Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 In the beginning the infant knows no separation between him/herSelf and her 'surroundings'. S/he knows discomfort and knows crying: a simple communication that there is need from/for the caregiver in its purist form: alleviation of " pain " via nourishment and comfort in the initial and immediate needs of hunger, thirst, temperature, and diaper changes. As the infant becomes aware of a gradual shift that there is a duality and defines self as the primal need and the other (usually the first caregiver) as who dispenses these needs, the infant learns what works to get his/her needs met. Most often this is the stage when trust is gained or not. Or variations thereof. In the growth of the infant, much is learned in his/her contact with the powers that be: causes, actions, reactions are noted, remembered and stored as memory. This is the subtle beginnings of defining oneself by what seems to work and what doesn't. This is the stage where all the world fills itself in the mind and heart of the child, causing conflict in all the discrepancies that society, parents, religions and the daily interactions of life leave imprinted. From this the " I Am " is ingrained either in a fluidity or a static rock- hard identity. Or variations thereof. At some point when the I am seems to be overwhelmed by conflict with itself as a direct mirroring of the world at large, the I am starts its seeking outside of it's narrowly encapsulated embodiment. Here we are. We either return to our priordial beginnings, having traversed all dualities or we are 'stuck' in the mire and muck of our " I AM " identity, still unresolved in the absolute integrity of I am the awareness of consciousness being coonsciously aware. All the rest is/are the textures of our being. We make do with what we are with what we know. We have always and ever started from exactly where we are..AND add knowledge that we later try to remove, add a little experience that we later try to diavow, add a few feelings based on knowledge and experience that later we won't admit we own, and thus the downward spiral that keeps us mired in confusion. And still somehow find, are given the grace because we choose to love, to step outside and see the sun behind the dark clouds, making way for more sun, we feel that cosmic ocean surging inside and we have once again reached the shoreline that is home, knowing it again for the first time. Metta, Love and Peace, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Bill, I did some notes earlier just to compare: 1. To find out who I am, I must come out of what I am not. Those things that are changing or transient can not be part of the real me. The real/true Self must be always true and never change. 2. You can't be what you see. i.e. You are prior to what you see. 3. Names and forms make up this manifest. The " I " thought or concept is prior to this manifest that appears after this " I " thought. Again, the knowing-ness of being alive or feeling of presence i.e. the Consciousness is prior to the " I " thought. At last, the true Self is prior to this knowing-ness of being alive because it witnesses this Consciouness. 4. Just like a dream, uncalled for but it appears spontaneously without a reason, the knowing-ness of being alive appears spontaneously as a phenomenon which it appears and disappears. 5. There is not supposed to be any problem only when the false identification occurs that the Consciousness somehow involves itself with the " I " thought and accordingly starts believing it has a body, mind or something else in the manifest. This causes the trouble and suffering. Now, reading " Seeds of Consciousness " , Page 194 - 195, there is the following conversation: January 21, 1980 Maharaj: This consciousness is all-pervading when the touch of " I Amness " is not present. All this manifestation is for you, because you are. Since it had no support to say " I am this or that, " it caught hold of the body and said " I am a male or a famale. " Questioner: So the only thing you have to do is to see that you are not any of this? M: To what extent are you going to say I am not this or that? Q: Once one has seen it one does not have to repeat it? M: Once you understand that you are not the body then are you not everything? ...... My questions is what you think of " Once you understand that you are not the body then are you not everything? " Why? Cheers, Phil Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us wrote: > > Eventually, the `I' drops from the `I am', and `am' > stands alone. > `Am' is the nectar, the unqualified awareness. Only > That, the un-manifested, the unknowable is above. > Consciousness is qualified awareness, the sense of I > am. This is the three in one, the Advaita > trinity, as it unfolds in manifestation. > > Below the trinity flows the stream of thought, which > creates the persona. As long as the stream of thought > remains unbroken, the person will be seem as real. > > Although, consciousness can't remain fixated in the Am > state, the stream of thoughts once broken will never > be constant again. The Am state luminosity will be > there like sunlight on a partly cloudy day. > > I know this bit of conceptuality won't be aggreable > to some. And that you'll chew holes in it. Go ahead > it's offered for your chewing pleasure. ) > > Pete > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 In my poetic license, this thin thin slice of life, this skin I'm in, with tissue bone and marrow, is what separates the " You " from " I " . These experiences of history I have designed and designated as 'mine': birth, parentage, background as a girl-child, now 60 years young (along with Cher, the Donald, Sally Field ,etc.'-) woman wife and mother, as a displaced person living in America, now in the land of O Hi O, being of certain economic and educational, observational, 'spiritual' inclinations and variations on the theme of myself, obliged to continue in my ever-present act of desire as long as the soul and body are willing, so to speak;-) We all know who we are not. We are not the 'other', though we are One in the experience called Life. The same breath breathes us. The same tears flow, the same sorrows break our heart and the same desire for life calls us to awaken again in our body-suit, until and unless the chord is broken, the song is over, and the long journey of the day into night is over, and we are once again dust in the wind. A memory in the heart and mind of " other " . Is there any reason that any one is here? Is there any reason except why not? It is. I am. You are. Sat Chit Ananda. Metta, Anna Nisargadatta , " pwang3_yh " <pwang3 wrote: > > Bill, > > I did some notes earlier just to compare: > > 1. To find out who I am, I must come out of what I am not. Those > things that are changing or transient can not be part of the real me. > The real/true Self must be always true and never change. > > 2. You can't be what you see. i.e. You are prior to what you see. > > 3. Names and forms make up this manifest. The " I " thought or concept > is prior to this manifest that appears after this " I " thought. Again, > the knowing-ness of being alive or feeling of presence i.e. the > Consciousness is prior to the " I " thought. At last, the true Self is > prior to this knowing-ness of being alive because it witnesses this > Consciouness. > > 4. Just like a dream, uncalled for but it appears spontaneously > without a reason, the knowing-ness of being alive appears > spontaneously as a phenomenon which it appears and disappears. > > 5. There is not supposed to be any problem only when the false > identification occurs that the Consciousness somehow involves itself > with the " I " thought and accordingly starts believing it has a body, > mind or something else in the manifest. This causes the trouble and > suffering. > > Now, reading " Seeds of Consciousness " , Page 194 - 195, there is the > following conversation: > > January 21, 1980 > > Maharaj: This consciousness is all-pervading when the touch of " I > Amness " is not present. All this manifestation is for you, because you > are. Since it had no support to say " I am this or that, " it caught hold > of the body and said " I am a male or a famale. " > > Questioner: So the only thing you have to do is to see that you are not > any of this? > M: To what extent are you going to say I am not this or that? > > Q: Once one has seen it one does not have to repeat it? > M: Once you understand that you are not the body then are you not > everything? ...... > > My questions is what you think of " Once you understand that you are not > the body then are you not everything? " Why? > > Cheers, > > Phil > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us@> wrote: > > > > Eventually, the `I' drops from the `I am', and > `am' > > stands alone. > > `Am' is the nectar, the unqualified awareness. Only > > That, the un-manifested, the unknowable is above. > > Consciousness is qualified awareness, the sense of I > > am. This is the three in one, the Advaita > > trinity, as it unfolds in manifestation. > > > > Below the trinity flows the stream of thought, which > > creates the persona. As long as the stream of thought > > remains unbroken, the person will be seem as real. > > > > Although, consciousness can't remain fixated in the Am > > state, the stream of thoughts once broken will never > > be constant again. The Am state luminosity will be > > there like sunlight on a partly cloudy day. > > > > I know this bit of conceptuality won't be aggreable > > to some. And that you'll chew holes in it. Go ahead > > it's offered for your chewing pleasure. ) > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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