Guest guest Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 P: Well, hell! This is incredibly good! Do you really understand what you wrote? I have never read anything more clearly put. I could kiss your bald head, if you'll allow me to rub it with some alcohol gel. No, seriously, read that again, you nailed, buddy! NNB On Oct 8, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Greg Goode wrote: > You said something like > > " I would like a one-way ticket out of this Jack-thing. " > > ===And I was saying that you can't leave Jack and have any physical > or psychological components left over. If you departed from Jack, > just what do you imagine taking with you? Surely not the enjoyment > of no longer being Jack. That enjoyment would be a very Jack-like > thing, and would only show that Jack had not been departed from. > > If you depart from Jack, you either take nothing, or something, or > everything with you. Not to mention, where would you go??? > > 1. If you take *nothing*, then how will you know that you have > actually left? How will *you* have left? What about the " Jack " > that was left behind? In a way, this is the situation with every > other sentient being even now. They are in the situation of having > left Jack, not being Jack, and yet not knowing it. > > 2. If you take some stuff, then which stuff? If only the good > stuff, then this is just another way of saying you want life to show > up better. But this is the case with sentient life in general > anyway. The notion of metaphysics and identity needn't come into > play in order to address this. But if you insist on sticking with a > metaphysics approach in this metaphor of traveling, then the > question still remains, Which Jack-stuff do you take along? If on > the trip you take just the stuff that results in non-Jack after the > trip, then what is it about those components that lacks the Jack > identity? How do you know that you won't have smuggled Jack along > with those components, resulting in a JAck that is still there after > the trip? > > 3. If you take *everything* in your one-way trip, then how is that > any different from Jack walking from the kitchen to the living > room? Does it really satisfy the urge behind wanting that one-way > ticket? > > For me, all this boils down to saying that the travelling metaphor, > the ticket outta this ol' town, leads to contradictory and > unrealistic expectations. As though you could be all the way > outside of Jack and then have something to celebrate about. If > there's celebration, then there are traces of Jack left. If there is > no Jack left, then what's the point? > > I think a better way is to see how your true nature, what you really > are even now, is not Jack. Even now. No traveling required, and > all traveling possible. This is your now-freedom from Jack, as well > as Jack's freedom to be or not to be, to have and change components > at any moment. If Jack were really Jack, and if you were really > Jack, this would be fixed, and no escape would be possible or > necessary..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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