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Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such

terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ?

 

Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and

One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

 

Why the hell is that ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such

> terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ?

>

> Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and

> One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

>

> Why the hell is that ?

>

> Werner

 

 

such " enlightened " beings like Niz attract indeed all kind

of " unenlightened " beings....

 

some slowly discover themSelf ....

 

some seem to be attracted like flies to light....and can't resist and

persist in fablulous ignorance....

of never ending dreams....about " enlightenment " ....

and risc to wake up to death....one day....

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such

> terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ?

>

> Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and

> One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

>

> Why the hell is that ?

>

> Werner

>

 

 

 

 

People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are

such

> > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ?

> >

> > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss

and

> > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> >

> > Why the hell is that ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

>

>

> People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

Wow, Toomb, what an image !

 

I bow.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are

> such

> > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

insights ?

> > >

> > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

Bliss

> and

> > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > >

> > > Why the hell is that ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> Wow, Toomb, what an image !

>

> I bow.

>

> Werner

 

 

.....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " ....:)

 

no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the Self...

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are

such

> > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ?

> >

> > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss

and

> > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> >

> > Why the hell is that ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

>

>

> People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course...

 

what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your

personal help for people in need?

 

some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help somebody

for real

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who

> are

> > > such

> > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> > insights ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

> > Bliss

> > > and

> > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness

and

> > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > > Wow, Toomb, what an image !

> > >

> > > I bow.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " ....:)

> >

> > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the

> Self...

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> >

>

>

> Isn't it a mystery, Marc ?

>

> You just have to press that button on your belly and your hands

start

> typing replies on your pc.

>

> Werner

 

 

:)

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are

> such

> > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

insights ?

> > >

> > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

Bliss

> and

> > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > >

> > > Why the hell is that ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

> yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course...

>

> what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your

> personal help for people in need?

>

> some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help

somebody

> for real

>

>

> Marc

>

 

 

Sooner or later, whichever comes first, comes first and whichever

comes later, comes later.

 

....just thinking on some things of consequence...

 

Love,

Anna

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are

> > such

> > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> insights ?

> > > >

> > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

> Bliss

> > and

> > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > > >

> > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> > Wow, Toomb, what an image !

> >

> > I bow.

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " ....:)

>

> no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the Self...

>

> Marc

> >

>

 

 

People who believe that can 'feel the Self' are delusional.

 

They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel

it.....and well...........that ain't happenen.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are

> such

> > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ?

> > >

> > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss

> and

> > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > >

> > > Why the hell is that ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

> yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course...

>

> what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your

> personal help for people in need?

>

> some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help somebody

> for real

>

>

> Marc

>

 

 

" God made them.........let God take care of them "

 

 

Ramana

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who

are

> > > such

> > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> > insights ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

> > Bliss

> > > and

> > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness

and

> > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > > Wow, Toomb, what an image !

> > >

> > > I bow.

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " ....:)

> >

> > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the

Self...

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> >

>

>

> People who believe that can 'feel the Self' are delusional.

>

> They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel

> it.....and well...........that ain't happenen.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

you let talk only your mind.....

you have, seem so, no idea what Self-Realisation is about....

 

therefore your words are only taken seriously....by other Mind

Freaks....

 

..... " who " also are " used " ....by such a wonderful mysterious

energie....:)

 

wish to continue with your delusions

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who

are

> > such

> > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

insights ?

> > > >

> > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

Bliss

> > and

> > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > > >

> > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course...

> >

> > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your

> > personal help for people in need?

> >

> > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help

somebody

> > for real

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

> " God made them.........let God take care of them "

>

>

> Ramana

 

 

yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also no

idea about who " God " could be....

 

very nice...

 

poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage....:)

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who

> are

> > > such

> > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> insights ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

> Bliss

> > > and

> > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness

and

> > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course...

> > >

> > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your

> > > personal help for people in need?

> > >

> > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help

> somebody

> > > for real

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> >

> > " God made them.........let God take care of them "

> >

> >

> > Ramana

>

>

> yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also no

> idea about who " God " could be....

>

> very nice...

>

> poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage....:)

>

> Marc

 

 

Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for your

ignorance?

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who

> are

> > > > such

> > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> > > insights ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

> > > Bliss

> > > > and

> > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness

> and

> > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image !

> > > >

> > > > I bow.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " ....:)

> > >

> > > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the

> Self...

> > >

> > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > People who believe that they can 'feel the Self' are delusional.

> >

> > They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel

> > it.....and well...........that ain't happenen.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

> you let talk only your mind.....

> you have, seem so, no idea what Self-Realisation is about....

 

 

 

No one has any idea what 'self-realization' is.........because it

exists only as an idea.......held by an imaginary entity.

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

>

> therefore your words are only taken seriously....by other Mind

> Freaks....

>

> .... " who " also are " used " ....by such a wonderful mysterious

> energie....:)

>

> wish to continue with your delusions

>

>

> Marc

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who

> > are

> > > > such

> > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> > insights ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and

> > Bliss

> > > > and

> > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness

> and

> > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to Arunachala.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of course...

> > > >

> > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is your

> > > > personal help for people in need?

> > > >

> > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to help

> > somebody

> > > > for real

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " God made them.........let God take care of them "

> > >

> > >

> > > Ramana

> >

> >

> > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also no

> > idea about who " God " could be....

> >

> > very nice...

> >

> > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage....:)

> >

> > Marc

>

>

> Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for your

> ignorance?

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

As much as any charcter in a movie does.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs

who

> > are

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> > > > insights ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace

and

> > > > Bliss

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal

consciousness

> > and

> > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos,

pathos.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to

Arunachala.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow, Toomb, what an image !

> > > > >

> > > > > I bow.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....you behave yourself like a " starving baby " ....:)

> > > >

> > > > no mystery why you are in " conflict " with people who feel the

> > Self...

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > People who believe that they can 'feel the Self' are delusional.

> > >

> > > They would have to be separate from the 'Self' in order to feel

> > > it.....and well...........that ain't happenen.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> > you let talk only your mind.....

> > you have, seem so, no idea what Self-Realisation is about....

>

>

>

> No one has any idea what 'self-realization' is.........because it

> exists only as an idea.......held by an imaginary entity.

 

 

when this " imaginary entity " ....breathe and live on this (imaginary)

planet.....like imaginary others too....

 

then it need " self-realisation " to stay being real Self....

 

real Self....which has nothing realy in common with all this nice

moving forms....

 

self-realisation, i think is necessary therefore to " see " everything

what it realy Is.....without being trapped in the identification of

an " imaginary entity living in an imaginary fabulous world.... "

 

except maybe for people who are too much fascinated by ET or

Angels....or 4th dimension...5th dimension.....and other nice

fantasies

 

there are even so called " lightworkers " ....who follow special

missions (impossible)......:)

 

but it's funny all this world related trash......isn't it?

 

 

Marc

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > therefore your words are only taken seriously....by other Mind

> > Freaks....

> >

> > .... " who " also are " used " ....by such a wonderful mysterious

> > energie....:)

> >

> > wish to continue with your delusions

> >

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> >

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>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs

who

> > > are

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep

> > > insights ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace

and

> > > Bliss

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal

consciousness

> > and

> > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos,

pathos.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to

Arunachala.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of

course...

> > > > >

> > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is

your

> > > > > personal help for people in need?

> > > > >

> > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to

help

> > > somebody

> > > > > for real

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ramana

> > >

> > >

> > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so also

no

> > > idea about who " God " could be....

> > >

> > > very nice...

> > >

> > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage....:)

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for your

> > ignorance?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> As much as any charcter in a movie does.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

you live in your own movie toombaru....

 

step out of it.....then maybe it will be possible that people could

follow your imaginary entity

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> <lastrain@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> <wwoehr@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous

megalomaniacs

> who

> > > > are

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible

deep

> > > > insights ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and

Peace

> and

> > > > Bliss

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal

> consciousness

> > > and

> > > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos,

> pathos.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to

> Arunachala.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of

> course...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what is

> your

> > > > > > personal help for people in need?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to

> help

> > > > somebody

> > > > > > for real

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramana

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so

also

> no

> > > > idea about who " God " could be....

> > > >

> > > > very nice...

> > > >

> > > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage....:)

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for

your

> > > ignorance?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > As much as any charcter in a movie does.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> you live in your own movie toombaru....

>

> step out of it.....then maybe it will be possible that people could

> follow your imaginary entity

>

> Marc

> >

 

And you live in your movie, Marc,

or more precise: You are that movie.

 

Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ...

 

Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which can " do " ,

like stepping in and out of its movie ?

 

Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a

separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision,

free choice ?

 

Werner

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> <lastrain@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

> > <lastrain@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> > <wwoehr@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous

> megalomaniacs

> > who

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible

> deep

> > > > > insights ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and

> Peace

> > and

> > > > > Bliss

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal

> > consciousness

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos,

> > pathos.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why the hell is that ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > People walk past starving babies on their way to

> > Arunachala.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yes....it's necessary to save the world first....of

> > course...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what are you doing for starving babies....i mean, what

is

> > your

> > > > > > > personal help for people in need?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some people prefer to create endless bubbles instead to

> > help

> > > > > somebody

> > > > > > > for real

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " God made them.........let God take care of them "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramana

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > yes, exactly......no idea about self-realisation....and so

> also

> > no

> > > > > idea about who " God " could be....

> > > > >

> > > > > very nice...

> > > > >

> > > > > poor spirits who need you read all of your garbage....:)

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: do you realy believe that you have no responsibility for

> your

> > > > ignorance?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As much as any charcter in a movie does.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > you live in your own movie toombaru....

> >

> > step out of it.....then maybe it will be possible that people

could

> > follow your imaginary entity

> >

> > Marc

> > >

>

> And you live in your movie, Marc,

> or more precise: You are that movie.

>

> Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ...

>

> Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which

can " do " ,

> like stepping in and out of its movie ?

>

> Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a

> separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision,

> free choice ?

>

> Werner

 

 

yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance...

you don't believe so?

 

(hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again)

 

yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and know....about

what is " free will " .....

if there is " free will or not "

free choice...or not...

 

this witness has nothing to choose....

nothing to decide...

not involved in any " will " ....

 

and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless......

 

but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with our

personal free will or not

 

in order to stay being aware of this witness...

 

and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough

developped...

 

Marc

>

>

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > And you live in your movie, Marc,

> > or more precise: You are that movie.

> >

> > Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ...

> >

> > Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which

> can " do " ,

> > like stepping in and out of its movie ?

> >

> > Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there a

> > separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free decision,

> > free choice ?

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance...

> you don't believe so?

>

 

 

Who decides or sees to be ignorant or not ?

 

Stop thinking for five minutes and you no longer will know anything

about 'ignorance'. Ignorance is just one of those many slogans and

ideas your head is cramped full with. It is just a thought, and idea.

 

To overcome ignorance is a wide spread ambition but it remains an

ambition.

 

Who is the Stepper-out of ignorance ? It is ambition, isn't it ?

 

Why not just accept ignorance ? Why not just be what you already are ?

 

 

> (hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again)

>

> yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and know....about

 

 

What lets you see is consciousness, and what lets you 'know' is

thought and the past. The 'knower' is the past, without the past

there is no 'knowing'.

 

The 'witness' is just a construct made for children whose possibility

to differentiate still isn't that developed.

 

btw, Marc, I hope you have't forgotten to do your morning- and

evening prayers ? For example like:

 

" Dear Jesus, I wanna have fun, please send me some toys " .

 

" Dear Ramana, please send me enightenment. I wanna impress my girl

friend " .

 

Werner

 

 

> what is " free will " .....

> if there is " free will or not "

> free choice...or not...

>

> this witness has nothing to choose....

> nothing to decide...

> not involved in any " will " ....

>

> and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless......

>

> but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with

our

> personal free will or not

>

> in order to stay being aware of this witness...

>

> and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough

> developped...

>

> Marc

> >

> >

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Why is that Niz attracts so many pompous megalomaniacs who are such

> terrible deep enlightened and have such incredible deep insights ?

>

> Arround Niz there is so much babbling of Love and Peace and Bliss and

> One-ness, of the eternal Now , of universal consciousness and

> unfathomable awareness - argh ... pathos, pathos, pathos.

>

> Why the hell is that ?

>

> Werner

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, for every single thing

 

there is a purpose - - -

 

 

 

everything in its time

 

and place

 

 

 

 

And a time and place

 

for fathomless rage - - -

 

 

 

where one might find brief invulnerability

 

amidst unbearable vulnerability

 

 

 

For however brief

 

oh how brief

 

a time

 

 

 

No matter how hard

 

one might cling

 

to it

 

 

 

 

No matter how often

 

one might return

 

to it

 

 

 

 

 

Such is the nature

 

 

of addiction

 

 

 

 

No?

 

 

 

 

How well I know!

 

 

 

 

 

 

How well I know!

 

 

 

 

 

How often I return

 

 

 

 

 

How often I return

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a smile comes up here

a fart overthere...

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > And you live in your movie, Marc,

> > > or more precise: You are that movie.

> > >

> > > Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ...

> > >

> > > Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which

> > can " do " ,

> > > like stepping in and out of its movie ?

> > >

> > > Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there

a

> > > separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free

decision,

> > > free choice ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance...

> > you don't believe so?

> >

>

>

> Who decides or sees to be ignorant or not ?

>

> Stop thinking for five minutes and you no longer will know anything

> about 'ignorance'. Ignorance is just one of those many slogans and

> ideas your head is cramped full with. It is just a thought, and

idea.

>

> To overcome ignorance is a wide spread ambition but it remains an

> ambition.

>

> Who is the Stepper-out of ignorance ? It is ambition, isn't it ?

>

> Why not just accept ignorance ? Why not just be what you already

are ?

>

>

> > (hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again)

> >

> > yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and

know....about

>

>

> What lets you see is consciousness, and what lets you 'know' is

> thought and the past. The 'knower' is the past, without the past

> there is no 'knowing'.

>

> The 'witness' is just a construct made for children whose

possibility

> to differentiate still isn't that developed.

>

> btw, Marc, I hope you have't forgotten to do your morning- and

> evening prayers ? For example like:

>

> " Dear Jesus, I wanna have fun, please send me some toys " .

>

> " Dear Ramana, please send me enightenment. I wanna impress my girl

> friend " .

>

> Werner

>

>

> > what is " free will " .....

> > if there is " free will or not "

> > free choice...or not...

> >

> > this witness has nothing to choose....

> > nothing to decide...

> > not involved in any " will " ....

> >

> > and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless......

> >

> > but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with

> our

> > personal free will or not

> >

> > in order to stay being aware of this witness...

> >

> > and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough

> > developped...

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > And you live in your movie, Marc,

> > > or more precise: You are that movie.

> > >

> > > Step out of your movie ! Hahaha ...

> > >

> > > Who is the one who could step out, is there an entity which

> > can " do " ,

> > > like stepping in and out of its movie ?

> > >

> > > Is that stepping-out-entity different from the movie ? Is there

a

> > > separate entity, a 'witness' which owns free will, free

decision,

> > > free choice ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > yes....sure......it's possible to step out of ignorance...

> > you don't believe so?

> >

>

>

> Who decides or sees to be ignorant or not ?

 

 

your heart will know...and tell you.....it's endless simple.....if

you could listen to your heart.....

 

>

> Stop thinking for five minutes and you no longer will know anything

> about 'ignorance'. Ignorance is just one of those many slogans and

> ideas your head is cramped full with. It is just a thought, and

idea.

 

....thats what you think....yes

>

> To overcome ignorance is a wide spread ambition but it remains an

> ambition.

 

.....if you think so.....ok....go on....:)

>

> Who is the Stepper-out of ignorance ? It is ambition, isn't it ?

 

" ambition " .....?

i would say it's all there Is to do....there is nothing else realy

no choice

>

> Why not just accept ignorance ? Why not just be what you already

are ?

 

Werner....you are who you choose to be.....thats your problem....

if you want to choose ignorance....ok.....it's your business

>

>

> > (hope you do....if not, let's play ping-pong game....again)

> >

> > yes....there is kind of " witness " which let us see and

know....about

>

>

> What lets you see is consciousness, and what lets you 'know' is

> thought and the past. The 'knower' is the past, without the past

> there is no 'knowing'.

 

the knower is not only the past....but also the present and the

future.....

if you don't know anything else but this your imaginary

entity.....thats of eternal ignorance kind of.....lol

>

> The 'witness' is just a construct made for children whose

possibility

> to differentiate still isn't that developed.

 

Werner Werner Werner.....do you only have " conflicts " in mind?

>

> btw, Marc, I hope you have't forgotten to do your morning- and

> evening prayers ? For example like:

>

> " Dear Jesus, I wanna have fun, please send me some toys " .

>

> " Dear Ramana, please send me enightenment. I wanna impress my girl

> friend " .

 

idiot!

:)

>

> Werner

>

>

> > what is " free will " .....

> > if there is " free will or not "

> > free choice...or not...

> >

> > this witness has nothing to choose....

> > nothing to decide...

> > not involved in any " will " ....

> >

> > and don't need to.....it's an infinite emptyness....timeless......

> >

> > but it give light on what exactly to choose....to decide....with

> our

> > personal free will or not

> >

> > in order to stay being aware of this witness...

> >

> > and also melt with this witness.....when awareness is enough

> > developped...

> >

> > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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