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P: Well, hell! This is incredibly good! Do you really

understand what you wrote? I have never read

anything more clearly put. I could kiss your bald

head, if you'll allow me to rub it with some alcohol

gel. No, seriously, read that again, you nailed, buddy!

 

NNB

 

On Oct 8, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Greg Goode wrote:

 

> You said something like

>

> " I would like a one-way ticket out of this Jack-thing. "

>

> ===And I was saying that you can't leave Jack and have any physical

> or psychological components left over. If you departed from Jack,

> just what do you imagine taking with you? Surely not the enjoyment

> of no longer being Jack. That enjoyment would be a very Jack-like

> thing, and would only show that Jack had not been departed from.

>

> If you depart from Jack, you either take nothing, or something, or

> everything with you. Not to mention, where would you go???

>

> 1. If you take *nothing*, then how will you know that you have

> actually left? How will *you* have left? What about the " Jack "

> that was left behind? In a way, this is the situation with every

> other sentient being even now. They are in the situation of having

> left Jack, not being Jack, and yet not knowing it.

>

> 2. If you take some stuff, then which stuff? If only the good

> stuff, then this is just another way of saying you want life to show

> up better. But this is the case with sentient life in general

> anyway. The notion of metaphysics and identity needn't come into

> play in order to address this. But if you insist on sticking with a

> metaphysics approach in this metaphor of traveling, then the

> question still remains, Which Jack-stuff do you take along? If on

> the trip you take just the stuff that results in non-Jack after the

> trip, then what is it about those components that lacks the Jack

> identity? How do you know that you won't have smuggled Jack along

> with those components, resulting in a JAck that is still there after

> the trip?

>

> 3. If you take *everything* in your one-way trip, then how is that

> any different from Jack walking from the kitchen to the living

> room? Does it really satisfy the urge behind wanting that one-way

> ticket?

>

> For me, all this boils down to saying that the travelling metaphor,

> the ticket outta this ol' town, leads to contradictory and

> unrealistic expectations. As though you could be all the way

> outside of Jack and then have something to celebrate about. If

> there's celebration, then there are traces of Jack left. If there is

> no Jack left, then what's the point?

>

> I think a better way is to see how your true nature, what you really

> are even now, is not Jack. Even now. No traveling required, and

> all traveling possible. This is your now-freedom from Jack, as well

> as Jack's freedom to be or not to be, to have and change components

> at any moment. If Jack were really Jack, and if you were really

> Jack, this would be fixed, and no escape would be possible or

> necessary.....

>

 

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