ...b > > > > > > > Roberibus, > > > > What's your problem? To every single post by toombaru in this set, > > you reply with a negative put-down. Are you jealous of him and his > > philosophy and way with words? > > > > I would much rather read toombaru's statements than your repeated > > hostile replies. I don't need your commentaries on toombaru's posts > > to be able to put them into perspective. And the site would be more > > pleasant without them,in my opinion. > > > > I would like to read your views, coming directly from you, and not > > as a reactive reflexive response piggybacking off another's posts. > > > > Now you can respond to me and tell me what a jerk I am, but that > > would be nothing new to me or to anyone who has read my scattered > > posts. > > > > Best wishes, > > Richard > > > > > > Hello Richard, > > > Bobby and I really do like each other......Sometimes our discourse may > appear aggressive (It has even got us kicked off lists in the > past...LOL) but there is a fearlessness there that deeply appreciated. > (at least on this side). > > > After reading bob's responses....I find my self swimming deeper. > > Toombaru no longer grows from pats on the back...:-) > " Toombaru no longer grows from pats on the back...:-) " _These days he's using the keyboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 toombaru and Bob, If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in private emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? Bob, I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to you as to anyone else. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Richard " <richarkar wrote: > > toombaru and Bob, > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in private > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > Bob, > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to you as > to anyone else. > > Richard > this is good Richard. .b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 b, > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to you as > to anyone else. > You can only get so close to an idea. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 > toombaru and Bob, > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in private > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > Bob, > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to you as > to anyone else. > > Richard > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain needing to be clarified? " Jax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual wrote: > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in private > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > Bob, > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to you as > > to anyone else. > > > > Richard > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain needing to be clarified? " > > > Jax > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. Issues are conceptual. What 'issues' exist in nature? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in private > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to you as > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain needing > to be clarified? " > > > > > > Jax > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > Issues are conceptual. > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > toombaru > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is said and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from this " unconscious " search. Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the texture of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To be accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected just for " BEING " . All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent emptiness, to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. Imhi. Love and Peace, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > private > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to > you as > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > needing > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is said > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > this " unconscious " search. > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the texture > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To be > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected just > for " BEING " . > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent emptiness, > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > Imhi. > > Love and Peace, > Anna > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > private > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to > > you as > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > needing > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is said > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the texture > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To be > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected just > > for " BEING " . > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent emptiness, > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > Imhi. > > > > Love and Peace, > > Anna > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > toombaru > ....and then in the 7th phase of the sapphire moon, 'survival' is just not what it used to be. The desire for Love, for the experience of UNITY-of some unknown ecstasy that somehow exists, is somehow an echo of memory being 'remembered'. And somehow one becomes unwilling to just 'survive' in the medicrity of what " life " without the experience of REAL Love is; the truth of what we have been living in our 'survival' mode. ....at that moment... that one perfectly clear, lucid moment, one is willing to let go of everything, reach into the unknown, and truly experience what the universe has been waiting for: The knowing of the Beloved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > > private > > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as > close to > > > you as > > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > > needing > > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is > said > > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the > texture > > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. > To be > > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected > just > > > for " BEING " . > > > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent > emptiness, > > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > > > Imhi. > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ...and then in the 7th phase of the sapphire moon, 'survival' is > just not what it used to be. The desire for Love, for the > experience of UNITY-of some unknown ecstasy that somehow exists, is > somehow an echo of memory being 'remembered'. And somehow one > becomes unwilling to just 'survive' in the medicrity of what " life " > without the experience of REAL Love is; the truth of what we have > been living in our 'survival' mode. > > ...at that moment... that one perfectly clear, lucid moment, one is > willing to let go of everything, reach into the unknown, and truly > experience what the universe has been waiting for: > > The knowing of the Beloved. > Anna, You are always and only the Beloved. It is the striving out of which the entity emerges........and disappears. The longing is merely a sign post in the desert. It will evaporate the moment the circle is complete. ............and the river flows back into itself........ ........and that moment is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > private > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close to > > you as > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > needing > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is said > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the texture > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To be > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected just > > for " BEING " . > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent emptiness, > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > Imhi. > > > > Love and Peace, > > Anna > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > toombaru > Fear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > > private > > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close > to > > > you as > > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > > needing > > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is > said > > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the > texture > > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To > be > > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected > just > > > for " BEING " . > > > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent > emptiness, > > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > > > Imhi. > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Fear? > " The hypothesis that I've come up with is that the block which cuts off so-called normal human consciousness from its roots in that other, impersonal consciousness, is some kind of inflation or hyperactivity of the psychological survival-system. " John Wren-Lewis Fear and the illusion of separation go hand in hand. They are inseparable. There is no place for the mind of man to lay its weary head. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > > > private > > > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close > > to > > > > you as > > > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > > > needing > > > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is > > said > > > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the > > texture > > > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To > > be > > > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected > > just > > > > for " BEING " . > > > > > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent > > emptiness, > > > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > > > > > Imhi. > > > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Fear? > " The hypothesis that I've come up with is that the block which cuts > off so-called normal human consciousness from its roots in that other, > impersonal consciousness, is some kind of inflation or hyperactivity > of the psychological survival-system. " > > John Wren-Lewis > > > Fear and the illusion of separation go hand in hand. > > They are inseparable. > > There is no place for the mind of man to lay its weary head. > > > > > toombaru > That which the entity calls 'love' is merely the counterbalance for the substrate of fear under which it labors. Upon Apperception 'love' and 'fear' flow into...and neutralize each-other...... The only thing left............is the Smile. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > a drug to whom ? > an addiction to whom ? > ...iietsa > A 'drug' to the same one to which other 'drugs' apply - to the bodymind. An 'addiction' to the same one to which other 'addictions' apply - to the bodymind. To that one which writes this message - the bodymind. To that one who reads this message - the bodymind. To that one which 'asked' the question - the bodymind. A living body is a working mind... and, a 'working' mind is a living body. There is no speration between the two... I have never seen a living body without a mind... and, I have never 'seen' a 'wroking' 'mind' without ...a 'body'! Have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > > > > private > > > > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close > > > to > > > > > you as > > > > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > > > > needing > > > > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is > > > said > > > > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > > > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > > > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > > > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > > > > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the > > > texture > > > > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To > > > be > > > > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected > > > just > > > > > for " BEING " . > > > > > > > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent > > > emptiness, > > > > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > > > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > > > > > > > Imhi. > > > > > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Fear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The hypothesis that I've come up with is that the block which cuts > > off so-called normal human consciousness from its roots in that other, > > impersonal consciousness, is some kind of inflation or hyperactivity > > of the psychological survival-system. " > > > > John Wren-Lewis > > > > > > Fear and the illusion of separation go hand in hand. > > > > They are inseparable. > > > > There is no place for the mind of man to lay its weary head. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That which the entity calls 'love' is merely the counterbalance for > the substrate of fear under which it labors. > > Upon Apperception 'love' and 'fear' flow into...and neutralize > each-other...... > > > The only thing left............is the Smile. > > > > > toombaru > ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > a drug to whom ? > > an addiction to whom ? > > ...iietsa > > > > > A 'drug' to the same one to which other 'drugs' > apply - to the bodymind. > > An 'addiction' to the same one to which other 'addictions' > apply - to the bodymind. > > To that one which writes this message - the bodymind. > > To that one who reads this message - the bodymind. > > > > To that one which 'asked' the question - the bodymind. > > > > A living body is a working mind... > > and, a 'working' mind is a living body. > > > There is no speration between the two... > > > I have never seen a living body without a mind... > and, I have never 'seen' a 'wroking' 'mind' without ...a 'body'! > > > > Have you? > I have seen a human body without a personal mind. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > a drug to whom ? > > > an addiction to whom ? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > A 'drug' to the same one to which other 'drugs' > > apply - to the bodymind. > > > > An 'addiction' to the same one to which other 'addictions' > > apply - to the bodymind. > > > > To that one which writes this message - the bodymind. > > > > To that one who reads this message - the bodymind. > > > > > > > > To that one which 'asked' the question - the bodymind. > > > > > > > > A living body is a working mind... > > > > and, a 'working' mind is a living body. > > > > > > There is no speration between the two... > > > > > > I have never seen a living body without a mind... > > and, I have never 'seen' a 'wroking' 'mind' without ...a 'body'! > > > > > > > > Have you? > > > > > > I have seen a human body without a personal mind. I guess that depends on your definition of 'personal'. What is your definition of 'personal'? > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > is 'suffering' a 'drug' [harmone] 'addiction'? > > > > > > > > > a drug to whom ? > > > > an addiction to whom ? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > A 'drug' to the same one to which other 'drugs' > > > apply - to the bodymind. > > > > > > An 'addiction' to the same one to which other 'addictions' > > > apply - to the bodymind. > > > > > > To that one which writes this message - the bodymind. > > > > > > To that one who reads this message - the bodymind. > > > > > > > > > > > > To that one which 'asked' the question - the bodymind. > > > > > > > > > > > > A living body is a working mind... > > > > > > and, a 'working' mind is a living body. > > > > > > > > > There is no speration between the two... > > > > > > > > > I have never seen a living body without a mind... > > > and, I have never 'seen' a 'wroking' 'mind' without ...a 'body'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you? > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a human body without a personal mind. > > > > I guess that depends on your definition of 'personal'. > > What is your definition of 'personal'? > > > The illusory obscuration of the natural mind by the accumulation of mnemonic debris called " Me " . toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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