Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. Why the hell is that ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > Why the hell is that ? > > Werner such " enlightened " beings like Niz attract indeed all kind of " unenlightened " beings.... some slowly discover themSelf .... some seem to be attracted like flies to light....and can't resist and persist in fablulous ignorance.... of never ending dreams....about " enlightenment " .... and risc to wake up to death....one day.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > Why the hell is that ? > > Werner > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > toombaru > Wow, Toomb, what an image ! I bow. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are > such > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss > and > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image ! > > I bow. > > Werner .....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " .... no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the Self... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > toombaru yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course... what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your personal help for people in need? some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help somebody for real Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who > are > > > such > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > > Bliss > > > and > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image ! > > > > > > I bow. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " .... > > > > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the > Self... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Isn't it a mystery, Marc ? > > You just have to press that button on your belly and your hands start > typing replies on your pc. > > Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are > such > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss > and > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course... > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your > personal help for people in need? > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help somebody > for real > > > Marc > Sooner or later, whichever comes first, comes first and whichever comes later, comes later. ....just thinking on some things of consequence... Love, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are > > such > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > insights ? > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > Bliss > > and > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image ! > > > > I bow. > > > > Werner > > > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " .... > > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the Self... > > Marc > > > People who believe that can 'feel the Self' are delusional. They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel it.....and well...........that ain't happenen. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are > such > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss > and > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course... > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your > personal help for people in need? > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help somebody > for real > > > Marc > " God made them.........let God take care of them " Ramana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are > > > such > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > > Bliss > > > and > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image ! > > > > > > I bow. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " .... > > > > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the Self... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > People who believe that can 'feel the Self' are delusional. > > They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel > it.....and well...........that ain't happenen. > > > > toombaru you let talk only your mind..... you have, seem so, no idea what Self-Realisation is about.... therefore your words are only taken seriously....by other Mind Freaks.... ..... " who " also are " used " ....by such a wonderful mysterious energie.... wish to continue with your delusions Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are > > such > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss > > and > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course... > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your > > personal help for people in need? > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help somebody > > for real > > > > > > Marc > > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them " > > > Ramana yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also no idea about who " God " could be.... very nice... poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who > are > > > such > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > Bliss > > > and > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course... > > > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your > > > personal help for people in need? > > > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help > somebody > > > for real > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them " > > > > > > Ramana > > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also no > idea about who " God " could be.... > > very nice... > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage.... > > Marc Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for your ignorance? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who > are > > > > such > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > > > Bliss > > > > and > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness > and > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image ! > > > > > > > > I bow. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " .... > > > > > > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the > Self... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > People who believe that they can 'feel the Self' are delusional. > > > > They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel > > it.....and well...........that ain't happenen. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > you let talk only your mind..... > you have, seem so, no idea what Self-Realisation is about.... No one has any idea what 'self-realization' is.........because it exists only as an idea.......held by an imaginary entity. toombaru > > therefore your words are only taken seriously....by other Mind > Freaks.... > > .... " who " also are " used " ....by such a wonderful mysterious > energie.... > > wish to continue with your delusions > > > Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who > > are > > > > such > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > > Bliss > > > > and > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness > and > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course... > > > > > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your > > > > personal help for people in need? > > > > > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help > > somebody > > > > for real > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them " > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also no > > idea about who " God " could be.... > > > > very nice... > > > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage.... > > > > Marc > > > Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for your > ignorance? > > > > > > As much as any charcter in a movie does. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who > > are > > > > > such > > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > > > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > > > > Bliss > > > > > and > > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness > > and > > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image ! > > > > > > > > > > I bow. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " .... > > > > > > > > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the > > Self... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People who believe that they can 'feel the Self' are delusional. > > > > > > They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel > > > it.....and well...........that ain't happenen. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > you let talk only your mind..... > > you have, seem so, no idea what Self-Realisation is about.... > > > > No one has any idea what 'self-realization' is.........because it > exists only as an idea.......held by an imaginary entity. when this " imaginary entity " ....breathe and live on this (imaginary) planet.....like imaginary others too.... then it need " self-realisation " to stay being real Self.... real Self....which has nothing realy in common with all this nice moving forms.... self-realisation, i think is necessary therefore to " see " everything what it realy Is.....without being trapped in the identification of an " imaginary entity living in an imaginary fabulous world.... " except maybe for people who are too much fascinated by ET or Angels....or 4th dimension...5th dimension.....and other nice fantasies there are even so called " lightworkers " ....who follow special missions (impossible)...... but it's funny all this world related trash......isn't it? Marc > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > therefore your words are only taken seriously....by other Mind > > Freaks.... > > > > .... " who " also are " used " ....by such a wonderful mysterious > > energie.... > > > > wish to continue with your delusions > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who > > > are > > > > > such > > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and > > > Bliss > > > > > and > > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness > > and > > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course... > > > > > > > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your > > > > > personal help for people in need? > > > > > > > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help > > > somebody > > > > > for real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also no > > > idea about who " God " could be.... > > > > > > very nice... > > > > > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for your > > ignorance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > As much as any charcter in a movie does. > > > toombaru you live in your own movie toombaru.... step out of it.....then maybe it will be possible that people could follow your imaginary entity Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs > who > > > > are > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep > > > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace > and > > > > Bliss > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal > consciousness > > > and > > > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, > pathos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to > Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of > course... > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is > your > > > > > > personal help for people in need? > > > > > > > > > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to > help > > > > somebody > > > > > > for real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also > no > > > > idea about who " God " could be.... > > > > > > > > very nice... > > > > > > > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for your > > > ignorance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As much as any charcter in a movie does. > > > > > > toombaru > > > you live in your own movie toombaru.... > > step out of it.....then maybe it will be possible that people could > follow your imaginary entity > > Marc > > And you live in your movie, Marc, or more precise: You are that movie. Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ... Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which can " do " , like stepping in and out of its movie ? Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision, free choice ? Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous > megalomaniacs > > who > > > > > are > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible > deep > > > > > insights ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and > Peace > > and > > > > > Bliss > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal > > consciousness > > > > and > > > > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, > > pathos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to > > Arunachala. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of > > course... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is > > your > > > > > > > personal help for people in need? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to > > help > > > > > somebody > > > > > > > for real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so > also > > no > > > > > idea about who " God " could be.... > > > > > > > > > > very nice... > > > > > > > > > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for > your > > > > ignorance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As much as any charcter in a movie does. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > you live in your own movie toombaru.... > > > > step out of it.....then maybe it will be possible that people could > > follow your imaginary entity > > > > Marc > > > > > And you live in your movie, Marc, > or more precise: You are that movie. > > Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ... > > Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which can " do " , > like stepping in and out of its movie ? > > Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a > separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision, > free choice ? > > Werner yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance... you don't believe so? (hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again) yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and know....about what is " free will " ..... if there is " free will or not " free choice...or not... this witness has nothing to choose.... nothing to decide... not involved in any " will " .... and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless...... but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with our personal free will or not in order to stay being aware of this witness... and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough developped... Marc > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > And you live in your movie, Marc, > > or more precise: You are that movie. > > > > Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ... > > > > Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which > can " do " , > > like stepping in and out of its movie ? > > > > Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a > > separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision, > > free choice ? > > > > Werner > > > yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance... > you don't believe so? > Who decides or sees to be ignorant or not ? Stop thinking for five minutes and you no longer will know anything about 'ignorance'. Ignorance is just one of those many slogans and ideas your head is cramped full with. It is just a thought, and idea. To overcome ignorance is a wide spread ambition but it remains an ambition. Who is the Stepper-out of ignorance ? It is ambition, isn't it ? Why not just accept ignorance ? Why not just be what you already are ? > (hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again) > > yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and know....about What lets you see is consciousness, and what lets you 'know' is thought and the past. The 'knower' is the past, without the past there is no 'knowing'. The 'witness' is just a construct made for children whose possibility to differentiate still isn't that developed. btw, Marc, I hope you have't forgotten to do your morning- and evening prayers ? For example like: " Dear Jesus, I wanna have fun, please send me some toys " . " Dear Ramana, please send me enightenment. I wanna impress my girl friend " . Werner > what is " free will " ..... > if there is " free will or not " > free choice...or not... > > this witness has nothing to choose.... > nothing to decide... > not involved in any " will " .... > > and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless...... > > but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with our > personal free will or not > > in order to stay being aware of this witness... > > and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough > developped... > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ? > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos. > > Why the hell is that ? > > Werner > Yes, for every single thing there is a purpose - - - everything in its time and place And a time and place for fathomless rage - - - where one might find brief invulnerability amidst unbearable vulnerability For however brief oh how brief a time No matter how hard one might cling to it No matter how often one might return to it Such is the nature of addiction No? How well I know! How well I know! How often I return How often I return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 a smile comes up here a fart overthere... Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > And you live in your movie, Marc, > > > or more precise: You are that movie. > > > > > > Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ... > > > > > > Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which > > can " do " , > > > like stepping in and out of its movie ? > > > > > > Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a > > > separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision, > > > free choice ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance... > > you don't believe so? > > > > > Who decides or sees to be ignorant or not ? > > Stop thinking for five minutes and you no longer will know anything > about 'ignorance'. Ignorance is just one of those many slogans and > ideas your head is cramped full with. It is just a thought, and idea. > > To overcome ignorance is a wide spread ambition but it remains an > ambition. > > Who is the Stepper-out of ignorance ? It is ambition, isn't it ? > > Why not just accept ignorance ? Why not just be what you already are ? > > > > (hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again) > > > > yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and know....about > > > What lets you see is consciousness, and what lets you 'know' is > thought and the past. The 'knower' is the past, without the past > there is no 'knowing'. > > The 'witness' is just a construct made for children whose possibility > to differentiate still isn't that developed. > > btw, Marc, I hope you have't forgotten to do your morning- and > evening prayers ? For example like: > > " Dear Jesus, I wanna have fun, please send me some toys " . > > " Dear Ramana, please send me enightenment. I wanna impress my girl > friend " . > > Werner > > > > what is " free will " ..... > > if there is " free will or not " > > free choice...or not... > > > > this witness has nothing to choose.... > > nothing to decide... > > not involved in any " will " .... > > > > and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless...... > > > > but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with > our > > personal free will or not > > > > in order to stay being aware of this witness... > > > > and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough > > developped... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > And you live in your movie, Marc, > > > or more precise: You are that movie. > > > > > > Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ... > > > > > > Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which > > can " do " , > > > like stepping in and out of its movie ? > > > > > > Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a > > > separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision, > > > free choice ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance... > > you don't believe so? > > > > > Who decides or sees to be ignorant or not ? your heart will know...and tell you.....it's endless simple.....if you could listen to your heart..... > > Stop thinking for five minutes and you no longer will know anything > about 'ignorance'. Ignorance is just one of those many slogans and > ideas your head is cramped full with. It is just a thought, and idea. ....thats what you think....yes > > To overcome ignorance is a wide spread ambition but it remains an > ambition. .....if you think so.....ok....go on.... > > Who is the Stepper-out of ignorance ? It is ambition, isn't it ? " ambition " .....? i would say it's all there Is to do....there is nothing else realy no choice > > Why not just accept ignorance ? Why not just be what you already are ? Werner....you are who you choose to be.....thats your problem.... if you want to choose ignorance....ok.....it's your business > > > > (hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again) > > > > yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and know....about > > > What lets you see is consciousness, and what lets you 'know' is > thought and the past. The 'knower' is the past, without the past > there is no 'knowing'. the knower is not only the past....but also the present and the future..... if you don't know anything else but this your imaginary entity.....thats of eternal ignorance kind of.....lol > > The 'witness' is just a construct made for children whose possibility > to differentiate still isn't that developed. Werner Werner Werner.....do you only have " conflicts " in mind? > > btw, Marc, I hope you have't forgotten to do your morning- and > evening prayers ? For example like: > > " Dear Jesus, I wanna have fun, please send me some toys " . > > " Dear Ramana, please send me enightenment. I wanna impress my girl > friend " . idiot! > > Werner > > > > what is " free will " ..... > > if there is " free will or not " > > free choice...or not... > > > > this witness has nothing to choose.... > > nothing to decide... > > not involved in any " will " .... > > > > and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless...... > > > > but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with > our > > personal free will or not > > > > in order to stay being aware of this witness... > > > > and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough > > developped... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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