Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 What is a fact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > What is a fact? > A 'fact' is a conceptual triangulation of relativity. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > What is a fact? > > A 'fact' is a conceptual triangulation of relativity. > > > toombaru > ;-) I resemble that remark!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 All supposed/alleged " facts " are simply, merely, only, and entirely predicated on an " assumption or presumption " (which almost always is, unconscious, unexamined, and unquestioned, hence it's pernicious aberrational and delusional effect) for which there is no " proof " possible simply because that which would " serve as the standard of proof " itself cannot be proven to be true. Consequently, eve this, as well as the previous statement, is based on a presumption, I assume! :-) Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 > > A 'fact' is a conceptual triangulation of relativity. > > > toombaru > That sounds intelligent. Everything happening is conceptual so the phrase could be streamlined to " a triangulation of relativity " . Triangulation is - if I remember from when I was in the boy scouts - when you two or more bearings and draw them on the map and see where they intersect. This gives you a point, or, if three lines of intersection are used - a small triangle. Now for the relatibity bit. All relativity is really is a there is no absolute - one thing is measured from another. So I suppose what you are saying is that a fact is relative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > > > A 'fact' is a conceptual triangulation of relativity. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > That sounds intelligent. Everything happening is conceptual so the > phrase could be streamlined to " a triangulation of relativity " . > > Triangulation is - if I remember from when I was in the boy scouts - > when you two or more bearings and draw them on the map and see where > they intersect. This gives you a point, or, if three lines of > intersection are used - a small triangle. > > Now for the relatibity bit. All relativity is really is a there is no > absolute - one thing is measured from another. > > So I suppose what you are saying is that a fact is relative? > There are no isolated 'facts'. A 'fact' is an attempt.....by mind.... to freeze a conceptual relationship. 'Facts' are descriptions of relationship between objects imaginarily separated. Can you think of any fact that is not relative? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 > > There are no isolated 'facts'. > > A 'fact' is an attempt.....by mind.... to freeze a conceptual > relationship. > > 'Facts' are descriptions of relationship between objects imaginarily > separated. > > Can you think of any fact that is not relative? > > > > toombaru > yes - I would say that presence-awareness is not relative. Well, nis said it was absolute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > All supposed/alleged " facts " are simply, merely, only, and entirely predicated on an " assumption or presumption " (which almost always is, unconscious, unexamined, and unquestioned, hence it's pernicious aberrational and delusional effect) for which there is no " proof " possible simply because that which would " serve as the standard of proof " itself cannot be proven to be true. Consequently, eve this, as well as the previous statement, is based on a presumption, I assume! :- ) > > Michael > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > > > > There are no isolated 'facts'. > > > > A 'fact' is an attempt.....by mind.... to freeze a conceptual > > relationship. > > > > 'Facts' are descriptions of relationship between objects imaginarily > > separated. > > > > Can you think of any fact that is not relative? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > yes - I would say that presence-awareness is not relative. Well, nis > said it was absolute. > If it has a name..........it is relative. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > There are no isolated 'facts'. > > > > > > A 'fact' is an attempt.....by mind.... to freeze a conceptual > > > relationship. > > > > > > 'Facts' are descriptions of relationship between objects imaginarily > > > separated. > > > > > > Can you think of any fact that is not relative? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > yes - I would say that presence-awareness is not relative. Well, nis > > said it was absolute. > > > > > > > If it has a name..........it is relative. > > > toombaru > So even the absolute is relative then...:-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jasondedonno " <jasondedonno@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There are no isolated 'facts'. > > > > > > > > A 'fact' is an attempt.....by mind.... to freeze a conceptual > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > > 'Facts' are descriptions of relationship between objects > imaginarily > > > > separated. > > > > > > > > Can you think of any fact that is not relative? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > yes - I would say that presence-awareness is not relative. Well, > nis > > > said it was absolute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it has a name..........it is relative. > > > > > > toombaru > > > So even the absolute is relative then...:-)) > The Absolute is the polar opposite on the limited. One cannot exist without the other. Ultimately..........neither exist. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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