Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Got Work? www.theWork.com ------------------- There is a guy in my office. He turns stiff when I see him. Based on that, I think he is not comfortable with me. He is holding something against me that he has not told me about. He is holding something that he is not comfortable about. Is it true? Yes, possibly. Can I absolutely know that it is true? No. And, I notice that I rarely work in the land of " absolutes " . There is almost nothing that I can absolutely know. I often have to work with " likely true " and most of the times, " true enough " is " good enough " for me. Is it " true enough " ? Yes. I have found this 'symptom' of 'discomfort' within me. I have seen it as a symptom of discomfort in many people that I know. I have enquired and have found it to be due to discomfort in many other people that I have worked with in the past. I have found it as a symptom of discomfort in this very person in the past. It is also a well researched and documented phenomenon that body language is often 'truer' that spoken words and stiffness is considered a sign of discomfort. Based on all these, it is fair to say that it seems " true enough " . How do I react when I believe that thought? I get slightly concerned. I think he is trying to hide something from me and what he is trying to hide is probably not a " good thing " . I have seen in my past companies that it is usually " bad news " that people try to hide, keep secret till the last minute. However, in most cases, earlier I know of it, better prepared I can be. What will I be without that thought? I will not make any 'story' about his 'stiffness' and may not 'suspect' that anything is wrong. I will simply keep doing what I am doing and not try to find out what might be going on neither will I feel any pressing need to prepare alternatives. Can I find a peaceful reason to keep this thought? Yes. It points me to the need of investigation and preparation. I can contact him directly and if that doesn't work then, I can contact other people who might have this information and try to find out what is going on. I can also change my behavior, communication and work to see if that makes his more comfortable. I might also start preparing for my defense and alternative in case it became necessary. [turnarounds in the next mail...] --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Got Work? > > www.theWork.com > ------------------- Is it true that I don't want him to get 'stiff' when he sees me? No. I want him to turn 'stiff' when he does because seeing his stiffness helps me investigate the underlying cause. It gives me early indication to what is still not 'verbally' expressed. Is it true that I don't want him to be 'uncomfortable' with me? No. I want him to be uncomfortable with me when he does because it gives me an idea to what he finds comfortable and what he finds uncomfortable. It tells me what works with him and what doesn't when making him comfortable is one of my goals. Without these 'signs' I will have little idea of how to work with him because 'verbally' he speaks very little on his own and he rarely communicates via written communication too. These 'signs' serve a very important, valuable and useful purpose for me. I want to see to see him get 'stiff' when he does. I want to see him getting 'uncomfortable' when he does. Turnarounds ---------------- I turn stiff many times when I see him. True. I am not comfortable with him. True. I have something about him that I haven't told him. True. I have something about him that if he knows now, he can be better prepared. True. I am trying to hide something from him. True. We are not a very good match for each other because both of us are uncomfortable and both of us find reasons to hide something form each other. " True enough " . This is the best he can do for now. " True enough " . This is the best I can do for now. " True enough " . He is doing the best he can do under circumstances. " True enough " . I am doing the best I can do under circumstances. " True enough " . It is good for him to be 'concerned' about it sometimes. True enough. It is good for me to be concerned about it sometimes. True enough. It is good for him to be unaware of it sometimes. True. It is good for me to be unaware of it sometimes. True. And, I don't try communicating verbally and in written communication to him. Not true. My concerns regarding him are valid. True. His concerns regarding me are valid. True. Our relationship is likely headed towards a conflict. True enough i.e. " likely " enough. It is good for me to know that. Yes, it gives me time to prepare. It is good for me to sometimes get worried, concerned about it. Yes. It keeps giving me 'reminders'. It asks me to " evaluate " my options and my preparedness and, it reminds me of the need to stay prepared and work on any possible remedial. Without that I will have no... Check Points. It truly works like a Very Important and Useful Alarm Clock for me. I thank God for this stress without this, preparation for any disaster that I " want to " avoid will be very difficult. Thank you for this Stress, God! Please giving me this stress until I " no longer " need them! Thank you for doing that, God! You take such good care of me when I am too " unconsious " to be doing what myself told you that I want to be doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 GuruRatings , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Got Work? > > www.TheWork.com > > ------------------ [...] > It is good for me to sometimes get > worried, concerned about it. > > Yes. It keeps giving me 'reminders'. > It asks me to " evaluate " my options and > my preparedness and, it reminds me of > the need to stay prepared and work on > any possible remedial. > > Without that I will have no... Check > Points. > > It truly works like a Very Important > and Useful Alarm Clock for me. I thank > God for this stress without this, > preparation for any disaster that I > " want to " avoid will be very difficult. > > Thank you for this Stress, God! > > Please giving me this stress until > I " no longer " need them! Thank you > for doing that, God! You take such > good care of me when I am too " unconsious " > to be doing what myself told you that > I want to be doing! > How can I do the same thing without " needing " stress to " help me " ? It will require me to be Very Aware. I can regularly check, evaluate and prepare for what I " consciously " want to be doing without needing stress to 'remind' me of doing that. When I do that, stress stops occurring. I need 'reminder' only for that on which I am not " consciously " working and I " want to " . When my " want to " changes, related stress disappears. When I am already working on that which I " want to " ; then too, that stress disappears! My stress occurs when I do something without completely understanding and without clearly telling myself that 'what I am doing right now' is exactly 'what I want to be doing Right Now'! Whenever, there is any doubt that what I am doing right now may not be exactly what I want to be doing Right Now... Stress " does " and " should " occur! It tells me that I either - Change 'what I am doing Right Now'. Or, - I change my thought about 'what I want to be doing Right Now'. When I do that and bring both in complete sync the " need " for 'stress' dissapaers - and so does the stress! Until that happens, it " doesn't " dissapaer and until that happens, it " shouldn't " dissapaer! It is my 'Watch Dog'! It is 'Always Awake'! And, it does a Great Job! Thanks God for It! Thanks God for the Stress... the Great unselfish Reminder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Got Work? > > www.theWork.com > ------------------- > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > think he is not comfortable with me. He > is holding something against me that he > has not told me about. He is holding > something that he is not comfortable > about. Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was just reading about Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and was hated by others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints and missionaries. If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have of receiving 100% love and acceptence? Why think so much about this and try to mindread and surmise? It's all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if you have done anything to offend them. Dear Abby is now signing off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming wrote: > > GuruRatings , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Got Work? > > > > www.TheWork.com > > > > ------------------ > [...] > > > It is good for me to sometimes get > > worried, concerned about it. > > > > Yes. It keeps giving me 'reminders'. > > It asks me to " evaluate " my options and > > my preparedness and, it reminds me of > > the need to stay prepared and work on > > any possible remedial. > > > > Without that I will have no... Check > > Points. > > > > It truly works like a Very Important > > and Useful Alarm Clock for me. I thank > > God for this stress without this, > > preparation for any disaster that I > > " want to " avoid will be very difficult. > > > > Thank you for this Stress, God! > > > > Please giving me this stress until > > I " no longer " need them! Thank you > > for doing that, God! You take such > > good care of me when I am too " unconsious " > > to be doing what myself told you that > > I want to be doing! > > > > > How can I do the same thing without > " needing " stress to " help me " ? > > It will require me to be Very Aware. > > I can regularly check, evaluate and > prepare for what I " consciously " want > to be doing without needing stress to > 'remind' me of doing that. When I do > that, stress stops occurring. > > I need 'reminder' only for that on > which I am not " consciously " working > and I " want to " . > > When my " want to " > changes, related stress disappears. > When I am already working on that which > I " want to " ; then too, that stress > disappears! > > > > My stress occurs when I do something > without completely understanding and > without clearly telling myself that > 'what I am doing right now' is exactly > 'what I want to be doing Right Now'! > > Whenever, there is any doubt that > what I am doing right now may not > be exactly what I want to be doing > Right Now... Stress " does " and " should " > occur! > > It tells me that I either > > - Change 'what I am doing Right Now'. > > Or, > > - I change my thought about 'what I > want to be doing Right Now'. > > When I do that and bring both in complete > sync the " need " for 'stress' dissapaers > - and so does the stress! > > Until that happens, it " doesn't " dissapaer > and until that happens, it " shouldn't " dissapaer! > > It is my 'Watch Dog'! > > It is 'Always Awake'! > > And, it does a Great Job! > > Thanks God for It! > > Thanks God for the Stress... the Great unselfish Reminder! > The 'self' thinks that it is able to diagnose its imagined problems and can improve its imaginary condition by taking certain actions that are invented to alleviate the accumulated stress. It will continue this action until the whole dynamic is seen through. Its bromides are numerous.......and specifically designed to camophlage the real culprit. It's a tricky little monkey. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > GuruRatings , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > www.TheWork.com > > > > > > ------------------ > > [...] > > > > > It is good for me to sometimes get > > > worried, concerned about it. > > > > > > Yes. It keeps giving me 'reminders'. > > > It asks me to " evaluate " my options and > > > my preparedness and, it reminds me of > > > the need to stay prepared and work on > > > any possible remedial. > > > > > > Without that I will have no... Check > > > Points. > > > > > > It truly works like a Very Important > > > and Useful Alarm Clock for me. I thank > > > God for this stress without this, > > > preparation for any disaster that I > > > " want to " avoid will be very difficult. > > > > > > Thank you for this Stress, God! > > > > > > Please giving me this stress until > > > I " no longer " need them! Thank you > > > for doing that, God! You take such > > > good care of me when I am too " unconsious " > > > to be doing what myself told you that > > > I want to be doing! > > > > > > > > > How can I do the same thing without > > " needing " stress to " help me " ? > > > > It will require me to be Very Aware. > > > > I can regularly check, evaluate and > > prepare for what I " consciously " want > > to be doing without needing stress to > > 'remind' me of doing that. When I do > > that, stress stops occurring. > > > > I need 'reminder' only for that on > > which I am not " consciously " working > > and I " want to " . > > > > When my " want to " > > changes, related stress disappears. > > When I am already working on that which > > I " want to " ; then too, that stress > > disappears! > > > > > > > > My stress occurs when I do something > > without completely understanding and > > without clearly telling myself that > > 'what I am doing right now' is exactly > > 'what I want to be doing Right Now'! > > > > Whenever, there is any doubt that > > what I am doing right now may not > > be exactly what I want to be doing > > Right Now... Stress " does " and " should " > > occur! > > > > It tells me that I either > > > > - Change 'what I am doing Right Now'. > > > > Or, > > > > - I change my thought about 'what I > > want to be doing Right Now'. > > > > When I do that and bring both in complete > > sync the " need " for 'stress' dissapaers > > - and so does the stress! > > > > Until that happens, it " doesn't " dissapaer > > and until that happens, it " shouldn't " dissapaer! > > > > It is my 'Watch Dog'! > > > > It is 'Always Awake'! > > > > And, it does a Great Job! > > > > Thanks God for It! > > > > Thanks God for the Stress... the Great unselfish Reminder! > > > The 'self' thinks that it is able to diagnose its imagined problems > and can improve its imaginary condition by taking certain actions that > are invented to alleviate the accumulated stress. > > > It will continue this action until the whole dynamic is seen through. > > Its bromides are numerous.......and specifically designed to > camophlage the real culprit. > > > It's a tricky little monkey. toombaru > 'It' is nothing other then the bag of tricks used to cement the illusory structure together. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 The 'self' thinks that it is able to diagnose its imagined problems > and can improve its imaginary condition by taking certain actions that > are invented to alleviate the accumulated stress. ------------- I need help here. I am not able to understand. I am going on my experience. My self recognized a medical diagnosis, drove myself to the hospital to get confirmation and then had surgery. My self recognized a problem with depression and my self sought for and found a solution. All this felt real to me. How does this fit with your statement. I am sure I am just not getting 'it' and I welcome your assistance. Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > The 'self' thinks that it is able to diagnose its imagined problems > > > and can improve its imaginary condition by taking certain actions that > > > are invented to alleviate the accumulated stress. > > ------------- > > > > I need help here. I am not able to understand. > > I am going on my experience. My self recognized a medical > diagnosis, drove myself to the hospital to get confirmation and then > had surgery. My self recognized a problem with depression and my self > sought for and found a solution. All this felt real to me. > > > > How does this fit with your statement. I am sure I am just not > getting 'it' and I welcome your assistance. > > > > Judy > > > > > Judy, What you have articulated so beautifully is the basic conundrum in which all searchers find themselves entrapped. " If I'm not really here.......who is having this problem? " The catch is that the self views reality from within a world composed solely of it own memories. The 'self' is nothing other then the conceptual overlay from which it seeks release. It cannot get out of the box that appears to confine it.......simply because it IS the box. The questions that you ask are as close as the self can get to the 'problem' with the conceptual mind.......in that the 'problem' and the solution exist only within the conceptual realm. The 'self' is a conceptual entity seeking a conceptual solution to a conceptual problem. We are not speaking here of the " natural, non-conceptual entity but the imaginary conceptual entity called 'me'. There is a natural inclination for all organisms to seek their own survival......If illness is experienced, and if avenues for its alleviation are available......they are or can be sought. The psychological or imaginary entity also seeks its personal survival. The confusion......quiet despiration...comes when the mind in man blends the conceptual world and the natrual world. This is what 'leaving the garden' refers to....this is the confusion of imaginary separation. The mind attempts to heal a separation that exists only within itself. It can never see this directly and continues to flounder in its nightmarish hall of mirrors until its alotted time is up.....or in a few rare cases......collapses from its own weight......and the naturalness of the sage comes into being. The " I " cannot find this natural-world because it is itself the only obstruction that obscures it. 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of self. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > <richarkar wrote: > > Nisargadatta , > " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Got Work? > > > > www.theWork.com > > ------------------- > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > is holding something against me that he > > has not told me about. He is holding > > something that he is not comfortable > > about. > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > just reading about > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > was hated by > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > and > missionaries. > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > of receiving > 100% love and acceptence? > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > surmise? It's > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > you have done > anything to offend them. > > Dear Abby is now signing off. /////// Dear Abby Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining the other's acceptance or anything else really. Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you would like evidence of why doing this work might be a good thing just observe the behavior of some of the people who claim to be enlightened and realized teachers. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > The 'self' thinks that it is able to diagnose its imagined problems > > > > and can improve its imaginary condition by taking certain > actions that > > > > are invented to alleviate the accumulated stress. > > > ------------- > > > > > > I need help here. I am not able to understand. > > > I am going on my experience. My self recognized a medical > > diagnosis, drove myself to the hospital to get confirmation and then > > had surgery. My self recognized a problem with depression and my self > > sought for and found a solution. All this felt real to me. > > > > > > How does this fit with your statement. I am sure I am just not > > getting 'it' and I welcome your assistance. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > Judy, > > > What you have articulated so beautifully is the basic conundrum in > which all searchers find themselves entrapped. > > " If I'm not really here.......who is having this problem? " > > The catch is that the self views reality from within a world composed > solely of it own memories. > > The 'self' is nothing other then the conceptual overlay from which it > seeks release. > > It cannot get out of the box that appears to confine it.......simply > because it IS the box. > > > The questions that you ask are as close as the self can get to the > 'problem' with the conceptual mind.......in that the 'problem' and the > solution exist only within the conceptual realm. > > The 'self' is a conceptual entity seeking a conceptual solution to a > conceptual problem. > > We are not speaking here of the " natural, non-conceptual entity but > the imaginary conceptual entity called 'me'. > > There is a natural inclination for all organisms to seek their own > survival......If illness is experienced, and if avenues for its > alleviation are available......they are or can be sought. > > The psychological or imaginary entity also seeks its personal survival. > > The confusion......quiet despiration...comes when the mind in man > blends the conceptual world and the natrual world. > > This is what 'leaving the garden' refers to....this is the confusion > of imaginary separation. > > The mind attempts to heal a separation that exists only within itself. > > It can never see this directly and continues to flounder in its > nightmarish hall of mirrors until its alotted time is up.....or in a > few rare cases......collapses from its own weight......and the > naturalness of the sage comes into being. > > The " I " cannot find this natural-world because it is itself the only > obstruction that obscures it. > > 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of self. > > > toombaru > T: " 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of self. " A: The personal sense of self is thus reborn as the natural state of Being One without a second. Or there is no-thing else but this original One-ness AND the experience of duality. The only game in town when all the other games have been seen through. The apple falls. The tree does not miss the apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of self. > > > toombaru > T: " 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of self. " A: The personal sense of self is thus reborn as the natural state of Being One without a second. Or there is no-thing else but this original One-ness AND the experience of duality. The only game in town when all the other games have been seen through. The apple falls. The tree does not miss the apple ---------- Many thanks for your help. I now realize I was focused on the self that I know and not the Consciousnes discussed here which I seek to know. Patience is much appreciated and valued by this self that I know. Judy in Delusion of Duality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The 'self' thinks that it is able to diagnose its imagined > problems > > > > > and can improve its imaginary condition by taking certain > > actions that > > > > > are invented to alleviate the accumulated stress. > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > I need help here. I am not able to understand. > > > > I am going on my experience. My self recognized a medical > > > diagnosis, drove myself to the hospital to get confirmation and > then > > > had surgery. My self recognized a problem with depression and > my self > > > sought for and found a solution. All this felt real to me. > > > > > > > > How does this fit with your statement. I am sure I am just not > > > getting 'it' and I welcome your assistance. > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > What you have articulated so beautifully is the basic conundrum in > > which all searchers find themselves entrapped. > > > > " If I'm not really here.......who is having this problem? " > > > > The catch is that the self views reality from within a world > composed > > solely of it own memories. > > > > The 'self' is nothing other then the conceptual overlay from which > it > > seeks release. > > > > It cannot get out of the box that appears to confine > it.......simply > > because it IS the box. > > > > > > The questions that you ask are as close as the self can get to the > > 'problem' with the conceptual mind.......in that the 'problem' and > the > > solution exist only within the conceptual realm. > > > > The 'self' is a conceptual entity seeking a conceptual solution to > a > > conceptual problem. > > > > We are not speaking here of the " natural, non-conceptual entity but > > the imaginary conceptual entity called 'me'. > > > > There is a natural inclination for all organisms to seek their own > > survival......If illness is experienced, and if avenues for its > > alleviation are available......they are or can be sought. > > > > The psychological or imaginary entity also seeks its personal > survival. > > > > The confusion......quiet despiration...comes when the mind in man > > blends the conceptual world and the natrual world. > > > > This is what 'leaving the garden' refers to....this is the > confusion > > of imaginary separation. > > > > The mind attempts to heal a separation that exists only within > itself. > > > > It can never see this directly and continues to flounder in its > > nightmarish hall of mirrors until its alotted time is up.....or in > a > > few rare cases......collapses from its own weight......and the > > naturalness of the sage comes into being. > > > > The " I " cannot find this natural-world because it is itself the > only > > obstruction that obscures it. > > > > 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of self. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > T: " 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of > self. " > > A: The personal sense of self is thus reborn as the natural state of > Being One without a second. Or there is no-thing else but this > original One-ness AND the experience of duality. The only game in > town when all the other games have been seen through. > > The apple falls. The tree does not miss the apple. > ..........the apple circles back........ into the soft browness of its origin....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > > <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , > > " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > www.theWork.com > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > > is holding something against me that he > > > has not told me about. He is holding > > > something that he is not comfortable > > > about. > > > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > > just reading about > > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > > was hated by > > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > > and > > missionaries. > > > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > > of receiving > > 100% love and acceptence? > > > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > > surmise? It's > > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > > you have done > > anything to offend them. > > > > Dear Abby is now signing off. > > /////// > > Dear Abby > > Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining > the other's acceptance or anything else really. > > Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary > to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you > would like evidence of why doing this work might be a > good thing just observe the behavior of some of the > people who claim to be enlightened and realized > teachers. > > Noel > It is consciousness itself.......pretending to be people pretending to be enlightened. Ain't that a kick in the ass? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > > > <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > > > www.theWork.com > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > > > is holding something against me that he > > > > has not told me about. He is holding > > > > something that he is not comfortable > > > > about. > > > > > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > > > just reading about > > > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > > > was hated by > > > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > > > and > > > missionaries. > > > > > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > > > of receiving > > > 100% love and acceptence? > > > > > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > > > surmise? It's > > > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > > > you have done > > > anything to offend them. > > > > > > Dear Abby is now signing off. > > > > /////// > > > > Dear Abby > > > > Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining > > the other's acceptance or anything else really. > > > > Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary > > to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you > > would like evidence of why doing this work might be a > > good thing just observe the behavior of some of the > > people who claim to be enlightened and realized > > teachers. > > > > Noel > > > > > It is consciousness itself.......pretending to be people pretending to > be enlightened. ........and pretending to be people who are able to tell which ones are pretending.......... > > > Ain't that a kick in the ass? > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > > > > <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > " adithya_comming " > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > > > > > www.theWork.com > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > > > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > > > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > > > > is holding something against me that he > > > > > has not told me about. He is holding > > > > > something that he is not comfortable > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > > > > just reading about > > > > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > > > > was hated by > > > > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > > > > and > > > > missionaries. > > > > > > > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > > > > of receiving > > > > 100% love and acceptence? > > > > > > > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > > > > surmise? It's > > > > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > > > > you have done > > > > anything to offend them. > > > > > > > > Dear Abby is now signing off. > > > > > > /////// > > > > > > Dear Abby > > > > > > Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining > > > the other's acceptance or anything else really. > > > > > > Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary > > > to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you > > > would like evidence of why doing this work might be a > > > good thing just observe the behavior of some of the > > > people who claim to be enlightened and realized > > > teachers. > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > It is consciousness itself.......pretending to be people pretending to > > be enlightened. > > > > > .......and pretending to be people who are able to tell which ones are > pretending.......... > Well, toombaru, I do not know about 'consciousness' but pretense yes. I do not agree that one has to pretend to be able to tell which ones are pretending. Pretense is so obvious and at times quite pathetic in the view of someone not seeking to be led. Noel > > > > > > > > Ain't that a kick in the ass? > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " judy " <judyw1941@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The 'self' thinks that it is able to diagnose its imagined > > problems > > > > > > and can improve its imaginary condition by taking certain > > > actions that > > > > > > are invented to alleviate the accumulated stress. > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > > I need help here. I am not able to understand. > > > > > I am going on my experience. My self recognized a medical > > > > diagnosis, drove myself to the hospital to get confirmation and > > then > > > > had surgery. My self recognized a problem with depression and > > my self > > > > sought for and found a solution. All this felt real to me. > > > > > > > > > > How does this fit with your statement. I am sure I am just not > > > > getting 'it' and I welcome your assistance. > > > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > > > > What you have articulated so beautifully is the basic conundrum in > > > which all searchers find themselves entrapped. > > > > > > " If I'm not really here.......who is having this problem? " > > > > > > The catch is that the self views reality from within a world > > composed > > > solely of it own memories. > > > > > > The 'self' is nothing other then the conceptual overlay from which > > it > > > seeks release. > > > > > > It cannot get out of the box that appears to confine > > it.......simply > > > because it IS the box. > > > > > > > > > The questions that you ask are as close as the self can get to the > > > 'problem' with the conceptual mind.......in that the 'problem' and > > the > > > solution exist only within the conceptual realm. > > > > > > The 'self' is a conceptual entity seeking a conceptual solution to > > a > > > conceptual problem. > > > > > > We are not speaking here of the " natural, non-conceptual entity but > > > the imaginary conceptual entity called 'me'. > > > > > > There is a natural inclination for all organisms to seek their own > > > survival......If illness is experienced, and if avenues for its > > > alleviation are available......they are or can be sought. > > > > > > The psychological or imaginary entity also seeks its personal > > survival. > > > > > > The confusion......quiet despiration...comes when the mind in man > > > blends the conceptual world and the natrual world. > > > > > > This is what 'leaving the garden' refers to....this is the > > confusion > > > of imaginary separation. > > > > > > The mind attempts to heal a separation that exists only within > > itself. > > > > > > It can never see this directly and continues to flounder in its > > > nightmarish hall of mirrors until its alotted time is up.....or in > > a > > > few rare cases......collapses from its own weight......and the > > > naturalness of the sage comes into being. > > > > > > The " I " cannot find this natural-world because it is itself the > > only > > > obstruction that obscures it. > > > > > > 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of self. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > T: " 'Enlightenment' is the annihilation of the personal sense of > > self. " > > > > A: The personal sense of self is thus reborn as the natural state of > > Being One without a second. Or there is no-thing else but this > > original One-ness AND the experience of duality. The only game in > > town when all the other games have been seen through. > > > > The apple falls. The tree does not miss the apple. > > > > > > .........the apple circles back........ into the soft browness of its > origin....... > again a three year old, in your lap...I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > > > > > <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > " adithya_comming " > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > > > > > > > www.theWork.com > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > > > > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > > > > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > > > > > is holding something against me that he > > > > > > has not told me about. He is holding > > > > > > something that he is not comfortable > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > > > > > just reading about > > > > > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > > > > > was hated by > > > > > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > > > > > and > > > > > missionaries. > > > > > > > > > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > > > > > of receiving > > > > > 100% love and acceptence? > > > > > > > > > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > > > > > surmise? It's > > > > > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > > > > > you have done > > > > > anything to offend them. > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abby is now signing off. > > > > > > > > /////// > > > > > > > > Dear Abby > > > > > > > > Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining > > > > the other's acceptance or anything else really. > > > > > > > > Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary > > > > to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you > > > > would like evidence of why doing this work might be a > > > > good thing just observe the behavior of some of the > > > > people who claim to be enlightened and realized > > > > teachers. > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is consciousness itself.......pretending to be people > pretending to > > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > .......and pretending to be people who are able to tell which ones > are > > pretending.......... > > > > > > Well, toombaru, I do not know about 'consciousness' but pretense > yes. I do not agree that one has to pretend to be able to tell > which ones are pretending. Pretense is so obvious and at times > quite pathetic in the view of someone not seeking to be led. > > Noel > > > > When your belief system makes you happy........you should keep it.............if you can. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Have you ever had the experience of feeling cocksure without any doubts whatsoever, absolutely certain there was no way that you could be mistaken about only to realize later that in that " arrogance of knowing " you failed to consider something and once it was realized, that thing you were completely convinced was 'true " was completely false? Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > Have you ever had the experience of feeling cocksure without any doubts whatsoever, absolutely certain there was no way that you could be mistaken about only to realize later that in that " arrogance of knowing " you failed to consider something and once it was realized, that thing you were completely convinced was 'true " was completely false? > > Michael > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > Have you ever had the experience of feeling cocksure without any > doubts whatsoever, absolutely certain there was no way that you could > be mistaken about only to realize later that in that " arrogance of > knowing " you failed to consider something and once it was realized, > that thing you were completely convinced was 'true " was completely false? > > > > Michael > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > > > > > > <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " adithya_comming " > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.theWork.com > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > > > > > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > > > > > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > > > > > > is holding something against me that he > > > > > > > has not told me about. He is holding > > > > > > > something that he is not comfortable > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > > > > > > just reading about > > > > > > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > > > > > > was hated by > > > > > > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > > > > > > and > > > > > > missionaries. > > > > > > > > > > > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > > > > > > of receiving > > > > > > 100% love and acceptence? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > > > > > > surmise? It's > > > > > > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > > > > > > you have done > > > > > > anything to offend them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abby is now signing off. > > > > > > > > > > /////// > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abby > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining > > > > > the other's acceptance or anything else really. > > > > > > > > > > Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary > > > > > to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you > > > > > would like evidence of why doing this work might be a > > > > > good thing just observe the behavior of some of the > > > > > people who claim to be enlightened and realized > > > > > teachers. > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is consciousness itself.......pretending to be people > > pretending to > > > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......and pretending to be people who are able to tell which ones > > are > > > pretending.......... > > > > > > > > > > > Well, toombaru, I do not know about 'consciousness' but pretense > > yes. I do not agree that one has to pretend to be able to tell > > which ones are pretending. Pretense is so obvious and at times > > quite pathetic in the view of someone not seeking to be led. > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > When your belief system makes you happy........you should keep > it.............if you can. > > > > toombaru > Is it working so well for you that you are now recommending it to others? Looks like a merry-go-round to me. Never liked merry-go-rounds, they did not make me merry only dizzy. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > > > > > > > <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > > " adithya_comming " > > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.theWork.com > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > > > > > > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > > > > > > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > > > > > > > is holding something against me that he > > > > > > > > has not told me about. He is holding > > > > > > > > something that he is not comfortable > > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > > > > > > > just reading about > > > > > > > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > > > > > > > was hated by > > > > > > > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > missionaries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > > > > > > > of receiving > > > > > > > 100% love and acceptence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > > > > > > > surmise? It's > > > > > > > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > > > > > > > you have done > > > > > > > anything to offend them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abby is now signing off. > > > > > > > > > > > > /////// > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abby > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining > > > > > > the other's acceptance or anything else really. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary > > > > > > to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you > > > > > > would like evidence of why doing this work might be a > > > > > > good thing just observe the behavior of some of the > > > > > > people who claim to be enlightened and realized > > > > > > teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is consciousness itself.......pretending to be people > > > pretending to > > > > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......and pretending to be people who are able to tell which > ones > > > are > > > > pretending.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, toombaru, I do not know about 'consciousness' but pretense > > > yes. I do not agree that one has to pretend to be able to tell > > > which ones are pretending. Pretense is so obvious and at times > > > quite pathetic in the view of someone not seeking to be led. > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your belief system makes you happy........you should keep > > it.............if you can. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Is it working so well for you that you are now recommending it to > others? > > Looks like a merry-go-round to me. Never liked merry-go-rounds, > they did not make me merry only dizzy. > > > > Noel > Why are you even reading what comes through me. Perhaps you should stop........if you can. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 < And have you ever considered that the one in which these mental < gymanstics appear to be happening......isn't even there? < toombaru Yep! Both there (here) and not there (here) at the same time. Yet at the same moment, neither here nor there, and neither not here nor not there. Slippery (non)thing it is when attempts to grasp it are occurring. However, when the grasping dissolves, lo and behold, " it " shows up and there's no-thing there/here. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " noel_beau " <noel_beau@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Noel <noel_beau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Richard " > > > > > > > > <richarkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > > > " adithya_comming " > > > > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got Work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.theWork.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a guy in my office. He turns > > > > > > > > > stiff when I see him. Based on that, I > > > > > > > > > think he is not comfortable with me. He > > > > > > > > > is holding something against me that he > > > > > > > > > has not told me about. He is holding > > > > > > > > > something that he is not comfortable > > > > > > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus was perfect man, yet many hated him. I was > > > > > > > > just reading about > > > > > > > > Ibn 'Arabi, who was considered a saint by some and > > > > > > > > was hated by > > > > > > > > others. Not to mention the martyred Christian saints > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > missionaries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not everyone loves them, what chance do we have > > > > > > > > of receiving > > > > > > > > 100% love and acceptence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why think so much about this and try to mindread and > > > > > > > > surmise? It's > > > > > > > > all ego-driven. If you must know, ask the person if > > > > > > > > you have done > > > > > > > > anything to offend them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abby is now signing off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /////// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps *this* work is not about the other or gaining > > > > > > > the other's acceptance or anything else really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people (not necessarily AC) think it is necessary > > > > > > > to be fully aware of the self's machinations. If you > > > > > > > would like evidence of why doing this work might be a > > > > > > > good thing just observe the behavior of some of the > > > > > > > people who claim to be enlightened and realized > > > > > > > teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is consciousness itself.......pretending to be people > > > > pretending to > > > > > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......and pretending to be people who are able to tell which > > ones > > > > are > > > > > pretending.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, toombaru, I do not know about 'consciousness' but pretense > > > > yes. I do not agree that one has to pretend to be able to tell > > > > which ones are pretending. Pretense is so obvious and at times > > > > quite pathetic in the view of someone not seeking to be led. > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When your belief system makes you happy........you should keep > > > it.............if you can. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Is it working so well for you that you are now recommending it to > > others? > > > > Looks like a merry-go-round to me. Never liked merry-go-rounds, > > they did not make me merry only dizzy. > > > > > > > > Noel > > > > > > Why are you even reading what comes through me. > > Perhaps you should stop........if you can. > > > > toombaru > to get to the other side????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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