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In the beginning the infant knows no separation between

him/herSelf and her 'surroundings'.

 

S/he knows discomfort and knows crying: a simple communication

that there is need from/for the caregiver in its purist form:

alleviation of " pain " via nourishment and comfort in the initial and

immediate needs of hunger, thirst, temperature, and diaper changes.

 

As the infant becomes aware of a gradual shift that there is a

duality and defines self as the primal need and the other (usually

the first caregiver) as who dispenses these needs, the infant learns

what works to get his/her needs met. Most often this is the stage

when trust is gained or not. Or variations thereof.

 

In the growth of the infant, much is learned in his/her contact with

the powers that be: causes, actions, reactions are noted, remembered

and stored as memory. This is the subtle beginnings of defining

oneself by what seems to work and what doesn't. This is the stage

where all the world fills itself in the mind and heart of the child,

causing conflict in all the discrepancies that society, parents,

religions and the daily interactions of life leave imprinted. From

this the " I Am " is ingrained either in a fluidity or a static rock-

hard identity. Or variations thereof.

 

At some point when the I am seems to be overwhelmed by conflict with

itself as a direct mirroring of the world at large, the I am starts

its seeking outside of it's narrowly encapsulated embodiment.

 

Here we are.

 

We either return to our priordial beginnings, having traversed all

dualities or we are 'stuck' in the mire and muck of our " I AM "

identity, still unresolved in the absolute integrity

of I am the awareness of consciousness being coonsciously aware.

 

All the rest is/are the textures of our being. We make do with what

we are with what we know.

 

We have always and ever started from exactly where we are..AND add

knowledge that we later try to remove, add a little experience that

we later try to diavow, add a few feelings based on knowledge and

experience that later we won't admit we own, and thus the downward

spiral that keeps us mired in confusion.

 

And still somehow find, are given the grace because we choose to

love, to step outside and see the sun behind the dark clouds, making

way for more sun, we feel that cosmic ocean surging inside and we

have once again reached the shoreline that is home, knowing it again

for the first time.

 

Metta, Love and Peace,

 

Anna

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Bill,

 

I did some notes earlier just to compare:

 

1. To find out who I am, I must come out of what I am not. Those

things that are changing or transient can not be part of the real me.

The real/true Self must be always true and never change.

 

2. You can't be what you see. i.e. You are prior to what you see.

 

3. Names and forms make up this manifest. The " I " thought or concept

is prior to this manifest that appears after this " I " thought. Again,

the knowing-ness of being alive or feeling of presence i.e. the

Consciousness is prior to the " I " thought. At last, the true Self is

prior to this knowing-ness of being alive because it witnesses this

Consciouness.

 

4. Just like a dream, uncalled for but it appears spontaneously

without a reason, the knowing-ness of being alive appears

spontaneously as a phenomenon which it appears and disappears.

 

5. There is not supposed to be any problem only when the false

identification occurs that the Consciousness somehow involves itself

with the " I " thought and accordingly starts believing it has a body,

mind or something else in the manifest. This causes the trouble and

suffering.

 

Now, reading " Seeds of Consciousness " , Page 194 - 195, there is the

following conversation:

 

January 21, 1980

 

Maharaj: This consciousness is all-pervading when the touch of " I

Amness " is not present. All this manifestation is for you, because you

are. Since it had no support to say " I am this or that, " it caught hold

of the body and said " I am a male or a famale. "

 

Questioner: So the only thing you have to do is to see that you are not

any of this?

M: To what extent are you going to say I am not this or that?

 

Q: Once one has seen it one does not have to repeat it?

M: Once you understand that you are not the body then are you not

everything? ......

 

My questions is what you think of " Once you understand that you are not

the body then are you not everything? " Why?

 

Cheers,

 

Phil

Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us wrote:

>

> Eventually, the `I' drops from the `I am', and

`am'

> stands alone.

> `Am' is the nectar, the unqualified awareness. Only

> That, the un-manifested, the unknowable is above.

> Consciousness is qualified awareness, the sense of I

> am. This is the three in one, the Advaita

> trinity, as it unfolds in manifestation.

>

> Below the trinity flows the stream of thought, which

> creates the persona. As long as the stream of thought

> remains unbroken, the person will be seem as real.

>

> Although, consciousness can't remain fixated in the Am

> state, the stream of thoughts once broken will never

> be constant again. The Am state luminosity will be

> there like sunlight on a partly cloudy day.

>

> I know this bit of conceptuality won't be aggreable

> to some. And that you'll chew holes in it. Go ahead

> it's offered for your chewing pleasure. :))

>

> Pete

>

>

>

>

> Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More

> http://faith.

>

 

 

 

 

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In my poetic license,

 

this thin thin slice of life, this skin I'm in,

with tissue bone and marrow,

is what separates the " You " from " I " .

 

These experiences of history I have designed and designated

as 'mine': birth, parentage, background

as a girl-child, now 60 years young (along with Cher, the Donald,

Sally Field ,etc.'-) woman wife and mother, as a displaced person

living in America, now in the land of O Hi O, being of certain

economic and educational, observational, 'spiritual' inclinations

and variations on the theme of myself, obliged to continue in

my ever-present act of desire as long as the soul and body are

willing, so to speak;-)

 

We all know who we are not. We are not the 'other', though we are

One in the experience called Life.

 

The same breath breathes us. The same tears flow, the same sorrows

break our heart and the same desire for life calls us to awaken

again in our body-suit, until and unless the chord is broken, the

song is over, and the long journey of the day into night is over,

and we are once again dust in the wind. A memory in the heart and

mind of " other " .

 

Is there any reason that any one is here? Is there any reason

except why not?

 

It is. I am. You are.

 

Sat Chit Ananda.

 

 

Metta,

Anna

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " pwang3_yh " <pwang3 wrote:

>

> Bill,

>

> I did some notes earlier just to compare:

>

> 1. To find out who I am, I must come out of what I am not. Those

> things that are changing or transient can not be part of the real

me.

> The real/true Self must be always true and never change.

>

> 2. You can't be what you see. i.e. You are prior to what you see.

>

> 3. Names and forms make up this manifest. The " I " thought or

concept

> is prior to this manifest that appears after this " I " thought.

Again,

> the knowing-ness of being alive or feeling of presence i.e. the

> Consciousness is prior to the " I " thought. At last, the true Self

is

> prior to this knowing-ness of being alive because it witnesses this

> Consciouness.

>

> 4. Just like a dream, uncalled for but it appears spontaneously

> without a reason, the knowing-ness of being alive appears

> spontaneously as a phenomenon which it appears and disappears.

>

> 5. There is not supposed to be any problem only when the false

> identification occurs that the Consciousness somehow involves

itself

> with the " I " thought and accordingly starts believing it has a

body,

> mind or something else in the manifest. This causes the trouble and

> suffering.

>

> Now, reading " Seeds of Consciousness " , Page 194 - 195, there is

the

> following conversation:

>

> January 21, 1980

>

> Maharaj: This consciousness is all-pervading when the touch of " I

> Amness " is not present. All this manifestation is for you, because

you

> are. Since it had no support to say " I am this or that, " it caught

hold

> of the body and said " I am a male or a famale. "

>

> Questioner: So the only thing you have to do is to see that you

are not

> any of this?

> M: To what extent are you going to say I am not this or that?

>

> Q: Once one has seen it one does not have to repeat it?

> M: Once you understand that you are not the body then are you not

> everything? ......

>

> My questions is what you think of " Once you understand that you

are not

> the body then are you not everything? " Why?

>

> Cheers,

>

> Phil

> Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us@>

wrote:

> >

> > Eventually, the `I' drops from the `I am', and

> `am'

> > stands alone.

> > `Am' is the nectar, the unqualified awareness. Only

> > That, the un-manifested, the unknowable is above.

> > Consciousness is qualified awareness, the sense of I

> > am. This is the three in one, the Advaita

> > trinity, as it unfolds in manifestation.

> >

> > Below the trinity flows the stream of thought, which

> > creates the persona. As long as the stream of thought

> > remains unbroken, the person will be seem as real.

> >

> > Although, consciousness can't remain fixated in the Am

> > state, the stream of thoughts once broken will never

> > be constant again. The Am state luminosity will be

> > there like sunlight on a partly cloudy day.

> >

> > I know this bit of conceptuality won't be aggreable

> > to some. And that you'll chew holes in it. Go ahead

> > it's offered for your chewing pleasure. :))

> >

> > Pete

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More

> > http://faith.

> >

>

>

>

>

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