Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 [...] > > > > > > I have seen a human body without a personal mind. > > > > > > > > I guess that depends on your definition of 'personal'. > > > > What is your definition of 'personal'? > > > > The illusory obscuration of the natural mind by the accumulation of > mnemonic debris called " Me " . Well your explanation of 'personal' explains... what " you " have 'seen' and, 'why'! > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > > > > I have seen a human body without a personal mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess that depends on your definition of 'personal'. > > > > > > What is your definition of 'personal'? > > > > > > > The illusory obscuration of the natural mind by the accumulation of > > mnemonic debris called " Me " . > > > Well your explanation of > 'personal' explains... > > what " you " have 'seen' > and, 'why'! > > > > > > toombaru > > > How else could it be? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a human body without a personal mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess that depends on your definition of 'personal'. > > > > > > > > What is your definition of 'personal'? > > > > > > > > > > The illusory obscuration of the natural mind by the accumulation of > > > mnemonic debris called " Me " . > > > > > > Well your explanation of > > 'personal' explains... > > > > what " you " have 'seen' > > and, 'why'! > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > How else could it be? > > toombaru > This how dictionary defines it: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personal What is " illusory " and what is not is a 'spiritual' 'trip' which itself is... " illusory " ! And, perhaps the most " illusory " of them All! Discussion [and 'thinking'] of 'spirituality' is what keeps real 'spirituality' away from the grasp of most 'seekers'! Laying 'spiritual' 'trips' on parctical day to day 'material' thing is what creates lot of ... confusion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > > > > private > > > > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as close > > > to > > > > > you as > > > > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > > > > needing > > > > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is > > > said > > > > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > > > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > > > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > > > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > > > > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the > > > texture > > > > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. To > > > be > > > > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected > > > just > > > > > for " BEING " . > > > > > > > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent > > > emptiness, > > > > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > > > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > > > > > > > Imhi. > > > > > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Fear? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The hypothesis that I've come up with is that the block which cuts > > off so-called normal human consciousness from its roots in that other, > > impersonal consciousness, is some kind of inflation or hyperactivity > > of the psychological survival-system. " > > > > John Wren-Lewis > > > > > > Fear and the illusion of separation go hand in hand. > > > > They are inseparable. > > > > There is no place for the mind of man to lay its weary head. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That which the entity calls 'love' is merely the counterbalance for > the substrate of fear under which it labors. > > Upon Apperception 'love' and 'fear' flow into...and neutralize > each-other...... > > > The only thing left............is the Smile. > > > > > toombaru > Yes, merge first, then die a little for the Cosmic Joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era Molnar " <n0ndual@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru and Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you two like bickering so much, why don't you do it in > > > > private > > > > > > > emails to one another and give the rest of us a break? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never thought that we are not friends. I feel as > > close to > > > > you as > > > > > > > to anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A question: If we simply dropped all of our concepts and > > > > > " thoughts " about everything including self, ego, others, karma, > > > > > Dzogchen, Buddhism, teachings, teachers, empowerments, paths of > > > > > practice, techniques etc., and simply took refuge in our > > > > > non-conceptual Presence of Awareness, what issues would remain > > > > needing > > > > > to be clarified? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no 'we' outside of the concepts. > > > > > > > > > > The sense of 'we' emerges from within the conceptual overlay. > > > > > > > > > > Issues are conceptual. > > > > > > > > > > What 'issues' exist in nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is there any issue that is 'natural'? > > > > > > > > Perhaps the search for love. And mistake not, after all that is > > said > > > > and done in this group, as well as any other so-called spiritual > > > > groups, including our homes, cities and countries, religious and > > > > political affiliations and any/all conflicts/wars are born from > > > > this " unconscious " search. > > > > > > > > Man's search for meaning: how to love and be loved in the > > texture > > > > of our daily life, wherever we are, however we appear to BE. > > To be > > > > accepted. To be acknowledged. To be understood and respected > > just > > > > for " BEING " . > > > > > > > > All else is just 'stuff' we use to hide from our inherent > > emptiness, > > > > to quiet our annihilating fear of being unloved which is akin to > > > > being 'unneeded' in the grand scheme of things. > > > > > > > > Imhi. > > > > > > > > Love and Peace, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not love that is primary to the entity........it is survival. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > ...and then in the 7th phase of the sapphire moon, 'survival' is > > just not what it used to be. The desire for Love, for the > > experience of UNITY-of some unknown ecstasy that somehow exists, is > > somehow an echo of memory being 'remembered'. And somehow one > > becomes unwilling to just 'survive' in the medicrity of what " life " > > without the experience of REAL Love is; the truth of what we have > > been living in our 'survival' mode. > > > > ...at that moment... that one perfectly clear, lucid moment, one is > > willing to let go of everything, reach into the unknown, and truly > > experience what the universe has been waiting for: > > > > The knowing of the Beloved. > Anna, > > You are always and only the Beloved. > > It is the striving out of which the entity emerges........and disappears. > > > The longing is merely a sign post in the desert. > > > It will evaporate the moment the circle is complete. > > > ...........and the river flows back into itself........ > > > > .......and that moment is now. > " I " will never 'see' that until and unless " I " have a mirror-- " YOU " and this is how the mirror of eternity sees. My Love. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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